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Forest · 08-13-2010, 06:28 AM

one hundred and fiddy monsters of the sea

todd hit me up =)))

Robbie · 08-13-2010, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Forest

your not looking hard enough

i know several i deal with taking that volume of sales from whales

I know you have to keep it on the downlow so you don't lose your clients to somebody else...but again, I have to ask: Are there any actual REAL affiliates with freesites like we were for over a decade that can still send honest traffic to a paysite and have 50 + people decide of their own free will to join that paysite?

That's a real whale in my experience. And I ain't talking about "Free joins" or trials that are gonna get monetized via x-sells (and yes, people are still doing x-sells), I'm talking about the old fashioned notion that a guy sees an ad for a paysite, clicks that ad, checks out the tour and buys a membership.

From what I have seen over the last couple of years with piracy the ratios are HIGH these days. It's not unusual to send 2,000 uniques of real surfers who clicked on a link with the intention of checking out a paysite and only get 1 sale.

So let's say your whales are converting like that. That would mean they are sending 200,000 UNIQUES a day to a single paysite and all of it is perfectly targeted traffic.

So now I would say...tell me like I'm in first grade, how anybody is doing that when nobody has traffic left anymore unless your name is "pornhub"?

I just can't see how they are doing it in a way that is honest and consists of actual people intending to join a site. And I'm pretty clever and quick with making money.

So if somebody could just give me a clue...just a small clue, instead of the mysterious: "Oh they are out there...muahahahahaha" as to how they can do all these sales when they don't have that kind of traffic....I'd like to know.

fuzebox · 08-13-2010, 09:47 AM

I don't think people realize how many joins are generated via mail still... Some guys in this thread assume the whales run TGPs.

Anthony · 08-13-2010, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I know you have to keep it on the downlow so you don't lose your clients to somebody else...but again, I have to ask: Are there any actual REAL affiliates with freesites like we were for over a decade that can still send honest traffic to a paysite and have 50 + people decide of their own free will to join that paysite?

That's a real whale in my experience. And I ain't talking about "Free joins" or trials that are gonna get monetized via x-sells (and yes, people are still doing x-sells), I'm talking about the old fashioned notion that a guy sees an ad for a paysite, clicks that ad, checks out the tour and buys a membership.

From what I have seen over the last couple of years with piracy the ratios are HIGH these days. It's not unusual to send 2,000 uniques of real surfers who clicked on a link with the intention of checking out a paysite and only get 1 sale.

So let's say your whales are converting like that. That would mean they are sending 200,000 UNIQUES a day to a single paysite and all of it is perfectly targeted traffic.

So now I would say...tell me like I'm in first grade, how anybody is doing that when nobody has traffic left anymore unless your name is "pornhub"?

I just can't see how they are doing it in a way that is honest and consists of actual people intending to join a site. And I'm pretty clever and quick with making money.

So if somebody could just give me a clue...just a small clue, instead of the mysterious: "Oh they are out there...muahahahahaha" as to how they can do all these sales when they don't have that kind of traffic....I'd like to know.

I don't know how obvious I can be, I already mentioned, Class C's, Script, and Lists.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/busi...rce/bus61.shtm

Robbie · 08-13-2010, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

I don't know how obvious I can be, I already mentioned, Class C's, Script, and Lists.

Okay, first off...as I mentioned earlier...the search engine terms are already taken by pornhub for the biggies.

The truly niched out keywords might still be there...but are they going to produce 100 sales EVERY day in this world of people NOT buying porn because it's already free?

And "script". Well that can mean anything. Not much of it necessarily meaning honest traffic.

Lists....I guess you mean emailing. Sounds good. But again...how do you get 100 sales EVERY DAY to a single sponsor in this age of piracy and free content everywhere?
It better be the greatest email of all times and one that somehow made it through the spam filter.

Honestly, I'd say those three things would have kicked ass and worked like a charm 2 to 3 years ago. But today? Man, I don't know. I'm not gonna sit here and pontificate too much, because if somebody is pulling that off then they would know.

But I know a little bit about traffic and making real sales...and I'm just skeptical.

And again...if there are 30 whales or more running around sending 100 sales a day to different programs on top of all the other sales these programs are making...then why is it that every paysite owner I know is trying to ride out the storm?

Why aren't they flying in to shows in private jets anymore and throwing big sponsored parties? Heck the shows are a cemetery these days, and right here on GFY there are threads everyday with another program shutting down, another guy looking for work who has been let go from a company he worked for for 10 years, and another studio cutting back on production.

Just don't add up.

UNLESS... you guys went behind my back, and created a secret porn industry without telling me about it. One that is kicking ass and everybody is killing it.

Damn y'all!!! Now somebody give me the secret code so I can get in. I know it was funny laughing at me, but the joke's over.

Nickatilynx · 08-13-2010, 10:14 AM

Robbie ,

Hit me up on icq or skype sometime always happy to chat

Robbie · 08-13-2010, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Robbie ,

Hit me up on icq or skype sometime always happy to chat

I will buddy. I'm about to break down lighting and camera gear and head to a shoot location and set it all back up again to film a scene for the paysite side of my business, so I'll be out working in the field all day. But here is my ICQ 623327

Feel free to add yourself anytime. I don't want to impose on you so just do it at your convenience.

And let me know it's you when you add me. I get people all the time adding me and saying "hey what's up" And I don't have a clue who they are! LOL!

Anthony · 08-13-2010, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Okay, first off...as I mentioned earlier...the search engine terms are already taken by pornhub for the biggies.

The truly niched out keywords might still be there...but are they going to produce 100 sales EVERY day in this world of people NOT buying porn because it's already free?

And "script". Well that can mean anything. Not much of it necessarily meaning honest traffic.

Lists....I guess you mean emailing. Sounds good. But again...how do you get 100 sales EVERY DAY to a single sponsor in this age of piracy and free content everywhere?
It better be the greatest email of all times and one that somehow made it through the spam filter.

Honestly, I'd say those three things would have kicked ass and worked like a charm 2 to 3 years ago. But today? Man, I don't know. I'm not gonna sit here and pontificate too much, because if somebody is pulling that off then they would know.

But I know a little bit about traffic and making real sales...and I'm just skeptical.

And again...if there are 30 whales or more running around sending 100 sales a day to different programs on top of all the other sales these programs are making...then why is it that every paysite owner I know is trying to ride out the storm?

Why aren't they flying in to shows in private jets anymore and throwing big sponsored parties? Heck the shows are a cemetery these days, and right here on GFY there are threads everyday with another program shutting down, another guy looking for work who has been let go from a company he worked for for 10 years, and another studio cutting back on production.

Just don't add up.

UNLESS... you guys went behind my back, and created a secret porn industry without telling me about it. One that is kicking ass and everybody is killing it.

Damn y'all!!! Now somebody give me the secret code so I can get in. I know it was funny laughing at me, but the joke's over.

You never heard of the Australian Porn Mafia? Or the Canadian Porn Triad?

Call Nick, he'll open up your eyes.

KrissyElise · 08-13-2010, 10:46 AM

cosis · 08-13-2010, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by KrissyElise

that stinks

Roald · 08-13-2010, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I wonder if there are any whales left that actually send traffic that converts into a hundred sales a day as opposed to just selling x-sales. Those are the guys I think of as whales. Real affiliates doing it. Are there any big free sites that could do that anymore? Or is it all just paysites sending x-sell joins to other paysites?

Can somebody name one big free site left that can do that since piracy, tubes, and filesharing & bit torrent sites took over?

Let me see, uhm right here

Not to one program though (allthough we can with a nice push) but to tons of programs. However 10% of all programs we push make up for 90% of our revenue ofcourse.

Our top sponsors receive on average I would say about 15-20 joins a day.

We have tons of programs we only do between 1 and 5 a day and more programs we do a sale every few days.

Not bragging here but if we did "only" 100 sales a day we would not be moving to a new office because our current office doesn't fit the 15 people we have inhouse.

BUT, we to feel the recession and the whole "free" stage we are in (yes we are down some % too). We just don't want to give up and complain all day thinking about the golden years

sextoyking · 08-13-2010, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Forest

one hundred and fiddy monsters of the sea

todd hit me up =)))

Hi Forest,

Just sent you an icq....

Thanks

Todd

Nathan · 08-13-2010, 01:01 PM

Let's remove chatters which do not send sales that actually retain? How many are left then?

Or mailers who send faked msgs to get people to join? I am talking real sales which actually rebill and not cause 1000 people that are pissed off and 100 sales which cancel after the $1 trial...

pornstar2fag · 08-13-2010, 01:07 PM

lol at douchebag nathan trying to participate in a convo like he belongs.

haha.

no one is gonna help you or give you any info. go fuck off.

Far-L · 08-13-2010, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Let's remove chatters which do not send sales that actually retain? How many are left then?

Or mailers who send faked msgs to get people to join? I am talking real sales which actually rebill and not cause 1000 people that are pissed off and 100 sales which cancel after the $1 trial...

Agreed... because those are not actually whales but diseased bestials that feed on spam and should be avoided like the plague...

I honestly thought that species had become all but extinct... of course if I had a sign-up for everytime I was wrong I would be living like Greg Lasrado... before he blew it all away.

JA$ON · 08-13-2010, 01:47 PM

there are FAR more than most people on this board think. I think the biggest change is that a much larger % of them are mailers and large chat houses then was the case in the past when there were more "site driven" whales.

CamJack · 08-13-2010, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Slow Roosevelt

I like that...whales are dead, clever

wise friend of mine once said, "money talks, wealth whispers"

datatank · 08-13-2010, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I'd be shocked to see 50+ real organic joins coming from anywhere these days. Maybe trial joins, but full joins?

99% of sites with any volume of sales have trials.

datatank · 08-13-2010, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

What it comes down to is that I would obviously like to understand what I can do to get my hands on a good chunk of those 10000 joins, wherever they are...

Which 10,000 joins are those?

Far-L · 08-13-2010, 04:29 PM

Maybe the real question here should be how many spammers are left that still send misleading beastie site descriptions in emails like it was forever 1996 and processors still took those kind of sites.

AtlantisCash · 08-14-2010, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Most whales opened programs and +paysites, they aren't gone - they just aren't promoting other programs. Lots of affiliates today can send over a 100 sales a day, I would say several hundred can, just most don't dedicate it to one or two sites at a time like they once did.

So true, the ones who adapped rather then complaining must go stable

Raf1 · 08-14-2010, 03:36 AM

the good old days are gone. I knew a few personally a while back. Now only one of them is promoting adult, making a bit over 100 sales across 20 or so sponsors.

AtlantisCash · 08-14-2010, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

So true, the ones who adapped rather then complaining must go stable

My apologies for the spelling mistake i have done, wanted to correct it, but it was expired

tonyparra · 08-14-2010, 12:35 PM

sorry i forgot to tell you guys we is creating a secret porn industry...no old schoolers allowed sorry robbie

Robbie · 08-14-2010, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tonyparra

sorry i forgot to tell you guys we is creating a secret porn industry...no old schoolers allowed sorry robbie

I fucking KNEW it! Goddamnit you guys! Let me in!

Black Ops · 08-14-2010, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by geoGUERILLA

wise friend of mine once said, "money talks, wealth whispers"

Did I tell you that?

rhizome · 08-14-2010, 02:41 PM

How did I know that Robbie would be in this thread reminiscing over his glory days as a TGP reviewer. Bitter guy, so you got kicked to the curb and shacked up with a fat granny that surprise, surprise hasn't sent shockwaves through the web, that don't mean there ain't no more traffic and webmasters without crimped mullets ain't making sales.

Naechy · 08-14-2010, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Whale:

sexy whale

Robbie · 08-14-2010, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rhizome

How did I know that Robbie would be in this thread reminiscing over his glory days as a TGP reviewer. Bitter guy, so you got kicked to the curb and shacked up with a fat granny that surprise, surprise hasn't sent shockwaves through the web, that don't mean there ain't no more traffic and webmasters without crimped mullets ain't making sales.

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Love it baby!

And can somebody tell me what a "tgp reviewer" is? I don't have a fucking clue!

tonyparra · 08-15-2010, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Love it baby!

And can somebody tell me what a "tgp reviewer" is? I don't have a fucking clue!

that is me. i review tgp. i make new industry. welcome to the future of the internets!

datatank · 08-15-2010, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Love it baby!

And can somebody tell me what a "tgp reviewer" is? I don't have a fucking clue!

He is the guy that approves/deny the submitted galleries.

Robbie · 08-15-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by datatank

He is the guy that approves/deny the submitted galleries.

Oh I get it now. The way he worded it sounded like a review site for tgp's or something.

And we stopped taking submitted galleries back in 2001 and went with all hosted galleries with our own affiliate ids. Our traffic makes us more by keeping it for ourselves rather than taking free or paid submissions.

Nicky · 08-15-2010, 06:11 PM

Whale party

NickB. · 08-15-2010, 06:28 PM

Wink at whales... I have some serious things for you..

Ready to make a deal , all day any day!

ladida · 08-16-2010, 04:38 AM

There's no whales.

Phoenix · 08-16-2010, 06:40 AM

thar she blows

OldJeff · 08-16-2010, 07:49 AM

This thread is full of lots of funny shit

NEW XTC · 08-21-2010, 08:29 AM

good stuff here I'd like to hear more

08-13-2010, 10:14 AM	#156
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08-13-2010, 01:01 PM	#163
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	Let's remove chatters which do not send sales that actually retain? How many are left then? Or mailers who send faked msgs to get people to join? I am talking real sales which actually rebill and not cause 1000 people that are pissed off and 100 sales which cancel after the $1 trial... __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

08-13-2010, 04:29 PM	#170
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08-14-2010, 03:36 AM	#172
Raf1 Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Writer for hire :) Gallery descriptions, articles, blog posts etc. ICQ: 209 356 106 Posts: 12,117	the good old days are gone. I knew a few personally a while back. Now only one of them is promoting adult, making a bit over 100 sales across 20 or so sponsors. __________________ 80% Revshare or 30$ PPS on $1 trials: 200 Niches = Vidz.com Galleries / FLVs / Embeds 3 & 5mins FLVs \| RSS & Tube Feeds \| Matching Thumbs \| FLV Browser & Exporter \| No Prechecked Xsales >> Mobile Redirection Script: mobile.vidz.com also paying 80% net Lifetime << ICQ: 198-394-557

08-14-2010, 12:35 PM	#174
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08-13-2010, 09:47 AM	#153
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08-13-2010, 01:07 PM	#164
pornstar2fag So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 544	lol at douchebag nathan trying to participate in a convo like he belongs. haha. no one is gonna help you or give you any info. go fuck off.

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08-21-2010, 08:29 AM	#188
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