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12clicks · 09-30-2010, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by alessergod

Well that just shows how much you know about business.

Yes it does.

What do you do for a living again?

The Demon · 09-30-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by alessergod

It is well documented asshole. Look at what your reps are doing now, blocking a small business bill because it closes loopholes for sending jobs overseas. Anything to fuck the working people of the US. But apparently you slept thru your time in economic classes Dweeb U.

Well documented by whom? One link? Are you familiar with correlation and causation? Of course not, you assume the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, and that's it, like a bumbling idiot. Also, kudos on the Dweeb U insult. It's no wonder you're a moron by trade.

The Demon · 09-30-2010, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

and here i thought the stock market was based on speculation and not on the actual economy.

Shit, if the market was based on the actual economy, we'd have gold at $5,000+, and the dow at under 6,000.

cwd · 09-30-2010, 10:45 AM

I found this to be an interesting article, if anyone cares to take the time to read it, speaking to changes going on in the US now and for the future.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/09/14/third-world-america/

alessergod · 09-30-2010, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by cwd

I found this to be an interesting article, if anyone cares to take the time to read it, speaking to changes going on in the US now and for the future.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/09/14/third-world-america/

cws thanks for the article, it says what i've been saying all along

alessergod · 09-30-2010, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

Well documented by whom? One link? Are you familiar with correlation and causation? Of course not, you assume the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, and that's it, like a bumbling idiot. Also, kudos on the Dweeb U insult. It's no wonder you're a moron by trade.

thank you i thought you would enjoy it.

AdultSoftwareSolutions · 09-30-2010, 01:21 PM

Why is it always the left against the right? Democrats against the Republicans? Poor against the corporations.

All of those are subjective. If you are poor and uneducated you are likely going to want different policies from those that are rich and educated. Each side is merely arguing their own self-interest.

The real issue is corruption. It's not that corporations are bad and evil, it is that we have the occasional evil and corrupt person in power of those corporations. A knife is not good or bad, it is in how it is used.

If we have 25% capitalism, 25% socialism, and 50% corruption then we can't really blame capitalism or socialism because we don't really have either.

Just as there are people that abuse corporations to their benefit at the expense of others, the same can be said of welfare. There are people who don't need welfare but chose to receive it even though they can work just fine.

Realize people are going to spout whatever is in their interest. Let's look at corruption as the source of the problems and not blaming different political groups.

mburns · 09-30-2010, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cwd

I found this to be an interesting article, if anyone cares to take the time to read it, speaking to changes going on in the US now and for the future.

i liked this article - good post

IllTestYourGirls · 09-30-2010, 01:52 PM

Problem is one side thinks we have a free market the other side thinks we are socialist.

Bill8 · 09-30-2010, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultSoftwareSolutions

The real issue is corruption. It's not that corporations are bad and evil, it is that we have the occasional evil and corrupt person in power of those corporations. A knife is not good or bad, it is in how it is used.

that's actually an interesting line of thought for discussion.

no, it's not that corporations are "evil".

but, you can argue that they are inherently a-moral entities that act like a super-human, with the legal rights of a human, but none of the legal responsibilities of a human.

these characteristics create a virus-like psuedo-entity that always tries to take the resources of ordinary humans, with real legal responsibilities and liability for their actions, and co-opt those resources for it's non-conscious purposes.

that's why corporations, especially the large multi-national corporations, have become a threat to democracy.

not because they are evil, but because they are a-moral super-persons without legal responsibility.

Bill8 · 09-30-2010, 02:14 PM

I thought this was kind of an interesting observation about income distribution...

turns out that statistically we americans think we are living in a swedish style economy, and don't think we are living in the american economy.

anyway, get used to it, income inequality is the new american dream.

http://www.slate.com/id/2268872

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Norton and Ariely also asked respondents what they thought the ideal distribution of wealth should be, and found, again, little difference among income groups, or between Bush voters and Kerry voters. Most favored a wealth distribution resembling that in ? Sweden! But when you examine Norton and Ariely's method, that particular finding gets a little shaky. They showed respondents three unlabeled pie charts. One depicted utopian equality, with wealth distributed equally among five groups. The second depicted the United States, with wealth distributed very unequally among five groups (one of which gobbled up 85 percent?Norton and Ariely put it at 84 percent, but let's not quibble). The third depicted Sweden, where the top quintile accounts for 35 percent of the nation's wealth. Neither the Swedish pie chart nor the U.S. pie chart was identified by nation. Norton and Ariely were astonished that 47 percent of respondents?remember these were all Americans?chose the pie chart depicting Sweden. But surely most survey-takers, when presented with two extreme options and one that lies in the middle, will instinctively gravitate, like Goldilocks, toward the middle option. More surprising to me was that second place went to Utopia (43 percent). Only 10 percent voted for the pie chart depicting the country the respondents actually live in.

12clicks · 09-30-2010, 03:44 PM

At the end of the day, it's not the governments business to worry about who has how much. It's the governments job to pick up my trash and a few other things.

12clicks · 09-30-2010, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cwd

I found this to be an interesting article, if anyone cares to take the time to read it, speaking to changes going on in the US now and for the future.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/09/14/third-world-america/

This is what happens when you borrow and spend on shot you don't need.
I'm perfecty happy having the government providing only what it can pay for

Socks · 09-30-2010, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix66

Funny thing how some think that socialists fight the rich, corporations and inequality. Socialism at it's pure is one giant state corporation and those who are on top live 100 times better than those who are at bottom. They have personal guards and servants, best medicine, cars and food when those who are at bottom eat only 3d grade quality noodles and use public transport and hospitals empty on drugs.

NOODLES ARE GOOD.

And traditionally, the poor have always eaten better than the rich.

Of course, that only applies to countries where they, y'know, make real food.

Overload · 09-30-2010, 04:24 PM

funny thread actually ... the same is happening in germany - NO MATTER WHAT GOVERNMENT rules the country! so, the prob aint libs or reps but POLITICIANS! when will you get it? they sell your asses to pay THEIR outcome - simple as that and no matter which country

The Demon · 09-30-2010, 06:32 PM

I don't get why people bitch about income inequality. You can call capitalism "greed" but in reality, if someone works his ass off in the right venues, he can make what he wants to make while the person who doesn't work as hard doesn't make as much as the other guy. Income equality is a stupid concept.

BFT3K · 09-30-2010, 06:52 PM

My only goal in life is to become super rich.

I don't care if everything around me goes to shit.

Eventually I will be the King of Shitsville!

I will own the biggest house in a ritzy foreclosure-riddled neighborhood.

I will feel safe and secure knowing that everyone else has less than me!

ME! ME! ME!

Major (Tom) · 09-30-2010, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

When I first started posting here I used to hurl random insults at people I didn't even know. Pretty soon it became obvious that was clearly YOUR strong suit, so I decided to stick with my off topic contributions instead....

Classic!
But I do think you are getting a little too political lately. And I'd hardly call rich a 100k a year. You net more at 60k a year.
ds

brandonstills · 10-01-2010, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill8

that's actually an interesting line of thought for discussion.

no, it's not that corporations are "evil".

but, you can argue that they are inherently a-moral entities that act like a super-human, with the legal rights of a human, but none of the legal responsibilities of a human.

these characteristics create a virus-like psuedo-entity that always tries to take the resources of ordinary humans, with real legal responsibilities and liability for their actions, and co-opt those resources for it's non-conscious purposes.

that's why corporations, especially the large multi-national corporations, have become a threat to democracy.

not because they are evil, but because they are a-moral super-persons without legal responsibility.

Precisely. I think that is one of the best explanations I have heard.

brandonstills · 10-01-2010, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

At the end of the day, it's not the governments business to worry about who has how much. It's the governments job to pick up my trash and a few other things.

I'd rather have my choice of companies I can choose from. If left to the government they would make cuts and only pick up the trash once a month, then once every other month...

brandonstills · 10-01-2010, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

I don't get why people bitch about income inequality. You can call capitalism "greed" but in reality, if someone works his ass off in the right venues, he can make what he wants to make while the person who doesn't work as hard doesn't make as much as the other guy. Income equality is a stupid concept.

Watch the short movie called 2081. It will give you a laugh. They handicap the able so that everyone is equal. It's quite comical.

Slutboat · 10-01-2010, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Democrats are killing the middle class, we already knew that

Vendmoron you have said a LOT of stupid shit during your crazed right wing lunatic rants - but this takes the cake.

You are the most backassward twisted and brainwashed creep on GFY. You win.

cwd · 10-01-2010, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

I don't get why people bitch about income inequality. You can call capitalism "greed" but in reality, if someone works his ass off in the right venues, he can make what he wants to make while the person who doesn't work as hard doesn't make as much as the other guy. Income equality is a stupid concept.

I know we have all been taught that this is true and I think we want to believe it is true. If you work hard, you will be rewarded. Sounds great. But unfortunately we are coming to learn that it is not always so cut and dry...

The Demon · 10-01-2010, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by cwd

I know we have all been taught that this is true and I think we want to believe it is true. If you work hard, you will be rewarded. Sounds great. But unfortunately we are coming to learn that it is not always so cut and dry...

Yes, people do occasionally fall through the cracks. However, that's more the exception than the rule. Whether people want to realize it or not, they have the ability to do what they want to do in this country, and be successful. The ones that bitch are the ones that need to make excuses and are unable to take personal responsibility for their faults.

pOrRiDgE · 10-01-2010, 08:48 AM

Where did the money from my mothers inheritance go to you bastard???

09-30-2010, 01:21 PM	#57
AdultSoftwareSolutions Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 193	Why is it always the left against the right? Democrats against the Republicans? Poor against the corporations. All of those are subjective. If you are poor and uneducated you are likely going to want different policies from those that are rich and educated. Each side is merely arguing their own self-interest. The real issue is corruption. It's not that corporations are bad and evil, it is that we have the occasional evil and corrupt person in power of those corporations. A knife is not good or bad, it is in how it is used. If we have 25% capitalism, 25% socialism, and 50% corruption then we can't really blame capitalism or socialism because we don't really have either. Just as there are people that abuse corporations to their benefit at the expense of others, the same can be said of welfare. There are people who don't need welfare but chose to receive it even though they can work just fine. Realize people are going to spout whatever is in their interest. Let's look at corruption as the source of the problems and not blaming different political groups. __________________ Adult Software Solutions (ICQ 559884738) PHP, MySQL, Flash, Actionscript, Java, Wowza, CMS, Tube, VOD, CRM, Dating, Social Networks, Paysites, TGPs, Directories and more. If you can think it I can build it.

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IllTestYourGirls Ah My Balls Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under the gold leaf ICQ 388-454-421 Posts: 14,311	Problem is one side thinks we have a free market the other side thinks we are socialist. __________________

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12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,785	At the end of the day, it's not the governments business to worry about who has how much. It's the governments job to pick up my trash and a few other things. __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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Overload Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Beck's City, North Teutonia Posts: 3,185	funny thread actually ... the same is happening in germany - NO MATTER WHAT GOVERNMENT rules the country! so, the prob aint libs or reps but POLITICIANS! when will you get it? they sell your asses to pay THEIR outcome - simple as that and no matter which country __________________ There aren't enough faces and palms on this planet for an appropriate reaction to religion.

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The Demon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,336	I don't get why people bitch about income inequality. You can call capitalism "greed" but in reality, if someone works his ass off in the right venues, he can make what he wants to make while the person who doesn't work as hard doesn't make as much as the other guy. Income equality is a stupid concept. __________________ Greed is Good

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cwd Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: In a dream Posts: 1,955	I found this to be an interesting article, if anyone cares to take the time to read it, speaking to changes going on in the US now and for the future. http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/09/14/third-world-america/

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BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	My only goal in life is to become super rich. I don't care if everything around me goes to shit. Eventually I will be the King of Shitsville! I will own the biggest house in a ritzy foreclosure-riddled neighborhood. I will feel safe and secure knowing that everyone else has less than me! ME! ME! ME!

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