For the second time in the past year or two the Supreme Court

[theking]

...has declared the right to bear arms applies to the entire country...but this will probably not stop some city from trying to ban this right yet once again.

[Rochard]

I thought it was the right to arm bears?

[dyna mo]

i wasn't aware there was a 2nd amendment issue up before the sc, do you have a link to this, i looked and couldn't find any.

[theking]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i wasn't aware there was a 2nd amendment issue up before the sc, do you have a link to this, i looked and couldn't find any.

No link...just now heard it on the news. It was the city of Chicago and the ruling last time was against Washington D.C. This time around the Supreme Court expanded their ruling to include every State and every City in every State...so it should be settled once and for all...but I suspect that some City will attempt a ban yet again.

BTW...it was a five/four ruling.

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i wasn't aware there was a 2nd amendment issue up before the sc, do you have a link to this, i looked and couldn't find any.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_suprem...N0aWNlc2V4dGU-

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Wizzo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_suprem...N0aWNlc2V4dGU-

thx wiz! reading now.

[dyna mo]

yay, more guns in chicago!

j/k!

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I thought it was the right to arm bears?

nope, it's bare arms

[Tom_PM]

Regulations, even extremely strict ones, are not contrary to the second amendment. Dont need a court to figure that out.

[Ethersync]

Originally Posted by theking

...has declared the right to bear arms applies to the entire country...but this will probably not stop some city from trying to ban this right yet once again.

It will stop them. Lawsuits are already being filed in response to this ruling.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Gun rights extended by Supreme Court

...who wants to bet that the cities that banned guns will now see their crime rate drop now it's legal to own a firearm?

Yup. It's happened in every state that became a "right to carry" state.

Funny how allowing law abiding citizens to be armed slows down the criminals who already are, isn't it?

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[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Regulations, even extremely strict ones, are not contrary to the second amendment. Dont need a court to figure that out.

infringed:
1 : to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another

I know it seems pretty clear cut that regulations INFRINGE but it seems the SC lost their dictionary

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Yup. It's happened in every state that became a "right to carry" state.

Funny how allowing law abiding citizens to be armed slows down the criminals who already are, isn't it?

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this study states otherwise.

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/Black_and_nagin.pdf

[Tom_PM]

Yes but telling you that you cant bring your drink into the movie theater doesnt encroach on your right to drink your drink. You simply can't come in with it. Maybe in litigation it makes perfect sense.. to lawyers.. to litigate the hell out of it.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by theking

...has declared the right to bear arms applies to the entire country...but this will probably not stop some city from trying to ban this right yet once again.

So I can own a nuke now right? The nuke is arms. The surpeme court says I have a right to bear ARMS not guns, ARMS and nukes is ARMS.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Yes but telling you that you cant bring your drink into the movie theater doesnt encroach on your right to drink your drink. You simply can't come in with it. Maybe in litigation it makes perfect sense.. to lawyers.. to litigate the hell out of it.

Apples and oranges.

Well can a doctor refuse medical care? This is where this line of thinking loses me. Those who claim (I dont know if you do or not) that health care is a RIGHT and the government should GIVE it to people who can not afford it.

However, something we DO KNOW IS A RIGHT, owning a gun, the left says it is ok to regulate and make it hard for people to own one and out right ban the ownership.

With this line of thinking shouldnt the government be supplying handguns and other fire arms to low income people?

Or do poor people not have the right to protect themselves with a gun?

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

this study states otherwise.

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/Black_and_nagin.pdf

Yes, of course. You can find a study to support almost any view you want to take.

So?

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.


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[Quentin]

For those with the time and inclination to read the ruling itself, here's a link.

- Q.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Yup. It's happened in every state that became a "right to carry" state.

Funny how allowing law abiding citizens to be armed slows down the criminals who already are, isn't it?

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The days of the old west pretty much prove everyone arming themsleves is recipe for disaster.

Criminals having guns is bad enough. God forbid Im somewhere and not only the criminal has a gun but 3 or 4 dirty harry wannabbe that can't shoot the broadside of a barn are there too. Talk about a total clusterfuck. Also when the cops get there and there is all this gunfire WHO are the cops going to shoot? How are they suppose to tell the good guys form the bad ones? If only the bad guy had the gun it's be pretty easy for the snipers to know which head to blow off.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Yes, of course. You can find a study to support almost any view you want to take.

So?

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.


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it's simply food for thought, that being said, when i research this topic, it's overloaded with nra links, etc. so your logic can also be applied to your comment eh.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Yes, of course. You can find a study to support almost any view you want to take.

So?

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.


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and yet you said

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Yup. It's happened in every state that became a "right to carry" state.

Funny how allowing law abiding citizens to be armed slows down the criminals who already are, isn't it?

.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it's simply food for thought, that being said, when i research this topic, it's overloaded with nra links, etc. so your logic can also be applied to your comment eh.

absolutely true. :-)))

[dyna mo]

but if you had read the study i provided the link to, you would find it is filled with statistics.

[ThunderBalls]

Guns don't kill people, bullets do.

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by GatorB

The days of the old west pretty much prove everyone arming themsleves is recipe for disaster.

Criminals having guns is bad enough. God forbid Im somewhere and not only the criminal has a gun but 3 or 4 dirty harry wannabbe that can't shoot the broadside of a barn are there too. Talk about a total clusterfuck. Also when the cops get there and there is all this gunfire WHO are the cops going to shoot? How are they suppose to tell the good guys form the bad ones? If only the bad guy had the gun it's be pretty easy for the snipers to know which head to blow off.

Not to mention EVERY gun that criminals carry was once purchased legally.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Not to mention EVERY gun that criminals carry was once purchased legally.

Purchased legally by someone that can legally own. Stolen by a criminal, making them a criminal again. Criminal uses gun in a crime... they become another criminal!

I'm noticing a trend here. Criminal. Criminal. Criminal. Criminals do illegal activities? Shocking.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

but if you had read the study i provided the link to, you would find it is filled with statistics.

Yes, and so does the John Lott study that it purports to disprove. In fact the John Lott study was so extensive it was published as a book, "More Guns, Less Crime"



In any case... I was using a very old quote, by Mark Twain, Disraeli, or someone....

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Yes, and so does the John Lott study that it purports to disprove. In fact the John Lott study was so extensive it was published as a book, "More Guns, Less Crime"



In any case... I was using a very old quote, by Mark Twain, Disraeli, or someone....

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

i'm horrible with remembering quotes worth remembering! that's a good 1.

anyhoo, it's an interesting topic for me, i own several guns/firearms, even given away guns to employees as bonuses, etc. been a member of the nra since my pops joined me up when he gave me my 1st gun back when i was a kid. but i've come to the personal conclusion more guns is not the answer, in fact i've given all my guns, except for the shotgun, to my pops to hang on to them.

[The Demon]

Gotta love the people who think guns kill people, instead of stupid people.

[Vendzilla]

Gun laws are great for criminals, they don't follow them anyways

[Vendzilla]

[Vendzilla]

[dyna mo]

vendzilla = spacedog!

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

vendzilla = spacedog!

I don't even know who that is, but have seen his posts

I have to look at it this ways, I live right now in a country type of setting, my mom and my dad have CCW's. Crime here is low, maybe it's because we have so many citizens with CCW's? I don't know, but, I took the time to teach my daughter how to shoot every gun I own, I gave her two guns to start, a pump 22 Winchester and a M1 carbine. When she gets out of the service, I'm going to get her a good carry piece.

I remember her shooting the M1 carbine with a bayonet on it and a 30 round clip, looked pretty awesome, she wants my AR-15

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Gun laws are great for criminals, they don't follow them anyways

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LOVE that one!

[Ayla_SquareTurtle]

Gun control is one of the primary reasons I do not align myself with the "liberal" agenda, even though I do agree with them on some social issues.

I'm an open minded and progressive person who believes in freedom, and I'm willing to fight for that freedom and for my life with a gun if that is what I must do.

[marketsmart]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

this study states otherwise.

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/Black_and_nagin.pdf

that guy can't even afford his own domain and .99 a month hosting account...

but he has all these great facts & stats...

he is dismissed....






.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

that guy can't even afford his own domain and .99 a month hosting account...

but he has all these great facts & stats...

he is dismissed....






.

yawn. //

[dyna mo]

another counter-point to the rtc deters crime

http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Lott_v...n_B_and_N.html

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

another counter-point to the rtc deters crime

http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Lott_v...n_B_and_N.html

Whatever, here's another link
http://www.gunfacts.info/

[Relentless]

If a state or city or town wants to eliminate guns all they would need to do is add a $50,000 surcharge on all gun sales and a $50,000 per year local license fee per handgun.

Guns would still be legal and allowed which is all the bill of rights requires... they would just be very expensive to buy or own. IM FOR gun ownership, buy it's silly to think this ruling prevents localities from governing their ownership and use. They could also just as easily regulate the number of bullets and price per bullet, etc...

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Relentless

If a state or city or town wants to eliminate guns all they would need to do is add a $50,000 surcharge on all gun sales and a $50,000 per year local license fee per handgun.

Guns would still be legal and allowed which is all the bill of rights requires... they would just be very expensive to buy or own. IM FOR gun ownership, buy it's silly to think this ruling prevents localities from governing their ownership and use. They could also just as easily regulate the number of bullets and price per bullet, etc...

thats how they made Marijuana illegal, you had to get a stamp and they didn't give them out.
People can reload their bullets.

Simple, I'll put a target in the window with a bunch of bullets holes in it and a sign that says burglars wanted, and I'll have a safe house

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

I've read gunfacts.info a few times in the past and although I am a stanch 2nd amendment person the author cherry picked the statistics and completely left out others due to being PC. Like how Black Americans represent only 12.5% of the population but cause over 40% firearm deaths.

Or their reasoning on how other countries with lower firearm deaths like Japan. " Japan has 1% firearm deaths (100k) compared to the US has 3% but japan has 20% more suicides? ... That made me laugh.. WTF?

Most people that live in the country are pro gun, I have a very liberal friend that lives in the country and has guns.
I grew up with guns in the house and had respect for them, I raised my daughter around them, she was shooting them at age 8, a 22 Winchester, by the time she was 14 she was getting better scores than most men I know with an M1 carbine. She's a natural. It's just like anything else in life, if you are not raised around guns, you're either curious about them or don't like them, few people that know how to use one , don't have them