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woj · 09-08-2010, 12:45 PM

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dyna mo · 09-08-2010, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

that's no different than walmart. some people find subpar products & subpar food acceptable. those that don't, buy better quality items & food elsewhere.

there will always be a market for all grades of things. it's why people pay extra for First Class. Walmart & McDonalds just cater to the lowest level of acceptable standards by hooking people with garage sale prices.

actually, i perused pretty much every aisle, except the girlie's panty aisle, and they carry all the brands my local stores carry. just cheaper. the quality of the produce was on par with my closer grocer, i did not buy any meat, so i can't speak to that.

BlackCrayon · 09-08-2010, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

that's no different than walmart. some people find subpar products & subpar food acceptable. those that don't, buy better quality items & food elsewhere.

there will always be a market for all grades of things. it's why people pay extra for First Class. Walmart & McDonalds just cater to the lowest level of acceptable standards by hooking people with garage sale prices.

im just saying no one seemed to care when it was happening. chain stores have raped the country of its uniqueness. Now everywhere you go has the same stores, the same styled malls, etc.

You can buy the same quality items at walmart or a high end shop when it comes to name brands though and its rare a place will beat their price unless its on sale. Costco and walmart, its just what people do to leave some extra money in their pocket.

cambaby · 09-08-2010, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DBS.US

Walmart sells Guns and beer

Santa is a busy man!

spazlabz · 09-08-2010, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

actually, none of that has anything to do with walmart. it's myopic to think walmart is to blame for manufacturing moving out of the u.s. it's also not accurate to state walmart costs america 100,000s of thousands of jobs, that's just not true.

I do not think that Wal Mart is solely responsible for manufacturing moving out of the US. I blame corporate greed versus corporate responsibility and a Government entirely too stupid to see the damage that was inevitable by following along like slobbering dogs such moronic things like the WTO and NAFTA. Simple enough? Make it easy for a company to get everything made outside the US for pennies on the dollar and they will take jobs away from Americans. By Wal Mart leading the way to purchase all their shit products from third world manufacturing they have insured the fall of the American middle class. Now they are not the ONLY company that does this, but they are a leader. Even when you read on their clothing that the garment was 'Made In America' it is a blatant legal ploy that everyone now knows is false

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i also think minimum wage is perfectly adequate for the tasks those sorts of employees do, it's not rocket science and quite frankly, considered menial labor.

Of course you do, a lot of people do. I consider that to be beyond short sighted. Those minimum wage earners are going to cost you money one way or the other you will pay for the growing number of Americans that are living at or below the poverty line. It is quite expensive to society to have a large percent of the population living in poverty. IF Wal Mart was a responsible corporate leader they would patronize companies that were based in the US and manufactured products in the US... I do not know if you have ever worked in a factory, I did. While I was not a piece meal employee (I was a welder) I saw piece meal employees who worked their asses off making high quality products for pennies a piece... and this was a union job. There are savings to be made there and Wal Mart could have agreements with US manufacturers to insure low prices on the products while employees made a living wage. It is possible, they choose not to

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the fact that the cost of living is disproportionate to wages is also not the fault of walmart. moreover, they're not an altruistic charity, they are a business, it's not their responsibility to save those who are not surviving on one wage, far from it.

I do not expect a company of any kind to be a charity, profits drive industry and I am not an idiot. You know that Henry Ford was probably the most influential Industrialist in history. He can up with mass production so that he could sell a good product at a price the average American could afford. IF companies continue to move jobs overseas or companies purchase products manufactured overseas exactly who is going to be able to afford to buy their product in the US. A shift is happening in the world economy and America is racing towards 2cd or 3rd world status. Our economic base is being slowly destroyed right under out feet and we are too busy arguing over the stupidest shit ever to notice.

while none of this is 'wal mart's fault' they are a huge player on a lot of different levels

theking · 09-08-2010, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i hadn't been to a walmart in years, went to my local one and was impressed, super low prices, super clean and a lot of busy worker bees working away.

example: bananas were 30c/pound v. 67c/pound at the local grocer.

I hate going to Walmart. I go there with a list of what I want to buy...but I can never seem to get out of there without throwing another three or four hundred on...because their shit is so cheap.

dyna mo · 09-08-2010, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by spazlabz

I do not think that Wal Mart is solely responsible for manufacturing moving out of the US. I blame corporate greed versus corporate responsibility and a Government entirely too stupid to see the damage that was inevitable by following along like slobbering dogs such moronic things like the WTO and NAFTA. Simple enough? Make it easy for a company to get everything made outside the US for pennies on the dollar and they will take jobs away from Americans. By Wal Mart leading the way to purchase all their shit products from third world manufacturing they have insured the fall of the American middle class. Now they are not the ONLY company that does this, but they are a leader. Even when you read on their clothing that the garment was 'Made In America' it is a blatant legal ploy that everyone now knows is false

Of course you do, a lot of people do. I consider that to be beyond short sighted. Those minimum wage earners are going to cost you money one way or the other you will pay for the growing number of Americans that are living at or below the poverty line. It is quite expensive to society to have a large percent of the population living in poverty. IF Wal Mart was a responsible corporate leader they would patronize companies that were based in the US and manufactured products in the US... I do not know if you have ever worked in a factory, I did. While I was not a piece meal employee (I was a welder) I saw piece meal employees who worked their asses off making high quality products for pennies a piece... and this was a union job. There are savings to be made there and Wal Mart could have agreements with US manufacturers to insure low prices on the products while employees made a living wage. It is possible, they choose not to

I do not expect a company of any kind to be a charity, profits drive industry and I am not an idiot. You know that Henry Ford was probably the most influential Industrialist in history. He can up with mass production so that he could sell a good product at a price the average American could afford. IF companies continue to move jobs overseas or companies purchase products manufactured overseas exactly who is going to be able to afford to buy their product in the US. A shift is happening in the world economy and America is racing towards 2cd or 3rd world status. Our economic base is being slowly destroyed right under out feet and we are too busy arguing over the stupidest shit ever to notice.

while none of this is 'wal mart's fault' they are a huge player on a lot of different levels

i see what you are saying now, i too disagree with nafta, etc. and also agree with your view on corporate greed. but i don't agree the middle class is/was being wiped out as you describe. fact is, the middle-class wipeout began a long time ago and way before all of this.

as for minimum wage, i am open to reviewing my position but as i see it, wages are commensurate with the how hard/technical the job is, period. we will always need ditch diggers and there will always be people who are supposed to be ditch diggers. if that means they will never be able to afford a house, 2.3 kids, an suv and a vacation every year, that's reality. we can't change that. now are football players worth $40million a year, fuck no. i get that, but the fact is, there are very few people who can do that while there are many who can dig a ditch.

i guess the difference between our views lies in cause & effect. you think walmart is the cause while i tend to think it's an effect.

theking · 09-08-2010, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

actually, i perused pretty much every aisle, except the girlie's panty aisle, and they carry all the brands my local stores carry. just cheaper. the quality of the produce was on par with my closer grocer, i did not buy any meat, so i can't speak to that.

Exactly...and they can sell the same brands cheaper than the local stores because of the bulk deals/volumn when they purchase a product.

dyna mo · 09-08-2010, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

the same styled malls, etc.

speaking of, whoever is designing parking lots obviously has no training or educating in that field and should be forced to spend the rest of their life driving around the parking lot.

dyna mo · 09-08-2010, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Exactly...and they can sell the same brands cheaper than the local stores because of the bulk deals/volumn when they purchase a product.

there was another walmart doc i watched about brands selling into walmart. those buyers drive hard bargains and cut the wholesale price to the bone. i've heard sometimes it's less than cost +10% which is outrageous margins, better have your #s right or you are thoroughly fucked when it comes production time.

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