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Amputate Your Head · 07-23-2010, 11:23 AM

Try living in the condo beneath two Chinese gymnasts. I did it for 1 1/2 years. I wanted to kill them.

Smokieflame · 07-23-2010, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

I didn't say I supported illegal immigration. I just find it incredibly humorous that people attach all this stuff to illegals, and have nothing to say about the rest of the people that do the exact same things.

I agree with this comment yet I disagree with it. Look at it like this, if we have to deal with black, or white gangs and/or criminals it is an american problem. We do have alot of these problems, so why do we want to add Illegals into this already over loaded problem??

Like it or not our southern boarder has a war going on. Neither the Mexican government or our Federal government will do shit about it. Our working class citizens are being killed, kidnapped, robbed, raped, and terrorized. Whats funny is we wont tolerate this from people who live on the other side of the world yet we should tolerate it at our back door?

Smokieflame · 07-23-2010, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way

What's the secret to telling regular Mexicans from illegals?

Legal immigrants from any nation are required to speak english at a 3rd grade level and understand US history at a 4th grade level. Pretty easy to spot the illegals with these very simple tactics.

jimmy-3-way · 07-23-2010, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Smokieflame

Legal immigrants from any nation are required to speak english at a 3rd grade level and understand US history at a 4th grade level. Pretty easy to spot the illegals with these very simple tactics.

What about those crafty ones that can speak English but don't like to?

All the cooks at my local taco shop speak nothing but Spanish - do you think they are illegal? I wonder if I should report them.

But they make SUCH good burritos...

Amputate Your Head · 07-23-2010, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Smokieflame

I agree with this comment yet I disagree with it. Look at it like this, if we have to deal with black, or white gangs and/or criminals it is an american problem. We do have alot of these problems, so why do we want to add Illegals into this already over loaded problem??

Like it or not our southern boarder has a war going on. Neither the Mexican government or our Federal government will do shit about it. Our working class citizens are being killed, kidnapped, robbed, raped, and terrorized. Whats funny is we wont tolerate this from people who live on the other side of the world yet we should tolerate it at our back door?

So we've switched now from "they suck the economic resources" to "they are bad neighbors" to "the Border War" that has nothing to do with some guy living in Phoenix or Virginia. Okay.

We can't stop gangs in our own cities. We certainly can't secure the border for real with what we've got down there. Although that's sort of moot since the AZ law in question has nothing to do with securing the border in any capacity. It only covers rounding up the evil brown workers.

d-null · 07-23-2010, 11:42 AM

Smokieflame · 07-23-2010, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

So we've switched now from "they suck the economic resources" to "they are bad neighbors" to "the Border War" that has nothing to do with some guy living in Phoenix or Virginia. Okay.

We can't stop gangs in our own cities. We certainly can't secure the border for real with what we've got down there. Although that's sort of moot since the AZ law in question has nothing to do with securing the border in any capacity. It only covers rounding up the evil brown workers.

Sigh... Trolling... I am very strong in this, yes they are horrible neighbors, yes they are a serious drain on our resources... This will lead to more drop house arrests, more coyote arrests, and this will in fact slow down the effectiveness the smugglers have in AZ.

I do agree tho, nothing will stop them from coming here until Mexico gets its head out of its ass and fixes its own problems. I vote for a Great Wall of Mexico!

And no just b/c someone chooses to speak there native language does not make them illegal, however if they are fully unable to speak english to police officers then that is a reason to ask for documents. I speak perfect english being i was born here, however cops still ask me for ID when they have to talk to me, EVEN if I call the cops I still have to provide ID for a warrant check.

Vendzilla · 07-23-2010, 11:44 AM

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I think I'm related to the 3rd guy from the left

Tom_PM · 07-23-2010, 11:45 AM

I think a lot of the automatic rejection from even prominent people nationally is based on fears of how they think it could play out if the cops intentions are corrupt. So thats a separate issue. Cops could tase a woman 12 times after she called them frightened that a prowler might be outside. So of course bad cops could fuck anything up royally.

I think it needs to play out, and Arizona will change with the will of it's people, if the people so decide.

Vendzilla · 07-23-2010, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

So we've switched now from "they suck the economic resources" to "they are bad neighbors" to "the Border War" that has nothing to do with some guy living in Phoenix or Virginia. Okay.

We can't stop gangs in our own cities. We certainly can't secure the border for real with what we've got down there. Although that's sort of moot since the AZ law in question has nothing to do with securing the border in any capacity. It only covers rounding up the evil brown workers.

If we ran a 3 fence system with surveillance and border patrol stepping up operations, yes we can.
Then have military exercises along the border

Smokieflame · 07-23-2010, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

I think a lot of the automatic rejection from even prominent people nationally is based on fears of how they think it could play out if the cops intentions are corrupt. So thats a separate issue. Cops could tase a woman 12 times after she called them frightened that a prowler might be outside. So of course bad cops could fuck anything up royally.

I think it needs to play out, and Arizona will change with the will of it's people, if the people so decide.

Very VERY well put. Just b/c a cop chooses to be an ass, does not mean teh laws he is supposed to uphold are wrong. Hell in 04 there was a 15 year old shot by 6 cops, all cops unloaded there guns on the teen for wielding a knife, the kid never once attacked a cop he just wielded a knife. That is cops going to far. SO yep it can and most likely will happen. Until our cops are robots we will always have this issue.

split_joel · 07-23-2010, 11:51 AM

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Well there ya go. It took a few hours today, but I learned something new. I wasn't aware Virginia was a hotbed of illegal immigrant activity.

I am sorry but your arguments are simply pethedic. The federal goverment has failed to protect our borders it is as simple as that. If you are a legal in this country I do not mind being asked to prove it, honestly it should be like that everywhere. This country is in debt, states are in debt, illegals are a huge part of that debt esp on the state level. AZ law must be passed as legal or this country is over, proving the Federal Gov has everyone one of us chained by our necks.

Smokieflame · 07-23-2010, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

If we ran a 3 fence system with surveillance and border patrol stepping up operations, yes we can.
Then have military exercises along the border

Yep just like the korean border...

Vendzilla · 07-23-2010, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

I think a lot of the automatic rejection from even prominent people nationally is based on fears of how they think it could play out if the cops intentions are corrupt. So thats a separate issue. Cops could tase a woman 12 times after she called them frightened that a prowler might be outside. So of course bad cops could fuck anything up royally.

I think it needs to play out, and Arizona will change with the will of it's people, if the people so decide.

Good point, but the people have decided and Barry is telling them their decision is wrong, what does that tell you about our president?

Sly · 07-23-2010, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way

What about those crafty ones that can speak English but don't like to?

All the cooks at my local taco shop speak nothing but Spanish - do you think they are illegal? I wonder if I should report them.

But they make SUCH good burritos...

No, they receive the Burrito Exemption. Check Article VII section 3e.

brassmonkey · 07-23-2010, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Smokieflame

I live in AZ and this law is not as evil as people seem to think. First off I had to live next door to illegal immigrants who non stop started problems. Every time we called the cops they wouldn't do anything b/c there hands were tied by not being legally able to ask for documents which is bullshit. If you are a US citizen and you are walking down the street without ID you can be arrested, finger printed, and given a $400 ticket. I know from experience. In all other countries if you are visiting on a passport and you do not have your passport when a cop talks to you, you can be charged with a crime and immediately deported out of the country, this goes for Americans just as much as Mexicans. So yes our cops should have the right to ask someone who does not speak English at all for documents. It is in FACT a requirement to speak English at a 3rd grade level to become a citizen, and if you are working on your citizenship the proper way you should have documents.

Maricopa County Sheriffs office has also stated they will be going one step farther, if someone claims to be legal, or pending legal they will not take them directly to jail, they will take them to there home for them to provide proof of legal status.

I personally hope they kick every illegal out of our country. Its a blatant disrespect to all the immigrants that have worked there asses off to become a citizen the right way. Just because Mexico sucks does not mean we should give up our jobs, our resources and our neighborhoods to these people. Illegals are VERY rude people, even the workers. They play there carnival music VERY loud at all hours, they party heavily, 1 in 3 illegal immigrants children join gangs such as MS-13, which is the most violent gang in America and is 80% illegals or children of illegals. It is so bad, that MS-13 is in Elementary schools in wealthier areas!!!

dayum true stuff the local gangs are lcm,brown pride, wetback power is the biggest in Az

Amputate Your Head · 07-23-2010, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by split_joel

I am sorry but your arguments are simply pethedic. The federal goverment has failed to protect our borders it is as simple as that. If you are a legal in this country I do not mind being asked to prove it, honestly it should be like that everywhere. This country is in debt, states are in debt, illegals are a huge part of that debt esp on the state level. AZ law must be passed as legal or this country is over, proving the Federal Gov has everyone one of us chained by our necks.

Our "borders" have never been more protected than they are right now. The circus at the airports are evidence of that. Our surveillance and military are as advanced as ever. We can pick out a flea's ass in full HD from fucking space. We are fully capable of locking down our border with Mexico if so desired.

This AZ law is just racial profiling. It doesn't solve anything. What's to stop them from coming right back over the border? What's to stop them in NM, TX, or CA?

Smokieflame · 07-23-2010, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Our "borders" have never been more protected than they are right now. The circus at the airports are evidence of that. Our surveillance and military are as advanced as ever. We can pick out a flea's ass in full HD from fucking space. We are fully capable of locking down our border with Mexico if so desired.

This AZ law is just racial profiling. It doesn't solve anything. What's to stop them from coming right back over the border? What's to stop them in NM, TX, or CA?

this is in fact the dumbest thing I have ever heard anyone say.

brassmonkey · 07-23-2010, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Smokieflame

this is in fact the dumbest thing I have ever heard anyone say.

im slacking off

funny stuff. amp makes me laugh.

Amputate Your Head · 07-23-2010, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Smokieflame

this is in fact the dumbest thing I have ever heard anyone say.

Step 1. Man crosses US border illegally.
Step 2. Man gets job working in field.
Step 3. Man is hassled by the po-po outside Home Depot one day.
Step 4. Man is arrested & deported to Mexico.
Step 5. Goto Step 1.

How does this law fix this again? Seems to me that it only adds unnecessary tension in the Hispanic community.

Vendzilla · 07-23-2010, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Our "borders" have never been more protected than they are right now. The circus at the airports are evidence of that. Our surveillance and military are as advanced as ever. We can pick out a flea's ass in full HD from fucking space. We are fully capable of locking down our border with Mexico if so desired.

This AZ law is just racial profiling. It doesn't solve anything. What's to stop them from coming right back over the border? What's to stop them in NM, TX, or CA?

It may be more secure, but if they have to put up signs like this, then it's not enough

Amputate Your Head · 07-23-2010, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

It may be more secure, but if they have to put up signs like this, then it's not enough

They put up warning signs around prisons too. Are you suggesting there are homicidal escaped prisoners running loose, free & wild across the American countryside?

Vendzilla · 07-23-2010, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Step 1. Man crosses US border illegally.
Step 2. Man gets job working in field.
Step 3. Man is hassled by the po-po outside Home Depot one day.
Step 4. Man is arrested & deported to Mexico.
Step 5. Goto Step 1.

How does this law fix this again? Seems to me that it only adds unnecessary tension in the Hispanic community.

Actually, it caused the president to step up with ICE on arrests, when November comes and the senate gets some new blood and the US citizens keep up on this, hopefully it will result in a new shiny fence!

Sly · 07-23-2010, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Step 1. Man crosses US border illegally.
Step 2. Man gets job working in field.
Step 3. Man is hassled by the po-po outside Home Depot one day.
Step 4. Man is arrested & deported to Mexico.
Step 5. Goto Step 1.

How does this law fix this again? Seems to me that it only adds unnecessary tension in the Hispanic community.

You could make that very same argument for practically any crime. The minute said person gets out of jail, they can go back to committing the same crimes. Which they often do.

So I guess we can either keep them in jail indefinitely or never put them in jail at all?

Vendzilla · 07-23-2010, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

They put up warning signs around prisons too. Are you suggesting there are homicidal escaped prisoners running loose, free & wild across the American countryside?

So you agree that we should treat the border just like prisons and build a fence and patrol it with enough armed guards to keep people on the other side of that fence?

brassmonkey · 07-23-2010, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

It may be more secure, but if they have to put up signs like this, then it's not enough

hahaha!!!! that is

keep them coming!

DateDoc · 07-23-2010, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Our "borders" have never been more protected than they are right now. The circus at the airports are evidence of that. Our surveillance and military are as advanced as ever. We can pick out a flea's ass in full HD from fucking space. We are fully capable of locking down our border with Mexico if so desired.

This AZ law is just racial profiling. It doesn't solve anything. What's to stop them from coming right back over the border? What's to stop them in NM, TX, or CA?

You are finally beginning to understand. You are 100% correct that the US is capable of locking down the border. The problem is, until now, this was left to the federal government which has chosen to look the other way. Arizonans have decided to pass a law so they can protect themselves where the federal government has chosen not too.

Amputate Your Head · 07-23-2010, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

So you agree that we should treat the border just like prisons and build a fence and patrol it with enough armed guards to keep people on the other side of that fence?

If you want to secure the border, that's how it's done. There is no other way. I'm not sayig that's the way to go, but that is how it's done. Anything less is considered the "Honor System".

Amputate Your Head · 07-23-2010, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DateDoc

You are finally beginning to understand. You are 100% correct that the US is capable of locking down the border. The problem is, until now, this was left to the federal government which has chosen to look the other way. Arizonans have decided to pass a law so they can protect themselves where the federal government has chosen not too.

And how does this "protect" them from illegals crossing the border? No one has answered this. It doesn't stop illegals coming over the AZ / Mexico border, and does nothing to stop illegals from coming into AZ through CA or NM.

EDIT: I'm not "finally beginning to understand"... lol
I've always understood just fine. People don't always understand me though. ;-)

DateDoc · 07-23-2010, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

And how does this "protect" them from illegals crossing the border? No one has answered this. It doesn't stop illegals coming over the AZ / Mexico border, and does nothing to stop illegals from coming into AZ through CA or NM.

Illegal aliens will always take the path of least resistance. They want to be as unnoticed as possible so they do not end up getting deported. With the new law, how many of them do you think will stay in AZ?

Amputate Your Head · 07-23-2010, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DateDoc

Illegal aliens will always take the path of least resistance. They want to be as unnoticed as possible so they do not end up getting deported. With the new law, how many of them do you think will stay in AZ?

The good, honest ones... the workers... will most likely leave. Many already have. So what Arizona will be left with are the ones that have a vested financial interest in staying. The drug runners, gangs, thieves, killers and other nefarious criminals.

Congratulations. A real step forward there.

Smokieflame · 07-23-2010, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

The good, honest ones... the workers... will most likely leave. Many already have. So what Arizona will be left with are the ones that have a vested financial interest in staying. The drug runners, gangs, thieves, killers and other nefarious criminals.

Congratulations. A real step forward there.

The honest ones??? You do realize the honest immigrants go thru the proper channels and become legal citizens. If they came here illegally they started there stay here on a dishonest note, what else are they willing to do to make money? Again just another dumb really really dumb comment. Oh and BTW the drug runners also like the path of least resistance.... Since Cali dont like our law, Cali can have all the illegals you guys deal with it LOL.

brassmonkey · 07-23-2010, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

And how does this "protect" them from illegals crossing the border? No one has answered this. It doesn't stop illegals coming over the AZ / Mexico border, and does nothing to stop illegals from coming into AZ through CA or NM.

EDIT: I'm not "finally beginning to understand"... lol
I've always understood just fine. People don't always understand me though. ;-)

we are just removing the get pass the border and your safe. we are attacking the problem in the roots now.

the feds can look the other way. utah has an overflow of illegals. they had to have a special session. its time to put pressure on obama.

Smokieflame · 07-23-2010, 12:37 PM

And please do remember we arent a fucked up country. If you are cuban and you make it to land you are a refuge and will not be deported, this is b/c cuba is FUCKED up. Mexico isnt fucked up they are just poor and stupid. SO there for there people are not refuges, they are ILLEGAL!!!

Sly · 07-23-2010, 12:39 PM

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And please do remember we arent a fucked up country. If you are cuban and you make it to land you are a refuge and will not be deported, this is b/c cuba is FUCKED up. Mexico isnt fucked up they are just poor and stupid. SO there for there people are not refuges, they are ILLEGAL!!!

LOL. I don't know about that. Mexico is pretty fucked up. Cuba? No. But I really don't blame people for wanting to come here. I do however want them to be properly accounted for and go through a proper process of becoming a resident, like other immigrants do.

Amputate Your Head · 07-23-2010, 12:43 PM

I've realized that the problem most people have with illegals is purely based on race. And I know, a lot of people will get all cyber-"offended' by that, but when you boil it all down to the very essence of the core of nuts & bolts, it's true.

Let's debunk some of the other "reasons".

They make bad neighbors.
So does everyone else.

They use hospital ER care without paying for it!
So do a ton of other people of all flavors.

They use our schools!
You cry about them not speaking English, but don't want them to learn?

How are they supposed to acquire English, through osmosis? And besides, our public schools are fucking horrible anyway. Is it really a big loss?

They are criminals!
Technically this is true. Hence the term, "illegal immigrant". And if there is anyone here who has never broken a single law in their life, step forward. There are 90-year-old grandmothers breaking laws right now. Breaking one law does not make someone a career criminal. Most illegals simply want a job and a better life, not to be the next Scarface.

They don't pay taxes!
Yes, they do. You just can't see it because you choose not to look.

If you eliminate these big ones, there's not much left except race.

Smokieflame · 07-23-2010, 12:52 PM

well if a LEGAL citizen is a pain in teh ass, owes a doc bill, breaks laws, or what ever then thats our problem as a country. If ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS do it, it is our right to kick them the fuck out!

And ya i really believe all those illegals that are paid $5 an hour cash pay taxes... They only pay taxes when they buy stuff.

Smokieflame · 07-23-2010, 12:53 PM

Basically in your eyes we should just let everyone who wants to be here to come here??? Do you have children that go to school? Do you understand the frontline drain these people in masses are putting on our system?? Your argument would hold up if there was a small number of illegals, but one major problems there are millions of them!

sarettah · 07-23-2010, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

You and I both know that in practice on the street, the AZ police will be targeting Hispanics, not white Frenchmen. Don't be ridiculous.

ah, but you can't take action on how something "might" be enforced. You have to wait for them to do it, then you can take action against it.

TheDoc · 07-23-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

I've realized that the problem most people have with illegals is purely based on race. And I know, a lot of people will get all cyber-"offended' by that, but when you boil it all down to the very essence of the core of nuts & bolts, it's true.

Let's debunk some of the other "reasons".

They make bad neighbors.
So does everyone else.

They use hospital ER care without paying for it!
So do a ton of other people of all flavors.

They use our schools!
You cry about them not speaking English, but don't want them to learn?

How are they supposed to acquire English, through osmosis? And besides, our public schools are fucking horrible anyway. Is it really a big loss?

They are criminals!
Technically this is true. Hence the term, "illegal immigrant". And if there is anyone here who has never broken a single law in their life, step forward. There are 90-year-old grandmothers breaking laws right now. Breaking one law does not make someone a career criminal. Most illegals simply want a job and a better life, not to be the next Scarface.

They don't pay taxes!
Yes, they do. You just can't see it because you choose not to look.

If you eliminate these big ones, there's not much left except race.

Plenty of big ones to go through...

They slow down the medical system, cost it/us money, slow down response times - more than any other group. They create more violence, engage in human and drug trafficking, they take more from the system than they pay in, before counting all the untaxed money that is sent straight out of the Country. The repeat violent criminal stats on illegals is staggering. They do occupy jobs that Americans apply for, they do hire each other and keep Americans out. They cost the schools money with no money put back in for it, it's a total loss. They purchase homes/goods and walk away often taking with them what they can, and no way to track them down. They fraud people through identity theft. They clog up our legal system and prisons, costing us even more money. They don't have car insurance, registration, or a DL - breaking all those laws, causing wrecks and deaths, causing our emergency/police to respond more, then driving away with no way to track them down.

I'm bored now...

Hawkeye · 07-23-2010, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way

What's the secret to telling regular Mexicans from illegals?

You give police the power to check their immigration status. Just like Arizona is doing.

Any more stupid questions?

Socks · 07-23-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Smokieflame

I live in AZ and this law is not as evil as people seem to think. First off I had to live next door to illegal immigrants who non stop started problems. Every time we called the cops they wouldn't do anything b/c there hands were tied by not being legally able to ask for documents which is bullshit. If you are a US citizen and you are walking down the street without ID you can be arrested, finger printed, and given a $400 ticket. I know from experience. In all other countries if you are visiting on a passport and you do not have your passport when a cop talks to you, you can be charged with a crime and immediately deported out of the country, this goes for Americans just as much as Mexicans. So yes our cops should have the right to ask someone who does not speak English at all for documents. It is in FACT a requirement to speak English at a 3rd grade level to become a citizen, and if you are working on your citizenship the proper way you should have documents.

Maricopa County Sheriffs office has also stated they will be going one step farther, if someone claims to be legal, or pending legal they will not take them directly to jail, they will take them to there home for them to provide proof of legal status.

I personally hope they kick every illegal out of our country. Its a blatant disrespect to all the immigrants that have worked there asses off to become a citizen the right way. Just because Mexico sucks does not mean we should give up our jobs, our resources and our neighborhoods to these people. Illegals are VERY rude people, even the workers. They play there carnival music VERY loud at all hours, they party heavily, 1 in 3 illegal immigrants children join gangs such as MS-13, which is the most violent gang in America and is 80% illegals or children of illegals. It is so bad, that MS-13 is in Elementary schools in wealthier areas!!!

Are you as evil as this post seems?

Amputate Your Head · 07-23-2010, 01:14 PM

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Basically in your eyes we should just let everyone who wants to be here to come here???

As long as they aren't on some Interpol list or something, sure. Why shouldn't everyone have a shot at coming here? Legally of course.

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Do you have children that go to school?

I did, at one time. I went too.

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Originally Posted by Smokieflame

Do you understand the frontline drain these people in masses are putting on our system??

Yes. I also understand the drain our legal citizens put on it too. We have many more legal citizens than illegal immigrants. So I'd love to see the portion of lost resources dedicated to helping legals that don't pay in comparison.

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Your argument would hold up if there was a small number of illegals, but one major problems there are millions of them!

And millions of homeless, gangbangers, petty thieves, white-collar swindlers, religious scam artists, middle-class suburbanites that cheat on their taxes & game the system, corporations that game the system, government that games the system, politicians that game the government, thugs, poor people, people with no insurance, education funding cut to the bones, pharma companies charging a month's salary for 2 Tylenols, welfare families, section 8 housing, the Food Bank, the Salvation Army, Goodwill, outsourced Chinese slave labor, and on and on and on.

Why all the hatred for illegals if it's not about race? There are obviously many, many other fish to fry. Rounding up Mexicans is apparently much more dynamic & engaging I suppose than dealing with real problems that affect every single one of us daily. Arizona has a border war. I get it. Again, this AZ law does nothing to solve the problem. (or any problem for that matter)

Amputate Your Head · 07-23-2010, 01:17 PM

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Plenty of big ones to go through...

They slow down the medical system, cost it/us money, slow down response times - more than any other group. They create more violence, engage in human and drug trafficking, they take more from the system than they pay in, before counting all the untaxed money that is sent straight out of the Country. The repeat violent criminal stats on illegals is staggering. They do occupy jobs that Americans apply for, they do hire each other and keep Americans out. They cost the schools money with no money put back in for it, it's a total loss. They purchase homes/goods and walk away often taking with them what they can, and no way to track them down. They fraud people through identity theft. They clog up our legal system and prisons, costing us even more money. They don't have car insurance, registration, or a DL - breaking all those laws, causing wrecks and deaths, causing our emergency/police to respond more, then driving away with no way to track them down.

I'm bored now...

Why not simply do like Oakland? Revise policy so that police no longer respond to car wrecks or grand theft or burglary or anything, and require people to report that stuff online. Lots of savings there in resources. One website takes the place of 80 officers.

jimmy-3-way · 07-23-2010, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye

You give police the power to check their immigration status. Just like Arizona is doing.

Any more stupid questions?

Just one - do you understand the concept of sarcasm?

TheDoc · 07-23-2010, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Why not simply do like Oakland? Revise policy so that police no longer respond to car wrecks or grand theft or burglary or anything, and require people to report that stuff online. Lots of savings there in resources. One website takes the place of 80 officers.

Because that's why we pay taxes, and we aren't Oakland... why not remove the huge cost problem, so the people can have the protection they paid for?

Amputate Your Head · 07-23-2010, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Because that's why we pay taxes, and we aren't Oakland... why not remove the huge cost problem, so the people can have the protection they paid for?

Adapt or die. It's not just for porn any more.

Amputate Your Head · 07-23-2010, 01:27 PM

Honestly Doc, I'm not vested in this either way, I just like a good topic. It always fascinates me that people get so charged over illegals, but completely ignore much bigger problems that have been beating them over the heads for much longer.

eh, anyway... I gotta fuckin' do something here. It's already 1:30. I feel like a fucking sloth. Time for some sunshine.

TheDoc · 07-23-2010, 01:36 PM

Enjoy... we can debate the other finer points of life at a later time.

camperjohn64 · 07-23-2010, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Again, so if you happen to be Hispanic and out & about without your ID, you run the risk of being arrested & jailed until you can prove you are a citizen. There's no way this will stand as a valid law.

This law isn't directed at "hispanics". It's directed at Mexicans. People who are a different species than humans. Short, ugly, gencetically defective humans that come to USA and cut lawns and babysit because they don't have the genetic disposition to read.

07-23-2010, 11:23 AM	#51
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07-23-2010, 11:45 AM	#59
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	I think a lot of the automatic rejection from even prominent people nationally is based on fears of how they think it could play out if the cops intentions are corrupt. So thats a separate issue. Cops could tase a woman 12 times after she called them frightened that a prowler might be outside. So of course bad cops could fuck anything up royally. I think it needs to play out, and Arizona will change with the will of it's people, if the people so decide. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

07-23-2010, 12:37 PM	#84
Smokieflame Confirmed User Join Date: May 2008 Location: AZ Posts: 596	And please do remember we arent a fucked up country. If you are cuban and you make it to land you are a refuge and will not be deported, this is b/c cuba is FUCKED up. Mexico isnt fucked up they are just poor and stupid. SO there for there people are not refuges, they are ILLEGAL!!! __________________ Sig too big http://www.gfy.com/the-round-table/950962-rules-live.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT AVN DOT com

07-23-2010, 12:43 PM	#86
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	I've realized that the problem most people have with illegals is purely based on race. And I know, a lot of people will get all cyber-"offended' by that, but when you boil it all down to the very essence of the core of nuts & bolts, it's true. Let's debunk some of the other "reasons". They make bad neighbors. So does everyone else. They use hospital ER care without paying for it! So do a ton of other people of all flavors. They use our schools! You cry about them not speaking English, but don't want them to learn? How are they supposed to acquire English, through osmosis? And besides, our public schools are fucking horrible anyway. Is it really a big loss? They are criminals! Technically this is true. Hence the term, "illegal immigrant". And if there is anyone here who has never broken a single law in their life, step forward. There are 90-year-old grandmothers breaking laws right now. Breaking one law does not make someone a career criminal. Most illegals simply want a job and a better life, not to be the next Scarface. They don't pay taxes! Yes, they do. You just can't see it because you choose not to look. If you eliminate these big ones, there's not much left except race. __________________ SIG TOO BIG

07-23-2010, 12:52 PM	#87
Smokieflame Confirmed User Join Date: May 2008 Location: AZ Posts: 596	well if a LEGAL citizen is a pain in teh ass, owes a doc bill, breaks laws, or what ever then thats our problem as a country. If ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS do it, it is our right to kick them the fuck out! And ya i really believe all those illegals that are paid $5 an hour cash pay taxes... They only pay taxes when they buy stuff. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gfy.com/the-round-table/950962-rules-live.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT AVN DOT com

07-23-2010, 11:42 AM	#56
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07-23-2010, 12:53 PM	#88
Smokieflame Confirmed User Join Date: May 2008 Location: AZ Posts: 596	Basically in your eyes we should just let everyone who wants to be here to come here??? Do you have children that go to school? Do you understand the frontline drain these people in masses are putting on our system?? Your argument would hold up if there was a small number of illegals, but one major problems there are millions of them! __________________ Sig too big http://www.gfy.com/the-round-table/950962-rules-live.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT AVN DOT com

07-23-2010, 01:27 PM	#98
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	Honestly Doc, I'm not vested in this either way, I just like a good topic. It always fascinates me that people get so charged over illegals, but completely ignore much bigger problems that have been beating them over the heads for much longer. eh, anyway... I gotta fuckin' do something here. It's already 1:30. I feel like a fucking sloth. Time for some sunshine. __________________ SIG TOO BIG

07-23-2010, 01:36 PM	#99
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