Do you full time webmasters need some motivation to work harder ?? Read this !!

[Slick]

This was posted on another board and I know we're not supposed to link to other boards, so I figured I'd just paste the post here for some motivation. I've been a full timer for over 10 years now and is scares the shit outta me thinking that this eventually could be me in the future.

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First week back at 8-5 job after 7 years of being a porn webmaster

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It had to happen sometime. My porn income has increase dramatically. I am making 30 percent of what I used to a few years ago. I went from making around 10k a month to now making less than 3k (before taxes)... And this month is looking a lot, lot worse. So I had no choice but to look for a job and I suppose I should be lucky I found one, although to be perfectly honest I do not feel lucky at all.

Its been 7 years since I worked a real job and the first week was HELL. First of all, I am not used to working a set schedule and waking up so early, plus half an hour commute each way. It's hard getting used being "forced" to interact with people in the office. Luckily I do not have to talk to customers and such but even dealing with other people is painful. No one has been mean to me, no one has picked on me, no one bullied me etc, yet it's still very hard to adjust because some people are already getting on my last nerve.

I feel really micro managed at work but that's just the way they do things. That's their procedure and that's how the owner wants it. I feel completely stressed and anxious all the time although the job itself is not hard. This whole weekend I was miserable, I couldn't enjoy my weekend because I know it will end soon. (Its already Sunday). Every little thing that happened during the weekend that wasted my precious time, such as slow cars in traffic or someone making me wait for 15 min or having to wait in line etc would make me almost want to cry, because it was taking away from my "Free Time" and "freedom" because I know that soon I will be a slave again for 40 hours. I feel tense and anxious even during my free time; I keep thinking about this irritating individual at work and how to deal/speak with him next time I see him and what I should have said last time. I keep thinking of stuff I need to re-do and correct on Monday. It's like I'm pretty much still at work; even my weekends are no longer free because I'm so stressed by work that my whole weekend was spent obsessing and stressing over it.

Like I said, the job is not hard! It's the people and dealing with the people etc. I have been feeling so miserable and depressed the whole weekend. On Friday I just layed in bed all night with no strength to do anything else, no strength to even go out to dinner; work is so draining.

Let me tell you, it is HARD to adjust to working full time after being self employed for many years. It is painful. It physically hurts. I don't think it's this job, I think I would have trouble adjusting to any job after being self employed for 7 years. I feel like dying thinking about having to wake up at 6am tomorrow again and going to work again in order make someone else rich.

I don't even have energy to work on my sites and stuff when I get home because I am literally EXHAUSTED by the time I get home. I don't know if I'm not used to it yet or what, but all I feel like doing when I get home is SLEEP. Its not a matter of eating right or exercising etc for more energy. It's that I feel like my soul has been drained and sucked right out of me after a long day, I no longer have the will and power to do anything else.

When I was my own boss I would ALWAYS sleep in. I could go to the beach during the day or whatever I felt like. No matter how much I worked I never had stress because I could sleep in. I didn't have to worry about getting fired or dealing with annoying, irritating people. If I didn't like someone I could tell them to fuck off. I didn't have to commute. As long as I was making $ it was all good.

It really sucks bad. I should have appreciated it more when I was my own boss and I should have saved my money more and re-invested more into the business and started new projects. Not just be a moron and do the same thing over and over; submit picture galleries (which doesn't make the same $ before as many years ago). I was just lazy and now I'm so fucked. I'm going to cry again because tomorrow is Monday already. Another 5 days of torture ahead.

Lucky I still have porn $ coming in. I just don't have strength/time to work on my sites or do ANYTHING at all after work. I just feel like sleeping.

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[AdultKing]

Poor Bastard.

[Twoface31]

ummmmmmmmmm ;)

[Agent 488]

post the follow up where he adjusted and doesn't mind his job now ; )

[Rochard]

The problem is people became used to the amount of income they were making, and used it to justify their expenses. The bigger a company gets, the worse it gets too.

I bet you this person sat there and kept doing the same thing, making less and less money each month, without changing their business model.

Me, I've found the perfect business model. Buy a domain for $10, build a blog. The only expense I have is domains and hosting, which is next to nothing. Nearly pure profit.

[Phoenix]

sounds like they gave up long ago

taking days off to go to the beach....slacking

i get up at 5am..and come to my office a few times a week

i work until late at night....i try to always be productive

if he focused for awhile, and dominated at his day job and tried to get his porn income up again i think he would be happier

[fatfoo]

Lying down on the bed is the most comfortable position.
A person needs rest to function normally.
It would be great to be able to press buttons while lying down on the bed.

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by Rochard

The problem is people became used to the amount of income they were making, and used it to justify their expenses. The bigger a company gets, the worse it gets too.

I bet you this person sat there and kept doing the same thing, making less and less money each month, without changing their business model.

Me, I've found the perfect business model. Buy a domain for $10, build a blog. The only expense I have is domains and hosting, which is next to nothing. Nearly pure profit.

the guy was a gallery submitter who was at the right place, right time and when the market changed was fucked.

[J. Falcon]

He slept in EVERYDAY and is now he's frustrated about having to find an offline job and work for someone else. If he hates his new routine so much he would work hard to get back to being self-employed.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by fatfoo

Lying down on the bed is the most comfortable position.
A person needs rest to function normally.
It would be great to be able to press buttons while lying down on the bed.

It would be great to be able to press a button and have you banned for good. Fucking idiot.

[CaptainWolfy]

poor fellow .. he obviously did something wrong.. adapt or die...

[chronig]

Originally Posted by fatfoo

Lying down on the bed is the most comfortable position.
A person needs rest to function normally.
It would be great to be able to press buttons while lying down on the bed.

Get this fucking clown out of here already... guy is even more useless than I previously imagined

[DidierE]

adapt or die...unfortunately it's a true fact.
Nothing lasts forever!

[CPA37710T]

i feel shame for that guy, its a scary story

[Agent 488]

adapt or day job.

[CaptainHowdy]

They guy is sinking into depression, maybe his day job (unlike the webmaster gig) will cover the upcoming shrink bills...

[seeandsee]

i am tired of doing nothing :D

[TeenCat]

everyone can get back to that possition, nobody knows what will life brings you, so its always sad so see someone going down ... wish him luck in what he will do in future ... but not reading that all, have some work to do

[mikesinner]

He sounds like a whiner. I'm in a lot worse position than he is and I have a much better attitude.

[HBKKH]

Office jobs are not so bad. If you work for with a good team, believe in the product and work out a good salary that provides bonuses or profit sharing. Also, it's good to broaden your social network and perhaps start slamming a chick at the office. Sometimes I miss the 9-5. But traveling the world working my own hours still kicks ass

[FlexxAeon]

at first i was like "this is not motivating" lol...

but then reading his story and it sounds JUST like how i was at my previous day job. so now i'm motivated to make sure i never have to go back, thanks.

[Tom_PM]

It could be the best thing that ever happened to him.

[ottopottomouse]

Not exactly motivational as he makes himself sound lazy and laziness is one thing I can't stand.

[Agent 488]

if you read the thread at adx the guy adjusts and actually is learning stuff about mainstream seo. also guy seems like introvert without any social skills so any social aspect to the job is lost on him.

[BVF]

He should've trained to learn something else as he saw his income going down....I know I'm back in school right now taking a year of Algebra for a program I'm trying to enter next fall...I want to diversify BEFORE shit really hits the fan....

I had a dream once where I was looking for an job in the classifieds and I woke up crying....So hell, if you're making 10k a month and it even drops to 7k, it's TIME TO LOOK FOR SOMETHING ELSE.....Go get an education while you have the time and money to get one without having to squeeze in a shit job in between.....Waiting for it to go under 3k is a waste...

The ONLY reason I'm still surviving is because I own my content and I have an extensive worldwide clientele...Other than that, I'd be toast a long time ago.

[The Porn Nerd]

That guy's story is the NIGHTMARE SCENARIO for Webmasters, mainstream or porn. Scary stuff - but it's mostly internal with him (regrets, etc) so maybe if he gets his head straight he will be able to deal with his new gig better. Any way you slice it, tho, sucks big time.

[BVF]

Originally Posted by Slick

When I was my own boss I would ALWAYS sleep in. I could go to the beach during the day or whatever I felt like. No matter how much I worked I never had stress because I could sleep in. I didn't have to worry about getting fired or dealing with annoying, irritating people. If I didn't like someone I could tell them to fuck off. I didn't have to commute. As long as I was making $ it was all good.

It really sucks bad. I should have appreciated it more when I was my own boss and I should have saved my money more and re-invested more into the business and started new projects. Not just be a moron and do the same thing over and over; submit picture galleries (which doesn't make the same $ before as many years ago). I was just lazy and now I'm so fucked. I'm going to cry again because tomorrow is Monday already. Another 5 days of torture ahead. -

I didn't even read the whole thing before my last post.....But dude....If you make your money SUBMITTING GALLERIES, then you should've fucking KNOWN that shit was going to hit the fan for you...People have been using the term "gallery whore" for years now....Use your brain!

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by BVF

I didn't even read the whole thing before my last post.....But dude....If you make your money SUBMITTING GALLERIES, then you should've fucking KNOWN that shit was going to hit the fan for you...People have been using the term "gallery whore" for years now....Use your brain!

He was too busy sleeping (in).

[will76]

Originally Posted by Slick

This was posted on another board and I know we're not supposed to link to other boards, so I figured I'd just paste the post here for some motivation. I've been a full timer for over 10 years now and is scares the shit outta me thinking that this eventually could be me in the future.

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First week back at 8-5 job after 7 years of being a porn webmaster

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It had to happen sometime. My porn income has increase dramatically. I am making 30 percent of what I used to a few years ago. I went from making around 10k a month to now making less than 3k (before taxes)... And this month is looking a lot, lot worse. So I had no choice but to look for a job and I suppose I should be lucky I found one, although to be perfectly honest I do not feel lucky at all.

Its been 7 years since I worked a real job and the first week was HELL. First of all, I am not used to working a set schedule and waking up so early, plus half an hour commute each way. It's hard getting used being "forced" to interact with people in the office. Luckily I do not have to talk to customers and such but even dealing with other people is painful. No one has been mean to me, no one has picked on me, no one bullied me etc, yet it's still very hard to adjust because some people are already getting on my last nerve.

I feel really micro managed at work but that's just the way they do things. That's their procedure and that's how the owner wants it. I feel completely stressed and anxious all the time although the job itself is not hard. This whole weekend I was miserable, I couldn't enjoy my weekend because I know it will end soon. (Its already Sunday). Every little thing that happened during the weekend that wasted my precious time, such as slow cars in traffic or someone making me wait for 15 min or having to wait in line etc would make me almost want to cry, because it was taking away from my "Free Time" and "freedom" because I know that soon I will be a slave again for 40 hours. I feel tense and anxious even during my free time; I keep thinking about this irritating individual at work and how to deal/speak with him next time I see him and what I should have said last time. I keep thinking of stuff I need to re-do and correct on Monday. It's like I'm pretty much still at work; even my weekends are no longer free because I'm so stressed by work that my whole weekend was spent obsessing and stressing over it.

Like I said, the job is not hard! It's the people and dealing with the people etc. I have been feeling so miserable and depressed the whole weekend. On Friday I just layed in bed all night with no strength to do anything else, no strength to even go out to dinner; work is so draining.

Let me tell you, it is HARD to adjust to working full time after being self employed for many years. It is painful. It physically hurts. I don't think it's this job, I think I would have trouble adjusting to any job after being self employed for 7 years. I feel like dying thinking about having to wake up at 6am tomorrow again and going to work again in order make someone else rich.

I don't even have energy to work on my sites and stuff when I get home because I am literally EXHAUSTED by the time I get home. I don't know if I'm not used to it yet or what, but all I feel like doing when I get home is SLEEP. Its not a matter of eating right or exercising etc for more energy. It's that I feel like my soul has been drained and sucked right out of me after a long day, I no longer have the will and power to do anything else.

When I was my own boss I would ALWAYS sleep in. I could go to the beach during the day or whatever I felt like. No matter how much I worked I never had stress because I could sleep in. I didn't have to worry about getting fired or dealing with annoying, irritating people. If I didn't like someone I could tell them to fuck off. I didn't have to commute. As long as I was making $ it was all good.

It really sucks bad. I should have appreciated it more when I was my own boss and I should have saved my money more and re-invested more into the business and started new projects. Not just be a moron and do the same thing over and over; submit picture galleries (which doesn't make the same $ before as many years ago). I was just lazy and now I'm so fucked. I'm going to cry again because tomorrow is Monday already. Another 5 days of torture ahead.

Lucky I still have porn $ coming in. I just don't have strength/time to work on my sites or do ANYTHING at all after work. I just feel like sleeping.

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I agree with much of what he has said. I would hate to have to deal with "co-workers" and all of the bullshit of having a boss etc...

But some things I would point out about his mentality. He said its hard working FULL time, but yet said he is working only 40 hours a week. Hell I am self employed and work about 80 hours a week. He goes on how it was nice to sleep in when he was working for himself, go to the beach etc etc... sure it is nice to have the freedom to make your own hours and flexibility of not having a set schedule, but it sounds like this guy wasn't working really hard for himself in the first place, therefore likely why he is in the position he is in now.

As money goes down I work more hours. If I run out of hours in the week to work and still lose money to where its not worth doing this any more and I had to get a 40 hour a week job, that would feel like a vacation to how much I am working now... but i agree it would totally stuck working for someone else, with a schedule, and dealing with co-workers.

[will76]

Originally Posted by fatfoo

Lying down on the bed is the most comfortable position.
A person needs rest to function normally.
It would be great to be able to press buttons while lying down on the bed.

I thought about using your services a few times, but to be honest your posting annoy the shit out of me so bad, I decided to use someone else.

[ShellyCrash]

Originally Posted by Rochard

The bigger a company gets, the worse it gets too.

Ain't that the fucking truth. Someone should have these words bronzed.

[will76]

and think he is a perfect candidate for "easy come easy go". After reading the last couple paragraphs, I don't feel sorry for him at all. Sounds like he did very little work, made pretty good money and pissed it all way, wtf did he expect to happen, for gallery submitting to last for ever?

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

Ain't that the fucking truth. Someone should have these words bronzed.

yeap, I have down sized and cut expenses by 75% over the last year. I continue to cut expenses and try to maximize my income. If sales dip, if you can off set that with working harder and cutting back expenses you give yourself a much much better chance of pulling through. Or you can just sleep in and go to the beach, spend it all and hope it lasts for ever.

[ShellyCrash]

Sounds like work ethic is part of the problem.

I am my own boss. I have partners and employees, but at the end of the day I set my own hours, I run the show.

Last night I was going till around 2:30 -3:00 am. When I woke up this morning, around 7:00 am, I put on my robe and sat down and the laptop and instantly received a message via ICQ from another affiliate on the other side of the globe. My point being, there is no 9 to 5 for me. I am 100% vested in my company's success and I eat, sleep and breathe my business. We have an operations manager that has keys to the office that doesn't need me to be there to run the show, but I'm still there, 7 days a week.

If you can put in less than 40 hrs a week and maintain a lifestyle you are comfortable with, more power to you, but if you've invested less than 40 hrs a wk and you're income is begining to falter, maybe that's part of the problem.

[woj]

That actually sounds like a pretty typical story... the guy is an easy target to pick on, "lazy idiot who thought submitting galleries will last forever", but similar fortune is coming to many on here... doesn't matter if they submit galleries, design, program, run blogs, or even run paysites...

[woj]

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

Sounds like work ethic is part of the problem.

I am my own boss. I have partners and employees, but at the end of the day I set my own hours, I run the show.

Last night I was going till around 2:30 -3:00 am. When I woke up this morning, around 7:00 am, I put on my robe and sat down and the laptop and instantly received a message via ICQ from another affiliate on the other side of the globe. My point being, there is no 9 to 5 for me. I am 100% vested in my company's success and I eat, sleep and breathe my business. We have an operations manager that has keys to the office that doesn't need me to be there to run the show, but I'm still there, 7 days a week.

If you can put in less than 40 hrs a week and maintain a lifestyle you are comfortable with, more power to you, but if you've invested less than 40 hrs a wk and you're income is begining to falter, maybe that's part of the problem.

I'm sure the guy put in his time, just like any of us... you really think he spent 2 hours per day working, and then the rest of the time he was goofing around on the beach? and then decided to get a real 40 hour per week job, instead of getting his shit together? Just doesn't add up for some reason, if someone is lazy, getting a real job is a last thing they would do...

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by Slick

When I was my own boss I would ALWAYS sleep in. I could go to the beach during the day or whatever I felt like. No matter how much I worked I never had stress because I could sleep in. I didn't have to worry about getting fired or dealing with annoying, irritating people. If I didn't like someone I could tell them to fuck off. I didn't have to commute. As long as I was making $ it was all good.

It really sucks bad. I should have appreciated it more when I was my own boss and I should have saved my money more and re-invested more into the business and started new projects. Not just be a moron and do the same thing over and over; submit picture galleries (which doesn't make the same $ before as many years ago). I was just lazy and now I'm so fucked. I'm going to cry again because tomorrow is Monday already. Another 5 days of torture ahead.

Lucky I still have porn $ coming in. I just don't have strength/time to work on my sites or do ANYTHING at all after work. I just feel like sleeping.

geez doesn't sound like he was self-employed, sounds like he found an easy way to make money and fucked off in the meantime!

Anyone who has ran their own business knows it takes way more than 40+ hours a week to be successful. Sure, it's nice to be your own boss, but if you don't put the time in you aren't going to succeed either way.

Working a 40 hour job and then clocking out should be the easiest thing he's done in a while, but instead he is whining about it. Sounds more like laziness than anything.

There are a LOT of people still in this biz making check after check, slaving away, and not complaining so you don't see them post all day about it because they are actually WORKING. lol

A learning lesson though, invaluable one too.

[will76]

Originally Posted by woj

That actually sounds like a pretty typical story... the guy is an easy target to pick on, "lazy idiot who thought submitting galleries will last forever", but similar fortune is coming to many on here... doesn't matter if they submit galleries, design, program, run blogs, or even run paysites...

it's not so much what he used to make money, it is his work ethic or lack of. He is talking about 40 hours like it is this incredible amount of hours to work now with a "full time" job. Then he goes on and on how he use to sleep late every day and go to the beach a lot.

The typical story is people who find a way to make decent money, cut back their hours and spend more and think that it will last for ever.

I "feel" for the person who keeps working hard, or harder, who doesn't blow what they make but instead invests it or tries to grow their business. Someone who really busts his ass. If at the end of the day if he still fails, he can know he gave it everything he had.

[klinton]

i like Acer's posts in that thread....

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

Sounds like work ethic is part of the problem.

I am my own boss. I have partners and employees, but at the end of the day I set my own hours, I run the show.

Last night I was going till around 2:30 -3:00 am. When I woke up this morning, around 7:00 am, I put on my robe and sat down and the laptop and instantly received a message via ICQ from another affiliate on the other side of the globe. My point being, there is no 9 to 5 for me. I am 100% vested in my company's success and I eat, sleep and breathe my business. We have an operations manager that has keys to the office that doesn't need me to be there to run the show, but I'm still there, 7 days a week.

If you can put in less than 40 hrs a week and maintain a lifestyle you are comfortable with, more power to you, but if you've invested less than 40 hrs a wk and you're income is begining to falter, maybe that's part of the problem.

That's an excellent post

[Vick!]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Me, I've found the perfect business model. Buy a domain for $10, build a blog.

Originally Posted by Rochard

I bet you this person sat there and kept doing the same thing, making less and less money each month, without changing their business model.

So, Aren't you doing the same? Doing same without changing business model?

[Alprazolam]

Hang on I will get that translated.........


Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!!!!!!


You're welcome.

[Va2k]

Hell this could happen to anyone of us here! It's scary as hell! I don't think I would last long working for someone younger then myself! Online it's different etc..

[Domain Broker]

Originally Posted by woj

Just doesn't add up for some reason, if someone is lazy, getting a real job is a last thing they would do...

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by woj

I'm sure the guy put in his time, just like any of us... you really think he spent 2 hours per day working, and then the rest of the time he was goofing around on the beach? and then decided to get a real 40 hour per week job, instead of getting his shit together? Just doesn't add up for some reason, if someone is lazy, getting a real job is a last thing they would do...

he said he owes a shitload of back taxes that he has to pay.

[SKULL]

Illegal TUBES are to blame

[Argos88]

this was posted on askdamage and is just an example of what most affiliate webmasters are experiencing...

adult biz is not paying their bills anymoe and they go to work on daily job.

thats why most forums are almost dead and there is no activy when in 2005, any thread received 10 responses in 5 mins after it was posted.

.

[MobiusMike]

grrrrrrrrrrrr..can't make shiat work today

Can't post html here, so go find John Lajoie "Everyday Normal Guy" on YouTube

[Chris]

I suppose this is why i save alot of my money and have made some very wise investments. Even at 10k a month im sure the guy could of found 1k to save or invest some how

[will76]

Originally Posted by Domain Broker

Originally Posted by woj

Just doesn't add up for some reason, if someone is lazy, getting a real job is a last thing they would do...

If someone is lazy, getting a job is the only thing they will be able to do. You can't work for yourself and be lazy. Unless you are very lucky and stumble across a very easy way to make money and it last a while, if you are lazy and work for yourself you wont be working for yourself for long.

Lazy people lack discipline, they need structure and to be told what to do (ie a boss).

if someone is lazy, they will wind up getting a JOB and riding the clock and doing just enough to get a paycheck without getting fired. Where as if thy are working for themselves and lazy, they are cheating themselves not the company they work for and enventually they will go out of business.

Makes perfect sense to me. The guy sounds lazy and unmotivated, therefore he may not *want* to get a job but it is the only option ultimately for lazy, undisciplined people.

Originally Posted by Fungus

Hell this could happen to anyone of us here! It's scary as hell! I don't think I would last long working for someone younger then myself! Online it's different etc..

your odds go up if you working less than 40 hours a week, sleep late each day, and spend a lot of time at the beach.... but yeah it could happen to any of us regardless, but some are more likely to go down faster/first than others.

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

Question is, hows your arse this morning & is cum still bubbling from your arse Anytime Natalie & I have fucked anal, she bubbles cum a day later.... or maybe I just drill it inside her too deep