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Sly_RJ · 01-07-2003, 11:05 PM

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Originally posted by greentea

a good title for the thread would be, Hungryman your a fucking theif, now pay me my money!

Does vBulletin allow double thread titles?

50 bizitches!

quiet · 01-07-2003, 11:06 PM

the guy is a one man bbs soap opera.

Voodoo · 01-07-2003, 11:09 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
For the record as well, Local G paid me in minutes of completion. As well as 50% to start.

And no doubt Hungryman was already paid, so he spent the money on something other than paying his designer.

Aside from that, I know local g and have spoken with him many times, and as soon as he sees this, he is going to feel like shit about the whole thing. Sucks for the designer as well as Local G since he thought he was paying Hungryman, not an outsourced hidden designer getting fucked for more than 50%

not cool.

Totally agreed.

That's some mofuckin' B.S. Hungry is doing man. He told me before that he doesn't pay designers up front because "Designers are lazy, and once they have the money, it's hard to motivate them to finish the project." ---- I bet it is hard to motivate designers that you screw out of their hard earned cash.

pink_in_the_middle · 01-07-2003, 11:23 PM

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Originally posted by Voodoo

Totally agreed.

That's some mofuckin' B.S. Hungry is doing man. He told me before that he doesn't pay designers up front because "Designers are lazy, and once they have the money, it's hard to motivate them to finish the project." ---- I bet it is hard to motivate designers that you screw out of their hard earned cash.

I really hope he didn't say that

Kelly loves his work and he's amazing at what he does. He puts alot of time and effort into his designes.

Hungry now you know why designers ask for cash on the dash???
Don't give me some sob story to try and make me feel bad for you. You did this to yourself. If you were honest and not fucking ppl over this would have never happened. Shit...I've been telling Kelly for a long time now that he should have brought this to the boards but he wouldn't. He wanted to give you another chance. After all the shit thats been said about you on the boards he still gave you a chance and you had to go fuck that up.

Get your f*cking ass together man.

greentea · 01-07-2003, 11:29 PM

I would not buy any of hungrymans bullshit excuses, once a theif always a theif.

Sorry to hear you got fucked over like this, you need to get in line with the other designers who have been fucked by him.

Only thing you can do now is warn people about this conman.

pink_in_the_middle · 01-07-2003, 11:32 PM

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Originally posted by greentea
I would not buy any of hungrymans bullshit excuses, once a theif always a theif.

Sorry to hear you got fucked over like this, you need to get in line with the other designers who have been fucked by him.

Only thing you can do now is warn people about this conman.

Warn

thats such a nice way of putting it.

Hungry if you think you're tight for work now, hold on to your seat.

greentea · 01-07-2003, 11:42 PM

Go get em girl!

If that con lived in my state, i would of paid him a nice visit already.

-=HUNGRYMAN=- · 01-07-2003, 11:58 PM

OK ... Since everybody here seems to be more interested in MY business than their own, here it is in black and white ...

YES, I owe a total of $1, 422.00 to 3 designers that have done work for me ...

I am not proud of this fact, and have been doing everything in my power to try and rectify this situation.

Due to all the mayhem that has gone on here, and the agressive assaults on me, I took in a whopping $210.00 for the month of December ... to which I even took a screen capture of my PayPal and showed Kelly ...

I have not even paid my rent for January yet, and without a place to live, I cannot make the money to pay ANY expenses ...

I DO NOT TRY TO HIDE the fact that yes I did dip into this money ... I am guilty as charged.

The other day somebody posed the question to me "DO YOU DESIGN GALLERIES YOURSELF ?" to which I replied"YES", which I do ... I never said that I did not ever outsource galleries ... and the 5 samples I posted in that thread were indeed done by me.

I have been trying to do the damage control to try and make the money to pay off these 3 debts, but with the assault on me taking place here, it is becoming harder and harder to do ...

Unfortunately, pissing on me on the board does not make money mysteriously appear ...

I have never once denied these debts exist, and one way or another they WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF...

Anybody who has met me in person knows that I am a decent guy ... unfortunately, I made a mistake to which I am paying for in more ways than one ...

I have been very stressed out as to wanting to pay these debts in full, and will find a way to do so ...

It would have been much easier for me to go into hiding, and recreate myself as a new character, or just disappear altogether ... but I have no intension of doing so ... I am a decent person, an I will answer to my wrong-doings.

I have been offering gallery templates for $99 for 3, and will continue to do so until the debts I owe are 100% taken care of ...

These are the samples of galleries DESIGNED BY ME, if anybody would like to help me work off my debts ...

sample 1

sample 2

sample 3

sample 4

sample 5

I have been in this business long enough to see firsthand companies that owe A HELL OF ALOT MORE THAN $1422.00 disappear without a trace ... and I know that of everybody reading this, I am not the ONLY person to have ever gone into debt ...

To the 3 people I am indebted to ... I know I have fucked up, and I am very sorry, and I will come clean on these debts.

To the rest of you ... please do not pass judement on somebody, for the sake of a little bit of board drama ... If I really wanted to fuck anybody over, I would have disappeared a long time ago ... you have to admit that I have taken a HUGE beating on the board, yet I am still here, and owning up to my mistakes ... would a dishonest person be doing that ??? I am inclined to think not.

Sorry about the length of this post, but it is something that needed to be addressed.

Fletch XXX · 01-08-2003, 12:00 AM

even again, begging for work.

damn dude.

machineg · 01-08-2003, 12:03 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
even again, begging for work.

damn dude.

yet it sparks an Idea ..

hungry name the designers you owe money ...
and the amounts.. then we will have a special .. you sell what ever amount of galleries at whatever price . and they can forward your payment dirrectly to us rather than you ... then you will have a taste of working for nothing

-=HUNGRYMAN=- · 01-08-2003, 12:03 AM

Fletch ... I NEVER did boast to you about doing those galleries myself ... the truth of the matter is that Fletch does not even talk to me on ICQ ..... another attempt to smear more shit on me ...

To ALL the designers ... there is enough work for everybody, without having to go for each others throats.

Fletch, it is more than apparent you have had a vendetta against me for quite some time now .... anybody who is keeping track will know this is true ..

machineg · 01-08-2003, 12:05 AM

in addition ... I want you to designa nifty little page and button to advertise these specials...

better yet.. Id like a rush order .. have it by tomorow please ..

-=HUNGRYMAN=- · 01-08-2003, 12:05 AM

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Originally posted by machineg

yet it sparks an Idea ..

hungry name the designers you owe money ...
and the amounts.. then we will have a special .. you sell what ever amount of galleries at whatever price . and they can forward your payment dirrectly to us rather than you ... then you will have a taste of working for nothing

an arrangement similar to that DID cross my mind Kelly ... but I do not think it needs to resort to that

Fletch XXX · 01-08-2003, 12:05 AM

I quoted you asking Local G about the gallery job which you landed. You claimed to do your gallery work yourself, the last time you were outed for Paysite nonsense.

Then it comes out that you didnt do the work.

I didnt make anything up.

Im just not afraid to speak when youre conman actions make the light.

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Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-

(and YES, I do the gallery designs myself Fetch) ... and can boast at least a 3-6% CTR also !!!

sounds like boasting to me.

Then you landed the job and outsourced the work.

machineg · 01-08-2003, 12:07 AM

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Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-

an arrangement similar to that DID cross my mind Kelly ... but I do not think it needs to resort to that

wrong .
it does . lets see you crank out 20 fucking templates in one day ..

AND NOT GET PAYED ..

-=HUNGRYMAN=- · 01-08-2003, 12:10 AM

I have laid all my cards on the table now ...

You will be paid ... and may I make one request ... that when you are paid, you will come here and post that you have indeed been paid ... and make that post as sensational as this one.

NOBODY here has ever been in debt before ?

pink_in_the_middle · 01-08-2003, 12:10 AM

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Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-
[B]OK ... Since everybody here seems to be more interested in MY business than their own, here it is in black and white ...

Hungry everyone is interested because you fuck designers over!!!
This isn't some board drama B.S!!! Get your fucking head on straight.

Sly_RJ · 01-08-2003, 12:12 AM

I don't understand this.

Client hits you up with a $600 order. You need cash, badly. December was very bad to you. You know how to design galleries yourself.

So why would you even bother outsourcing the gig for half the profit? That doesn't make sense. You could have spent the day or even two busting your balls, like Kelly did, and you would have had a nice little sum of cash to spread around to your debtors to hopefully establish a bit of good faith.

pink_in_the_middle · 01-08-2003, 12:13 AM

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Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-
NOBODY here has ever been in debt before ?

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I'm sure we've all been in debt before. There should be NO FUCKING REASON for you to give designers work making them think you're going to pay them and then FUCK THEM OVER!!!!!

WTF were you thinking????
You've pissed with the wrong girl sweetheart

-=HUNGRYMAN=- · 01-08-2003, 12:15 AM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
I don't understand this.

Client hits you up with a $600 order. You need cash, badly. December was very bad to you. You know how to design galleries yourself.

So why would you even bother outsourcing the gig for half the profit? That doesn't make sense. You could have spent the day or even two busting your balls, like Kelly did, and you would have had a nice little sum of cash to spread around to your debtors to hopefully establish a bit of good faith.

Only because I could not deliver the job fast enough ... I was designing galleries for another client at the time ...

Sly_RJ · 01-08-2003, 12:16 AM

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Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-
I have laid all my cards on the table now ...

You will be paid ... and may I make one request ... that when you are paid, you will come here and post that you have indeed been paid ... and make that post as sensational as this one.

NOBODY here has ever been in debt before ?

This post was not sensational man. Kelly had more patience than over 90% of the people around here.

And yes, I'm in debt right now. I pay monthly installments according to a prearranged contract. If Dell called me tomorrow and needed the cash, I could say fuck off or cough it up. All by following their contract.

A mans word is his bond man.

quiet · 01-08-2003, 12:16 AM

some people live in a business reality completely seperate from mine.

machineg · 01-08-2003, 12:17 AM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
I don't understand this.

Client hits you up with a $600 order. You need cash, badly. December was very bad to you. You know how to design galleries yourself.

So why would you even bother outsourcing the gig for half the profit? That doesn't make sense. You could have spent the day or even two busting your balls, like Kelly did, and you would have had a nice little sum of cash to spread around to your debtors to hopefully establish a bit of good faith.

EXACTLY!

-=HUNGRYMAN=- · 01-08-2003, 12:17 AM

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Originally posted by pink_in_the_middle

I'm sure we've all been in debt before. There should be NO FUCKING REASON for you to give designers work making them think you're going to pay them and then FUCK THEM OVER!!!!!

WTF were you thinking????
You've pissed with the wrong girl sweetheart

Stephanie ... I am not pissing with you at all ...
Kelly will be paid every cent owed to him just as soon as I can come up with the cash ...

My only other option would be to disappear ... and I am NOT about to do that !

You have had your say ... and I have admitted full guilt ... now it is time to let me try to procure the cash to settle this.

machineg · 01-08-2003, 12:18 AM

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posted by local G "WOW thanks !!!

fletch man thanks much for the great job on the 30 galleries .. you work is tight and on time brotha!!!!
also i got another 30 from hungryman.. he also did a good job.."

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cherrylula · 01-08-2003, 12:19 AM

Hungryman your excuses hold no water.

Its one thing to be in debt, but another to knowingly receive money for work you are outsourcing, and then not do the work yourself, and then not pay the designer.

That's called ripping someone off, and straight up lying to them about their payment.

Yeah give us a sob story. Maybe you can get another order for galleries, get paid up front, keep the money, and outsource it urgent at the last minute to some poor sap on who feels bad for you and thinks he is going to make a couple bucks. Or use it to pay the designers complaining about you owing them money, and just put off a new sucker for payment.

pink_in_the_middle · 01-08-2003, 12:20 AM

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Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-

an arrangement similar to that DID cross my mind Kelly ... but I do not think it needs to resort to that

May I ask WHY do you think it doesn't need to resort to that???

-=HUNGRYMAN=- · 01-08-2003, 12:22 AM

no cherry ... I have learned from my mistake ... I am not outsourcing galleries anymore, and I am only taking orders for what I know I can finish in the time alotted ... thus way my debt will not grow any further than it is ... I am not 100% stupid ... only 80%

cherrylula · 01-08-2003, 12:22 AM

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Originally posted by quiet
some people live in a business reality completely seperate from mine.

isn't it strange? I have a hard time comprehending why someone would want to run their business like this.

crack maybe?

Sly_RJ · 01-08-2003, 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-
no cherry ... I have learned from my mistake ... I am not outsourcing galleries anymore, and I am only taking orders for what I know I can finish in the time alotted ... thus way my debt will not grow any further than it is ... I am not 100% stupid ... only 80%

Doesn't Vid handle this type of stuff? The organization of projects?

-=HUNGRYMAN=- · 01-08-2003, 12:27 AM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

A mans word is his bond man.

Agreed ... I know a mans word is his bond, and THAT is why I am answeing to these charges ... not running from them ...

It would have been much easier for HUNGRYMAN to "disappear" ... but I could not live with myself in doing that ... I have hit hard times ... but I know it will get better

-=HUNGRYMAN=- · 01-08-2003, 12:29 AM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Doesn't Vid handle this type of stuff? The organization of projects?

These debts were procured by me ... and me only ... they do not involve Vid ...

machineg · 01-08-2003, 12:30 AM

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Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-

Agreed ... I know a mans word is his bond, and THAT is why I am answeing to these charges ... not running from them ...

It would have been much easier for HUNGRYMAN to "disappear" ... but I could not live with myself in doing that ... I have hit hard times ... but I know it will get better

not anytime soon I dont think man

pink_in_the_middle · 01-08-2003, 12:33 AM

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Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-
no cherry ... I have learned from my mistake ... I am not outsourcing galleries anymore, and I am only taking orders for what I know I can finish in the time alotted ... thus way my debt will not grow any further than it is ... I am not 100% stupid ... only 80%

You fail to answer my question Hungry.
"May I ask WHY do you think it doesn't need to resort to that???"

machineg · 01-08-2003, 12:33 AM

so hungry .. who else do you owe..
give them the credit they deserve .. your so honest and shit .

-=HUNGRYMAN=- · 01-08-2003, 12:38 AM

C'mon ... in all seriousness ... do you go to store to shop, and then pay your bill to their debtors directly ???

Sly_RJ · 01-08-2003, 12:40 AM

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Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-
C'mon ... in all seriousness ... do you go to store to shop, and then pay your bill to their debtors directly ???

I always pay cash.

I can't stand being in debt. Makes me feel empty inside. No security.

-=HUNGRYMAN=- · 01-08-2003, 12:41 AM

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Originally posted by machineg
so hungry .. who else do you owe..
give them the credit they deserve .. your so honest and shit .

I owe Rikki-Lee ... and I owe Nem
BOTH amounts larger than yours ...

And I must give credit where due .... I have explained the situation to them, and they are handling it much more professionally than this ...

quiet · 01-08-2003, 12:41 AM

if i don't pay my hosting bill each month, my servers would all be turned off. no 'i'm sorry, i'll make it up to you'. just shut off.

as it should be (duh).

-=HUNGRYMAN=- · 01-08-2003, 12:42 AM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

I always pay cash.

I can't stand being in debt. Makes me feel empty inside. No security.

I look forward to being in that position Sly ... and it will happen, because I am not a quitter.

pink_in_the_middle · 01-08-2003, 12:46 AM

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Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-
[B]Stephanie ... I am not pissing with you at all ...
Kelly will be paid every cent owed to him just as soon as I can come up with the cash ...

Hungry when you piss with my man you piss with me.

FlyingIguana · 01-08-2003, 12:47 AM

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Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-
C'mon ... in all seriousness ... do you go to store to shop, and then pay your bill to their debtors directly ???

i put it on my credit card and allocate money in my bank account to pay it off when my statement comes.

machineg · 01-08-2003, 12:48 AM

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Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-
C'mon ... in all seriousness ... do you go to store to shop, and then pay your bill to their debtors directly ???

no ... but if I dont pay them they call me twenty fucking times a day .

I am too busy for that . so I would rather offer your services at a low cost and then blow the money my self .

BJ · 01-08-2003, 12:49 AM

me no credit card, nor do I ever plan on having one

-=HUNGRYMAN=- · 01-08-2003, 12:49 AM

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Originally posted by pink_in_the_middle

Hungry when you piss with my man you piss with me.

Understood

But I never wanted to "piss" with kelly either

I do not see board pissing as very productive, but I guess everybody has their own opinions ...

I will be in contact with kelly soon ... hopefully with some cash

pink_in_the_middle · 01-08-2003, 12:49 AM

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Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-

I have explained the situation to them, and they are handling it much more professionally than this ...

Oh please don't start blabbing about professionalism.

machineg · 01-08-2003, 12:51 AM

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Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-

And I must give credit where due .... I have explained the situation to them, and they are handling it much more professionally than this ...

you stupid muther fucker..

do you not see ..
voodoo is right a fish doesnt know hes in water...

look at yourself dude . you are calling ME unprofessional ..
did you fucking read this post .
I didnt rat you out. some one found your shit in my portfolio '

I TOLD YOU LAST FUCKING WEEK I WANTED MY CASH SATURDAY OR I WAS DOING IT .. you failed to check

Unprofessional is outsourcing all your shit and living off the profits. and ours as well

pink_in_the_middle · 01-08-2003, 12:53 AM

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Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-

Understood

But I never wanted to "piss" with kelly either

I do not see board pissing as very productive, but I guess everybody has their own opinions ...

I will be in contact with kelly soon ... hopefully with some cash

Hungry you choose to piss with EVERY designer when you dipped your greedy little hands into their pockets!!!

pink_in_the_middle · 01-08-2003, 12:56 AM

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Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-
[B]
I do not see board pissing as very productive, but I guess everybody has their own opinions ...

You don't see it productive because you're the one getting fucked. But what if it was the other way around?? How long would you take this shit for????

Thor · 01-08-2003, 01:02 AM

hey hungryman
You have been in this biz for a long time, do you really think its wise to fuck people up like that ?
Kelly is a good guy, give him his money and maybe people will allow you to stay in the adult business.
Remember that people will always recognise your design work, so its not like you can return in a month without anybody knowing who you are.

01-07-2003, 11:06 PM	#52
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	the guy is a one man bbs soap opera. __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

01-07-2003, 11:29 PM	#55
greentea Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 6,580	I would not buy any of hungrymans bullshit excuses, once a theif always a theif. Sorry to hear you got fucked over like this, you need to get in line with the other designers who have been fucked by him. Only thing you can do now is warn people about this conman. __________________ blunts

01-07-2003, 11:42 PM	#57
greentea Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 6,580	Go get em girl! If that con lived in my state, i would of paid him a nice visit already. __________________ blunts

01-07-2003, 11:58 PM	#58
-=HUNGRYMAN=- Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Between your mamma's legs Posts: 4,753	OK ... Since everybody here seems to be more interested in MY business than their own, here it is in black and white ... YES, I owe a total of $1, 422.00 to 3 designers that have done work for me ... I am not proud of this fact, and have been doing everything in my power to try and rectify this situation. Due to all the mayhem that has gone on here, and the agressive assaults on me, I took in a whopping $210.00 for the month of December ... to which I even took a screen capture of my PayPal and showed Kelly ... I have not even paid my rent for January yet, and without a place to live, I cannot make the money to pay ANY expenses ... I DO NOT TRY TO HIDE the fact that yes I did dip into this money ... I am guilty as charged. The other day somebody posed the question to me "DO YOU DESIGN GALLERIES YOURSELF ?" to which I replied"YES", which I do ... I never said that I did not ever outsource galleries ... and the 5 samples I posted in that thread were indeed done by me. I have been trying to do the damage control to try and make the money to pay off these 3 debts, but with the assault on me taking place here, it is becoming harder and harder to do ... Unfortunately, pissing on me on the board does not make money mysteriously appear ... I have never once denied these debts exist, and one way or another they WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF... Anybody who has met me in person knows that I am a decent guy ... unfortunately, I made a mistake to which I am paying for in more ways than one ... I have been very stressed out as to wanting to pay these debts in full, and will find a way to do so ... It would have been much easier for me to go into hiding, and recreate myself as a new character, or just disappear altogether ... but I have no intension of doing so ... I am a decent person, an I will answer to my wrong-doings. I have been offering gallery templates for $99 for 3, and will continue to do so until the debts I owe are 100% taken care of ... These are the samples of galleries DESIGNED BY ME, if anybody would like to help me work off my debts ... sample 1 sample 2 sample 3 sample 4 sample 5 I have been in this business long enough to see firsthand companies that owe A HELL OF ALOT MORE THAN $1422.00 disappear without a trace ... and I know that of everybody reading this, I am not the ONLY person to have ever gone into debt ... To the 3 people I am indebted to ... I know I have fucked up, and I am very sorry, and I will come clean on these debts. To the rest of you ... please do not pass judement on somebody, for the sake of a little bit of board drama ... If I really wanted to fuck anybody over, I would have disappeared a long time ago ... you have to admit that I have taken a HUGE beating on the board, yet I am still here, and owning up to my mistakes ... would a dishonest person be doing that ??? I am inclined to think not. Sorry about the length of this post, but it is something that needed to be addressed. __________________

01-08-2003, 12:00 AM	#59
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	even again, begging for work. damn dude. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

01-08-2003, 12:03 AM	#61
-=HUNGRYMAN=- Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Between your mamma's legs Posts: 4,753	Fletch ... I NEVER did boast to you about doing those galleries myself ... the truth of the matter is that Fletch does not even talk to me on ICQ ..... another attempt to smear more shit on me ... To ALL the designers ... there is enough work for everybody, without having to go for each others throats. Fletch, it is more than apparent you have had a vendetta against me for quite some time now .... anybody who is keeping track will know this is true .. __________________

01-08-2003, 12:05 AM	#62
machineg Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,090	in addition ... I want you to designa nifty little page and button to advertise these specials... better yet.. Id like a rush order .. have it by tomorow please .. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

01-08-2003, 12:10 AM	#66
-=HUNGRYMAN=- Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Between your mamma's legs Posts: 4,753	I have laid all my cards on the table now ... You will be paid ... and may I make one request ... that when you are paid, you will come here and post that you have indeed been paid ... and make that post as sensational as this one. NOBODY here has ever been in debt before ? __________________

01-08-2003, 12:12 AM	#68
Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	I don't understand this. Client hits you up with a $600 order. You need cash, badly. December was very bad to you. You know how to design galleries yourself. So why would you even bother outsourcing the gig for half the profit? That doesn't make sense. You could have spent the day or even two busting your balls, like Kelly did, and you would have had a nice little sum of cash to spread around to your debtors to hopefully establish a bit of good faith. __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

01-08-2003, 12:16 AM	#72
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	some people live in a business reality completely seperate from mine. __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

01-08-2003, 12:19 AM	#76
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	Hungryman your excuses hold no water. Its one thing to be in debt, but another to knowingly receive money for work you are outsourcing, and then not do the work yourself, and then not pay the designer. That's called ripping someone off, and straight up lying to them about their payment. Yeah give us a sob story. Maybe you can get another order for galleries, get paid up front, keep the money, and outsource it urgent at the last minute to some poor sap on who feels bad for you and thinks he is going to make a couple bucks. Or use it to pay the designers complaining about you owing them money, and just put off a new sucker for payment.

01-08-2003, 12:22 AM	#78
-=HUNGRYMAN=- Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Between your mamma's legs Posts: 4,753	no cherry ... I have learned from my mistake ... I am not outsourcing galleries anymore, and I am only taking orders for what I know I can finish in the time alotted ... thus way my debt will not grow any further than it is ... I am not 100% stupid ... only 80% __________________

01-08-2003, 12:33 AM	#85
machineg Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,090	so hungry .. who else do you owe.. give them the credit they deserve .. your so honest and shit . __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

01-08-2003, 12:38 AM	#86
-=HUNGRYMAN=- Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Between your mamma's legs Posts: 4,753	C'mon ... in all seriousness ... do you go to store to shop, and then pay your bill to their debtors directly ??? __________________

01-08-2003, 12:41 AM	#89
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	if i don't pay my hosting bill each month, my servers would all be turned off. no 'i'm sorry, i'll make it up to you'. just shut off. as it should be (duh). __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

01-08-2003, 12:49 AM	#94
BJ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: asia Posts: 5,590	me no credit card, nor do I ever plan on having one

01-08-2003, 01:02 AM	#100
Thor Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Does anyhahahaha care ? Posts: 721	hey hungryman You have been in this biz for a long time, do you really think its wise to fuck people up like that ? Kelly is a good guy, give him his money and maybe people will allow you to stay in the adult business. Remember that people will always recognise your design work, so its not like you can return in a month without anybody knowing who you are.