Originally Posted by MetaMan

so you do. you have a personal vendetta in this issue it is now clear.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Duck and Cover come from the cold war we were in, I lived thru that and served during that, during the Reagan administration, it went bye bye.
The world was on the brink of going "poof!"
Maybe you should read a little about Cuba?

Originally Posted by brentbacardi

"The Social Security Administration has estimated about three-quarters of illegal workers have taxes for Social Security and Medicare taken out of their paychecks — programs in which they cannot legally participate unless they become legal residents."

Originally Posted by Oracle Porn

Living in the states for 3 years (LEGALLY) I saw a lot more LAZY ASS useless American white trash rather then lazy immigrants, usually immigrants want to succeed in life, that's why they move out of their home country.

Originally Posted by almoe

Whoever wrote that is a DUMB ASS

Just how the fuck does the SSA collect this money? You need a Social Security Number/Card to have FICA and Medicare taxes collected. If you have a SSN you're not illegal. --- Fucktards

Almoe

Originally Posted by Brujah

Originally Posted by GotGauge

Vendzilla can you ICQ me?
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Originally Posted by tony299

Also the largest tax increase in peacetime and lets not forget the meese commission.

Originally Posted by theking

I know what "duck and cover" is...I too lived thru those years...and no...the world was not anymore in danger of going "poof" than it is now. During the "Cuban Missile Crisis" the world was not in danger of going "poof"...MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) existed and niether the U.S. or the Soviets were dumb enough to launch nukes at one another. In my opinion the world is actually a more dangerous place now than it was during the "Cold War". None of this has anything to do with the points that I was making. BTW...President Reagan did not end the "Cold War"...it was the accumulated policy of every administration...since and including President Truman's administration against the Soviet's that brought an end to the "Cold War"...combined with the internal collaspe of the Soviet system.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I'm heading out the door, give ya a jingle when I get back

Peacetime, guess you didn't know about the cold war, I recieved a medal because it was war time when I was in the Navy during his p[residency, I guess you're wrong


You are sooo full of shit

By the early 1980s, the USSR had built up a military arsenal and army surpassing that of the United States. Previously, the U.S. had relied on the qualitative superiority of its weapons to essentially frighten the Soviets, but the gap had been narrowed.After President Reagan's military buildup, the Soviet Union did not further dramatically build up its military;the enormous military expenses, in combination with collectivized agriculture and inefficient planned manufacturing, were a heavy burden for the Soviet economy. At the same time, the Reagan Administration persuaded Saudi Arabia to increase oil production, which resulted in a drop of oil prices in 1985 to one-third of the previous level; oil was the main source of Soviet export revenues.These factors gradually brought the Soviet economy to a stagnant state during Gorbachev's tenure.

Ronald Reagan recognized the change in the direction of the Soviet leadership with Mikhail Gorbachev, and shifted to diplomacy, with a view to encourage the Soviet leader to pursue substantial arms agreements. Reagan's personal mission was to achieve "a world free of nuclear weapons," which he regarded as "totally irrational, totally inhumane, good for nothing but killing, possibly destructive of life on earth and civilization." He was able to start discussions on nuclear disarmament with General Secretary Gorbachev. Gorbachev and Reagan held four summit conferences between 1985 and 1988: the first in Geneva, Switzerland, the second in Reykjavík, Iceland, the third in Washington, D.C., and the fourth in Moscow. Reagan believed that if he could persuade the Soviets to allow for more democracy and free speech, this would lead to reform and the end of Communism.

Speaking at the Berlin Wall on June 12, 1987, Reagan challenged Gorbachev to go further, saying:

“ "General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization, come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" ”


Reagan and Gorbachev sign the INF Treaty at the White House in 1987Prior to Gorbachev visiting Washington, D.C., for the third summit in 1987, the Soviet leader announced his intention to pursue significant arms agreements. The timing of the announcement led Western diplomats to contend that Gorbachev was offering major concessions to the U.S. on the levels of conventional forces, nuclear weapons, and policy in Eastern Europe. He and Reagan signed the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty at the White House, which eliminated an entire class of nuclear weapons. The two leaders laid the framework for the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty, or START I; Reagan insisted that the name of the treaty be changed from Strategic Arms Limitation Talks to Strategic Arms Reduction Talks.

When Reagan visited Moscow for the fourth summit in 1988, he was viewed as a celebrity by Russians. A journalist asked the president if he still considered the Soviet Union the evil empire. "No", he replied, "I was talking about another time, another era." At Gorbachev's request, Reagan gave a speech on free markets at the Moscow State University. In his autobiography, An American Life, Reagan expressed his optimism about the new direction that they charted, his warm feelings for Gorbachev.The Berlin Wall was torn down beginning in 1989 and two years later the Soviet Union collapsed.

Originally Posted by PenisFace

For someone who argues so fervently, you need to read up on legal immigration to the United States. Simply put, it is not an easy process, and you don't get to live and work in the United States if your only hope of employment is unskilled or partially skilled work. For a Canadian to be granted access to live and work in the United States, they must have an appropriate education (usually requiring a bachelors degree) in a specific field. Usually, these fields are science, medical, and a few others.

Basically, you must be able to work in a field that requires lots of qualifications. What does this mean? It means that there aren't enough Americans who are educated enough to fill these jobs, which means it's time to bring in people who are. I couldn't move the united states to be a municipal worker, or a truck driver, or an auto mechanic. Because there are plenty of Americans who do that and who are qualified to do so. I could, however, move to the Unitd States to be a pharmacist, a landscape architect, or an English teacher. Because people with those skills are lacking in the US. In order to work a job/career in the United States, I must:

1) Have education (bachelors degree, usually) in a specific field.

2) There can not be any Americans with the same education credentials who are also trying to get the same job. If there are, they get it, I don't.

3) The employer must submit documentation stating that you are working for them. If the company goes under, or you get laid off, or fired, you can not simply get another job to make ends meet. You have to work in the same field, and have the new company submit new documentation indicating that you now work for them.

4) If the industry collapses, or jobs are not available, you go back to your own country. Like I said above, I can't leave my job as a landscape architect or english teacher to work at a grocery store.

Living and working in the US means that you have skills that Americans don't have, or there is a shortage of people who have those skills. That's it. That is the only way you can legally work in the united states, at least if you are an every-man. There are different rules and regs, but they only apply to the top 1% of the population, wealth wise.

You can be granted permanent residence in the United States if you invest in, or create a company that employs 10 americans for (I believe) a minimum of 2 years. If, after 2 years, you still have 10 americans employed, you are granted residence status. If the company folds after a year, you're out of luck, thanks for trying.

Cliffs: The only reason people who aren't american work and live in the united states, is because there are not enough Americans with the skills to fill the jobs. You don't live and work there if you're going to be a cashier at a grocery store.


ME? I'm working on my bachelors, and I plan on relocating the united states within 5 years. The field im studying has nearly no prospects in the United States. Most people in the field, are from somewhere else.

Originally Posted by theking

In case you are not aware of it...in the later years of the "Cold War"...the U.S. intentionally kept its forces weaker than the Soviet's...specifically in Europe...to let the Soviet's know that we would be forced to use our nukes and institute MAD if they made any major moves on Europe...to deter them from any major moves on Europe.

Nothing in your copy and paste post...indicates that anything I posted...makes me full of shit...but your insult does give me cause to tell you...you are now dismissed.

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

You are pretty dead on.

My best friend of 20 years came to this country from England and over stayed his welcome. He had a social security card with his name on it and also had "not valid for work" stomped on it. He needed that to get his Drivers license.

This guy tried and tried to get his Green card. Denied, denied over and over. With what he did, our country had tons what he did thats why he was getting denied.


This guy did construction, drywalling+plastering and before that, he served soft served yogurt because there was no work. This guy had the very best work ethic out of anyone i have ever met. I used to call him the "white Mexican".

Long story short, He saved his money, he paid taxes, some how got a tax return, bought 5 different properties, flipped them and cashed out when they were prime and made a shitload. Hired a attorney after 911,(was that much more difficult to get into this country after 911) to set up his paper work to come into the United states as a $500K investor.


The tricky part was leaving the country back to England to not show that he ever over stayed his welcome. So he left through Mexico back to his port of entry which was England.

When he came back to the US, customs saw according to their records that he never left the US. But since he went back to England he had a new passport with no stamps and had all of his paper work in order stating he was a serious investor with money already in US banks. The US customs saw that oversight as their mistake and they welcomed him with open arms.


Was it right? Nope. Did he make it right? Yup.


At the end of the day, this guy has over 1 million liquid in the bank, and owns 2 apartment buildings and pays a butt load in US taxes. This is what our country wants. It is kind of lame that it is that difficult to get into this country.


I do know that it can be very difficult to get into this country, but the rules are the rules.

Originally Posted by PenisFace

For someone who argues so fervently, you need to read up on legal immigration to the United States. Simply put, it is not an easy process, and you don't get to live and work in the United States if your only hope of employment is unskilled or partially skilled work. For a Canadian to be granted access to live and work in the United States, they must have an appropriate education (usually requiring a bachelors degree) in a specific field. Usually, these fields are science, medical, and a few others.

Basically, you must be able to work in a field that requires lots of qualifications. What does this mean? It means that there aren't enough Americans who are educated enough to fill these jobs, which means it's time to bring in people who are. I couldn't move the united states to be a municipal worker, or a truck driver, or an auto mechanic. Because there are plenty of Americans who do that and who are qualified to do so. I could, however, move to the Unitd States to be a pharmacist, a landscape architect, or an English teacher. Because people with those skills are lacking in the US. In order to work a job/career in the United States, I must:

Originally Posted by Rochard

Your friend went about it wrong. He came to the US and overstayed his vacation instead of getting the proper paperwork. Basically, he came to the US hoping he would get permission to stay which is the wrong way about it.

Then to top it off, he decided to lie about how long he had been in the country, left through Mexico, returned to the UK, and then back to the US? Yeah, that's exactly what we want in the US. Someone who came to the US with the intention of breaking it's laws with the "hope" that he would granted permission to stay, and then when he got called on it he exited the country through Mexico to avoid US customs.

Your friend is a criminal intent on breaking our laws. No wonder why he can't get in.

Originally Posted by Rochard

Your friend is a criminal intent on breaking our laws. No wonder why he can't get in.

Originally Posted by brentbacardi

From the article "The Social Security Administration has estimated about three-quarters of illegal workers have taxes for Social Security and Medicare taken out of their paychecks ? programs in which they cannot legally participate unless they become legal residents."

And how do they have these taken out when someone hands them a hundred bucks cash for doing lawn work?

Doesn't make sense.

Originally Posted by Rochard

That's a crock of bull. At Playboy / ICS we had a number of Canadians who did not have a college education who switched jobs at will without issues. They quit their job, get hired on at a new company, resubmit their paperwork, and bam.

My neighbors across the street are another one. They are from Afghanistan. They barely speak a lick of English, but from what they told me they went through a four week "business course" and then while they were still in Afghanistan they got a loan to move their entire family to the US and open up a business - They now run a 7-11.

Years ago I worked for an Iranian family. Same exact crap. They took a business course on running a dry cleaner, got a huge loan, moved the entire family from Iran into a million dollar house. They came here under some goverment program that encouraged them to take a business course and then loaned them the money to come and open up a business.

I'm not saying it's easy to move to the US and become a citizen. There has to be some requirements. We can't just let anyone in. But once you come in illegally, you should never be allowed back in again.