Finally a Tube site that isn't really a Tube site. (Thoughts?) - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

Paul Markham · 09-22-2010, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

That makes sense Paul.
on CyberAge, we make actual trailers out of them.
http://models.cyberage.com/archive_models/

I just thought on these, I would show the surfers a clip from the start instead of making trailers.
the 1:9000 is just with feeder traffic, I'll be working on better traffic once we get more content up.

Thanks for the feedback.

Those clips are far more enticing than what I saw on the Tubes.

Still think the girls talking about their exploits during the days shoot would be better, get one of your shooters to try a few and see how they turn out. Remember no dumb porno speak. LOL

Roald · 09-22-2010, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Your content might be great, I'm not commenting on what's inside your site. I was talking about the clips you have that will decide if the tour works or not. The design and layout are secondary. It's clips that make conversions. And IMO the clips I saw were not giving me any incentive to pull out my card. If you're converting 1-9,000 I'm in the majority because 8,999 other people are looking at the tour and leaving.

It does not have to be fucking, but it has to give the impression the girl delivered something more than the same old tired fake porn persona the tour showed me.

I use to shoot a very similar thing to these clips back in the 80s and 90s and put them together as a sample tape. After the girls had finished her days work I would film her talking about what she had done, the fun she had and the orgasms. The scripting was minimal and this made the girl talk as herself and it showed she had had a good time.

If it's solo she can show some of the toys she used, girl/girl can be a few girls in the clip and boy girl the boy is laying behind her. With a shagged rotten look on his face or a big contented grin. You need to sell the sizzle of the scenes inside the site.

Get imaginative and deliver clips that will convert more than 1 in 9,000. Because with 100,000 hits a day you will only convert 11 a day. And keeping 100,000 coming every day is tough.

1 in 9000 on worthless feeder traffic yes. So not comparible with "real" traffic I would say.

dyna mo · 09-22-2010, 10:47 AM

as i understood it surfing the site, the 1 minute clip is a teaser of a ~20 minute clip. i didn't feel like a bait & switch was going on. imo.

Robocrop · 09-22-2010, 11:03 AM

Will76, turn yourself down a notch maybe? critizing a guy who can buy you IRL aint clever.

Roald · 09-22-2010, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Robocrop

Will76, turn yourself down a notch maybe? critizing a guy who can buy you IRL aint clever.

Sorry but thats the biggest bs i've read in a while here

Why isn't it clever exactly to not agree with someone who made a shit load of money? Does making a shitload of money mean you know what you are doing in every aspect of this biz?

Thats right, it doesn't.

Nothing wrong with critizing someones work as long as its a healty conversation

will76 · 09-22-2010, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Robocrop

Will76, turn yourself down a notch maybe? critizing a guy who can buy you IRL aint clever.

he asked for advice, i gave it. Some people appreciate that, others I guess not. Doesn't mean he has to use it, doesn't mean it will be right or wrong... time will tell.

Really shows ignorance on your part to make a comment like that considering Dave made the majority of his money from AVS sites, more so in years past and he is asking for "thoughts" on getting into a tube site, something that is very new to him that he has no experience with. Not too mention most of what I have said has been echoed by other people, all be it some a little more articulately than me.

Where did I post my buy it now price?

And why isn't that clever exactly? it makes me look bad to people like you, and that makes a difference to my income or feelings how?

btw, nice contribution to the discussion.

Semi-Retired-Dave · 09-22-2010, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

he asked for advice, i gave it. Some people appreciate that, others I guess not. Doesn't mean he has to use it, doesn't mean it will be right or wrong... time will tell.

Really shows ignorance on your part to make a comment like that considering Dave made the majority of his money from AVS sites, more so in years past and he is asking for "thoughts" on getting into a tube site, something that is very new to him that he has no experience with. Not too mention most of what I have said has been echoed by other people, all be it some a little more articulately than me.

Where did I post my buy it now price?

And why isn't that clever exactly? it makes me look bad to people like you, and that makes a difference to my income or feelings how?

btw, nice contribution to the discussion.

I asked for advice and I appreciate what everyone shares around here. How much money people have has nothing to do with anything. I look at this place as one big happy family (Sometimes) believe it or not. We all help each other in some sort of way.

justinsain · 09-22-2010, 05:15 PM

I checked it out and thought it was nice. Looks great, loads fast and was very easy to navigate as well as understand what I was looking at in terms of the sites purpose.

Although I already knew that some here were confused by the promise of longer videos I didn't see it that way and understood that these clips were only previews. The actual running time is to let the surfer know what he will find in the members area. Not confusing to me at all.

The clips were just long enough to show the quality and the thumbs below prove that the promised scene actual happens but are not clickable to a full size pic which would have been too much. I think that's a great way to show what's available without giving it away.

If EVERYONE did it this way I think the industry would be in a much different position. Whether this " retro " approach works out from a business standpoint remains to be seen and it's going to be a huge uphill battle against all those sites that give away waaaaay to much but it's the way it should be.

Lots of people want to see things change and perhaps this approach along with recent pressure on piracy will eventually have a positive effect. Because you took an honest approach with sights on a long term investment and didn't sellout for a quick buck I'm going to give you

on your effort.

Lushbucks · 09-22-2010, 05:27 PM

We run a tube paysite in the girlfriend niche. Zuzana and Konrad did a great job. http://www.gfdump.com

Semi-Retired-Dave · 09-22-2010, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by justinsain

I checked it out and thought it was nice. Looks great, loads fast and was very easy to navigate as well as understand what I was looking at in terms of the sites purpose.

Although I already knew that some here were confused by the promise of longer videos I didn't see it that way and understood that these clips were only previews. The actual running time is to let the surfer know what he will find in the members area. Not confusing to me at all.

The clips were just long enough to show the quality and the thumbs below prove that the promised scene actual happens but are not clickable to a full size pic which would have been too much. I think that's a great way to show what's available without giving it away.

If EVERYONE did it this way I think the industry would be in a much different position. Whether this " retro " approach works out from a business standpoint remains to be seen and it's going to be a huge uphill battle against all those sites that give away waaaaay to much but it's the way it should be.

Lots of people want to see things change and perhaps this approach along with recent pressure on piracy will eventually have a positive effect. Because you took an honest approach with sights on a long term investment and didn't sellout for a quick buck I'm going to give you

on your effort.

Thank you,
A very nice review.

Ethersync · 09-23-2010, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

We didn't build a cams site to be the next Video Secrets, we built it because we have in-house programmers, in-house graphic guys, in-house billing, in-house hosting facilities and lots of employees in our beautiful offices. We have the infrastructure to build anything so why not.

You are reinterpreting history here to fit with your undesired outcome. Similar to someone getting their ass handed to them in a basketball game and then going, "I wasn't really trying." 2 years ago when you announced your cam site and your partnership with Sex.com you were singing a different tune. I get that you want to save face, but you are not helping yourself out here by clinging to these delusions.

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Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

If our cams site brings in an extra 50K net a month...

Your cam site does not bring in that much. Not even close. I really doubt you are netting more than 3 figures a day. You know this and so does Cams.com who sees all your sales since you use all their models.

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Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

...The same AVS's that programmers said we were too late to start. It was 1996, programmers told us what are you guys thinking, save your money, there are like 50 AVS programs out there.

Well, we were paying 250K a month to Lycos for over 2 years and buying all their adult key words and sending it all to our Links pages and making our webmasters hundreds of thousands of dollars, just that should tell you it was a pretty lucrative business for starting late. Good thing we didn't listen to those negative words.

So how much do you spend a day on advertising on your cam site? Yeah, thought so...

Comparing starting your AVS in 1996 to a failed cam site you started 12 years later is nuts.

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Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

I can go on and on here, but all I'm saying here is get that "it's too late" out of your head. Because if you are working on your own projects and living by those words, you will never get ahead of yourself.

You got in early and made a ton on your AVS stuff and then sat on it. Now you are trying to play catch up with an industry that left you behind 5-7 years ago.

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Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

Positive things happen to positive thinkers, I live by these words and have been blessed by them.

I agree with that statement, but there is a fine line between being positive and being delusional.

09-22-2010, 05:15 PM	#108
justinsain Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,374	I checked it out and thought it was nice. Looks great, loads fast and was very easy to navigate as well as understand what I was looking at in terms of the sites purpose. Although I already knew that some here were confused by the promise of longer videos I didn't see it that way and understood that these clips were only previews. The actual running time is to let the surfer know what he will find in the members area. Not confusing to me at all. The clips were just long enough to show the quality and the thumbs below prove that the promised scene actual happens but are not clickable to a full size pic which would have been too much. I think that's a great way to show what's available without giving it away. If EVERYONE did it this way I think the industry would be in a much different position. Whether this " retro " approach works out from a business standpoint remains to be seen and it's going to be a huge uphill battle against all those sites that give away waaaaay to much but it's the way it should be. Lots of people want to see things change and perhaps this approach along with recent pressure on piracy will eventually have a positive effect. Because you took an honest approach with sights on a long term investment and didn't sellout for a quick buck I'm going to give you on your effort. Last edited by justinsain; 09-22-2010 at 05:16 PM..

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,914	as i understood it surfing the site, the 1 minute clip is a teaser of a ~20 minute clip. i didn't feel like a bait & switch was going on. imo.

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Robocrop Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Hollywood Posts: 2,785	Will76, turn yourself down a notch maybe? critizing a guy who can buy you IRL aint clever.

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Lushbucks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 313	We run a tube paysite in the girlfriend niche. Zuzana and Konrad did a great job. http://www.gfdump.com