BFT3K

The poll found that about four in 10 adults think the new law did not go far enough to change the health care system, regardless of whether they support the law, oppose it or remain neutral. On the other side, about one in five say they oppose the law because they think the federal government should not be involved in health care at all.

Story here...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...ctionContent.9

TheDoc

Well... many of us here knew it was wanted, to an extreme. Just before Obama was elected, the polls for healthcare reform, addition, gov/social, all of them was off the chart in favor. It was only after the smear campaign started that the approval dropped, but once people started to learn/realize that getting your foot in the door is better than the door being locked on you.. it started to change back.

America WANTS this and a minority of people are attempting to botch it up. If the Republicans truly try to fight this, it will be the single thing that bites them in the ass.

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The Demon

Actually, the Republicans ARE fighting it AND it's helping them. The irony of this is everytime a poll comes out that goes against your beliefs and illusions, you attribute it to just being a poll or "fear mongering". Guess what, at the end of the day it's still an unrepresentative poll. I can find you many where the majority of Americans don't want Obamacare, and others where Americans want the government to stay out. At the end of the day, you'll still lie to yourself

Also, LOL@smear campaign. The lengths stupid liberals will go to, to convince themselves of something is priceless.

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Tom_PM

Also, if the Bush tax cuts for the rich created jobs, we'd all have jobs out the wazoo right now.

Maybe the first 10 years was just a slump.

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spazlabz

spoken like a healthy man with health insurance coverage

The Demon

That's not how it works. Theoretically, tax cuts for the rich are supposed to increase capital investments, which could increase jobs. However, those capital investments went into an increase in outsourcing overseas, so it's not that the tax cuts weren't effective, it's that companies are looking more and more overseas.

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TheDoc

Helping them with what? Mid term elections? Everyone position that has flipped so far would have flipped without healthcare - pretending like healthcare has helped you, please.....

And without question the right started a smear campaign, you can call it fear mongering if you like, others call it a smear campaign. It's not like smear campaigns are a new strategy for the Republicans, so you can stop pretending like it hasn't happened.

Yep, we can find polls in all directions (it's not hard to slant a poll) but what you can't ignore even in those polls is they're close. So even if we took your theory as true, still half the damn Country wants it.

But the reality is, the majority want it... that is without question and if the Republicans 'attempt' to take it away, it will be the largest backfire they've ever had.

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dyna mo

the u.s. government couldn't legislate itself out of a paper bag, why would anyone think they could write viable healthcare legislation.

The Demon

So you're saying the exact opposite would be "spoken like an unhealthy man without health insurance"? In essence, you're saying there's no objectivity when discussing this? I'm trying to figure it out because my post had nothing to do with coverage whatsoever.

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TheDoc

Orrrr.... We could state the truth and say personal tax cuts don't create corporate growth.

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The Demon

We'll count the number of times you make random shit up. This is 1.

Oh right, it's the Republicans that create smear campaigns. The Democrats are totally not guilty of this. ROFL
And it wasn't the smear campaign that was the failure of Obamacare, it was the stupidity of the democrats trying to shove this down our throat. Morons like Pelosi are ruining the Democrats' chances this November.

Do you even bother to look at how many people were polled in these polls? I didn't think so.

So we go from "still half the damn country wants it" to "the majority want it? I'll give you a hint. Aside from the obvious contradiction, one of those isn't even remotely true. The majority DON'T want it the Republicans have used the failures of Obamacare to gain steam for the upcoming midterms. Keep rationalizing

Or we could ignore your nonsense about corporate growth and personal tax cuts because we're talking about tax cuts for the wealthy, and capital investments which have little to do with "corporate growth". After we ignore your nonsense, we can say that tax cuts for the wealthy HAVE in the past increased capital investments, but they A is not a guarantee for B.

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spazlabz

Yes, that is pretty much what I am saying. Objectivity does not come into play on this topic.... and least not for the majority of people who have a strong opinion. I have very personal reasons for wanting health care. Now that is just me, but from what I have seen it seems as though everyone on either side of this issue has personal reasons for their POV.

The Demon

I think objectivity works here just like in most cases. The problem is 9 out of 10 people on this forum are too stupid to be objective. I want healthcare reform just like most people. The issue isn't healthcare reform, but the specificity regarding what kind of reform we want.

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TheDoc

I'm sorry I can't count the number of times you claim people make things up but provide zero proof. Anyway, your so brilliant, which spot flipped because of healthcare? Hahahaha... good luck!


I never said they didn't... we're talking about the healthcare campaign, no others.


Oh yeah, it was for sure an extreme smear campaign, filled with an extreme out of lies and false accusations that continues today. Like today, Republicans trying to say Obamacare will cost you more money than current healthcare. That is such a clear lie, it's just pathetic.


Yeah, that was actually the first thing I looked at (it's near the bottom fyi) What's great about them is when you share them, the are the only proof needed to end an argument, when others share them - they're wrong.


75%+ want it... that a better number for you? When I say majority, I really think it's 80-90%. I think if Bush put this out, you would see a lot less fighting over it. That a better way to word it? That your side and many that don't like Obamacare are simply hypocrites... you would take it, but not from Obama.

If you think the healthcare will win you midterms.... HAHAHA. Son nothing surprising is going to happen with the midterm, everyone that will flip was already expected to flip. And not a damn one of them is flipping because of Obamacare. Only a complete idiot would think that.

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DateDoc

I am all for a smaller govt but I have no issue with healthcare being nationalized. I bet if you polled more people and asked them, "would you like healthcare provided for by the govt, at no additional cost to you, would you approve that?" more than 4/10 would say yes.

Obamacare, as it is, will not work. There are something like 15 states already suing the govt over it. I do not think repealing it in its entirety is a good thing either. Keeps the good parts (no caps on insurance policy, no denial of insurance for a pre-existing conditions, etc.) until we can figure out how to do nationalized healthcare correctly.

Invite the top experts from each country that has nationalized healthcare to come to a summit and pick their brains - what works, what doesn't and if you could redo national healthcare what would you change?

Lets do it and do it right!

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The Demon

Your stupidity has been shown more in this one phrase than ever before. Isn't it too early in the week for you to be embarrassing yourself? When you make a claim and you don't provide evidence, that's called making shit up. But everyone already knows so you have to rationalize by saying I haven't provided proof for your lack of credibility, which is evident in each post. Good show Doc, I swear people can't make this stuff up.


Really? It's a lie? Prove it. Since you lack the intelligence and ability to be objective, your posts are meaningless. See, the CBO and other non Republican groups estimate the costs being exponentially more expensive with Obamacare. But you don't like hearing the truth so you continue your hilarious rationalization. I guess when Obama says one thing and someone says something else, everyone else must be lying!! ROFL




Don't think this was English but ok.




Ahhh, more hilarious and emotional rationalization when you can't live in reality. Please go ahead and prove these arbitrary numbers. Since you can't, we'll enjoy watching you backpeddle and use misdirection. Or worse, just repeat everything I say back to me.

And the final act of desperation comes with TheDoc's patented "Anyone/Only who thinks ... is an idiot". What a great show, and so early on in the week.

Nationalized health care runs well only in countries who either have a population that's a fraction of ours, or who are running various surpluses. And even then, foreigners come here for things such as operations. Therefore, it's not feasible in this country anytime soon. Even unreasonable tax rates won't be able to cover the costs.

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TheDoc

Umm.... stupid you made the statement: "Actually, the Republicans ARE fighting it AND it's helping them." - My statement was after yours, it would be on you to provide the proof.

But you can keep trying to twist it to your own stupidity all you want, I really don't care.


Well of course it would be more expensive with Obamacare, it's an added service, ie cost, on top of things - duh it would add more. See, that wasn't hard to prove at all.

But that doesn't mean my costs, my yearly costs, are going to be more if I went with Obamacare vs. my own.


Oh it's very easy to understand. When you use polls, you do it to win arguments. When others post polls, you say they aren't worthy. That's about as simple to understand as it gets.



Backpeddle what? I said "I think" - I don't have to prove anything, idiot.



Duh, like I said... Only a complete idiot would think that - looks like I was correct. Not sure where you got the word Anyone from, another failed smear attempt by the right I guess.

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The Demon

You posted before me and your post as always, begs proof. And as always, you provide none so you need misdirection. Please continue making yourself look stupid.




Really? Because 5 minutes ago you said:
Good God Doc, you're so stupid that you contradict yourself within 10 minutes. Please try and backpeddle out of this one. There's a reason your credibility on here is less than even mine. It's sad enough that you're a stupid human being, what's more sad is that you're being overly transparent about it.



Yup, +1 for repeating exactly what I've already said to you. And the desperation continues.




You're right, only you're dumb enough to make unsupported assertions, only to say you don't need to prove them.





And the self ownage continues. I guess you're dumber on Mondays than the rest of the week. Too easy.

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Tom_PM

You guys and your "quote every sentance and reply to it" stuff is impossible.

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Vendzilla

Please, someone explain to me how anyone can stand behind a healthcare law that's 2300 pages long and no one that voted for it read it? A law that had no support from the GOP and only had support from the democrats if they got to put their pork spending on it?

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Vendzilla

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Vendzilla

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

The Demon

TheDoc can because Obama is telling the truth and everyone else is either lying, or are racist!!

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TheDoc

Sorry, my original post didn't make that statement... I did make it after you did though, which is when you asked for proof - you did not ask for proof after my original post only after I commented back to your statement. If you're not able to follow a conversion, I can't help you.



I said Obamacare wouldn't cost more than 'CURRENT' healthcare... and it won't. If you want to say, adding Obamacare will add to the cost - that would be correct. Out side of that, I've never seen a report say Obamacare will cost more than all healthcare - is that you're trying to say?

Are you really going to attempt to confuse that?



Huh? Where did you say this? Whatever, more lies from you.



Yep.. that's what happens people tell you what they think. You sure get confused on how a conversion works.


Sure, as already stated, if The Demon says it, it's true... I'm dumber on Mondays, sweet - I have an excuse - unlike you.

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

The Demon

Sure, as already stated, if The Demon says it, it's true... I'm dumber on Mondays, sweet - I have an excuse - unlike you.[/QUOTE]



P.S. Way to use the quote function champ.

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Vendzilla

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

TheDoc

P.S. Way to use the quote function champ.[/QUOTE]

Working great here, moron... and what a lame expected attack. Got nothing, come back with stupid quote statements and a picture.

Slam dunk, and the Dems (errrr Liberals, ie: real Americans) to the lead and win the game!

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Vendzilla

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

TheDoc

I read it... It wasn't hard to read. It took me a week of reading it very part time. If it was my job to read it, I could have done it in an afternoon.

Hehe, pork... is that the pork that some States get more money in other areas that other states? Not exactly pork, but hey we can name it whatever.

The GoP would never support a healthcare bill/reform, change, etc. They pretend like they would, but the reality is they would never support it either way.

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TheDoc

And Bush taught him how to do it... sucks when your own fire is used against you.

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alessergod

The Demon is soooo funny. No good rebuttal his standard remark is your embarrassing yourself. It would be interesting to see how many times he has said that.

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TheDoc

80% of the Republicans 100% trust Corporations to provide the same service while having zero say in what the Corporation does.

Difference? You can't vote with a Corporation.

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The Demon

Considering I insult the stupid people on this forum who have a tendency to embarrass themselves(such as yourself), I'm guessing a lot. Thanks for stating the obvious

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BFT3K

I think eggplant rollatini is very tasty. Best to skin the eggplant first though...



Is it eggplant rollatini with an "a" or is it eggplant rollitini with an "i" ?



Either way, it is quite a delicious dish!

TheDoc

You haven't actually insulted anyone though... Your half lame twisted up words, I'm right-you're wrong crap, isn't any type of an insult. That's what's funny, you're a joke man. You get trashed by even the Republicans on this forum, it's pathetic & funny all mixed into one.

I'll let you get back to pretending you're in law school, ever studied economics and pretending you do any sales online, period. Such a poser.

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alessergod

There ya go. Thank you for confirming what i said. You don't have a reply so what do you say "embarrass themselves".

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Vendzilla

So you bitch about it when Bush does it and it's ok when the democrats do it? Kinda moronic isn't it?

Personally, I don't think anyone should do it

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

The Demon

Poor guy. He gets his ass kicked so much he has to randomly start making things up, and then make us all laugh by saying "prove me wrong".

The only sad part about your stupidity is that I've proven I make sales online. I'll let you get back to being a failure in your own industry, as well as a laughing stock in it.

I did have a reply. You obviously can't read very well which is why you were predictable in ignoring the entire post and replying with a scripted insult.

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TheDoc

No, I didn't bitch about it all... probably why I'm not bitching about Obama doing it.

Difference is, you're bitching about Obama doing it, but never said anything when Bush did it.

Yes, It is a bit moronic, which is why I haven't said shit about it.

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Vendzilla

So you won't trust Corporations till they are government ran?

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Vendzilla

I was a moderator of this forum during when Bush did it and was not allowed to comment on politics, whats your excuse?

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

TheDoc

Lies.. pure fucking all out lies and bullshit. Robbie "never" confirmed a fucking thing, he never came back in stuck up for you. You stoke fake stats from google images and took a 2 inch screenshot on your desktop. Only fakes do that shit... Anyone else takes a shot of the full browser window.

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The Demon

HAHAHA and I predicted that TheDoc would completely make shit up and claim that the stats are fake. Just like clockwork. This middle aged moron is just too funny and easy to humiliate.

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BFT3K

An eggplant topped pizza is another great meal option...



I think I will buy an eggplant or two this week!

Vendzilla

do you think the people that voted for it read it? And better yet understood it?

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

TheDoc

Excuse? I don't have a problem with it. I know that they have more than one way to do this, so trying to fight it, is useless.

That still doesn't change the fact that the right/republicans "now" have a problem with it, and not back then.

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TheDoc

Yeah... if they didn't read it, they shouldn't be voting on it. And yes, it's really not hard to understand, even for me. The problem, if you would - is trying to keep the entire picture in your head while you read it. But that's like any set of laws/ideas, the main law might be simple but if you group up all the changes, new laws, amendments, regulations, etc and put them into one bill most would be 1000's of pages long and our Gov has no problem understanding these broken apart items, let alone one written together.

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alessergod

What a Dildo. Claim you make all this money, post an unreadable small ass shot that no one can read and everyone disses you for, then come back and try to use it in another argument. I can see why TheDoc says your a poser. Loser is more like it.

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The Demon

Awww what's the matter alesser? Tired of getting your ass kicked too? I love how you use the word "Everyone" to describe 1 person. By that logic, everyone makes fun of you anytime you post, and everyone was able to look at the image and verify it. Also, I'm sure everyone is positive you didn't actually even bother reading the thread, just hopping on coattails. Words of advice, don't hop on the coattails of a buffoon such as yourself. Keep trying, chump.

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