I once bought a TGP but threw it away because it only made $6,000 per month.

[stocktrader23]

I also shut down a nearly hands free business when it dropped to $1,200 per month.

Damn times have changed.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Damn times have changed.

Indeed they have fine sire.

[L-Pink]

.

[epitome]

And now you're back looking for as little as $x,xxx in order to be able to launch a mainstream site (per another thread of yours).

Indeed, times have changed. That site making $6k a month that you killed would have been enough for you to get your new project off the ground without a financial partner.

20/20 hindsight, eh?

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by epitome

And now you're back looking for as little as $x,xxx in order to be able to launch a mainstream site (per another thread of yours).

Indeed, times have changed. That site making $6k a month that you killed would have been enough for you to get your new project off the ground without a financial partner.

20/20 hindsight, eh?

What thread is that? Not smart of him if he is looking for investors and then making a thread saying he threw away a site making 6k a month

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by epitome

And now you're back looking for as little as $x,xxx in order to be able to launch a mainstream site (per another thread of yours).

Indeed, times have changed. That site making $6k a month that you killed would have been enough for you to get your new project off the ground without a financial partner.

20/20 hindsight, eh?

I run a couple of offline businesses that I've been expanding for 2 years during a downturn in the economy. I have a partner in those businesses and all 'extra' money we get goes right back into growing them further. Myself, I just get a little old weekly draw that I use to take care of my family and my own life. I had a decent pile of money stockpiled but I have a couple of family members with serious health problems that I'm helping out and I'm not in the mood to tap into that either.

As for the post you referenced, I was purposefully vague but you've misunderstood what I was saying. I do have a mainstream business (not just a site) that I am in the process of getting off the ground. It is going up no matter what, I don't need anything. It would however benefit from a few ($x,xxx to $xx,xxx not $1,000) for design, coding, initial promotion, etc. It's not necessary but it would make my life easier. Besides, I like working with others. The internet is a boring place when you're plugging along by yourself and I actually hate it at this point.

In short, I would happily share this business with an interested party but it's not required. Once they see it, they'll shit bricks.

Cheers

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

What thread is that? Not smart of him if he is looking for investors and then making a thread saying he threw away a site making 6k a month

I threw the site away in 2001. Honestly, I'd throw that piece of shit away again today. It was way more work than I am used to.

[Agent 488]

yeah sure.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

yeah sure.

Absolutely true. Also, I'd do it again.

[ruff]

Why would you do that? That's Benihana money.

[Nicky]

why didn't you sell It? Or was It not worth It cause It would only have rendered in 60-70k?

[CyberHustler]

Niggaz be frontin' son... Seems you're not too business minded or you lyin' homie. I'm gonna go with lyin', 'cause hopefully you don't suck that bad yo.

[seeandsee]

i trow once a 6 pennies :D

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

I threw the site away in 2001. Honestly, I'd throw that piece of shit away again today. It was way more work than I am used to.

were tgp's around then?

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by ruff

Why would you do that? That's Benihana money.

This was around 2001. I did not speak to anyone else in the adult business and didn't even know GFY existed. I promoted webcams and made a ton of money in the process. One day I saw the TGP for sale on eBay and purchased it. It was promoted as having xx thousand views per day with millions of gallery views (they submitted galleries as well). I was converting about 1 in 40 on raw hits to my pages (1 in 12 or less to sponsor) and was already counting the millions I would make with all of those views. I submitted galleries for a couple of weeks and got over a million views to galleries. Problem was they converted 1:200 to sponsor but 1:12,000 or so raw hits to my pages. I was working more to submit galleries than I ever had to work on cams and making much less money for the effort. I got a $1000 hosting bill in and deleted everything from my server.

Originally Posted by Nicky

why didn't you sell It? Or was It not worth It cause It would only have rendered in 60-70k?

See above. It wasn't just a TGP, I submitted galleries along with it to get to $6,000 per month (old owner was making like $800 per month ) but I didn't really think it was worth shit. I had just purchased it on eBay and didn't know GFY existed.

Originally Posted by NanoBot

Niggaz be frontin' son... Seems you're not too business minded or you lyin' homie. I'm gonna go with lyin', 'cause hopefully you don't suck that bad yo.

100% true.

Originally Posted by DVTimes

were tgp's around then?

Yes they were.

[CaptainHowdy]

[epitome]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

This was around 2001. I did not speak to anyone else in the adult business and didn't even know GFY existed. I promoted webcams and made a ton of money in the process. One day I saw the TGP for sale on eBay and purchased it. It was promoted as having xx thousand views per day with millions of gallery views (they submitted galleries as well). I was converting about 1 in 40 on raw hits to my pages (1 in 12 or less to sponsor) and was already counting the millions I would make with all of those views. I submitted galleries for a couple of weeks and got over a million views to galleries. Problem was they converted 1:200 to sponsor but 1:12,000 or so raw hits to my pages. I was working more to submit galleries than I ever had to work on cams and making much less money for the effort. I got a $1000 hosting bill in and deleted everything from my server.



See above. It wasn't just a TGP, I submitted galleries along with it to get to $6,000 per month (old owner was making like $800 per month ) but I didn't really think it was worth shit. I had just purchased it on eBay and didn't know GFY existed.



100% true.



Yes they were.

So why didn't you pay the $1,000 hosting bill, pay someone $1,000/mo. to manage the site and profit $4,000 a month?

I'm calling bullshit and if you're saying it's not bullshit then I am calling you a shitty business person and you have no way to possibly argue that.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

What thread is that? Not smart of him if he is looking for investors and then making a thread saying he threw away a site making 6k a month

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/979428-serious-question-investing-partnering-mainstream-business.html
and
http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/979558-bought-tgp-threw-6-000-month.html

[CyberHustler]

Originally Posted by epitome

So why didn't you pay the $1,000 hosting bill, pay someone $1,000/mo. to manage the site and profit $4,000 a month?

I'm calling bullshit and if you're saying it's not bullshit then I am calling you a shitty business person and you have no way to possibly argue that.

That's what I'm sayin' yo. Either dude sucks at lyin' or makes bad business decisions.

If you tellin' the truth Stock, then I hope you learned your lesson homie... Stop being lazy and cheap.

Edit: This thread ain't a good look if you're lookin' for investors.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by epitome

So why didn't you pay the $1,000 hosting bill, pay someone $1,000/mo. to manage the site and profit $4,000 a month?

I'm calling bullshit and if you're saying it's not bullshit then I am calling you a shitty business person and you have no way to possibly argue that.

1) Why would I invest any time and resources into something that showed less returns than my main business? I employed many people but I'll be damned if I would ever have them wasting time on that shit.

2) Who the fuck do you know that will work for $1000 per month? As mentioned, this was before I found GFY so people expected a living wage for their work.

3) You're right. I was making 5 figures per month hardly working but I'm stupid for throwing away a site that made $6,000 per month with 200 times more effort.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by epitome

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/979428-serious-question-investing-partnering-mainstream-business.html
and
http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/979558-bought-tgp-threw-6-000-month.html

You are a fucking idiot. Also, this has already been addressed in this very thread.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

1) Why would I invest any time and resources into something that showed less returns than my main business? I employed many people but I'll be damned if I would ever have them wasting time on that shit.

2) Who the fuck do you know that will work for $1000 per month? As mentioned, this was before I found GFY so people expected a living wage for their work.

3) You're right. I was making 5 figures per month hardly working but I'm stupid for throwing away a site that made $6,000 per month with 200 times more effort.

So wait, running this alleged TGP was a full-time job for you? So you had all of this other stuff going on, bought this TGP, dropped what you were doing and worked on it full-time to get it up to $6k a month?

If you were not investing 40 hours a week of your time into it then you did not need a full-time employee and there are plenty of people that would invest 2 or 3 hours a day to make $1k a month. You don't need GFY to find someone to do that -- you only need a classified newspaper ad (back then) looking for someone that had basic computer skills and was comfortable with adult content.

And if you did drop everything to build up to a $6,000/mo. TGP only to drop it then any potential investor of yours should be cautioned that you may stop working on the new project if a shiny new acquisition comes across your desktop.

No matter how you slice it ... you are BSing or make very poor business decisions.

Adding a after every statement does not change this fact.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by NanoBot

That's what I'm sayin' yo. Either dude sucks at lyin' or makes bad business decisions.

If you tellin' the truth Stock, then I hope you learned your lesson homie... Stop being lazy and cheap.

Edit: This thread ain't a good look if you're lookin' for investors.

You suck at English. I'm not lying and I'm perfectly happy with my business decisions.

http://web.archive.org/web/200108131...om/index.shtml

[SpicyM]

This is really stupid.. You sold the TGP? For how much?

I could find people doing that "job" for $500 / month and that would be these days. In 2001, they would do that for $200.


I have never understood why sell business that generates great money..

[epitome]

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by epitome

So wait, running this alleged TGP was a full-time job for you? So you had all of this other stuff going on, bought this TGP, dropped what you were doing and worked on it full-time to get it up to $6k a month?

If you were not investing 40 hours a week of your time into it then you did not need a full-time employee and there are plenty of people that would invest 2 or 3 hours a day to make $1k a month. You don't need GFY to find someone to do that -- you only need a classified newspaper ad (back then) looking for someone that had basic computer skills and was comfortable with adult content.

And if you did drop everything to build up to a $6,000/mo. TGP only to drop it then any potential investor of yours should be cautioned that you may stop working on the new project if a shiny new acquisition comes across your desktop.

No matter how you slice it ... you are BSing or make very poor business decisions.

Adding a after every statement does not change this fact.

You are an absolute fucking moron. Simple question, how much do YOU make online? Answer that and I'll have a better idea of where we stand.

I invested at least 40 hours per week into that piece of shit. I didn't drop anything. My other business was virtually hands free thanks to the **smart** work I put into it previously. The keyword there is smart, busting my ass for $6,000 or worrying about hiring and managing an employee for that piece of shit site was not something I was interested in. I threw it away and focused on finding more easy money. I am not opposed to hard work but to do it just for the sake of it is fucking insane. 1 hour a day spent thinking about that shit would have cost me far more than I made by doing other things.

You seem to think you are better equipped at managing my life though, so please keep commenting.

[CyberHustler]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

You suck at English. I'm not lying and I'm perfectly happy with my business decisions.

http://web.archive.org/web/200108131...om/index.shtml

I'm actually great at english homie, I just type like this on purpose to fuck with niggaz like you.

If you're not lying, cool... If you're happy about your decisions, even better... But nothing makes your decisions any less... never mind.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

This is really stupid.. You sold the TGP? For how much?

I could find people doing that "job" for $500 / month and that would be these days. In 2001, they would do that for $200.


I have never understood why sell business that generates great money..

Did you not read the thread? It was a TGP and gallery business, I had to submit shit daily to keep the numbers up. Quite simply my time was worth much more than what that site would ever make so I tossed it. I don't live in India so employees cost a bit more than $200 as well. It was a business decision I made about MY business, it was the right one.

No I didn't sell it, I bought it and deleted it about a month later.

[SpicyM]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Did you not read the thread? It was a TGP and gallery business, I had to submit shit daily to keep the numbers up. Quite simply my time was worth much more than what that site would ever make so I tossed it. I don't live in India so employees cost a bit more than $200 as well. It was a business decision I made about MY business, it was the right one.

No I didn't sell it, I bought it and deleted it about a month later.

I read it. I am talking about getting an employee that would submit the galls and maintain the tgp. You dont need to look for such people in India.

And letting it go.. well.. thats crazy. $6k/month = great money in my country.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

I read it. I am talking about getting an employee that would submit the galls and maintain the tgp. You dont need to look for such people in India.

And letting it go.. well.. thats crazy. $6k/month = great money in my country.

It was cock blocking my other endeavors. If I had known about GFY I would have given it to someone that wanted to deal with it but I had never spoken to another adult webmaster in my life. I damn sure didn't know anything about finding employees in other countries.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

You are an absolute fucking moron. Simple question, how much do YOU make online? Answer that and I'll have a better idea of where we stand.

I invested at least 40 hours per week into that piece of shit. I didn't drop anything. My other business was virtually hands free thanks to the **smart** work I put into it previously. The keyword there is smart, busting my ass for $6,000 or worrying about hiring and managing an employee for that piece of shit site was not something I was interested in. I threw it away and focused on finding more easy money. I am not opposed to hard work but to do it just for the sake of it is fucking insane. 1 hour a day spent thinking about that shit would have cost me far more than I made by doing other things.

You seem to think you are better equipped at managing my life though, so please keep commenting.

Don't try to turn this around on me.

So wait you had a ton of employees but your existing business was hands off? Oh boy, that's hilarious!

Look, just admit it, throwing away an alleged TGP that was making you $6k a month was fucking stupid and a poor business decision. You want everybody to laugh it up with you and pretend that you're some big guy from the past that is rolling in his riches but you're looking for a couple grand to launch a project.

You're talking in circles, contradicting yourself and making yourself sound more amateur and pathetic with each post.

The reality is that you were making money in adult when EVERYONE was making it in adult. In 2010 you come here with nothing and want people to throw money at you to get a project off the ground (despite what you say about it). If you're so certain of your new venture go ahead and self-fund it. Then, when you have something to show for yourself, you'll be able to keep more equity rather than having to give more away upfront because you have nothing more than an idea to invest in.

[woj]

What's so hard to understand? After all the expenses, the TGP made him $25/hour, while some other venture made him lets say $250/hour, why would he bother dealing with some $25/hour business when he can work on expanding the $250/hour business?

[Atticus]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

I run a couple of offline businesses that I've been expanding for 2 years during a downturn in the economy. I have a partner in those businesses and all 'extra' money we get goes right back into growing them further. Myself, I just get a little old weekly draw that I use to take care of my family and my own life. I had a decent pile of money stockpiled but I have a couple of family members with serious health problems that I'm helping out and I'm not in the mood to tap into that either.

As for the post you referenced, I was purposefully vague but you've misunderstood what I was saying. I do have a mainstream business (not just a site) that I am in the process of getting off the ground. It is going up no matter what, I don't need anything. It would however benefit from a few ($x,xxx to $xx,xxx not $1,000) for design, coding, initial promotion, etc. It's not necessary but it would make my life easier. Besides, I like working with others. The internet is a boring place when you're plugging along by yourself and I actually hate it at this point.

In short, I would happily share this business with an interested party but it's not required. Once they see it, they'll shit bricks.

Cheers

Wow. I smell some serious bullshit.

"Now look here son, I have this amazing business idea. Amazing I tell ya. It will make 6 figures a year at least. I wouldnt lie to you or anything, it's that great. You'll shit your pants. Now I have plenty of savings and cash on hand but I dont want to touch that. It's for other things, sick family members, my many other businesses you know. So what do you say, would you like to invest $10k and make at least $50k - $500k back the first year? What? Why wouldnt I just borrow the $10k from my savings so I can make the full 100% of this multi-million dollar idea and then pay back the savings if its a sure thing you ask? I like working with people son."

[epitome]

Originally Posted by woj

What's so hard to understand? After all the expenses, the TGP made him $25/hour, while some other venture made him lets say $250/hour, why would he bother dealing with some $25/hour business when he can work on expanding the $250/hour business?

Except this is now (at least) the third time he is changing gears.

A lot of us have made and lost a lot of money in our lives (I'm guilty of it) but for some reason it just doesn't add up to me.

Now if quiet came in and said the same thing, I'd believe it ... but this isn't quiet and quiet doesn't tend to talk in circles nor hit people up for $x,xxx.

[Agent 488]

yeah sounds like complete bs. there might be a retard that believes it though. always is.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Atticus

Wow. I smell some serious bullshit.

So change your pants.

I don't really know how to explain this further, I posted everything there is to know in that little blurb you quoted. I know GFY has gone downhill but surely not everyone is this stupid? Because there are 1000 idiots here nobody can have a clue about anything? I've made great money online each and every time I've attempted to do so. This will be no different and should anyone give a shit to contact me (nobody has you'll be happy to know) they will at least see that I am working on a viable business model that has a damn good chance at making a shit ton of money. Things happen, nothing is guaranteed, etc. but yeah, people look for partners / investors all the God damned time.

Seriously, let it go.

Edit: Should have read your sig.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by epitome

Except this is now (at least) the third time he is changing gears.

A lot of us have made and lost a lot of money in our lives (I'm guilty of it) but for some reason it just doesn't add up to me.

Now if quiet came in and said the same thing, I'd believe it ... but this isn't quiet and quiet doesn't tend to talk in circles nor hit people up for $x,xxx.

Dude, I linked to the archive of the fucking site. Anyone that remembers me from years ago knows how much money I was making and many that post (posted?) here knew exactly what I did to get it. I've made people from this board (and off) rich. What you think doesn't really matter but your know it all attitude intrigues me.

What do you want me to say, I lied about buying a site that made $6000 a month before throwing it away?

[Atticus]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

So change your pants.

I don't really know how to explain this further, I posted everything there is to know in that little blurb you quoted. I know GFY has gone downhill but surely not everyone is this stupid? Because there are 1000 idiots here nobody can have a clue about anything? I've made great money online each and every time I've attempted to do so. This will be no different and should anyone give a shit to contact me (nobody has you'll be happy to know) they will at least see that I am working on a viable business model that has a damn good chance at making a shit ton of money. Things happen, nothing is guaranteed, etc. but yeah, people look for partners / investors all the God damned time.

Seriously, let it go.

Edit: Should have read your sig.

Yes, people do look for investors. When they either need additional funding or want to share the risk. Not when they are lonely and want to work with others. You've made it pretty clear with your "look at me" attitude that $10k is nothing for someone with your available resources. But you're willing to give up a portion of a multi million a year business for 4 figures? Puhlease.

Oh and as a previous poster mentioned, adding a after every sentence doesnt make your point, just looks like you're covering.

[Klen]

Nothing unusual,i know some people who throwing money away like it's made from paper.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Atticus

Yes, people do look for investors. When they either need additional funding or want to share the risk. Not when they are lonely and want to work with others. You've made it pretty clear with your "look at me" attitude that $10k is nothing for someone with your available resources. But you're willing to give up a portion of a multi million a year business for 4 figures? Puhlease.

Oh and as a previous poster mentioned, adding a after every sentence doesnt make your point, just looks like you're covering.

When I posted on GFY often was used all the time. It shows that I am laughing at you, no cover required.

As for the investor / partner deal, I already covered that way up at the top of this thread. There's really not much more to say on the matter and the guy I was talking to wasn't interested. Considering that nobody else has inquired I'm almost positive that it will be a solo operation for awhile.

Also, since you brought it up to make your point I will cover this as well. I know at least one person that prefers to work with someone else even if they don't have to. ME. I absolutely hate sitting at a desk pounding away online with nobody to discuss ideas with. When you have a partner with a vested interest there is at least one other person in the world that gives a shit about what you are doing.

I actually gave up 50% of a business venture to someone on GFY way back in 2003. Know what it cost them? ZERO. Hilariously enough there were about 100 people doing the same thing you are doing now, talking shit. While dozens of people chose to talk out of their ass one person wrote and asked me what was up, we made a ton of money and last I heard he is raking it in albeit on some things I wasn't willing to touch due to US laws. I know there are a bunch of dipshits here with the next big thing but that isn't me.

Edit: Since you're having so much fun in this thread here is the one people made fun of me for way back in 2003. It's much funnier than this one.

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/98322-looking-rc-webmasters-serious-cash.html

Suckers.

[CyberHustler]

Actually, this one is a lot funnier....

[fris]

im new to this shit, whats a tgp?

[ruff]

I remember back in 2001, I was making easy money with solo amateur girl sites on an AVS. I wish I would have had the hindsight to do some other things, like get the fuck out of the AVS and into my own program. Back then there were already major TPG sites in play and I really had no idea how to compete with those guys. (no submitter programs then) Not to mention the mechanics of setting everything up, managing a server and paying for bandwidth. It's easy now to be critical of decisions made back then with what people know now. For instance, I never even gave webcams a thought back then. I'm not even sure I had an ISP that could handle it. Making thousands of dollars a week, I was even getting shaved every 5th sale and rebill (found this out later). Thought it would never end. $6000 a month and you have to work 40 hrs a week to do wasn't worth it then when there was other ways to make large money. There wasn't any AVN show or webmaster hulabaloos back then, it was every man for himself. Really like the wild west. A lot of you new guys and girls don't realize what those days were like.

[Atticus]

Originally Posted by stocktrader23

When I posted on GFY often was used all the time. It shows that I am laughing at you, no cover required.

As for the investor / partner deal, I already covered that way up at the top of this thread. There's really not much more to say on the matter and the guy I was talking to wasn't interested. Considering that nobody else has inquired I'm almost positive that it will be a solo operation for awhile.

Also, since you brought it up to make your point I will cover this as well. I know at least one person that prefers to work with someone else even if they don't have to. ME. I absolutely hate sitting at a desk pounding away online with nobody to discuss ideas with. When you have a partner with a vested interest there is at least one other person in the world that gives a shit about what you are doing.

I actually gave up 50% of a business venture to someone on GFY way back in 2003. Know what it cost them? ZERO. Hilariously enough there were about 100 people doing the same thing you are doing now, talking shit. While dozens of people chose to talk out of their ass one person wrote and asked me what was up, we made a ton of money and last I heard he is raking it in albeit on some things I wasn't willing to touch due to US laws. I know there are a bunch of dipshits here with the next big thing but that isn't me.

Edit: Since you're having so much fun in this thread here is the one people made fun of me for way back in 2003. It's much funnier than this one.

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/98322-looking-rc-webmasters-serious-cash.html

Suckers.

Thanks for the link. You're right, it was a fun read. However I think the two really complement each other. For example you describing creating a porn empire on an AOL email addy back in 2003 really brings out the LOL's when you're asking people to invest under $10k on a cant miss opportunity in 2010.

[TeenCat]

lol that stocktrader pimp is a real treasure for gfy

[Agent 488]

[BigDeanEvans]

Stockbroker lives in a shitty apartment and drives a 1988 Datsun!!

[Chosen]

Originally Posted by fris

im new to this shit, whats a tgp?

[Raf1]

lol at the bullshit in this thread...

[crazytrini85]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

yeah sure.