Manwin Official Statement re acquisition of Brazzers - Page 12 - GoFuckYourself.com

munki · 07-25-2010, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by munki

500 + fiddy suckups, fuckups, and unanswered questions...

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 07-25-2010, 03:56 AM

Hi Nathan / Fabian Thylmann ...

Still hiding?

For a self-proclaimed "Managing Partner" of Manwin, it appears that you know very little about managing damage control.

Your credibility diminishes every minute you remain silent.

What exactly is it that you are you afraid of?

We both know...

The FBI? Interpol? Surely not basic questions put forward by others in the adult industry, whom you asked to trust you...

You started this thread asking everyone to trust you, and yet you cowardly refuse to answer straightforward questions in an honest way, perhaps wishing the questions would just go away.

Meanwhile, the view count in this thread has gone up by thousands, and likely more and more people in the industry (and those monitoring this board) are starting to wonder what it is that you may be hiding.

Still you try to continue to hide, perhaps curled up in the corner sucking your thumb (or some other appendage of one of your masters/partners), unable to respond to very simple questions. That's not very becoming of a self proclaimed industry leader.

The funny thing is that this very past day you were caught lurking here on GFY. How sad and pathetic do you look like for that?

You and your handlers/consultants have had several days now to craft answers of any kind to the questions posed to you, yet like cockroaches, you and your "partners" continue to hide from the light.

Once again, here is another opportunity to come clean with the industry, and answer these rather simple questions:

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1) Who are your partners/investors in Manwin?

2) What is your plan (besides hiding behind the ridiculous provisions of the DMCA safe harbor provisions, which hopefully will be changed soon) for ensuring that your Manwin company, and known/suspected associates/entities/properties (such as Brazzers, JuggCash, KeezMovies, PornHub, Xtube, ExtremeTube, Tube8, MovieBox, Sex In Your City, etc), quit screwing over the rest of the industry by seemingly engaging in allowing obvious non-copyright holders/employees to post long scenes (or any scenes for that matter) of videos which they have no copyright to on any of your sites?

3) What role, if any, do Stephane Manos (Man) or hahahahahahaha (oops, forgot, for some reason O-u-i-s-s-a-m, without hyphens, appears as hahahahahahaha on GFY) Youseff (Sef) play in Manwin's current operations?

4) Does Virage Media Limited still exist? If not, when did it cease to exist, and why? Are the former Virage Media Ltd properties now part of Manwin?

5) When did Manwin come into existence, and who are the partners/investors?

6) When did Manwin acquire Mansef? In March or July, or whatever date?

7) Is Bob Rice still a part of your Manwin operation? If not, when did he leave?

8) What business relationship/association(s) have you, or any companies associated with you, (such as Virage Media or HQtube and Xtube) had with Envisionext/Stan Fiskin?

9) What business relationship, if any, do you have with Jain Shaileshkumar (aka Sam Jain) or Bjorn Daniel Sundin (aka Daniel)? Some people here seem to think there is a money connection somehow.

10) Would you consider contributing some of Manwin's profits to an industry-wide anti-copyright/anti-piracy effort?

I'm simply asking questions which I perceive that you have repeatedly ducked, dodged, and otherwise parried from.

None of the information I have posted is personal (even if you or anyone else chooses to take it personally).

Most, if not all, of the info I have posted about, came from easily accessible public sources on the internet, such as LinkedIn, and Google searches of your name, your nicks, and your various company names, plus names of people associated (or said to possibly be associated) with you.

I assure you that I have not hacked into anything that is private or otherwise secure information. That is outside of my nature/proclivity, and skill-set.

If you wish to be perceived as a respectable member of the adult industry, by answering forthrightly, the simple questions which I have posed here, and prove yourself to sincerely and aggressively stand against content/copyright piracy (not just for your own content, but for the entire industry), then you may be surprised to find a strong ally in me.

By refusing to answer these questions, many people may possibly have to conclude that you indeed have something to hide, and are therefore untrustworthy, or that you may be too busy serving the hidden partners pulling your strings to come clean about your company:

What kind of man, if any, are you?

Quit hiding and answer the questions...

ADG

Nathan · 07-25-2010, 04:24 AM

ADG,

One reason I am not answering your post is that you do not care about the answers anyway.

If you would care, you would not ask questions I have answered previously, neither would you act like a 5 year old and post pictures or trying to redicule me. All you care about is stirring this up over and over again, even me answering these questions again would just make you post some stupid picture and then claim I am just lying anyway.

The main reason I am not answering though is that you have not only threatened me, but you actually had the nerve to threaten my family.

This is not a game ADG, this is business. If all you can do is threaten, post pics and make confusing remarks to try to make me look bad, then I do not care what you think of me or Manwin.

I have invited you to Miami to talk, you declined that, I am not going to invite you again.

This is my last post in this thread. If you would have just been a standup guy and not resorted to name calling and threats, I would have actually answered your questions again. But you have stepped clearly over any rational way of dealing with this so the subject is closed for me.

munki · 07-25-2010, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

ADG,

One reason I am not answering your post is that you do not care about the answers anyway.

If you would care, you would not ask questions I have answered previously, neither would you act like a 5 year old and post pictures or trying to redicule me. All you care about is stirring this up over and over again, even me answering these questions again would just make you post some stupid picture and then claim I am just lying anyway.

The main reason I am not answering though is that you have not only threatened me, but you actually had the nerve to threaten my family.

This is not a game ADG, this is business. If all you can do is threaten, post pics and make confusing remarks to try to make me look bad, then I do not care what you think of me or Manwin.

I have invited you to Miami to talk, you declined that, I am not going to invite you again.

This is my last post in this thread. If you would have just been a standup guy and not resorted to name calling and threats, I would have actually answered your questions again. But you have stepped clearly over any rational way of dealing with this so the subject is closed for me.

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Originally Posted by munki

Any plans on ending the rampant piracy?

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Originally Posted by munki

If I saw a plan put into action by new/old/future ownership, that led to an effective identification, approval, or deletion of content, based upon known copyright/unlicensed status by the company, not only would I probably drop dead of shock on sight, but would probably actually stop my bitching about piracy. A no bullshit, no loopholes approach.

We know you license content, and have found an effective delivery method.

We also know a lot of content is available only because of assumed DMCA protection until a notice is received.

Put a system into place that actively monitors copyright status... If you have received a valid DMCA on a piece of content, do not allow it back through the system again. Content identification is not rocket science these days. Proactively monitor "user submitters" for patterns in unlicensed content. Be proactive spider content networks, and establish relationships to prevent further abuses.

If a valid, and immediate effort were made, it'd be a lot quieter around here. Sometimes it's just about what's right, not what we can get away, which this industry is too quick to accept.

I won't, can't, and don't want to speak for others, but I have not threatened... will not travel to FLA, but still would like to hear plain, simple answers.

erooup · 07-25-2010, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

ADG,

One reason I am not answering your post is that you do not care about the answers anyway.

If you would care, you would not ask questions I have answered previously, neither would you act like a 5 year old and post pictures or trying to redicule me. All you care about is stirring this up over and over again, even me answering these questions again would just make you post some stupid picture and then claim I am just lying anyway.

The main reason I am not answering though is that you have not only threatened me, but you actually had the nerve to threaten my family.

This is not a game ADG, this is business. If all you can do is threaten, post pics and make confusing remarks to try to make me look bad, then I do not care what you think of me or Manwin.

I have invited you to Miami to talk, you declined that, I am not going to invite you again.

This is my last post in this thread. If you would have just been a standup guy and not resorted to name calling and threats, I would have actually answered your questions again. But you have stepped clearly over any rational way of dealing with this so the subject is closed for me.

Lots of people care, me included. Why invite him to Miami to answer a question in private we all want to know the answer to?

If you dont want to answer his question, then answer the one I had here https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17353104&postcount=487

Is Bob Rice telling people a lie? or are you?

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 07-25-2010, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

ADG,

One reason I am not answering your post is that you do not care about the answers anyway.

If you would care, you would not ask questions I have answered previously, neither would you act like a 5 year old and post pictures or trying to redicule me. All you care about is stirring this up over and over again, even me answering these questions again would just make you post some stupid picture and then claim I am just lying anyway.

The main reason I am not answering though is that you have not only threatened me, but you actually had the nerve to threaten my family.

This is not a game ADG, this is business. If all you can do is threaten, post pics and make confusing remarks to try to make me look bad, then I do not care what you think of me or Manwin.

I have invited you to Miami to talk, you declined that, I am not going to invite you again.

This is my last post in this thread. If you would have just been a standup guy and not resorted to name calling and threats, I would have actually answered your questions again. But you have stepped clearly over any rational way of dealing with this so the subject is closed for me.

Once again you are attempting to weasel out of my straightforward questions.

You say I do not care about your answers to questions I have posed to you repeatedly, and which you have so far not answered, but indeed I do care, as do many others in the adult industry, since you claim to have acquired a company that is widely disdained (and believed to have caused much damage) in the adult industry, and yet you have asked everyone to trust you, without providing answers to even the simplest of questions, such as, who are the other partners/investors in your venture?

To deflect your failure to answer these questions, you have falsely stated that I have somehow threatened you and your family, which is plain ridiculous, when I have stated just the opposite, that I do not wish to cause you or your family any legal problems or embarrassment.

Plain and simple, I think you are a coward, or have something to hide, Nathan / Fabian Thylmann, if you once again refuse to answer my straightforward questions (anyone can see, none of my questions should appear threatening to either you or your family).

So, for the record, here are the questions that I pose to you, and which you appear afraid to answer, even though they should not be construed in any way as a threat to you or your family (unless by answering them you feel somehow endangered - which could mean that you are hiding some illegal activity/associations):

1) Name who your "partners" are in Manwin, since you claim to be a "Managing Partner".

2) Who else is an investor in Manwin?

3) What role/relationship, if any, do Stephane Manos or Q-u-i-s-s-a-m Youseff have with Manwin (remove the hypens in Mr Youseff's first name - he has apparently asked the GFY moderators to disallow the posting of his first name, for some mysterious reason; could this mean he has something to hide?).

4) Does Virage Media Limited still exist? If not, when did it cease to exist, and why? Are the former Virage Media Ltd properties now part of Manwin?

5) When did Manwin come into existence, and who are the partners/investors?

6) When did Manwin acquire Mansef? In March or July of this year, or whatever date? From what I have heard, the purchase occurred soon after the US Federal Government and Pink Visual (Ventura Content) launched lawsuits against Mansef for money laundering/illegal bank activity and copyright violations.

7) Is Bob Rice still a part of your Manwin operation? If not, when did he leave?

8) What business relationship/association(s) have you, or any companies associated with you, (such as Virage Media, or HQtube and Xtube) had with Envisionext/Stan Fiskin? Was he ever an officer/employee with Virage Media?

9) What business relationship, if any, do you have with Jain Shaileshkumar (aka Sam Jain) or Bjorn Daniel Sundin (aka Daniel)? Some people here seem to think there is a money connection somehow.

10) Would you consider contributing some of Manwin's profits to an industry-wide anti-copyright/anti-piracy effort?

There clearly are no threats to you or your family in the above questions.

As anyone can see, you are simply making up a bogus excuse to refuse to respond to these straightforward questions, if you should provide no answers.

Your failure to respond speaks volumes about your character and your company, and does not answer any of the legitimate questions that I and others have raised/asked about you or your company.

As I have stated before, simply answer these questions, and I will ask you no more questions here. I give you my word.

You claimed that you have answered my questions previously. If so, please show the post where you have answered completely, not in part, all of the above questions, or else answer them forthwith.

It's time to come clean Nathan / Fabian Thylmann ...

No threats here. If you want to be trusted in this industry, you must first prove yourself worthy of trust, by answering simple straightforward questions about the company you have acquired which has a negative past, instead of hiding behind false excuses.

ADG

Nathan · 07-25-2010, 07:50 AM

ADG, you are doing plenty of things you can really only be doing to try to harm me... there is absolutely no other reason to do so otherwise, thus, every single post of yours is a threat.

Things included are btw:
- posting questions I have answered multiple times already, just to make it seem as if I did not for people reading only parts of the thread
- continuously claiming how you are so nice and not asking other questions you could ask which would harm my family in your opinion (this btw is a threat)
- posting my full name on this board, although I really really do not care that you do, you obviously only do it because you think it pisses me off in some way

This is also why I find it useless to answer your questions, since you will simply not let go anyway... but, that said, I will still answer them one more final time, but I am 99.99% sure that you will not care and will just go on since you will simply claim I am lying... I am also posting this for the other people in this thread who have been very friendly in asking questions compared to you...

So we will see how much your word is worth...

1) There are no other shareholders other than people that have very low %age of shares for incentive reasons in a big business. If you do not understand why I can not post confidential information like this, so be it, but I can not, its not my place to do so. Also, as I have stated before, we are talking max 1-2%.

2) Nobody

3) No role

4) Nothing there changed currently.

5) Manwin was started this year. The second part of the question I have answered in 1 and 2.

6) Noone acquired Mansef, we acquired their assets. As we have stated in multiple locations in this thread and in press releases, 1st of March 2010. You are misinformed when the US Gov case against Mansef was started I think, and regarding Pink Visual, yes as you yourself know very well it was filed end of February 2010. If you think this shows that this is a fake transaction, then I suggest you wait until the court cases are concluded, since before that is the case, anything you think in this regard is simply based on misinformation or not enough knowledge of the situation.

7) he never was a part of Manwin. He did work for me for a couple of months end of 2008, beginning 2009, to find more possible acquisitions simply because he has a lot of contacts in the industry.

8) Stan was, but nolonger is. As I have said previously also btw and you simply chose to ignore this. Things change.

9) I have had a business relationship with Sundin many many years ago until he ripped me off and now owes me money from a group of services we owned together with a 3rd person named Preston Garisson (sp?).

10) We already do that. Well, it depends on what you call "industry-wide" I guess...

Agent 488 · 07-25-2010, 07:52 AM

see sig.

will76 · 07-25-2010, 08:15 AM

did you pay 140 million for Mansef ?

erooup · 07-25-2010, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

4) Nothing there changed currently.

Great way to not answer the question.

Agent 488 · 07-25-2010, 08:29 AM

they don't owe anyone any answers. 99% of programs will do business with them. i'm surprised they bothered responding to a couple old trolls trolling.

fris · 07-25-2010, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

they don't owe anyone any answers. 99% of programs will do business with them. i'm surprised they bothered responding to a couple old trolls trolling.

at the end of the day its all about money

money > morals

if mansef/manwin can make a buck by selling their sister on the street, they will do it.

crazytrini85 · 07-25-2010, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

7) Is Bob Rice still a part of your Manwin operation? If not, when did he leave?

Bob gets around.

Of course everyone knows what he did before, but he then went to Incredible Dollars (biggest scam company ever) then went to _____________, then on to Solo Converts who is owned by the guy who was running Incredible Dollars and another guy who was running SOBV, and now he has ties with Manwin?

"Honest" Bob Rice may be a good guy and a hell of a bro, but he has made rounds with some of the industry's biggest scammers, card bangers and content thieves in the past few years and is still knee deep in the middle of them. Maybe Bob is the Keyzer Sosa you're all looking for.

bdjerk · 07-25-2010, 01:38 PM

anyone know where i can get a good antivirus program?
was trying to get laid on iwantu.com and got this shit iwu.exe.

pornstar2fag · 07-25-2010, 05:32 PM

i hear feds be at avn

very good source

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 07-26-2010, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by pornstar2fag

i hear feds be at avn

very good source

At least Nathan / Fabian Thylmann will be easy to find if they wish to try and get some answers out of him before his return trip to Germany...or perhaps they will ask/tell him to extend his stay here in the USA.

ADG

Wizzo · 07-26-2010, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by pornstar2fag

i hear feds be at avn

very good source

It's been a couple of years since that rumor has been around, It used to get started before every major show, so good to see things returning to normal...

crazytrini85 · 07-26-2010, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by pornstar2fag

i hear feds be at avn

very good source

They serving a warrant or something, or they gonna try to sit in on an illegal secret cross sale meeting?

You guys have no idea how the law works.

Qbert · 07-26-2010, 08:22 AM

Rumour or not I bet it's enough to make Nathan/Fabian a no show.

DamianJ · 07-26-2010, 08:24 AM

Fabian, hire someone with PR experience to handle your damage limitation and stop posting here.

You're doing more harm than good.

Damian

epitome · 07-26-2010, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by pornstar2fag

i hear feds be at avn

very good source

They wouldn't show up and do something at the show. Airports are perfect for detaining people the second they step off the plane.

Tickler · 07-26-2010, 11:40 AM

The Feds will just be looking for places to order DVDs from so they can setup more junk prosecutions.

And checking out all the hot babes hoping to get lucky

Robbie · 07-26-2010, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Fabian, hire someone with PR experience to handle your damage limitation and stop posting here.

You're doing more harm than good.

Damian

I don't think he can do much harm. Brazzers hasn't needed affiliates for a while now. They pretty much took all the traffic from us tgps with Pornhub. So I can't make sales with them now. And the few guys like Freeones that do have a bit of traffic left and are affiliates of Brazzers aren't gonna pull the plug on making money with them over anything said on GFY.

So I don't see that he is gonna do any harm at all arguing with people whom don't even promote them anyway. ~shrug~

Best I can tell, nobody in this thread can do Brazzers any harm or any good one way or another.

MaDalton · 07-26-2010, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I don't think he can do much harm. Brazzers hasn't needed affiliates for a while now. They pretty much took all the traffic from us tgps with Pornhub. So I can't make sales with them now. And the few guys like Freeones that do have a bit of traffic left and are affiliates of Brazzers aren't gonna pull the plug on making money with them over anything said on GFY.

So I don't see that he is gonna do any harm at all arguing with people whom don't even promote them anyway. ~shrug~

Best I can tell, nobody in this thread can do Brazzers any harm or any good one way or another.

hammer - nail - head

Quentin · 07-26-2010, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I don't think he can do much harm. Brazzers hasn't needed affiliates for a while now. They pretty much took all the traffic from us tgps with Pornhub. So I can't make sales with them now. And the few guys like Freeones that do have a bit of traffic left and are affiliates of Brazzers aren't gonna pull the plug on making money with them over anything said on GFY.

So I don't see that he is gonna do any harm at all arguing with people whom don't even promote them anyway. ~shrug~

Best I can tell, nobody in this thread can do Brazzers any harm or any good one way or another.

Sounds about right to me.

3xTom · 07-26-2010, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I don't think he can do much harm. Brazzers hasn't needed affiliates for a while now. They pretty much took all the traffic from us tgps with Pornhub. So I can't make sales with them now. And the few guys like Freeones that do have a bit of traffic left and are affiliates of Brazzers aren't gonna pull the plug on making money with them over anything said on GFY.

So I don't see that he is gonna do any harm at all arguing with people whom don't even promote them anyway. ~shrug~

Best I can tell, nobody in this thread can do Brazzers any harm or any good one way or another.

Wiser words have never been spoken

Varius · 07-26-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bdjerk

anyone know where i can get a good antivirus program?
was trying to get laid on iwantu.com and got this shit iwu.exe.

Since two people have already Skyped me to ask about this:

We sold IwantU back in Feb 2008 and didn't remain involved in the site in any capacity after this date. So, for the record, I know nothing of this alleged virus (we did have a downloadable application called iwu.exe that was used to send alerts of new dates/messages etc... to the systray).

Robbie · 07-26-2010, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 3xTom

Wiser words have never been spoken

I'm just glad your avatar has finally stopped aging backwards. For a while there you were the "Benjamin Buttons" of GFY.
I was afraid your next avatar was going to be a sperm and an egg.

will76 · 07-26-2010, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Fabian, hire someone with PR experience to handle your damage limitation and stop posting here.

You're doing more harm than good.

Damian

Here you go:

Dear adult webmaster community. I am posting here to let you know that I am committed to cleaning up piracy on the internet and helping assist those of you have had your content stolen. I have recently acquired mansef and their properties which include pornhub. While this company has been doing business that is seen by many as detrimental to the adult industry, I want to let you know that this will no longer be the case moving forward. Effective immediately, we be removing the upload video function on the website. If you are a site owner and you would like to have your content featured on our website, with a link back to you of course, please contact me and we can get a lot of traffic and sales sent your way. If you are a content producer contact me as I am looking to spend millions of dollars on content deals.

TO everyone else in the industry, I make no excuses for what happened at mansef prior to purchasing the company, however I can tell you going forward that those days are over. Manwin is committed to working with the adult community and trying to put an end to piracy.

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Just send me a check for $500 Nathan and we can call it even. You need a PR person really really bad. You also need some consulting work, because there is no reason for you to even have an upload button on pornhub any more.

Agent 488 · 07-26-2010, 03:31 PM

nathan IS the pr person. hope no one really thinks the owners changed.

will76 · 07-26-2010, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I don't think he can do much harm. Brazzers hasn't needed affiliates for a while now. They pretty much took all the traffic from us tgps with Pornhub. So I can't make sales with them now. And the few guys like Freeones that do have a bit of traffic left and are affiliates of Brazzers aren't gonna pull the plug on making money with them over anything said on GFY.

So I don't see that he is gonna do any harm at all arguing with people whom don't even promote them anyway. ~shrug~

Best I can tell, nobody in this thread can do Brazzers any harm or any good one way or another.

true, so why is he even posting here? to troll, brag? he is bored? i dont get it.

will76 · 07-26-2010, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

nathan IS the pr person. hope no one really thinks the owners changed.

if that is the case then the owners need to hire a new pr person.

SiMpLe · 07-26-2010, 03:36 PM

I've read all 12 pages of this thread

Agent 488 · 07-26-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

true, so why is he even posting here? to troll, brag? he is bored? i dont get it.

because robbie has no clue how affiliates generate traffic now.

V_RocKs · 07-26-2010, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SiMpLe

I've read all 12 pages of this thread

I went from 1 to 2 to 11 to 12... did I miss anything?

Barefootsies · 07-26-2010, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I don't think he can do much harm. Brazzers hasn't needed affiliates for a while now. They pretty much took all the traffic from us tgps with Pornhub. So I can't make sales with them now. And the few guys like Freeones that do have a bit of traffic left and are affiliates of Brazzers aren't gonna pull the plug on making money with them over anything said on GFY.

So I don't see that he is gonna do any harm at all arguing with people whom don't even promote them anyway. ~shrug~

Best I can tell, nobody in this thread can do Brazzers any harm or any good one way or another.

This is the best reply ever.

There is nothing that is going to change because of this thread. If anything, they picked up some more people applying to be an affiliate. Despite the fact they no longer need them.

The whales, and affiliates making money are not going to stop using Brazzers based on some message board drama. The band marches on. Plain and simple. Money talks.

Robbie · 07-26-2010, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

because robbie has no clue how affiliates generate traffic now.

You got that right. I've only been doing this since forever. I can see what I have left.
AND I see what affiliates are sending to my paysites. Guys that were sending 20,000 uniques a day to me in 1997 are sending 200 uniques a WEEK now. You should get a clue before you talk to me about traffic. It's something I've made a real good living off of for longer than most have been in the online business. I'll tell you what, when ONE affiliate can send me more than 1,000 uniques in a day I'll come back here and tell you what a fucking genius you are. Until then, I'll just go with REALITY. And reality is that most surfers are now at the big illegit tube sites like Pornhub. They aren't at our tgp's anymore. They aren't reading our blogs in any substantial number. And they aren't coming in by the thousands from all of our "genius" work on search engines.

Who can blame them? Do YOU have something as big as Pornhub that can have that many surfers a day? Of course you don't. And neither do I.

Agent 488 · 07-26-2010, 05:31 PM

ok then.

Robbie · 07-26-2010, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

ok then.

I'm just saying that YES affiliates are still sending some traffic. I still send good traffic and make a few sales here and there. But NOTHING like it was just 2 years ago. And it has zero to do with "adapting" or some new mysterious super duper cool new way of sending traffic that people like me just can't figure out...

No, it is simple: YOU CAN'T COMPETE WITH FREE.

As an affiliate, neither I nor anyone else can have the kind of traffic numbers we once had when every surfer in the world knows about Pornhub. And we can't have the kinds of sales numbers we once had when every surfer in the world knows about bit torrents and file sharing sites.

It's no longer a handful of folks who have "inside info" on where to get free shit (the way it always was before). Now, it's every kid in high school already knows to go to Pornhub to watch and rapidshare to download.

You tell me. How do I compete with that? How do any affiliates compete with that?

There's a good reason why so many affiliates have left the business.

There are still some like myself who still make enough money to make a damn good living. But it's NOT what it was just 2 years ago. Instead of 90 grand a month...it's 25 grand a month. And that's here on the high end.

The guys who were making 10 grand a month a couple of years ago are all but done now.

bdjerk · 07-26-2010, 10:13 PM

guaranteed that a significant portion of pornhubs traffic is underage surfers. no protections what so ever to see the most bizarre sex acts on their tubes. what do you think the percentage of their traffic is that's underage? i'd guess at least 25%.

Robbie · 07-26-2010, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bdjerk

guaranteed that a significant portion of pornhubs traffic is underage surfers. no protections what so ever to see the most bizarre sex acts on their tubes. what do you think the percentage of their traffic is that's underage? i'd guess at least 25%.

I always thought the teenage boys surfing our tgps were at least 50%. Pornhub is probably the same or even more.

That's not a bad thing by the way. It was how we cultivated future signups if you think about it. And that's the nightmare of the damage that has been done.

For the last 2 to 3 years all those teenage guys have stopped coming to tgps and instead go to tubes like Pornhub.

It used to be they came to us. And they had to wait years to get old enough to finally get a bank account and a debit/credit card to FINALLY get to see full scenes. And when that time came they were READY to buy.

Obviously that has now changed. And we have already lost at least 3 "internet generations" of new customers.

Even if all the free full scenes came down today, it would still take a couple of years to bring in the next batch of guys legally able to buy a membership.

On a side note: I always thought: "Wow! If only my tgps had been in existence when I was 15 years old it would have been GREAT! Instead of jerking to that one worn out copy of Penthouse I stole from under my Dad's bed." And that was just a few pics or a 10 second clip on a gallery.

I can only imagine how GREAT it must be for teen boys now with full scenes.

munki · 07-26-2010, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

I went from 1 to 2 to 11 to 12... did I miss anything?

will76 · 07-27-2010, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I always thought the teenage boys surfing our tgps were at least 50%. Pornhub is probably the same or even more.

That's not a bad thing by the way. It was how we cultivated future signups if you think about it. And that's the nightmare of the damage that has been done.

For the last 2 to 3 years all those teenage guys have stopped coming to tgps and instead go to tubes like Pornhub.

It used to be they came to us. And they had to wait years to get old enough to finally get a bank account and a debit/credit card to FINALLY get to see full scenes. And when that time came they were READY to buy.

Obviously that has now changed. And we have already lost at least 3 "internet generations" of new customers.

Even if all the free full scenes came down today, it would still take a couple of years to bring in the next batch of guys legally able to buy a membership.

On a side note: I always thought: "Wow! If only my tgps had been in existence when I was 15 years old it would have been GREAT! Instead of jerking to that one worn out copy of Penthouse I stole from under my Dad's bed." And that was just a few pics or a 10 second clip on a gallery.

I can only imagine how GREAT it must be for teen boys now with full scenes.

not sure I would post openly how you were cultivating young boys who were not old enough to buy into becoming porn buyers once they were old enough to get a checking account/ credit card.

And that 50% of the surfers on your tgp was underage AND that wasn't a bad thing.

it might be a fact, but i wouldn't go around broadcasting that like it part of your marketing strategy to cultivate under age users into potential future porn buyers.

theking · 07-27-2010, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

not sure I would post openly how you were cultivating young boys who were not old enough to buy into becoming porn buyers once they were old enough to get a checking account/ credit card.

And that 50% of the surfers on your tgp was underage AND that wasn't a bad thing.

it might be a fact, but i wouldn't go around broadcasting that like it part of your marketing strategy to cultivate under age users into potential future porn buyers.

I concur. In fact I think that post should be removed from this board.

Roald · 07-27-2010, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I'll tell you what, when ONE affiliate can send me more than 1,000 uniques in a day I'll come back here and tell you what a fucking genius you are.

Now tell him he's a fucking genius ;)

I hear what you mean though

boneprone · 07-27-2010, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Fabian, hire someone with PR experience to handle your damage limitation and stop posting here.

You're doing more harm than good.

Damian

I hear The Anal Hobbit is free. I think he would fit right in with your company's new culture. He would be a very special hire for you and the perfect fit.

Mr. Cool Ice · 07-27-2010, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm just saying that YES affiliates are still sending some traffic. I still send good traffic and make a few sales here and there. But NOTHING like it was just 2 years ago. And it has zero to do with "adapting" or some new mysterious super duper cool new way of sending traffic that people like me just can't figure out...

No, it is simple: YOU CAN'T COMPETE WITH FREE.

As an affiliate, neither I nor anyone else can have the kind of traffic numbers we once had when every surfer in the world knows about Pornhub. And we can't have the kinds of sales numbers we once had when every surfer in the world knows about bit torrents and file sharing sites.

It's no longer a handful of folks who have "inside info" on where to get free shit (the way it always was before). Now, it's every kid in high school already knows to go to Pornhub to watch and rapidshare to download.

You tell me. How do I compete with that? How do any affiliates compete with that?

There's a good reason why so many affiliates have left the business.

There are still some like myself who still make enough money to make a damn good living. But it's NOT what it was just 2 years ago. Instead of 90 grand a month...it's 25 grand a month. And that's here on the high end.

The guys who were making 10 grand a month a couple of years ago are all but done now.

I just read every post in this thread and this one stood out as the one worth commenting on. It is correct from the start to the end.

None of you can compete with free. There is no adapting to the current business model. There is free and there is not free. That's it. It just so happens that free holds all the traffic and dominates the search engines. If any of you had any real business sense at all you would understand that.

Very few will pay for something if they can get it for free or something close enough to it for free. Why would you? You could pay for a $29,950 car that is exactly what you want or you can take the free car that is very close to what you want, but it's free and you save $29,000. Which would you take? $29,950 vs $29.95 is relative. Free is free. Regardless of the market the vast majority of people who always choose free when it is an option.

The question was also raised about boys looking at porno. I started at the age of 13 looking at bra and panty ads in the paper. That was my porn until I found Playboy around 16 years of age. Now, a boy of any age can look at hardcore pornography for free, anytime day or night. There are no restrictions. Those who are running these sites are providing hardcore porno to minors, plain and simple. Then again, so is everyone with a free tour that is explicit.

There is but one way to do this, but you will never do it. Each and every one of you MUST boycott any company that does business with these sites. From hosting to billing to those who buy ads there. It will be painful but I assure you that however painful it will be, it's not going to hurt as much as you're going to hurt in two more years by doing nothing. Most of you will be out of business by then.

One good hosting company needs to stand up and declare NO to illegal tube sites, file hosting or any other site that falls under that category. Everyone then needs to leave their current company for that one. The other hosts will get the message and soon get on board. Support only those who support you in return. NO EXCEPTIONS. NO BROS. NO EXCUSES.

The same goes for your sponsors, web cams, 3rd part billers, companies like NATS and MPA3, everyone. Boycott EVERYONE who supports these sites. Only then will changes happen. Yes it will be painful, but not as painful as what is coming.

Of course this will never happen, but I have given you 1 solution. You have the power to resolve a lot of your own problems but are all afraid to act. No one wants to be the odd man out or the lone cowboy in this industry.

Good luck. Most of you won't be here in two more years.

fris · 07-27-2010, 08:14 AM

1000 unqiues is nothing, im not happy unless i can send at least 10k uniques to a single sponsor, which isnt hard

Robbie · 07-27-2010, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald

Now tell him he's a fucking genius ;)

I hear what you mean though

Ok, he's a genius! Freeones can send a thousand uniques in a day.

bdjerk · 07-27-2010, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Cool Ice

Good luck. Most of you won't be here in two more years.

oh, they'll still be here. broke. busted. abused. but they'll still be here acting like the broke players they are. being all big boy, when in fact they're flat broke.

07-25-2010, 04:24 AM	#553
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	ADG, One reason I am not answering your post is that you do not care about the answers anyway. If you would care, you would not ask questions I have answered previously, neither would you act like a 5 year old and post pictures or trying to redicule me. All you care about is stirring this up over and over again, even me answering these questions again would just make you post some stupid picture and then claim I am just lying anyway. The main reason I am not answering though is that you have not only threatened me, but you actually had the nerve to threaten my family. This is not a game ADG, this is business. If all you can do is threaten, post pics and make confusing remarks to try to make me look bad, then I do not care what you think of me or Manwin. I have invited you to Miami to talk, you declined that, I am not going to invite you again. This is my last post in this thread. If you would have just been a standup guy and not resorted to name calling and threats, I would have actually answered your questions again. But you have stepped clearly over any rational way of dealing with this so the subject is closed for me. __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

07-25-2010, 07:50 AM	#557
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	ADG, you are doing plenty of things you can really only be doing to try to harm me... there is absolutely no other reason to do so otherwise, thus, every single post of yours is a threat. Things included are btw: - posting questions I have answered multiple times already, just to make it seem as if I did not for people reading only parts of the thread - continuously claiming how you are so nice and not asking other questions you could ask which would harm my family in your opinion (this btw is a threat) - posting my full name on this board, although I really really do not care that you do, you obviously only do it because you think it pisses me off in some way This is also why I find it useless to answer your questions, since you will simply not let go anyway... but, that said, I will still answer them one more final time, but I am 99.99% sure that you will not care and will just go on since you will simply claim I am lying... I am also posting this for the other people in this thread who have been very friendly in asking questions compared to you... So we will see how much your word is worth... 1) There are no other shareholders other than people that have very low %age of shares for incentive reasons in a big business. If you do not understand why I can not post confidential information like this, so be it, but I can not, its not my place to do so. Also, as I have stated before, we are talking max 1-2%. 2) Nobody 3) No role 4) Nothing there changed currently. 5) Manwin was started this year. The second part of the question I have answered in 1 and 2. 6) Noone acquired Mansef, we acquired their assets. As we have stated in multiple locations in this thread and in press releases, 1st of March 2010. You are misinformed when the US Gov case against Mansef was started I think, and regarding Pink Visual, yes as you yourself know very well it was filed end of February 2010. If you think this shows that this is a fake transaction, then I suggest you wait until the court cases are concluded, since before that is the case, anything you think in this regard is simply based on misinformation or not enough knowledge of the situation. 7) he never was a part of Manwin. He did work for me for a couple of months end of 2008, beginning 2009, to find more possible acquisitions simply because he has a lot of contacts in the industry. 8) Stan was, but nolonger is. As I have said previously also btw and you simply chose to ignore this. Things change. 9) I have had a business relationship with Sundin many many years ago until he ripped me off and now owes me money from a group of services we owned together with a 3rd person named Preston Garisson (sp?). 10) We already do that. Well, it depends on what you call "industry-wide" I guess... __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

07-25-2010, 08:15 AM	#559
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07-25-2010, 01:38 PM	#564
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07-26-2010, 11:40 AM	#572
Tickler Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 650	The Feds will just be looking for places to order DVDs from so they can setup more junk prosecutions. And checking out all the hot babes hoping to get lucky __________________ Big Sister Live - Live sex club paid in Euros Why all the PSYCHIC ads in the papers, and on TV? Makes $$$s on the web @ Psychic Access

07-25-2010, 07:52 AM	#558
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	see sig.

07-25-2010, 08:29 AM	#561
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	they don't owe anyone any answers. 99% of programs will do business with them. i'm surprised they bothered responding to a couple old trolls trolling.

07-25-2010, 05:32 PM	#565
pornstar2fag So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 544	i hear feds be at avn very good source

07-26-2010, 08:22 AM	#569
Qbert Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Dark Side of the Moon Posts: 813	Rumour or not I bet it's enough to make Nathan/Fabian a no show.

07-26-2010, 08:24 AM	#570
DamianJ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A magical land Posts: 15,808	Fabian, hire someone with PR experience to handle your damage limitation and stop posting here. You're doing more harm than good. Damian

07-26-2010, 03:31 PM	#580
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	nathan IS the pr person. hope no one really thinks the owners changed.

07-26-2010, 03:36 PM	#583
SiMpLe Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Porn Central - California Posts: 3,221	I've read all 12 pages of this thread __________________ Sean Holland Vice President OrbitalPay / Global Electronic Technology (GET) SKYPE: iam.sean ::: sholland at orbitalpay.com 888-775-1500

07-26-2010, 05:31 PM	#588
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	ok then.

07-26-2010, 10:13 PM	#590
bdjerk Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 219	guaranteed that a significant portion of pornhubs traffic is underage surfers. no protections what so ever to see the most bizarre sex acts on their tubes. what do you think the percentage of their traffic is that's underage? i'd guess at least 25%. __________________ bdjerk inc.

07-27-2010, 08:14 AM	#598
fris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 55,262	1000 unqiues is nothing, im not happy unless i can send at least 10k uniques to a single sponsor, which isnt hard __________________ Since 1999: 69 Adult Industry awards for Best Hosting Company and professional excellence. WP Stuff