The new season of CBS's sitcom "Two and a Half Men" got the biggest ratings on television since 2005

[LA Crew]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=8rUNq_kqrxk

[Paul&John]

There was/is too much hype around Charlie so therefore, will see in a few episodes

[Ethersync]

Of course it opened big. The question is will people stick around. Either way Charlie will pocket $100 mil+ without doing a damn thing.

[L-Pink]

It is funny that Charlie is now in a Dust-Buster.

[grumpy]

No Charlie, no 2 1/2 man

[candyflip]

And the worst reviews the shows ever had.

[The Porn Nerd]

Yeah train wrecks and car crashes get a lot of views, too. So what? Moving on....

[Spunky]

Just more people realizing what a crap show it will soon be and not tune in again

[BFT3K]

Predictions for the long-term future of the show...

[justinsain]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Yeah train wrecks and car crashes get a lot of views, too. So what? Moving on....

Doesn't the show's views determine how much they can charge for commercials during that time slot or do they go by critics reviews?

[nico-t]

did he say "since everybody loves raymond"? Jesus, unbelievable that that horrible mediocre show had that much viewers... it really fucking sucked

[HardlinkSells]

Originally Posted by justinsain

Doesn't the show's views determine how much they can charge for commercials during that time slot or do they go by critics reviews?

Goes my show views

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by justinsain

Doesn't the show's views determine how much they can charge for commercials during that time slot or do they go by critics reviews?

The way it works is they project ad rates 3 months out and base those rates on Neilson ratings/viewership, so yes CBS can charge a LOT for ad space on that show. until about the next 'sweeps' period (where the whole cycle starts over again) in about November. Sept-Nov-Feb-May are the sweeps/ad rates periods, which is why shows try to boost their ratings during that time, to boost their ad rates. pretty bogus, actually, as a show might 'boost' its ratings during those sweeps periods by having a celebrity co-star for an episode or something, then they charge advertisers based on that single episode spike for the next 3 months. LOL

The next "real" (economic) test of the show will be November, the next sweeps/ad rate period. the show has until then (about 8 episodes) to make it or break it.

[SuzzyQ]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

It is funny that Charlie is now in a Dust-Buster.

Or is he?. Since Rose was involved is his alleged death, Did he really get killed?. No one saw the inside of the casket. His whole death could be a separate plot all in its self. Only Charlie Sheen and the writers know for sure.

[astronaut x]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Predictions for the long-term future of the show...

[justinsain]

Originally Posted by SuzzyQ

Or is he?. Since Rose was involved is his alleged death, Did he really get killed?. No one saw the inside of the casket. His whole death could be a separate plot all in its self. Only Charlie Sheen and the writers know for sure.

It was said that Charlie fell off a platform in front of a train. His body was so damaged it wasn't advisable to have an open casket. Everyone in the room was in agreement.

Now you're saying his very public death might have been faked even though details would've been easily accessible to any family member to confirm. On top of that how exactly would one fake a cremation? Any person at the funeral could've easily confirmed his death so for it to have been faked everyone would've had to been in on it unless they let Rose take care of everything

The only way to bring Charlie back is calling it a dream and that's been done to death

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by justinsain

It was said that Charlie fell off a platform in front of a train. His body was so damaged it wasn't advisable to have an open casket. Everyone in the room was in agreement.

Now you're saying his very public death might have been faked even though details would've been easily accessible to any family member to confirm. On top of that how exactly would one fake a cremation? Any person at the funeral could've easily confirmed his death so for it to have been faked everyone would've had to been in on it unless they let Rose take care of everything

The only way to bring Charlie back is calling it a dream and that's been done to death

Wow, nice lack of imagination there. Watch any CSI show to see how people can "fake" anything. LOL

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Spunky

Just more people realizing what a crap show it will soon be and not tune in again

The show has been crap for 8 years now so what is new about that?

[JP-pornshooter]

i agree
no charlie
no show
that why he was paid nearly 2mil or apprx 4 times more than his brother on the show.

[justinsain]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Wow, nice lack of imagination there. Watch any CSI show to see how people can "fake" anything. LOL

People fake their death by pretending to fall out of a boat in the middle of the ocean where there is no evidence but them leaving on their own and then rescuers finding an empty boat while they disappear in another boat.

A body falls from a public platform in front of a train. Imagine all the people that would be involved in the investigation and would have to be either wrong as to the identity of the body or in on the deception to pass this off as a fake death.

If they said something like Charlie went for a midnight swim and presumably drowned, the door would've been left open. The Producer hates Charlie and no better way to end their relationship than to have him ceremoniously cremated with no chance to return.

Go ahead and use your imagination and tell me how someone could fake their death by jumping in front of a public train.

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by justinsain

People fake their death by pretending to fall out of a boat in the middle of the ocean where there is no evidence but them leaving on their own and then rescuers finding an empty boat while they disappear in another boat.

A body falls from a public platform in front of a train. Imagine all the people that would be involved in the investigation and would have to be either wrong as to the identity of the body or in on the deception to pass this off as a fake death.

If they said something like Charlie went for a midnight swim and presumably drowned, the door would've been left open. The Producer hates Charlie and no better way to end their relationship than to have him ceremoniously cremated with no chance to return.

Go ahead and use your imagination and tell me how someone could fake their death by jumping in front of a public train.

Okay first, calm down it's only a tv sitcom. LOL Second, here's how (off the top of my little green head):

Rose and Charlie find out that Charlie's mom has been secretly re-mortgaging his property behind his back multiple times. He thought the house was free-and-clear (after all that kiddie tune money) but finds out he's got 3 mortgages. So if he's dead he leaves it to Alan, who seeks Mom's help, who.....

So Rose and Charlie find a homeless guy, already dead, on the street. Ever see Weekend at Bernies? They throw the bum in front of the train. After all, like Rose said, "It disintegrated like a balloon full of meat". Hehehe.....no evidence. DNA? Sure - but Charlie's DNA is so fucked by all his partying that a match was impossible...

Rose comes back to "observe" the family and judge their reactions to Charlie's "death", because Charlie isn't really sure, was Alan in on the mortgage plot? Maybe Berta, maybe the kid, maybe everyone....

Rose gets to continue to 'stalk" Charlie, thru his family, the family fights it out over Charlie's supposed millions, only the real culprit knows the truth, that he's broke....

Oh on and on man. It's TELEVISION. :D

[SuzzyQ]

Originally Posted by justinsain

It was said that Charlie fell off a platform in front of a train. His body was so damaged it wasn't advisable to have an open casket. Everyone in the room was in agreement.

Because 'Rose' said the body was a pile of hamburger. Was it really?. Nowhere was it said that the family actually saw the body. Rose is a psycho. If you have watched the show from the beginning, you would know that 'Rose' has pulled some pretty wild shit. This could be another one. No one knows for sure.

Originally Posted by justinsain

Now you're saying his very public death might have been faked even though details would've been easily accessible to any family member to confirm. On top of that how exactly would one fake a cremation? Any person at the funeral could've easily confirmed his death so for it to have been faked everyone would've had to been in on it unless they let Rose take care of everything

The only way to bring Charlie back is calling it a dream and that's been done to death

Your reading into the whole thing too deep. Its a sitcom. Its Hollywood. Its not reality.

Since your reading into it as if it was reality then, Rose was the only 'family' member to actually 'see' him get killed. Alan or his mother didn't actually see it happen, nor were they in Europe to see the remains. It was assumed they saw the remains?. No one at the funeral saw the remains so they could spit on him one last time. You are assuming that the 'remains' were his. Who knows?. Rose is a wack job with a ton of money. She could have had anything cremated and then called it Charlies remains. She has done some pretty off the wall shit throughout the show's history.

There is a few lose ends that were not tied up.

For all we know, This whole Charlie Sheen, CBS and the producers could be the greatest publicity stunt ever pulled off. No one knows whats really going on behind the scenes.

Its Hollywood man, EVERYTHING is possible.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by candyflip

And the worst reviews the shows ever had.

Yeah, pretty much. Everyone tuned in to watch and see how Charlie died. Then discover his replacement was a bore.

[justinsain]

My point is the producers wrote the show with little to no leeway to allow Charlie a way to return in a logical way. If the situation had been that Charlie decided to leave the show to star in movies again, the producers would've laid the groundwork for a possible return. Something more on the line of Charlie went missing or had died under mysterious circumstances. That was not the case.

What happened was.....

Charlie was fired from the show.

Charlie publicly insulted his boss.

Charlie told the world the show was nothing without him.

Charlie said they would hire him back.

The producer put a message at the end of each show basically saying how much Charlie sucked.

The producer would not and still won't take Charlie's calls.

It is my guess that the producer has taken the position that Charlie will never be a part of Two and half men as long as he is in charge.

I think the funeral scene was symbolic for the way the producer felt. What better way to show Charlie just how much he cares than to have him run over by a train, everyone wanting to spit on his corpse and then have him cremated with no chance to return.

That episode was way more about burning personal bridges than plotting a clever return for Charlie. It was the ultimate GFY

That's my prediction, archived here for later reference when the whole thing is said and done.

[nickutis]

I just saw the show and to me it was pretty good! Especially after reading all these bad comments in the other thread, I actually was surprised and enjoyed those 20 mins of the show.

It was good with show Charlie, it will be good without him

[DBS.US]

It's Hollywood,,,,You guys do know this was all planned out a year ago

[BIGTYMER]

It'll be cancelled after next season.

[GARY LEE]

The show made it very clear that Ashton Kutcher has a big dick but is he big enough to fill Charlie Sheens shoes? I doubt it.

[MasterBlow]

I do miss Charlie,though. It WAS a great show.

[PornMD]

Who gives a shit about the first episode ratings? The thing to watch is how much it drops off over the next few episodes. Some shows have debuted to great numbers only to sputter really quickly because they sucked ass, and thus far most people are saying it sucks now.

[CaptainHowdy]

Ok .........

[John-ACWM]

Indeed let's wait and see in a few episodes.

[seeandsee]

big cock billionare, what a story line in front of me, i will not watch that shit...

[CDSmith]

No surprise whatsoever. Episode 1 (and 2 most likely, as they're a 2 part set) was a given for ratings.

The real test will be episodes airing from mid-season on, and also how many tune in to NEXT season (if there is one).

[Shey]

I think I'm the perfect example as to why such a huge audience. I never really watched the show before save an episode or two when it just happened to be on TV. I made a point to watch this one out of curiosity and maybe the next one too just to confirm that YUP, it is pure crap.

[JP-pornshooter]

Originally Posted by DBS.US

It's Hollywood,,,,You guys do know this was all planned out a year ago

not so sure in this case..
pretty sure they had already written a dozen or so episodes w charlie which they had to dump once it became clear he was not returning.

and final proof would be the terrible scenario they came up with..
if that was NOT done last minute, then the writers should just be asshamed of themselves.

[Scott McD]

People are always curious at first. That's all...

[BettingHandle]

'Two and a Half Men' crew miss Charlie Sheen! At HollywoodLife.com: "Ashton is nice and he tries to do things to get us to like him more and more, but he kind of feels like a step dad.

"He might be the best thing for the family, but everyone misses their 'original dad,' Charlie.