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fris · 08-29-2010, 09:37 AM

Whats the process in USA to get a gun, can you just walk into a 7-11 (AaronM said something about this in his gun video) or Walmart and get a gun without a permit?

I know here in Canada, you cant you have to have the permit first and its not easy.

Amputate Your Head · 08-29-2010, 09:40 AM

go to a gun show and buy one.

AaronM · 08-29-2010, 09:42 AM

No permit required for most guns in most of the US. Walmart and Sevy don't sell them.

cambaby · 08-29-2010, 09:45 AM

Shotguns can be bought over the counter no questions asked, thank God.

Vendzilla · 08-29-2010, 09:48 AM

Brady law requires a wait after purchase, time to cool down, then state to state, some make you take a class, unless you have a dd214 from the service
Carry permits vary from county to county in California, in my county, it's a 12 hour class and you have to prove you can shoot the gun

AaronM · 08-29-2010, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

Shotguns can be bought over the counter no questions asked, thank God.

Not true.

AaronM · 08-29-2010, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Brady law requires a wait after purchase, time to cool down

Also not true.

GotGauge · 08-29-2010, 09:58 AM

What type of Gun? Handgun, Rifle, shotgun?

Gun Shows you can get weapons the same day, I believe they still do call for a Back Ground Check, but not 100% sure on that.

Gun stores, you can get Rifles or Shotguns the with a simple form they call in and do a quick back ground check on you. You only need to be 18.

Walmart here sells Rifles and Shotguns, again with a quick form and a phone call if approved, it takes about 10 minutes.

Handguns, I am not sure on, except you must be 21. Last time I purchased one there was a 3 or 5 day wait.

All my answers are based from Kansas.

GotGauge · 08-29-2010, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

Shotguns can be bought over the counter no questions asked, thank God.

NO, You must fill out a Form, then, they call for a quick back ground check!

jollyperv · 08-29-2010, 09:59 AM

It's different for every state

MaDalton · 08-29-2010, 10:00 AM

can i buy a tank? i think handguns and rifles are a waste of time

cambaby · 08-29-2010, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Not true.

WTF are you talking about, I just bought a new one three days ago in Michigan at Gander Mountain, no wait nothing went to counter picked one out and paid for it and walked out.

AaronM · 08-29-2010, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GotGauge

Walmart here sells Rifles and Shotguns....

Interesting.

Not that I frequent Walmart but I've been to several of them in 3 different states and never seen anything more than BB and paintball guns. I know they do sell ammo though.

AaronM · 08-29-2010, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

WTF are you talking about, I just bought a new one three days ago in Michigan at Gander Mountain, no wait nothing went to counter picked one out and paid for it and walked out.

Your claim was: "...no questions asked..."

And that's not true.

AaronM · 08-29-2010, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

can i buy a tank? i think handguns and rifles are a waste of time

Yes you can.

I know a guy who bought 3 of them about 2 months ago.

cambaby · 08-29-2010, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Your claim was: "...no questions asked..." And that's not true.

They didnt ask me any questions... where the fuck do you live? California probably.
http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbys...gunlaws_mi.htm

Thank God for the Michigan Militia!

AaronM · 08-29-2010, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by GotGauge

What type of Gun? Handgun, Rifle, shotgun?

Gun Shows you can get weapons the same day, I believe they still do call for a Back Ground Check, but not 100% sure on that.

Gun stores, you can get Rifles or Shotguns the with a simple form they call in and do a quick back ground check on you. You only need to be 18.

Walmart here sells Rifles and Shotguns, again with a quick form and a phone call if approved, it takes about 10 minutes.

Handguns, I am not sure on, except you must be 21. Last time I purchased one there was a 3 or 5 day wait.

All my answers are based from Kansas.

The Brady Bill requires that any person purchasing a handgungun from a licensed dealer to go through a background check. This includes retail locations, Internet stores, and gun shows. This is Federal law.

Different states, counties, etc...may impose additional restrictions such as waiting periods and so forth.

AaronM · 08-29-2010, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

They didnt ask me any questions... where the fuck do you live? California probably.
http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbys...gunlaws_mi.htm

Thank God for the Michigan Militia!

I live in the US where Federal Law requires you to fill out a form. That form asks you several questions.

If you bought a shotgun from Gander Mountain and you didn't do this then both you and Gander Mountain have violated Federal law.

Amputate Your Head · 08-29-2010, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by GotGauge

What type of Gun? Handgun, Rifle, shotgun?

Gun Shows you can get weapons the same day, I believe they still do call for a Back Ground Check, but not 100% sure on that.

Gun stores, you can get Rifles or Shotguns the with a simple form they call in and do a quick back ground check on you. You only need to be 18.

Walmart here sells Rifles and Shotguns, again with a quick form and a phone call if approved, it takes about 10 minutes.

Handguns, I am not sure on, except you must be 21. Last time I purchased one there was a 3 or 5 day wait.

All my answers are based from Kansas.

Bought a Ruger 9mm in Kansas.... 1990.

cambaby · 08-29-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

The Brady Bill requires that any person purchasing a gun from a licensed dealer to go through a background check. This includes retail locations, Internet stores, and gun shows. Rifle, Handgun, Shotgun....all the same requirements under Brady. This is Federal law.

Different states, counties, etc...may impose additional restrictions such as waiting periods and so forth.

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Originally Posted by AaronM

I live in the US where Federal Law requires you to fill out a form. That form asks you several questions. If you bought a shotgun from Gander Mountain and you didn't do this then both you and Gander Mountain have violated Federal law.

Not Shotguns, states make their own laws on what are considered "firearms". In Michigan a firearm is less than 30 inches or higher than a certain caliber(and I dont have that number off hand) but your basic shotgun is NOT considered a firearm in the state of Michigan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_H...Prevention_Act

Id move out of whatever police state you are in buddy.

AaronM · 08-29-2010, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

Not Shotguns, states make their own laws on what are considered "firearms".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_H...Prevention_Act

Id move out of whatever police state you are in buddy.

You're wrong.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/atf-f-4473.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_4473

cambaby · 08-29-2010, 10:18 AM

You should be afraid, very afraid liberals.

AaronM · 08-29-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

Not Shotguns, states make their own laws on what are considered "firearms". In Michigan a firearm is less than 30 inches or higher than a certain caliber(and I dont have that number off hand) but your basic shotgun is NOT considered a firearm in the state of Michigan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_H...Prevention_Act

Id move out of whatever police state you are in buddy.

I will admit that I edited that part as it was primarily discussing Brady which is a handgun law. However, a 4473 is still required for Shotguns.

bushwacker · 08-29-2010, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

You should be afraid, very afraid liberals.

AaronM · 08-29-2010, 10:22 AM

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...4180610AAhKlQM

Amputate Your Head · 08-29-2010, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

You should be afraid, very afraid liberals.

Of what? A bunch of rednecks toting firearms? Please.

cambaby · 08-29-2010, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by bushwacker

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Of what? A bunch of rednecks toting firearms? Please.

Ill take a highly trained militia over Obamas ghetto negros in life jackets buddy.

GotGauge · 08-29-2010, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Interesting.

Not that I frequent Walmart but I've been to several of them in 3 different states and never seen anything more than BB and paintball guns. I know they do sell ammo though.

This is the only state I have seen them in that I can remember!
All of our walmarts offered them, but it seems the "bad" parts of town, walmarts, no longer sell them here.

Amputate Your Head · 08-29-2010, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

Ill take a highly trained militia over Obamas ghetto negros in life jackets buddy.

and I'll take my professional military training over a group of gun happy campers playing games in the forest.

AaronM · 08-29-2010, 10:27 AM

As I'm reading now.....Brady may have been changed to cover any guns.

Page 3 paragraph 3.

http://www.titleii.com/pdf/4473.pdf

cambaby · 08-29-2010, 10:30 AM

You must be on of Obamas federal goons, obsessed with this Brady character arent you? He did have a pretty cool sitcom tho. Just click play smile and forget that fact that red states are stockpiling weapons to take you people out.

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Originally Posted by AaronM

As I'm reading now.....Brady may have been changed to cover any guns. Page 3 paragraph 3. http://www.titleii.com/pdf/4473.pdf

AaronM · 08-29-2010, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

You must be on of Obamas federal goons, obsessed with this Brady character arent you? He did have a pretty cool sitcom tho. Just click play smile and forget that fact that red states are stockpiling weapons to take you people out.

Maybe, instead of acting like an ignorant asshole, you should take a little time to discover who you are talking to and what my stance on guns is in the first place.

cambaby · 08-29-2010, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Maybe, instead of acting like an ignorant asshole, you should take a little time to discover who you are talking to and what my stance on guns is in the first place.

I dont give a fuck what stance you have on guns or who the fuck you are, I know for a FACT that I can and have purchased shotguns in this state with no license, no "background check" nothing I just pay for it with cash and walk out. Does this anger you?

Move to a different state because wherever you live if you gotta jump through hoops to get a fucking shotgun you are in a police state.

Amputate Your Head · 08-29-2010, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

I dont give a fuck what stance you have on guns or who the fuck you are, I know for a FACT that I can and have purchased shotguns in this state with no license, no "background check" nothing I just pay for it with cash and walk out. Does this anger you?

Move to a different state because wherever you live if you gotta jump through hoops to get a fucking shotgun you are in a police state.

you really are a tool.

fris · 08-29-2010, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

No permit required for most guns in most of the US. Walmart and Sevy don't sell them.

What about the gun in that video you posted?

How long of a wait did you have to have, I take it 7-11 doesnt sell guns ;)

GotGauge · 08-29-2010, 10:46 AM

Cambaby, What state, Town, Store is that?

DWB · 08-29-2010, 10:47 AM

Don't know what kind of gun you are getting, but if it's for home protection, just pick up good old Mossberg 500 shotgun and turn it into a tactical weapon, like this one.

When I bought my last shotgun in the USA (several years ago), they just sold it to me and out I walked.

AaronM · 08-29-2010, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

I dont give a fuck what stance you have on guns or who the fuck you are, I know for a FACT that I can and have purchased shotguns in this state with no license, no "background check" nothing I just pay for it with cash and walk out. Does this anger you?

Move to a different state because wherever you live if you gotta jump through hoops to get a fucking shotgun you are in a police state.

You do understand the difference between state and Federal law don't you?

The only person here who appears to be angry is you.

Let's take this back up to the top....

You said:

"Shotguns can be bought over the counter no questions asked, thank God."

FACT: Federal Law requires an FFL holder to fill out a form 4473 for ANY gun sold/transferred. 4473 has MANY questions on the form.

What part of this are you having difficulty following?

GotGauge · 08-29-2010, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by fris

What about the gun in that video you posted?

How long of a wait did you have to have, I take it 7-11 doesnt sell guns ;)

the 7-11 thing is a Joke!

AaronM · 08-29-2010, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by fris

What about the gun in that video you posted?

How long of a wait did you have to have, I take it 7-11 doesnt sell guns ;)

Depends on which video you are referring to.

The last video was basically an M-16 with a short barrel and a suppressor. That takes 3 different tax stamps which each have background checks. You can read a Little about NFA items here.

I've seen some NFA things come back in about 2 months and others up to 6.

cambaby · 08-29-2010, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

You do understand the difference between state and Federal law don't you? The only person here who appears to be angry is you. Let's take this back up to the top.... You said: "Shotguns can be bought over the counter no questions asked, thank God." FACT: Federal Law requires an FFL holder to fill out a form 4473 for ANY gun sold/transferred. 4473 has MANY questions on the form. What part of this are you having difficulty following?

Read in its entirety please...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...d_Check_System

AaronM · 08-29-2010, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

Read in its entirety please...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...d_Check_System

Why? We aren't talking about NICS.

We are talking about form 4473.

HD Content · 08-29-2010, 11:12 AM

Many of the ex felons rights were restored back when Obama was being elected. (Almost all non violent offenders)
Thus was needed for many minority votes to win the pre-planned election.

So the Brady bill is now just a wash.

AaromM you sound so much like cop its not even funny. Find out more facts before you make an attempt to speak of facts.

cambaby · 08-29-2010, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Why? We aren't talking about NICS. We are talking about form 4473.

Which only applies to FFL.

cambaby · 08-29-2010, 11:14 AM

I must apologize to Fris for hijacking his thread I hope you get the answers you need dude, here in Michigan its pretty laid back purchasing firearms, since you are close in Canada there you probably could get what you wanted if you went to a private show here without too much trouble. Hell most of the people there would help you get what you needed.

GotGauge · 08-29-2010, 11:15 AM

Cambaby,
Do you have a FFL?
What State, City, Store did you do this in? Easy to call them!

cambaby · 08-29-2010, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GotGauge

Cambaby, Do you have a FFL? What State, City, Store did you do this in? Easy to call them!

Why would I have an FFL? I am a private citizen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Firearms_License

cambaby · 08-29-2010, 11:20 AM

Hoorah motherfuckers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia..._United_States

AaronM · 08-29-2010, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by cambaby

Which only applies to FFL.

Which includes Gander Mountain where you purchased the shotgun.

AaronM · 08-29-2010, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by HD Content

Many of the ex felons rights were restored back when Obama was being elected. (Almost all non violent offenders)
Thus was needed for many minority votes to win the pre-planned election.

So the Brady bill is now just a wash.

AaromM you sound so much like cop its not even funny. Find out more facts before you make an attempt to speak of facts.

The Brady Bill is a wash and I sound like a cop who needs to learn more facts.

LOL

Most cops, just like most GFY'ers, don't know shit about gun laws. They just think they do.

08-29-2010, 09:37 AM	#1
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08-29-2010, 09:48 AM	#5
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08-29-2010, 09:58 AM	#8
GotGauge Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: USA Posts: 3,072	What type of Gun? Handgun, Rifle, shotgun? Gun Shows you can get weapons the same day, I believe they still do call for a Back Ground Check, but not 100% sure on that. Gun stores, you can get Rifles or Shotguns the with a simple form they call in and do a quick back ground check on you. You only need to be 18. Walmart here sells Rifles and Shotguns, again with a quick form and a phone call if approved, it takes about 10 minutes. Handguns, I am not sure on, except you must be 21. Last time I purchased one there was a 3 or 5 day wait. All my answers are based from Kansas. __________________ ICQ 22264474 [email protected]

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AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	No permit required for most guns in most of the US. Walmart and Sevy don't sell them.

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cambaby So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: CR Posts: 3,141	Shotguns can be bought over the counter no questions asked, thank God.

08-29-2010, 09:59 AM	#10
jollyperv Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 3,927	It's different for every state

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cambaby So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: CR Posts: 3,141	You should be afraid, very afraid liberals.

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AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...4180610AAhKlQM

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AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	As I'm reading now.....Brady may have been changed to cover any guns. Page 3 paragraph 3. http://www.titleii.com/pdf/4473.pdf

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GotGauge Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: USA Posts: 3,072	Cambaby, What state, Town, Store is that? __________________ ICQ 22264474 [email protected]

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DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	Don't know what kind of gun you are getting, but if it's for home protection, just pick up good old Mossberg 500 shotgun and turn it into a tactical weapon, like this one. When I bought my last shotgun in the USA (several years ago), they just sold it to me and out I walked.

08-29-2010, 11:12 AM	#43
HD Content So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 316	Many of the ex felons rights were restored back when Obama was being elected. (Almost all non violent offenders) Thus was needed for many minority votes to win the pre-planned election. So the Brady bill is now just a wash. AaromM you sound so much like cop its not even funny. Find out more facts before you make an attempt to speak of facts. Last edited by HD Content; 08-29-2010 at 11:14 AM..

08-29-2010, 11:14 AM	#45
cambaby So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: CR Posts: 3,141	I must apologize to Fris for hijacking his thread I hope you get the answers you need dude, here in Michigan its pretty laid back purchasing firearms, since you are close in Canada there you probably could get what you wanted if you went to a private show here without too much trouble. Hell most of the people there would help you get what you needed.

08-29-2010, 11:15 AM	#46
GotGauge Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: USA Posts: 3,072	Cambaby, Do you have a FFL? What State, City, Store did you do this in? Easy to call them! __________________ ICQ 22264474 [email protected]

08-29-2010, 11:20 AM	#48
cambaby So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: CR Posts: 3,141	Hoorah motherfuckers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia..._United_States