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wolfshade · 09-29-2010, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Moving over to good live shows will have two good effects.

One is the extra turn on that it's actually happening somewhere in the world and not just another canned scene.

The other is, if it's also done like a chat site with low price one to one web cam chat rooms it will remove one of the elements funding Tubes.

Yes in the short term this will hurt affiliates web cam sales. But the recovering of paysite sales will soon replace that.

Holy shit! We Agree!!!

wolfshade · 09-29-2010, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Well, I was talking about the moral paradox, not the size of the bank account. If it's ok that A steal from B, isn't also ok that B steal from A, using same "model"?

Well lets make it even more interesting. Over here its legal to download stuff from torrents, p2p, etc... Now what?

As for your question, in my model nobody is stealing so B can't steal from A and vice versa.

Nautilus · 09-29-2010, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by wolfshade

Since that is what I am working on, we will indeed see the results in a couple of months.

OK if you're really going to actually TRY something, go ahead, by no means I'm going to discourage you. Just do not forget to let us know if it worked

wolfshade · 09-29-2010, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

We already do cams. And we already stream our own cam show every week all in-house with no 3rd party.

And it wouldn't sell on tubes and torrents? Then either the cams suck or your promos. Sorry

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And "have owned" doesn't mean much in what we are facing today.In case you didn't notice all the studios, sites, programs, etc. cutting production, firing employees, and even going out of business And yes, I'm already doing everything you described. Been ahead of the curve on every facet. That's why I still do well.

It means your previous remarks were dead wrong, and goes to show you should not just assume.

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But I'm not blind and I see how drastically decreased things are. And while doing social networking and live interaction is the only way to survive this shit on a day to day basis...the money being made is a FRACTION of what it once was in this business.

Nope not blind, just stuck in your old ways, as so many others(See Music industry, movie industry and also the adult industry)

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Owning a paysite a few years ago compared to what is happening right now can not be compared.

Correction: Owning a traditional pay site does not compare. The Internet has changed, we went social and P2P the business model needs to change as well.

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Please understand that guys like me are doing everything to monetize the current situation. And NOW we are also actively doing something about piracy. And it IS working.

Temporary untill improved sharing methods kick in. I repeat it is a lost battle even before it has started.

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Unless you are right here looking at my numbers and talking to my people then you are just theorizing what will and won't work.

Nope, my numbers are fine and I don't even actively promote my old shit. It just lives on through social sites that share it, and of course my 8000 torrents(Legal, my own stuff) do their thing as they continue to get seeded.

So I can speak out based on my experiences.

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I had 99% of paysite owners tell me two years ago that protecting my content "wouldn't work" too. It would be "hacked", it would "piss off my members"

Guess what? It worked. And claudia-marie.com just had the most successful month of all times this month (sept.), and that is saying something.

Again temporary, wait and see.

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Meanwhile...as an affiliate to other programs...I can barely make a sale because their entire members areas are ripped.

Hmm weird, mine come in on their own from promos years back

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Change is coming. One way or another. And I'm going to do everything I can to facilitate it. And your comments that insinuate I'm wasting my time are THEORETICAL. I'm the one doing it and seeing the results. You are the one making theories.

You are right change is coming but it will be another type of change then you expect or want.

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If you really want to speak with authority, then open a paysite NOW and see what happens.

What if I promote one through those means successfully is that not essentially the same thing? Why do I have to OWN the site?

Please explain why only owning a pay site would do that. And while on that note why would I want a traditional pay site as they are obsolete and no longer work?

wolfshade · 09-29-2010, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Nautilus

OK if you're really going to actually TRY something, go ahead, by no means I'm going to discourage you. Just do not forget to let us know if it worked

Aye sir! Won't be the first time I come in here with an I told you so thread

Nautilus · 09-29-2010, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Fbomb

DMCA is not fighting piracy, its and every day job of any e-goods producer and/or distributer.
WTF is coordinating etc etc... Can you please enlighten me how your etc etc is fighting piracy?

What's fighting piracy in your opinion then, surfer? Throwing napalm bombs at those evil piracy nests?

Coordinating is when people work together on an issue to achieve a common goal - in terms of fighting piracy, it is letting each other know when stolen content is found, sending lots of DMCAs simultaneously to ruin some thieving rapidshare blog, exchaging ideas and various anty-piracy tools and measures etc etc.

The war on piracy is a trench war, it's a day-to-day routine, not some blitzkrieg that could be won with the one brilliant blow. There are thousands of details that need to be handled and coordinated with other people who're doing the same. The stronger coordination between various anti-piracy outfits is, the more chances are that we prevail in this war. You cannot win this war fighting alone.

candyflip · 09-29-2010, 09:54 AM

Your "message" won't be heard. People will still download free porn, just as they are mainstream movies and music. It's up to you to come up with way to monetize it...if it's worth something.

This song is a few years old, but transpose a few words and it still makes sense today.

http://www.thetruant.com/wp-content/.../borg-cube.jpg

"Download This Song"
(feat. Jaret Reddick)

It's 2006, the consumer's still pissed
Won't take it anymore so I'm writing a list
Don't try to resist this paradigm shift
The music revolution cannot be dismissed
$18.98 Iggy Pop CD?
What if I can get it from my sister for free?
It's all about marketing Clive Davis, see?
If fans buy the shirt then they get the mp3
Music was a product now it is a service
Major record labels why are you trying to hurt us?
Epic's up in my face like, "Don't steal our songs Lars,"
While Sony sells the burners that are burning CD-R's
So Warner, EMI, hear me clearly
Universal Music, update your circuitry
They sue little kids downloading hit songs
They think that makes sense
When they know that it's wrong

Hey Mr. Record Man
The joke's on you
Running your label
Like it was 1992
Hey Mr. Record Man,
Your system can't compete
It's the New Artist Model
File transfer complete
Download this song!
Download this song!
Download this song!

I know I'm rhyming fast, but the message is clear
You don't need a million dollars to launch a career
If your style is unique and you practice what you preach
Minor Threat and Jello both have things to teach!
I've got G5 production, concept videos
Touring with a laptop, rocking packed shows
The old-school major deal? It makes no sense
Indentured servitude, the costs are too immense!
Their finger's in the dam but the crack keeps on growing
Can't sell bottled water when it's freely flowing
Record sales slipping, down 8 percent
Increased download sales, you can't prevent
Satellite radio and video games
Changed the terrain, it will never be same
Did you know in ten years labels won't exist?
Goodbye DVD's, and compact disks!

Hey Mr. Record Man,
What's wrong with you
Still living off your catalogue
From 1982
Hey Mr. Record Man,
Your system can't compete
It's the new artist model
File transfer complete
Download this song!
Download this song!
Download this song!

You know, we just wanted a level playing field.
You've overcharged us for music for years, and now we're
Just trying to find a fair balance. I hate to say it, but:
Welcome to the future.

Download this song!
Download this song!
Download this song!

Hey Mr. Record Man
The joke's on you
Running your label
Like it was 1992
Hey Mr. Record Man,
Your system can't compete
It's the New Artist Model
File transfer complete

Dirty Dane · 09-29-2010, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by wolfshade

Well lets make it even more interesting. Over here its legal to download stuff from torrents, p2p, etc... Now what?

As for your question, in my model nobody is stealing so B can't steal from A and vice versa.

We were talking about piracy, or? I don't think any countries allow piracy. Officially.

Whatever moral or law, the same should apply to both A and B, don't you think? But if I steal from another and he steals from me, we will both go down. Simply because we both have low moral and will "compete" to produce less than the other to gain most.

DamianJ · 09-29-2010, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Nautilus

You cannot win this war.

I agree with you there.

gooddomains · 09-29-2010, 10:38 AM

pretty interesting reading and discussion

Atticus · 09-29-2010, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

We already do cams. And we already stream our own cam show every week all in-house with no 3rd party.

And "have owned" doesn't mean much in what we are facing today.In case you didn't notice all the studios, sites, programs, etc. cutting production, firing employees, and even going out of business And yes, I'm already doing everything you described. Been ahead of the curve on every facet. That's why I still do well.

But I'm not blind and I see how drastically decreased things are. And while doing social networking and live interaction is the only way to survive this shit on a day to day basis...the money being made is a FRACTION of what it once was in this business.

Owning a paysite a few years ago compared to what is happening right now can not be compared.

Please understand that guys like me are doing everything to monetize the current situation. And NOW we are also actively doing something about piracy. And it IS working.

Unless you are right here looking at my numbers and talking to my people then you are just theorizing what will and won't work.

I had 99% of paysite owners tell me two years ago that protecting my content "wouldn't work" too. It would be "hacked", it would "piss off my members"

Guess what? It worked. And claudia-marie.com just had the most successful month of all times this month (sept.), and that is saying something.

Meanwhile...as an affiliate to other programs...I can barely make a sale because their entire members areas are ripped.

Change is coming. One way or another. And I'm going to do everything I can to facilitate it. And your comments that insinuate I'm wasting my time are THEORETICAL. I'm the one doing it and seeing the results. You are the one making theories.

If you really want to speak with authority, then open a paysite NOW and see what happens.

1. You're kind of proving the guys point. Your site has great live social interaction and is succeeding in a dismal market. The other sites you promote, with canned content, are not.

2. Through your other posts you have made it seem like you cant find your content anywhere, only super old vids before you made the switch or low res. Who do you have to sue then? And If it really is working and "adding up nicely" why not just give a rough ballpark on how many have settled? Maybe if other producers saw real numbers thet might be inclined to join your efforts. Not saying you are, but when you toss out things like "Thats none of your business" it really seems like you're full of shit. Especially when you're so forth coming on every other aspect and have no problem providing explicit detail, including almost exact financial numbers from years past.

3. Ever think that the industry is experiencing a market correction? One of the main reasons profit is down is due to the industries low barrier of entry and the fact that porn isnt worth $30 a month? Or $60 for a new Vivid movie? I know you work hard and care about your business but sitting at home in your PJ's and uploading galleries of hot chicks getting slammed isnt worth $500k a year. Instead of bemoaning the fact that you're not making that anymore, be thankful you got in early before the market corrected itself. And be thankful that filming your wife getting slammed by strange dick is still worth $500k + apparently.

Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-29-2010, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Nautilus

What's fighting piracy in your opinion then, surfer? Throwing napalm bombs at those evil piracy nests?

Coordinating is when people work together on an issue to achieve a common goal - in terms of fighting piracy, it is letting each other know when stolen content is found, sending lots of DMCAs simultaneously to ruin some thieving rapidshare blog, exchaging ideas and various anty-piracy tools and measures etc etc.

The war on piracy is a trench war, it's a day-to-day routine, not some blitzkrieg that could be won with the one brilliant blow. There are thousands of details that need to be handled and coordinated with other people who're doing the same. The stronger coordination between various anti-piracy outfits is, the more chances are that we prevail in this war. You cannot win this war fighting alone.

I see you're a fast learner my little russian pet. Robbie taught you well how to hurt peoples e-feeling with surfer punch line. You got me and my e-feeling hurt, and I don't know what to do.
So basically what you're saying is that DMCA is all you have done, and the rest is nothing but a big bowl of dicks and bullshit. So whats "etc , etc" ??? Please, continue.

ottopottomouse · 09-29-2010, 11:13 AM

This has carried on quite a bit since last night.

More interesting reading

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Originally Posted by Robbie

You re-educate the public on this and let them know it's risky to go to a pirate site...well then you are taking away the ONLY thing that a pirate site makes money on: the pre-paid ad spot.

Lack of understanding of the variety of pirate sites again.

Still going to say what I said before:

Either you want the piracy to happen so you can threaten people in the same way ACS:Law do and hope for a settlement from people who would never have actually bought it in the first place. (markham is going to call me an idiot 3..2..1..)

Or you have to make stuff unshareable.

gideongallery · 09-29-2010, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Fbomb

get him Robbie. Tell him about your resume and how he is nothing, just a surfer. Hit him where it hurts. Go after his e-feelings.

or post another thread asking eric to ban everyone who doesn't agree with you bs and pretend that it has something to do with keeping this industry pure.

DamianJ · 09-29-2010, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

This has carried on quite a bit since last night.

More interesting reading

Lack of understanding of the variety of pirate sites again.

Still going to say what I said before:

Either you want the piracy to happen so you can threaten people in the same way ACS:Law do and hope for a settlement from people who would never have actually bought it in the first place. (markham is going to call me an idiot 3..2..1..)

Or you have to make stuff unshareable.

You are SO going on Robbie's ignore list now man.

You don't get it, do you? If you do not think blackmailing potential customers is a good idea, then you are a pirate/surfer/fucking cunt.

Durbrain.

topnotch, standup guy · 09-29-2010, 12:01 PM

This thread is doing a nice job of separating the tube boys from the human beings here.

Bookmarked

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Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-29-2010, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

You are SO going on Robbie's ignore list now man.

You don't get it, do you? If you do not think blackmailing potential customers is a good idea, then you are a pirate/surfer/fucking cunt.

Durbrain.

You are So not going to Robbie's B-day party either.

ottopottomouse · 09-29-2010, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

You are SO going on Robbie's ignore list now man.

You don't get it, do you? If you do not think blackmailing potential customers is a good idea, then you are a pirate/surfer/fucking cunt.

Durbrain.

Actually I just see it as a possible business model but have no idea how well it would work.

Leak your shit.Chase anybody that downloads it. Threaten to tell their wife/girlfriend/mum/dog. Hope a large enough % of those threatened pay up to make it profitable.

DamianJ · 09-29-2010, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

Actually I just see it as a possible business model but have no idea how well it would work.

Leak your shit.Chase anybody that downloads it. Threaten to tell their wife/girlfriend/mum/dog. Hope a large enough % of those threatened pay up to make it profitable.

That's exactly what Davenport Lyons/Digiprotect did. Made a killing.

Agent 488 · 09-29-2010, 01:43 PM

The "legal blackmail" business: inside a P2P settlement factory

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...r-factory.ars/

ottopottomouse · 09-29-2010, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

That's exactly what Davenport Lyons/Digiprotect did. Made a killing.

With all the exposure ACS:Law have got recently i'm not sure it will be a viable way of doing things for much longer. Just needs enough people to know they need to say fuck-off as it won't go to court and then it will fizzle out.

Agent 488 · 09-29-2010, 02:05 PM

it's come out that if people refuse to pay they don't take them to court anyway because of the expense. once that gets well known the revenue stream is gone.

borked · 09-29-2010, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

The "legal blackmail" business: inside a P2P settlement factory

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...r-factory.ars/

Excellent article - props to ars

-edit and of course to the agent for sharing his find

DamianJ · 09-29-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by borked

Excellent article - props to ars

The person that wrote that article is clearly a pirate.

borked · 09-29-2010, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

The person that wrote that article is clearly a pirate.

It will make not the slightest bit of difference though! The new wave army will still plod on saying that it will work for them since it's fought in the US that has minimum statutory damages...

There is no sense in reason.

Paul Markham · 09-30-2010, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Funny, I was looking at the Alexa stats the other day for myfreecams.com compared to some other pay live sites and there seems to be a connection there

Not sure what you're saying here. I looked at their stats on Alexa just now.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/myfreecams.com#

Compared them with a few others and for traffic they do well against many except Live Jasmin of the ones I compared them with. Interesting to see how well they are climbing.

gideongallery · 10-04-2010, 04:52 PM

http://torrentfreak.com/uk-isps-succ...ndover-101004/

for those of you who argued (paul and others) that security issues were not going to be a big deal .

the lack of security was used as an "excuse" by an isp to avoid turning over the info.

expect more isp to follow suite, and demand massive settlements as a condition of turning over the identity.

Robbie · 10-04-2010, 05:13 PM

GidiotGallery gets his "unbiased" reports from torrentfreak.

Bitch, you need to get the fuck out of here because thedoc OWNS you. You should just leave with your tail between your legs because thedoc showed the world that you are full of shit and can't back up anything you claim.

Either write thedoc the email with the big mystery revenue stream that only gideongallery knows how to do...or be branded a little BITCH for life.

gideongallery · 10-04-2010, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

GidiotGallery gets his "unbiased" reports from torrentfreak.

Bitch, you need to get the fuck out of here because thedoc OWNS you. You should just leave with your tail between your legs because thedoc showed the world that you are full of shit and can't back up anything you claim.

Either write thedoc the email with the big mystery revenue stream that only gideongallery knows how to do...or be branded a little BITCH for life.

oh there we go making up words and misrepresenting them as my quotes

what a scum bag

never said it was unbiased, it just happens to be the first one on the list google gives

http://www.google.ca/search?q=UK+ISP...KC8gbIhL i7Aw

but the facts reported that an isp used this leak of data as a justification to refuse turning over anymore data is true, irregardless of who reports it.

btw your buddy doc said it wasn't going to be a big deal, while i argued it would be (just another example of me being right)

if you would prefer the article written by a different prespective

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/story/201...mail-leak.html

hell i think there is a downfall parody of this news you can watch

Robbie · 10-04-2010, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

I'm sorry...I am a complete waste of oxygen and thedoc PROVED it when he offered me the world and I STILL couldn't back up my bullshit claims

Well, at least you are admitting that you are thedocs BITCH. Now get the fuck off of GFY and go get a job. Your parents are sick of having to support a middle aged man who steals everything off the internet.

YOU BELONG TO THEDOC NOW BITCH

09-29-2010, 09:54 AM	#157
candyflip Carpe Visio Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Posts: 43,057	Your "message" won't be heard. People will still download free porn, just as they are mainstream movies and music. It's up to you to come up with way to monetize it...if it's worth something. This song is a few years old, but transpose a few words and it still makes sense today. http://www.thetruant.com/wp-content/.../borg-cube.jpg "Download This Song" (feat. Jaret Reddick) It's 2006, the consumer's still pissed Won't take it anymore so I'm writing a list Don't try to resist this paradigm shift The music revolution cannot be dismissed $18.98 Iggy Pop CD? What if I can get it from my sister for free? It's all about marketing Clive Davis, see? If fans buy the shirt then they get the mp3 Music was a product now it is a service Major record labels why are you trying to hurt us? Epic's up in my face like, "Don't steal our songs Lars," While Sony sells the burners that are burning CD-R's So Warner, EMI, hear me clearly Universal Music, update your circuitry They sue little kids downloading hit songs They think that makes sense When they know that it's wrong Hey Mr. Record Man The joke's on you Running your label Like it was 1992 Hey Mr. Record Man, Your system can't compete It's the New Artist Model File transfer complete Download this song! Download this song! Download this song! I know I'm rhyming fast, but the message is clear You don't need a million dollars to launch a career If your style is unique and you practice what you preach Minor Threat and Jello both have things to teach! I've got G5 production, concept videos Touring with a laptop, rocking packed shows The old-school major deal? It makes no sense Indentured servitude, the costs are too immense! Their finger's in the dam but the crack keeps on growing Can't sell bottled water when it's freely flowing Record sales slipping, down 8 percent Increased download sales, you can't prevent Satellite radio and video games Changed the terrain, it will never be same Did you know in ten years labels won't exist? Goodbye DVD's, and compact disks! Hey Mr. Record Man, What's wrong with you Still living off your catalogue From 1982 Hey Mr. Record Man, Your system can't compete It's the new artist model File transfer complete Download this song! Download this song! Download this song! You know, we just wanted a level playing field. You've overcharged us for music for years, and now we're Just trying to find a fair balance. I hate to say it, but: Welcome to the future. Download this song! Download this song! Download this song! Hey Mr. Record Man The joke's on you Running your label Like it was 1992 Hey Mr. Record Man, Your system can't compete It's the New Artist Model File transfer complete __________________ Spend you some brain. Email Me Last edited by candyflip; 09-29-2010 at 09:55 AM..

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topnotch, standup guy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Here and there. Posts: 1,562	This thread is doing a nice job of separating the tube boys from the human beings here. Bookmarked . __________________ A hard dick has no conscience. Last edited by topnotch, standup guy; 09-29-2010 at 12:02 PM..

10-04-2010, 04:52 PM	#177
gideongallery Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 7,082	http://torrentfreak.com/uk-isps-succ...ndover-101004/ for those of you who argued (paul and others) that security issues were not going to be a big deal . the lack of security was used as an "excuse" by an isp to avoid turning over the info. expect more isp to follow suite, and demand massive settlements as a condition of turning over the identity. __________________ “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

10-04-2010, 05:13 PM	#178
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,958	GidiotGallery gets his "unbiased" reports from torrentfreak. Bitch, you need to get the fuck out of here because thedoc OWNS you. You should just leave with your tail between your legs because thedoc showed the world that you are full of shit and can't back up anything you claim. Either write thedoc the email with the big mystery revenue stream that only gideongallery knows how to do...or be branded a little BITCH for life. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

09-29-2010, 10:38 AM	#160
gooddomains Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 10,127	pretty interesting reading and discussion

09-29-2010, 01:43 PM	#170
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	The "legal blackmail" business: inside a P2P settlement factory http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...r-factory.ars/

09-29-2010, 02:05 PM	#172
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	it's come out that if people refuse to pay they don't take them to court anyway because of the expense. once that gets well known the revenue stream is gone.