Fraud Affiliate - Beware Sponsors!!!! - GoFuckYourself.com

AK · 07-30-2010, 11:46 AM

We dont usually like to do this but seeing what is going on lately, I thought I'd post this to make a point.

We had just terminated this affiliate without pay and have proof of the fraud activity this person does.

Without going into much detail, we made a special deal with $60/trial on our cam site.
This person sent a lot of trials yesterday, and we caught it and have proof because we actually have a fraud dept who called his customers to confirm.

If you are an affiliate program with trial offers, please be aware of any new deals coming your way.

If you are an affiliate, and have thought of doing some shady practices, know that we are proactive and do not tolerate fraud.

Happy Friday everyone!

Agent 488 · 07-30-2010, 11:49 AM

ok then.

SiMpLe · 07-30-2010, 11:51 AM

AK wheres the details lol

pornpf69 · 07-30-2010, 11:52 AM

posting the info about the affiliate would be a nice thing for other sponsors...

pradaboy · 07-30-2010, 11:56 AM

don't be so specific dude.

mikke · 07-30-2010, 11:58 AM

details or never happen.

AK · 07-30-2010, 12:22 PM

i dont have the clearance to post the info lol

Mickey_ · 07-30-2010, 12:24 PM

Thanks, just did a search in our DB based on the info you provided, found him and his account was banned.*

*read: details please

Trichstir · 07-30-2010, 12:28 PM

You actually call people to ask if they signed up to a porn/cam site? That could get awkward....
But I guess you need to protect yourself somehow.

PGR · 07-30-2010, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trichstir

You actually call people to ask if they signed up to a porn/cam site? That could get awkward....
But I guess you need to protect yourself somehow.

I'm guessing they only do that once certain alarm bells start ringing

Fat Panda · 07-30-2010, 12:36 PM

throw'em in the wood chipper

tigermtb · 07-30-2010, 01:31 PM

I was expecting details, now I'm sad.

HAPPYPEEKERS · 07-30-2010, 01:38 PM

Hit me up AK.. I wanna know who it is so we can make sure we do not have him.

Thank you
April :-)

troncarver · 07-30-2010, 01:41 PM

is this just a shameless plug you are paying out $trials...thats the juiciest meat i got outta the post

Chosen · 07-30-2010, 03:34 PM

Thanks for the warning...

Pics Traffic · 07-30-2010, 03:35 PM

Thanks for much info. Really helps.

Tjeezers · 07-30-2010, 03:48 PM

And you wonder why you dont get traffic from me?

StinkyPink · 07-30-2010, 03:51 PM

$60/trial and I can't get shit for my free referrals? like 25k in traffic and no $. maybe that is why affiliates are being shady.

edit: 44k

AK · 07-30-2010, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey-AWE

Thanks, just did a search in our DB based on the info you provided, found him and his account was banned.*

*read: details please

What up Mickey... I didn't recall telling you his information how did you find out who that person is?

The guy just started the deal with us couple days ago and we know already by the next day what to do with this kind of traffic.

We aren't big in the pay for trial biz but always curious to see how it would work.

Well, this one is pretty obvious and an easy spot for our fraud dept.

The guy was very defensive when we told him our concern and that we will do further investigation, I believe he immediately asked if he will still get paid.

AK · 07-30-2010, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tjeezers

And you wonder why you dont get traffic from me?

I just looked at your account, Im surprised to see who you are.
We used to talk a lot couple years ago.

I see that you still send clicks here and there, are you still sending?

AK · 07-30-2010, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StinkyPink

$60/trial and I can't get shit for my free referrals? like 25k in traffic and no $. maybe that is why affiliates are being shady.

edit: 44k

I just ran your overall stats, Yikes.

Jayvis must not be doing his job because he couldn't help you convert your uniques

lazycash · 07-30-2010, 04:14 PM

"Hi Mrs. Johnson, earlier today your husband signed up for our nude private camchat after chatting with bustynympho and we just want to verify that it was indeed him."

AK · 07-30-2010, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troncarver

is this just a shameless plug you are paying out $trials...thats the juiciest meat i got outta the post

no sir.... not at all.

see u in FL?

AK · 07-30-2010, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazycash

"Hi Mrs. Johnson, earlier today your husband signed up for our nude private camchat after chatting with bustynympho and we just want to verify that it was indeed him."

do not under estimate the power of courtesy calls to these customers, many appreciate that we call because sometimes they aren't even aware of it, for that we help ourselves in lowering CBs ratio from these people.

we also call to customers who were smart enough to do friendly chargebacks, and many time we won as they caved because we did have proof that they used our service.

GetSCORECash · 07-30-2010, 04:27 PM

AK was it an affiliate that had been sitting dormant in your program for a while or was it someone new you just let in.

DatingGold · 07-30-2010, 04:28 PM

GFY would ban us if we posted the info..

Jayvis · 07-30-2010, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StinkyPink

$60/trial and I can't get shit for my free referrals? like 25k in traffic and no $. maybe that is why affiliates are being shady.

edit: 44k

No disrespect whatsoever and I don't say this often... but try sending that same traffic to a similar sponsor and see if it works out better?

lazycash · 07-30-2010, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK

do not under estimate the power of courtesy calls to these customers, many appreciate that we call because sometimes they aren't even aware of it, for that we help ourselves in lowering CBs ratio from these people.

we also call to customers who were smart enough to do friendly chargebacks, and many time we won as they caved because we did have proof that they used our service.

I think its smart to do some verification to head off major fraud. I was just being sarcastic because I would think the person making those calls would need to use some good judgement in certain situations so as not to piss off a legit customer who may end up being a big spender.

lazycash · 07-30-2010, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DatingGold

GFY would ban us if we posted the info..

I don't think so, not if you had proof of the fraud and could provide clearer details on what was going on, ie carding, etc... I see names and epass accounts listed by sponsors here all the time of fraudulent affiliates.

AK · 07-30-2010, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GetSCORECash

AK was it an affiliate that had been sitting dormant in your program for a while or was it someone new you just let in.

signed up as affiliate couple years i think traffic was ok before but this is a new deal in a while.

that's why we would give $60 trial deal?

I am seeing a lot of drama lately involving good guys in the past but now owing people money etc.

see you in FL?

thehand · 07-30-2010, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayvis

No disrespect whatsoever and I don't say this often... but try sending that same traffic to a similar sponsor and see if it works out better?

Good idea - see sig

AK · 07-30-2010, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazycash

I think its smart to do some verification to head off major fraud. I was just being sarcastic because I would think the person making those calls would need to use some good judgement in certain situations so as not to piss off a legit customer who may end up being a big spender.

yes indeed.

our staffs are very professional when calling to verify or to collect lol

StinkyPink · 07-30-2010, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayvis

No disrespect whatsoever and I don't say this often... but try sending that same traffic to a similar sponsor and see if it works out better?

webcams.com didn't do shit for me either.

my traffic just sucks.

cambaby · 07-30-2010, 04:46 PM

Why would you pay $60 for a free trial, that makes no fucking sense in any capacity. Most of the people here dont care but how the hell can you afford that?

Fabien · 07-30-2010, 05:04 PM

Wow, now we have to call customers. Oh brother....

Thanks for sharing by the way.

lazycash · 07-30-2010, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cambaby

Why would you pay $60 for a free trial, that makes no fucking sense in any capacity. Most of the people here dont care but how the hell can you afford that?

That's the cams niche, if they're willing to pay $150 for a $25 deposit then $60 for a free trial doesn't seem that much of a stretch does it?

AbortedFajitas · 07-31-2010, 12:44 PM

Amateurmatch.com sucks. It's full of fake profiles and I'm pretty sure they have employees that write fake messages to users in order to lure them into paying for a membership. I started promoting through dating gold during a $150/signup special they had going on, got 3 legitimate sign ups, and then I get an email from them saying that my account was closed due to fraud. Their reason was some horse shit about how I had never promoted them before, and then started sending traffic during a $150 pps special, which apparently was suspicious. (?) They also claimed they called one of the people that signed up through my affiliate link and that person claimed they were "tricked" into signing up. Yea, the amateur match banner ad on the top of my site must have tricked them. I don't blame them though, I would say anything to get out of paying for that shitty site too.

AK · 08-01-2010, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AbortedFajitas

Amateurmatch.com sucks. It's full of fake profiles and I'm pretty sure they have employees that write fake messages to users in order to lure them into paying for a membership. I started promoting through dating gold during a $150/signup special they had going on, got 3 legitimate sign ups, and then I get an email from them saying that my account was closed due to fraud. Their reason was some horse shit about how I had never promoted them before, and then started sending traffic during a $150 pps special, which apparently was suspicious. (?) They also claimed they called one of the people that signed up through my affiliate link and that person claimed they were "tricked" into signing up. Yea, the amateur match banner ad on the top of my site must have tricked them. I don't blame them though, I would say anything to get out of paying for that shitty site too.

care to post your account here so I can actually post what happened.

Of course we call our customers to protect ourselves from all those chargebacks and foul plays by new affiliates.

Somehow, I do recall having to terminate someone like you, 3 legitimate sales on the $150 PPS special.

When I get more time after FL, I might look you up and post here so I can warn other sponsors?

If sponsors would like to know how we look for frauds, you can contact me, but I wont post here what to look for in detecting frauds.

AK · 08-01-2010, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabien

Wow, now we have to call customers. Oh brother....

Thanks for sharing by the way.

I know right, that sucks. But with what's going on with programs closing shops here and there, you can never be too careful these days.

AK · 08-01-2010, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StinkyPink

webcams.com didn't do shit for me either.

my traffic just sucks.

Dont be modest, I'm sure there are other cam companies who can convert for you.
I am serious when it comes to this, you'll probably have to go thru few sponsors until you find the right one for your traffic.

StinkyPink · 08-01-2010, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK

Dont be modest, I'm sure there are other cam companies who can convert for you.
I am serious when it comes to this, you'll probably have to go thru few sponsors until you find the right one for your traffic.

I hate to do it, but I may have to resort to AFF/Cams I just hate that company.

CHARGER · 08-01-2010, 12:57 PM

do you ask all your client to provide your site with their phone numbers?

sexdatesj · 08-01-2010, 03:26 PM

the name would help, alot of cheaters exist.

dav3 · 08-01-2010, 05:25 PM

Speaking of intentional fraudulent scamming practices:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/Search/a...match_com.aspx

http://www.complaintsboard.com/bycom...om-a30195.html

http://amateurmatch.pissedconsumer.c...317115709.html

Thanks for helping to destroy consumer trust in the online adult market!

pornjudge · 08-01-2010, 06:31 PM

LOL funny thread eh ... A fraud reports another fraud... Karma is a bitch sometimes... what goes around comes around.

I only trust one cam site that I promote & doing pretty good with them

rev 1/41
pps 1/120

I tried most of the cam sites out there & they suck balls. Oh btw guys I have one thing to say... Only promote cam sites that offer small PPS payouts.. Don't trust cam sites that give out huge payouts for PPS.. they are just trying to lure you in so you could send them allot of traffic. Most of these programs will convert like shit.

my

MontrealPimp · 08-01-2010, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dav3

Speaking of intentional fraudulent scamming practices:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/Search/a...match_com.aspx

http://www.complaintsboard.com/bycom...om-a30195.html

http://amateurmatch.pissedconsumer.c...317115709.html

Thanks for helping to destroy consumer trust in the online adult market!

Wow thats some intense stuff

looky_lou · 08-01-2010, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dav3

Speaking of intentional fraudulent scamming practices:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/Search/a...match_com.aspx

http://www.complaintsboard.com/bycom...om-a30195.html

http://amateurmatch.pissedconsumer.c...317115709.html

Thanks for helping to destroy consumer trust in the online adult market!

Very interesting. Looks like you are running a fine, upstanding, reputable program over there AK.

Better keep an eye out for those fraudulent affiliates.

AK · 08-01-2010, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dav3

Speaking of intentional fraudulent scamming practices:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/Search/a...match_com.aspx

http://www.complaintsboard.com/bycom...om-a30195.html

http://amateurmatch.pissedconsumer.c...317115709.html

Thanks for helping to destroy consumer trust in the online adult market!

When you run adult dating sites, chance is you some unhappy customers and usually they are the one who will say anything to complaint.

Now I remember I had terminated one of your "friend" or "referred" affiliate that you would make money on had I not catch it on time. Actually, it was kinda too late since we did get a charge back out of your "friend" affiliate with high PPS.

I see that your account is still active with us, and I invite you to message me on ICQ or email me that you would like to close your account with us.

I did not have any proof that you were involved with your "friend" affiliate.

Funny how I messaged you few times about some posts you did and you did not even bother to message me back.

AK · 08-01-2010, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornjudge

LOL funny thread eh ... A fraud reports another fraud... Karma is a bitch sometimes... what goes around comes around.

I only trust one cam site that I promote & doing pretty good with them

rev 1/41
pps 1/120

I tried most of the cam sites out there & they suck balls. Oh btw guys I have one thing to say... Only promote cam sites that offer small PPS payouts.. Don't trust cam sites that give out huge payouts for PPS.. they are just trying to lure you in so you could send them allot of traffic. Most of these programs will convert like shit.

my

I wish that ALL affiliates are like you. Not demanding high payouts in the industry. When it comes to cam sites, always go with revshare IF you know your traffic is legit.
Sponsors like us LOVE working with revshare affiliates because the risks are lower on our part.

With revshare, Affiliates can't make money with "put your credit card for free and make $25 cash (because im making $60 just for sending my sponsors trial sales or initial sales)"...

well you get my point. It sucks when affiliates get caught.

AK · 08-01-2010, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by looky_lou

Very interesting. Looks like you are running a fine, upstanding, reputable program over there AK.

Better keep an eye out for those fraudulent affiliates.

i dont have anything for you but when you are in need of fighting fraud affiliates, my icq line is open for you, not sure if you ever run an affiliate program or not.

07-30-2010, 11:46 AM	#1
AK MadZuma Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California Posts: 6,436	Fraud Affiliate - Beware Sponsors!!!! We dont usually like to do this but seeing what is going on lately, I thought I'd post this to make a point. We had just terminated this affiliate without pay and have proof of the fraud activity this person does. Without going into much detail, we made a special deal with $60/trial on our cam site. This person sent a lot of trials yesterday, and we caught it and have proof because we actually have a fraud dept who called his customers to confirm. If you are an affiliate program with trial offers, please be aware of any new deals coming your way. If you are an affiliate, and have thought of doing some shady practices, know that we are proactive and do not tolerate fraud. Happy Friday everyone! __________________ Alfonsus Kusuma (AK) ak at madzuma.com skype me - alfonsus.com

07-30-2010, 11:51 AM	#3
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07-30-2010, 11:56 AM	#5
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07-30-2010, 11:49 AM	#2
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07-30-2010, 12:22 PM	#7
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07-30-2010, 12:24 PM	#8
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07-30-2010, 12:28 PM	#9
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07-30-2010, 12:36 PM	#11
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07-30-2010, 01:31 PM	#12
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07-30-2010, 01:38 PM	#13
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07-30-2010, 01:41 PM	#14
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07-30-2010, 03:34 PM	#15
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07-30-2010, 03:35 PM	#16
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07-30-2010, 03:48 PM	#17
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07-30-2010, 03:51 PM	#18
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07-30-2010, 04:14 PM	#22
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07-30-2010, 04:27 PM	#25
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07-30-2010, 04:46 PM	#34
cambaby So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: CR Posts: 3,141	Why would you pay $60 for a free trial, that makes no fucking sense in any capacity. Most of the people here dont care but how the hell can you afford that?

07-30-2010, 05:04 PM	#35
Fabien Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,787	Wow, now we have to call customers. Oh brother.... Thanks for sharing by the way.

07-31-2010, 12:44 PM	#37
AbortedFajitas Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 13	Amateurmatch.com sucks. It's full of fake profiles and I'm pretty sure they have employees that write fake messages to users in order to lure them into paying for a membership. I started promoting through dating gold during a $150/signup special they had going on, got 3 legitimate sign ups, and then I get an email from them saying that my account was closed due to fraud. Their reason was some horse shit about how I had never promoted them before, and then started sending traffic during a $150 pps special, which apparently was suspicious. (?) They also claimed they called one of the people that signed up through my affiliate link and that person claimed they were "tricked" into signing up. Yea, the amateur match banner ad on the top of my site must have tricked them. I don't blame them though, I would say anything to get out of paying for that shitty site too.

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08-01-2010, 05:25 PM	#44
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08-01-2010, 06:31 PM	#45
pornjudge So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Upmywomansass Posts: 2,214	LOL funny thread eh ... A fraud reports another fraud... Karma is a bitch sometimes... what goes around comes around. I only trust one cam site that I promote & doing pretty good with them rev 1/41 pps 1/120 I tried most of the cam sites out there & they suck balls. Oh btw guys I have one thing to say... Only promote cam sites that offer small PPS payouts.. Don't trust cam sites that give out huge payouts for PPS.. they are just trying to lure you in so you could send them allot of traffic. Most of these programs will convert like shit. my