Chiacgo Passes staggering NEW gun laws - GoFuckYourself.com

Rochard · 07-01-2010, 08:29 PM

Chicago isn't about to let the recent Supreme Court decisions slow them down... Holy shit!

Mayor Daley lays out strict gun rules for Chicago

CHICAGO ? With the city's gun ban certain to be overturned, Mayor Richard Daley on Thursday introduced what city officials say is the strictest handgun ordinance in the United States.

The measure, which draws from ordinances around the country, would ban gun shops in Chicago and prohibit gun owners from stepping outside their homes, even onto their porches or garages, with a handgun.

Daley announced his ordinance at a park on the city's South Side three days after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Americans have a right to own a gun for self-defense anywhere they live. The City Council is expected to vote on it Friday.

"As long as I'm mayor, we will never give up or give in to gun violence that continues to threaten every part of our nation, including Chicago," said Daley, who was flanked by activists, city officials and the parents of a teenager whose son was shot and killed on a city bus while shielding a friend.

The ordinance, which Daley urged the City Council to pass, also would :

? Limit the number of handguns residents can register to one per month and prohibit residents from having more than one handgun in operating order at any given time.

? Require residents in homes with children to keep them in lock boxes or equipped with trigger locks.

? Require prospective gun owners to take a four-hour class and one-hour training at a gun range. They would have to leave the city for training because Chicago prohibits new gun ranges and limits the use of existing ranges to police officers. Those restrictions were similar to those in an ordinance passed in Washington, D.C., after the high court struck down its ban two years ago.

? Prohibit people from owning a gun if they were convicted of a violent crime, domestic violence or two or more convictions for driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs. Residents convicted of a gun offense would have to register with the police department.

? Calls for the police department to maintain a registry of every handgun owner in the city, with the names and addresses to be made available to police officers, firefighters and other emergency responders.

Those who already have handguns in the city ? which has been illegal since the city's ban was approved 28 years ago ? would have 90 days to register those weapons, according to the proposed ordinance.

Residents convicted of violating the city's ordinance can face a fine up to $5,000 and be locked up for as long as 90 days for a first offense and a fine of up to $10,000 and as long as six months behind bars for subsequent convictions.

"We've gone farther than anyone else ever has," said Corporation Counsel Mara Georges.

Still, the mayor, whose office is trying to craft an ordinance that will withstand legal challenges, had to back off some provisions he'd hoped to include, including requiring gun owners to insure their weapons and restricting each resident to one handgun.

Georges said it would be expensive for homeowners to include guns on their homeowners' and renters' insurance policies, so such a requirement could be seen as being discriminatory to the city's poorer residents. Limiting the number of handguns could be seen as discriminatory to people who owned weapons before the city's ban went into effect in 1982 or before they moved into the city.

"We can limit the place in which those handguns can be located," she said, before adding a not-so-veiled swipe at the court: "For instance, the Supreme court does not want them coming into the courthouse."

Still, Daley indicated that no matter what was included in the ordinance, he expects legal challenges.

"Everybody has a right to sue," he said.

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L-Pink · 07-01-2010, 08:36 PM

Of course this only affects those that obey the law.

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Barefootsies · 07-01-2010, 08:37 PM

Not a chance in hell of standing up once challenged. Especially in regards to property rights.

theking · 07-01-2010, 08:41 PM

I stated on the day the decision came down that the decision should decide the matter once and for all...but probably would not as some cities would just try again...and yes this will probably be struck down again but it will take time to wind its way through the courts before it gets back to the Supreme Court again. Also it was a five-four decision which is shaky.

JFK · 07-02-2010, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Of course this only affects those that obey the law.

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always does, it did in Canada

grumpy · 07-02-2010, 03:11 AM

gun issues are fucked up in the USA.

ottopottomouse · 07-02-2010, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Of course this only affects those that obey the law.

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They banned handguns in the UK based on one incident involving someone with a licensed gun that turned out to have been a known nutcase that should never have had it. Done fuck-all to reduce gun crime.

IllTestYourGirls · 07-02-2010, 05:09 AM

Gun ban was working so well! The weekend before the gun ban was lifted 52 people shot and 10 killed.... Yup gun ban seems to work great!

MaDalton · 07-02-2010, 05:46 AM

no guns here and significantly less crime - carry on shooting each at your own will if you insist on it

GatorB · 07-02-2010, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Of course this only affects those that obey the law.

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So using your logic rape should be legal since rapists clearly don't obey the anti-rape laws. I mean I obey the anti-rape law and it just sucks that rapist are the only that can rape. They should get rid of rape laws so law abiding citizens like me can rape too.

Sly · 07-02-2010, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

So using your logic rape should be legal since rapists clearly don't obey the anti-rape laws. I mean I obey the anti-rape law and it just sucks that rapist are the only that can rape. They should get rid of rape laws so law abiding citizens like me can rape too.

Rape is an action, there are no varying degrees. You can not simply own a rape.

A gun is an item, nothing more. What one does with that item is the crime.

Owning a penis is not a crime. Yet.

fatfoo · 07-02-2010, 06:51 AM

I think gun violence will decrease if people carry less guns.

CIVMatt · 07-02-2010, 06:55 AM

Florida! The home of meeting force with force law!

Paul Markham · 07-02-2010, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

no guns here and significantly less crime - carry on shooting each at your own will if you insist on it

Get out into the countryside in the autumn and see the number of people who own guns. Shooting is a big hobby here. The difference is the people who have the guns.

IllTestYourGirls · 07-02-2010, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Get out into the countryside in the autumn and see the number of people who own guns. Shooting is a big hobby here. The difference is the people who have the guns.

This is very true. It is the people who own them, Chicago is just full of criminals. I live in a small town that has more guns than people and basically have a zero crime rate.

BV · 07-02-2010, 07:33 AM

BV · 07-02-2010, 07:35 AM

BV · 07-02-2010, 07:39 AM

The United Kingdom banned guns in 1997. As one indicator of violence against women, between 1995 and 2006 the rate of rape in the UK increased 76.5%, while rape decreased 16.7% in “gun-toting” United States. British women are now raped twice as often as American women. It seems violent men are scared by women with guns.

sperbonzo · 07-02-2010, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BV

Ok... that is HILARIOUS!!!

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sperbonzo · 07-02-2010, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

no guns here and significantly less crime - carry on shooting each at your own will if you insist on it

No offense, but how do you explain Swtzerland? Full auto assault weapons in every house, and look at the crime rate....

Just saying that the amount of guns does not equal the amount of crime, and many studies indicate that more guns in the hands of law-abiding people equals LESS crime.

All of which must be factored, however, by the basic culture of the community, which I feel that the stats show is a far bigger factor than the amount of guns around.

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Sly · 07-02-2010, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

no guns here and significantly less crime - carry on shooting each at your own will if you insist on it

I don't know what the source of this is, the year, or the accuracy, but a quick search brought up this: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...rms-per-capita

Sly · 07-02-2010, 08:24 AM

And then we have this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...Czech_Republic

I agree with sper, it is culture based. My area has a lot of gun ownership, not a lot of gun crime. Every now and then there is a gun crime, it's usually a self-defense measure or it is committed by an "import." And by "import", I mean someone that is not a local and did not grow up in the area. Being within a few hours from Chicago, we actually get a lot of this and it is a pretty big problem.

Vendzilla · 07-02-2010, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

So using your logic rape should be legal since rapists clearly don't obey the anti-rape laws. I mean I obey the anti-rape law and it just sucks that rapist are the only that can rape. They should get rid of rape laws so law abiding citizens like me can rape too.

You make no sense
lawful gun owners can't be compared with those that do so illegally, even in your fucked up mind

Vendzilla · 07-02-2010, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

This is very true. It is the people who own them, Chicago is just full of criminals. I live in a small town that has more guns than people and basically have a zero crime rate.

NOT true, not everyone from Chicago is a criminal, our president is from Chicago and .....wait..........yeah you're right

DateDoc · 07-02-2010, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BV

The NRA should buy a billboard ad campaign in Chicago with that!

MaDalton · 07-02-2010, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

And then we have this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...Czech_Republic

I agree with sper, it is culture based. My area has a lot of gun ownership, not a lot of gun crime. Every now and then there is a gun crime, it's usually a self-defense measure or it is committed by an "import." And by "import", I mean someone that is not a local and did not grow up in the area. Being within a few hours from Chicago, we actually get a lot of this and it is a pretty big problem.

lol - i actually didn't know this. but it also says:

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Since the Czech Republic is relatively a safe country, most people agree that they do not feel the need to permanently carry a gun for protection. Considering the number of the E category licenses there are about 200 000 people who could potentially carry a firearm however it is not clear how many of them regularly do so.[2]

i have never met anyone who had a gun here but what i regularly see is girls in short skirts running around drunk at 5 am and no one seems to bother or is afraid.

you probably find a statistics for everything if you want to, i just know that i have never been in a safer place than here.

so yes, i agree, it is a cultural problem.

MaDalton · 07-02-2010, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

No offense, but how do you explain Swtzerland? Full auto assault weapons in every house, and look at the crime rate....

Just saying that the amount of guns does not equal the amount of crime, and many studies indicate that more guns in the hands of law-abiding people equals LESS crime.

All of which must be factored, however, by the basic culture of the community, which I feel that the stats show is a far bigger factor than the amount of guns around.

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one thing about switzerland: they are really paranoid about defending their country, although they have not been attacked since hundreds of years - if ever. and the fact that almost every citizen has a gun at home is not because he needs it to defend his home, it's cause the government wants them to have it in case Switzerland is being attacked. totally different mindset.

ottopottomouse · 07-02-2010, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BV

The United Kingdom banned guns in 1997. As one indicator of violence against women, between 1995 and 2006 the rate of rape in the UK increased 76.5%, while rape decreased 16.7% in ?gun-toting? United States. British women are now raped twice as often as American women. It seems violent men are scared by women with guns.

Or American woman are all fat

Weren't allowed to carry them in the street to defend yourself anyway, just use them for sport and shooting potential rapists in the nuts isn't a recognised sport yet.

Brujah · 07-02-2010, 09:43 AM

mountainmiester · 07-02-2010, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Of course this only affects those that obey the law. .

LOL, I know, isn't that usually the case? Keeping the honest, honest.

Tom_PM · 07-02-2010, 11:13 AM

As much as people dont want to think about it, regulations are the only things governments are actually supposed to do. This is no surprise, just like it's no surprise that other cities have passed laws just like Arizonas immigration policy. They can vote out the mayor come election time if the majority want to.

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Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 72,911	Chiacgo Passes staggering NEW gun laws Chicago isn't about to let the recent Supreme Court decisions slow them down... Holy shit! Mayor Daley lays out strict gun rules for Chicago CHICAGO ? With the city's gun ban certain to be overturned, Mayor Richard Daley on Thursday introduced what city officials say is the strictest handgun ordinance in the United States. The measure, which draws from ordinances around the country, would ban gun shops in Chicago and prohibit gun owners from stepping outside their homes, even onto their porches or garages, with a handgun. Daley announced his ordinance at a park on the city's South Side three days after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Americans have a right to own a gun for self-defense anywhere they live. The City Council is expected to vote on it Friday. "As long as I'm mayor, we will never give up or give in to gun violence that continues to threaten every part of our nation, including Chicago," said Daley, who was flanked by activists, city officials and the parents of a teenager whose son was shot and killed on a city bus while shielding a friend. The ordinance, which Daley urged the City Council to pass, also would : ? Limit the number of handguns residents can register to one per month and prohibit residents from having more than one handgun in operating order at any given time. ? Require residents in homes with children to keep them in lock boxes or equipped with trigger locks. ? Require prospective gun owners to take a four-hour class and one-hour training at a gun range. They would have to leave the city for training because Chicago prohibits new gun ranges and limits the use of existing ranges to police officers. Those restrictions were similar to those in an ordinance passed in Washington, D.C., after the high court struck down its ban two years ago. ? Prohibit people from owning a gun if they were convicted of a violent crime, domestic violence or two or more convictions for driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs. Residents convicted of a gun offense would have to register with the police department. ? Calls for the police department to maintain a registry of every handgun owner in the city, with the names and addresses to be made available to police officers, firefighters and other emergency responders. Those who already have handguns in the city ? which has been illegal since the city's ban was approved 28 years ago ? would have 90 days to register those weapons, according to the proposed ordinance. Residents convicted of violating the city's ordinance can face a fine up to $5,000 and be locked up for as long as 90 days for a first offense and a fine of up to $10,000 and as long as six months behind bars for subsequent convictions. "We've gone farther than anyone else ever has," said Corporation Counsel Mara Georges. Still, the mayor, whose office is trying to craft an ordinance that will withstand legal challenges, had to back off some provisions he'd hoped to include, including requiring gun owners to insure their weapons and restricting each resident to one handgun. Georges said it would be expensive for homeowners to include guns on their homeowners' and renters' insurance policies, so such a requirement could be seen as being discriminatory to the city's poorer residents. Limiting the number of handguns could be seen as discriminatory to people who owned weapons before the city's ban went into effect in 1982 or before they moved into the city. "We can limit the place in which those handguns can be located," she said, before adding a not-so-veiled swipe at the court: "For instance, the Supreme court does not want them coming into the courthouse." Still, Daley indicated that no matter what was included in the ordinance, he expects legal challenges. "Everybody has a right to sue," he said. (( yahoo news )) __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

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