gideongallery

i love how you ignore the actual court rulings and go to the "pending" court cases as proof

http://techcrunch.com/2008/08/28/wha...be-and-others/

titan lost their case again veoh
they made the same arguement about making money they were doing in the referenced case because veoh charged membership fees

i predicted that the fair use was an unfair business practice was going to lose when teen revenue made that arguement,

i was right they lost

prediction they will lose this arguement as well.

free speach (this is my favorite porn scene commentary) being an unfair business practice is going to be even more unlikely to win.

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Robbie

gideongallery...you are an idiot. But thanks for referencing a 2008 case that isn't related to the current 2010 case.

And by the way several settlements have already happened for Titan.

By the way...shouldn't you be making millions now? Didn't thedoc offer to do everything for you like you are a baby and use your magic methods of piracy to generate 100's of sales? I'm sure you FINALLY emailed him back after months now. Since you bragged how you could do it.

Oh wait? You didn't? You mean ONCE AGAIN you failed? Oh that's right, you have never done anything have you? Not even ONE thing. You are just a pathetic pro-piracy surfer who comes on GFY to spew your bullshit and laugh at hard working people.

Tick-Tock gideongallery...time is running out on your beloved thieves.

P.S.: Hows that "torrent recorder" you were inventing a year ago coming along? Made any money yet? No? Boy, your parents must really get tired of you living in their basement for the last 40 years... Get a job.

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Fabien

Oh man i think i just came in my jeans !
Go for it and other big programs should do the same.
I don't run such but trust me, i would have done it a lot sooner (no offense)

Fabien

Hummmmmmmmmmm interesting mate.
Very neat indeed !

Now we'll wait i see...

JustDaveXxx

Bump for Street Justice.

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haha robbie rocks thats all i can say

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Another 1000 went out again today, hope all you pirating douchebags can keep up...

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Good stuff Steve!

AmateurFlix

keep at it Steve. this is what it's going to take to change things. if I was a content owner, I'd be all over this.

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Be sure to double-check any on oron.com, a new filehoster that's cropped up now that RS isn't paying dividends to pirates. In my experience they ignore valid DMCAs, removing some but keeping most.

crowkid

damn im going to tell all my friends to torrent lightspeed continent now, lol

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trolled... lol

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Argos88

No, I have no idea who the fuck you are and I don't even care, dude.

I can only say you are some average joe that looks like an idiot and don't have a fucking clue about this busines, not even Internet.

Manwin.. what the fuck is that? Not even related to adult, funny..

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Loch

I know people that make more money suing people over this then they make running their regular business.

Best of Luck Steve, if you have the money to keep it up which im sure you do you will most likely either end up owning a ton of new sites or making a lot of money from this.

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PXN

I'm not wrong. Tubes are required to have 2257. There was an article on XBIZ regarding an attorney general saying tube site need to have 2257 regardless if it user upload. What you suggesting is just plain stupid. If what you say is true, then why don't you create a tube and when someone posted an underage teen having sex on your site, do you think your host are going to just sit there? Do you think authority is going to do nothing? I bet if you do it your ass will be in jail right now. To say you don't need 2257 for tube is like giving pedo a free ride to post whatever they want on the net. It have been widely know that tube need 2257 do the search yourself. And if what you are saying is so true why would these tube site bother putting up a 2257 links?

http://www.youjizz.com/2257.php




I randomly check out 5 big tubes and they all have 2257 doc. Even read what they wrote:

Fact is DMCA attempt failed more often then 2257 approach. The only reason why tube are getting away with DMCA is b/c the gov't don't give a shit about porn, they just let the law kill the industry themselves; and even gov't have limited resources and other priority. But if you report someone underage is posted on a fucking tube, upload or not, you are fucking doom. They will go after you for CP charge or a conspiracy to CP charge. No gov't would allow such a sick thing to happen and NO HOST WOULD WANT TO GET INVOLVED with such sleazy business.

The best way to fight tube is not to fight them directly with the letter of the law, the way to fight them is do what they have been successful at doing - skidding and finding loopholes in laws to allow them to survives. Every time they are file with the lawsuit, they put the ball on your court to prove intend (i.e. DMCA that you own the contents, etc.). The best way to fight them is to throw the ball back at them and force them to defend. This will make it more expensive for them as now they need to do something rather than you need to do something. What I'm suggesting is that people to start being creative and play the game like these jackass do - find ways to kill them without going directly at what you intend to target (i.e. taking your content down). Instead, to be successful at shutting down tube you must as I've stated, choke them, not give them a slap on the wrist with a fine or something. And the best way to choke them is to choke their traffic as this is their primary source of income.



Using 2257 creatively can allow you to throw the ball on their court. For instance, instead of going to the tube owner and telling him to take your stuff down, go to his host telling the host "this is my contents or this girls look underage and the guy who host this site do not have 2257 doc (or similar law in whatever countries they are at) as require by law. If you don't take them down I will sue your ass AND report your host to the federal authority". Now this would set up a trap, because as in their 2257 link they say, as the the quote from above, these video was age verified. If so they would need to provide the doc to the host as proof (unlikely something they'll have) and if they said this girl is over 18 and she appears on so and so site and her 2257 can be found on this site ABCBabeName.com then that show they KNEW it was stolen. So now you have something against them and not the other way around. Again it now forcing them to provide the evidence instead of you doing it.


And even if they took it down, you then send the host 1000+ video links of the video without 2257, and keep doing it until their is nothing left on the tube site. If you are successful 99% of the video will be removed and you just kill them. Of course, this is unlikely to happen, so if the host refuse to comply notify the proper authority (just to make it a headache for the host, whether federal official decide to purse or not) and then sue them and various issue that does not need to make sense, just as long as they know it is going to be much more expensive to host these tube and it better for them to shut it down.

Assuming the host is shutting down the tube, you might suggest they are just going to jump to another host. Wrong. You throw the same lawsuit at the other host and they will be down again. Even if they are down for 3 days and million of lost traffic is extremely expensive for them. They may even attempt to move it offshore, but then this will also be a problem. First, most offshore host are more expensive then US host and the speed is now where near the quality of US host. Even if they move to countries like UK, I'm more than sure countries like UK have similar laws as 2257 that you can use against the host. Furthermore some countries like Sweden (I think it Swede) that is more strict to host image of girls, even if they are over 35 but look under 18, it must be removed although that country may have a huge host of pirate. So the only choice they have left is hosting in countries like Panama or some distance offshore host. This will be extremely expensive and will choke their profits. No where can you find a 100MBS for 500 bucks and under in Panama or the like. Furthermore, hosting in such countries traffic network tends to be slow and will choke them even further. Such hosting normally will go down and when the speed is an issue, user will leaven them. They'll learn soon, it just too expensive to host illegal tube.


It is widely known some attorney for large company attempt to take down tube with DMCA, they are successful at removing their own contents, but that left the other contents behind. Company like Digital Playground have been very successful at removing their contents from tube but the fact is they wont' solve the problem for themselves or anyone else. Removing your contents only will give the impression to many webmaster that as long as I remove their contents per their request I'm fine. The biggest threat from tube is not that they hosted your contents, the biggest threat is as long as you allow them to survive it will result of proliferation of more illegal tubes. When webmaster see that they can't make any profits and that illegal tube is rearely taken down they'll jump on the bandwagon to adapt or die. It will only give them the impression that it is fine to host other people contents without getting into much trouble. Soon the ratio of illegal tube to legal freesites will be so big it could wipe out paysite profits as you can no longer rely on your affiliate to bring you sales.

If you only remove your contents you are actually killing your business without knowing it. There are so many legal mgp/tgp that we know of have already switch to illegal tube and as long as you tell them it fine to post other people stuff but take yours down you aren't going to help yourself or anyone else. You soon will be the cause of your own self destruction.

Don't sue them to take your content down. Don't sue them to settle a lawsuit and make a temporary profit gain. Sue the motherfucker to shut them down completely if you really want to save your business. Show everyone here why they should think twice before starting or changing their freesite to illegal tube will save you more than what you may think.

Nathan

LOL True that..

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Tempest

Holy fuck.. Now talk about sticking both feet in your mouth... You don't know "who" Manwin is??? Do you even do anything in this industry????

Tempest

Interesting statement but not even close to being true. The biggest "threat" is that they give the surfers exactly what they want and that they will (back then, true now) become the biggest traffic sources around. There's absolutely no way to change that now. Tubes don't actually need to be using stolen content anymore. Programs provide them with more than what they need and the big ones make so much money selling advertising space that they can license their own content and even produce it if they want... There's been a fundamental shift in this industry over the last 3-4 years and there's nothing that will ever change it now...

PXN

They can steal all the traffic for all I care. Most of us already have enough traffic to be profitable. The key point is if you can't find say, BabeABC, full length contents and the user really like it they will join to get the full length video. I don't care if they produce their own contents and give it away for free, because the exclusiveness of some video will still be out their for those who want it. Beside who to think tube site are willing to create and give a way their contents. Last time I check Braz stuff not on PH and the like. If your theory is true, Brazzer should be posting their shit on their own tube for free.

Tempest

Yes, but the portion of the market that really want BabeA is much smaller than the general marketplace... And those that have BabeA to market will have to go to tubes to get exposure for her.. But she'll just be lost among all the other videos out there.

Besides, how long has it been since there's been a BabeA? Even that type of site/special girl is disappearing from the market.

Yes, there will always be a market for BabeA, fetishes etc., but those are much smaller. It used to be that BabeA type sites could be huge. But then that market got flooded with solo girls and now there's so many that it's no longer what it used to be either. But it will happen again. As sites close a vacuum will be created and the time will come again when there can be some big solo girls.

The porn biz is consolidating and shrinking. All markets go thru this. The game industry used to be filled with little companies until the big ones like EA came in, bought them up and killed them off. Now it's predominately filled with the big companies and it's extremely hard for a little company to get into that market. Not just because it's so expensive to produce a game, but mostly because the distribution chain is dominated by the big boys. In the porn biz, the distribution chain is becoming the tubes.

Everything has changed with the proliferation of tube sites and social media sites. More importantly, it changed when the people with the traffic realized they could sell that traffic instead of trying to sell to their surfers. Once that happened, the entire business predominately became about traffic. About giving more and more away for free to get more traffic which you could then sell. And all the sponsors stepped up to the plate to provide that content so that they would get branding and sales from that traffic because they had no control over it. Now sponsors eg brazzers have control of their own traffic and more and more are doing that because that's how they'll control their own destiny. Tubes are not what started all this. The selling of gallery spots, banner spots, free hosted galleries. That's where this all began. Tubes are just the natural progression from that and what the internet has become.

Who's to say brazzers isn't posting "their" stuff on the sites for free? They're clearly not going to post the more expensive content, they'll post short clips of those. I haven't looked at the sites but I wouldn't be surprised to see old 3 year old full videos there though. And since they need full length "filler", they can get that shot really cheap all over the world. That would be the natural progression once they can no longer license any more full length DVDs. But since ppl are hurting for revenue and are willing to license their entire libraries cheap, that will be some time from now.

PXN

@Tempest you still clearly missing the point. I assume you don't have any big freesites.

I don't care, or shall I say, most people don't care if they post stuff from DVDs or contents that is years ago on tube. Those shit don't convert anyway, everyone knows that nor do they promote such stuff.

What the problem is stuff that is new or niched or exclusive that just recently went live and a day, week or month later end up on tube. If those stuff are free, no one would join.

They can bomb their tube with crappy videos for all I care, but when they upload contents that was develop exclusively for a particular site and cost thousands of dollars to produce I have a problem with that.

peterdrew1978

I lol'd at dmca notices. It takes a while to read 1000 dmca. You actually did a stupid thing in obstructing your own content removal process. Now the owner of tube sites or whatever will take forever reading through your dmca and will result in slower time in getting your content removed. Good job steve.

peterdrew1978

This is another fail attempt BY STEVE LIGHTSHIT

Do you think court gives a shit about porn producres ? Do you really think you can win this battle against pirates ?

Did you stop and think that a lawyer's job is to tell you "we got a chance, just pay me, and we can proceed". They love making money from suckers who chase after pirates.

Did you know that people who were sued for piracy by idiot companies are now suing the company back and get this....actually winning lawsuits ?

Did you stop and think about that potential backfire ?

Did you stop and think that mainstream media and people in general would probably hate adult industry more than ever for suing people ? Did you know that many people believe adult industry is shady is drug industry and that all porn stars are whores ?

Did you stop and think that maybe its not piracy that affects my bottom line steve, maybe its the fact that i have been making the same lame shit over and over that nobody wants to pay for and rather download for free ?

Did you ever stop and think, how much conversions would improve if you had tawt stone and jordan capri do gangbang scenes with 20 black dicks ?

Did you stop and read all the cases in which porn producers have failed going after piraters ? Did you think maybe you will lose money and regret it ?

Steve you fail.

Tempest

I understand exactly what you're saying... My point is that at the end of the day it's not going to matter. The tube sites will have all the traffic.. They're filled with the same type of content 90% of the paysites produce that's exclusive. So 90% surfers can get their cravings filled without having to pay. The "crappy" videos you speak of won't last forever either. Eventually some of the companies with much better content are going to go under or get so strapped for cash that they'll license to the tubes as well. That's simply not going to change now no matter how much we wish it might. The only way to survive at this point is to do exactly what a lot of the big companies are doing. Dumping money into building their own tube sites so they have control over their own traffic that they can use to not only promote their own sites, but also to sell advertising space on. There's a blood bath coming and it's going to be relatively soon. We're just on the edge of it now.

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Nathan

PXN,

So now we are not evil because we supposedly have an illegal tube, but because we release long good content we produced ourself or licensed?

BTW, we release one brazzers clip every day, on many tubes not only ours... And it's directly profitable...

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And you are who?

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TheDoc

Damn Steve, you have some serious haters... I'm not sure I've ever seen so many people hate on a person that hasn't done anything to these people or probably said crap to them before.

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Yes you have. And it's amazing that you hit it on what is supposed to be an industry forum. Just reading some of these replies you would think we were on pornbb or a torrent forum.

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PXN

Come on, do you think a lot of people here are dumbass? You release 2-5 minutes clips of your new shit on tube. Thanks for showing us fucking trial videos. Show me just 10 clip that was released at least 20 minutes long full length videos of videos you just produced last week? Let not try to play dumb and think I don't know the difference.

I know of someone who have 1000s of your paysite videos. If I have him upload your very recent videos on your and other tube site will you promise me you won't take it down? Don't play stupid with me.

You can shit your tube with all your full length fucking videos. I don't care because I don't promote them. But when you give away other people stuff that I promote I have a problem with that.

PXN

Oh really? Care to explain:

http://www.pornhub.com/information#btn-2257

What the fuck is your 2257 doing there if you said it not require?

The very reason you kept denning uploaded videos to require 2257 proofs on all your post is very obvious. Because if they go after you regarding 2257 USC you're fucked.

Hopefully some program will be smart enough to be creative enough to understand that fighting tube indirectly is the best way to go.

Nathan

Uhm.. are you blind? It says on the first line "PORNHUB.COM IS NOT A PRODUCER" .. just because we are no producer does not mean we need no 2257 page.

But ALTHOUGH we are not a producer, we STILL at least do SOMETHING to assure we are not getting under 18 year olds... thats all it says?

This would NEVER fly on a normal site where you are a producer, since this there does not say we are collecting 2257 docs...

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PXN

Are you fucking blind? I will make the highlight area larger and bolder:

tell me about your verification method. How you know they have a record. When someone stole a content and post it on your tube, they don't have a record, so tell me how you verify?

Let not play dumb anymore shall we.

Nathan

Seriously, lol.. it scares me that you are in adult entertainment and do not GET it...

I pasted you the exact location in the US Code.
Multiple people here have told you you are incorrect
Our 2257 page says _WE ARE NO PRODUCER_ (in case you do not get this, it means that we are not required to keep 2257 documentation)
And you keep posting a paragraph on our 2257 page where we say that we still ask each uploader to assure and certify that he and the models are of age. That has NOTHING to do with 2257, it's just us not wanting CP on our site and we remove content that looks too young for us.

NONE OF THIS changes the fact that we do not have to keep 2257 info. And it also does not mean we think we have to do something, we do it because we want to.

And you also seem to be too stupid to understand that we do not WANT people to upload stolen content.. it just HAPPENS simply because we let anyone upload.. We have studios uploading, they still do just that, they upload via an account and CERTIFY that its their content and CERTIFY that everyone is 18. They do not send us 2257 docs, we do not select the content, none of that... We have a bunch of amateurs uploading content too, it just usually does not make the frontpage since its not as popular.

Fucking finally grasp the concept of DMCA...

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how much time do they need after notice to take it down ?

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let's just say they won't want to be last of 1000.

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PXN

IT SCARE THE SHIT OUT OF YOU I'M IN THE ADULT BUSINESS, because you know that I know that I have a better chance to take you down because I don't focus on DMCA. And you should be scare because if you want I will start choking your site slowly. Just say it and dare me and I'll do it. Just say the magic word and you'll regret it for the rest of your life. I dare you say it?


You mean Robbie? I'm sure he's a nice smart dude, but I will just respectfully disagree with him on this.


Don't take my words, go on XBIZ and search for an article regarding tube and 2257. The 2257 was recently modifed last year I think. I think in that article XBIZ ask the attorney general. He said tube should have 2257.


I'm not saying you ask for IDs. I'm saying you said you verify:

So tell me again, how pornhub verify?

Ya right. If you remove all stolen contents from your site, it will be a piece of shit. For that very reason you didn't response to my comments above regarding your own videos. Because you knew very well if you give all your costly produced full length videos for free you'll loose money. Let not play dumb again shall we.


You allow these studio to upload and they only upload 2-5 minute clips. Like PornPros you mean? Show me where PronPros Upload 10, just 10 I'm not asking for 100, but just 10 video of their full length videos. Of course we both know they don't want to do that. Again, stop being a dumbass with comments like that.


You and I know you don't need to worry about DMCA, you need to look at 2257.


By the way someone once ask in this thread who the fuck are you? I'm wondering too. Just some affiliate manager?

2intense

lol what an idiot. I just downloaded lightspeed site rip if it makes you feel better.

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