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Spunky · 11-11-2010, 11:15 PM

God bless the Vets!

Seth Manson · 11-11-2010, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

Do you respect Nazi soldiers? Do you respect the Al Qaeda soldiers who flew planes into the Twin Towers? After all, they put their lives on the line for what they believed was right.

You're damn right I respect them. Only an idiot doesnt respect their enemy. Respect is seperate from love or hate, you do understand that, right? I think maybe you dont.

Seth Manson · 11-12-2010, 12:00 AM

Minicivan, - LOL -, Zyber, Maxi, Stocktrader23 = A band of idiots.

moeloubani · 11-12-2010, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Seth Manson

You're damn right I respect them. Only an idiot doesnt respect their enemy. Respect is seperate from love or hate, you do understand that, right? I think maybe you dont.

Of course I do, but I always thought of respect as a sort of admiration. Here is how it is defined on Wikipedia:

Respect denotes both a positive feeling of esteem for a person or other entity (such as a nation or a religion), and also specific actions and conduct representative of that esteem. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respect

You have a positive feeling of esteem for the ones that flew into the World Trade Centers? Not me! Any time someone purposefully hurts or kills a civilian then they've lost my respect.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 11-12-2010, 02:06 AM

I avoided reading and posting in this thread until Veterans (Remembrance) Day had passed.

My birth Father was a Korean war vet, and my recently deceased Step-Father (whom I consider my Dad) served in WW11 as a Marine (USMC).

I am a 6-year Vietnam-era (non-combat) Navy Vet, and my younger brother served in both the Army and the Marines, including during the first Gulf War. If you look at the young men, and more recently, at the young women, in my extended family, it is the same.

We are the most peace loving people you could meet, but our sense of duty made us sign up nonetheless. We did so not expecting anyone's gratitude, but simply because we believed in the ideals of this country, regardless of how various our politicians have acted over the years.

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

as my son puts it....

A Veteran is someone, who at one point in their life, wrote a blank check
payable to the United States of America for an amount up to, and
including, their life.

That is beyond honor, and there are way too many
people in this country who no longer remember that fact.

So true...even though I mostly served during peacetime, I was always aware, that my status could change at any moment.

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Originally Posted by spazlabz

thats true for some...for me I joined because I believed that if I were going to enjoy being an American that I owed the country something back. Every generation of my family served in the military since they arrived in the US, 4 generations on my paternal side and 3 on my maternal. I was proud to wear the uniform and honored that I was allowed to serve

it sounds so quaint and even a little corney now but I honestly felt (and still do) that I wanted to give back to the country that is my home.

I harken back to JFK's famous "Ask not what your country can do for you" speech...

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Originally Posted by kane

I have several friends that have served in all the different branches. My buddy that was in the Marines was in Somalia, Honduras and other places before actually fighting in the first gulf war. He talks about what he saw in the fighting, but he says the things that stick with him the most is what they were able to do in Somalia. His group brought in food and help set up refugee camps and for a lot of the people they helped it was the first meal they had in days. The warlords in that country would take any food that the aid groups sent and hold it to use as a political tool. My buddy was part of the group that helped break that up to some degree. He actually shipped out of that country about three weeks before the infamous Black Hawk Down incident happened.

He talks a lot about helping people in various places and how proud he was to have served. I have mad respect for him and all my friends that served. For that matter I have great respect for anyone that serves in our military. When you sign up you may have any one of a million different reasons to do so, but you never know when a war might break out. Take for example all of those kids that joined up in 2000. They might have just wanted to get some money for college or do something different and see some of the world. I'm sure they had no idea that the events of 9/11 would happen and they would end up in a war. That is part of the deal and it is why everyone who served deserves respect. One day you might be mopping a floor and hanging out in a barracks, the next day you could be in some god-forsaken shithole fighting for your life.

I would have joined after high school myself, but I have asthma so I couldn't get in.

Whoever said "War is hell", could not have spoken truer words. I feel for all of the soldiers for every side, who gave their lives in the service of their at times misguided leaders.

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Originally Posted by Quagmire

You owe your country, you owe yourself, your family and your friends a long and prosperous life.

You owe the politicians who send all the young men and women to fight and die for profit absolutely nothing.

Sadly the 'wars' today have nothing to do with justice and honor.

I hear you. One of the most profound books which I ever read, and was at one time censored and outlawed in the U.S., is the Dalton Trumbo novel "Johnny Got His Gun", which I recommend to each and every one of you. I used to give it away as a Xmas present every year.

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Originally Posted by alessergod

Thank You for Your Service from an Army Veteran who has been shot at and missed and shit on and hit. We tend to disagree on things from time to time but on this issue you and I are in total solidarity.

Peace be with you my brother.

Brett (Vendzilla) and I are as far apart as two people could probably be on most issues of politics, and perhaps I only speak for myself, but I have the utmost respect for him, since we have shared experiences, and I think in the end that we are both sincere and genuine people that believe passionately in our ideals, but can look past our differing world views, and peacefully co-exist, and that is what gives me faith in the future...

Peace,

ADG

Zyber · 11-12-2010, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Seth Manson

Minicivan, - LOL -, Zyber, Maxi, Stocktrader23 = A band of idiots.

It is always easy to simply group people together.

If you look at my reply you will see that I am against fighting illegal wars, and against preventing the leaders from being held accountable for their crimes.

E.g. none of the highest ranking persons who ordered the systematic use of torture on civilians, who lied to their national Parliament/Congress, built Guantanamo-bases around the globe, have faced justice.

Examples? To date George W. Bush, Tony Blair, Anders Fogh Rasmussen etc are all free men. They all lied to their respective nations, well-knowing WMDs did not exist. Try making a civilian's arrest on them, and quickly you will be stopped by their armed goons. Those, sorry to say, fools think they protect their flag and country by shielding the criminals who give them their monthly paycheck.

Some wars deserved respect. For example the liberation of Europe in 1945.
But going to Iraq to steal their oil has no justification.
First we were all told that there was a connection with 9/11 and Al Qaeda. There was no connection.
Then they changed the reason that Iraq was a direct threat to the security of the West, because they should have the infamous Weapons of Mass Destruction. These WMDs did not exist.
But what does exist, is the connection with Bush, Cheney and the oil industry.

Please take the time to read the Downing Street Memo and you will find out that Bush wanted the war on Iraq no matter what - he would invent the excuse later.

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The Foreign Secretary said he would discuss this with Colin Powell this week. It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran. We should work up a plan for an ultimatum to Saddam to allow back in the UN weapons inspectors. This would also help with the legal justification for the use of force.

Source: http://downingstreetmemo.com/

Those wars were purely for profit, and nothing but crimes against humanity.

It is estimated that between 100.000 and 1.000.000 civilians have been killed due to the invasion from our countries. Why the systematic use of torture on soldiers and civilians? All our countries have signed Human Rights agreements not to use such techniques. Geneva Convention?

Honour is to defend your country. To defend your Constitution. To defend your (valid) Laws and Rights. Honour is to protect your country's name from being abused by corrupt politicians. Honour is to catch these crooks and let them face justice. Not to protect them, and point your guns at those people, who point out that your boss is actually the criminal.

So who is the band of idiots?

Being young, naive and easily manipulated is excusable, but demanding respect for having made those mistakes in the past is crossing the line a bit?

Vendzilla · 11-12-2010, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Brett (Vendzilla) and I are as far apart as two people could probably be on most issues of politics, and perhaps I only speak for myself, but I have the utmost respect for him, since we have shared experiences, and I think in the end that we are both sincere and genuine people that believe passionately in our ideals, but can look past our differing world views, and peacefully co-exist, and that is what gives me faith in the future...

Peace,

ADG

Differing politics don't define the man
I have equal respect for you too ADG

pornguy · 11-12-2010, 10:52 AM

I never joined but I served. Desert storm, Desert shield and a few other things.

CaptainHowdy · 11-12-2010, 11:02 AM

Overall, being a veteran means being a veteran...

LAJ · 11-12-2010, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

It seems some people on here have been critical of veterans, they I guess didn't serve, it's not about countries against other countries, it's not about war mongers.
There are several reasons to join, I wanted to do something different, being on a submarine was something very few people will ever get to do. We never fired a shot, except to practice. We carried out our orders.

If you have a problem with the current wars, no shit? You think vets wants wars, are you fucking insane?

But as anyone that has served, you are changed from the experience for the rest of your life. You know how to work with others, because your life depended on it, not just because of a war going on, but because it's just plain dangerous. I got submarine pay while I was in, which is Hazardous duty pay. You think my job was safe?

And for those that didn't have the balls to join and see the world and do something bigger , I feel sorry you didn't get the chance to experience that.
As I said in a different post
My daughters ship, the USS Ronald Reagan CVN 76
You know the cruise ship that broke down? They saved 4,500 stranded passengers
http://www.10news.com/news/25677866/detail.html

or maybe the Philippines 2 years ago
http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=38237

And there is more

So pick your fight carefully, Veterans didn't pick the fight, they finished it

PS, I'm not going to argue with anyone on this or any other post about Veterans again, give them anything but respect and you lower your standing as a human being

While I greatly appreciate your service and everyone elses, what I don't appreciate are statements like these:

"And for those that didn't have the balls to join and see the world and do something bigger"

-- A little humility and humbleness goes a long way. Did you never learn that? There are many ways to serve this country, see the world and do something bigger.

"give them anything but respect and you lower your standing as a human being"

-- In America we have the right to disagree. I respect you as a person and for what you've done, but not your statements. You sound like you are speaking for all vets and that you are better than everyone else. That's what I got from that at least.

Again, I appreciate the service of all vets, but anyone who supports America, pays taxes and makes this country a better place one way or another is worthy of respect.

I'm sure this'll be misinterpreted 10 different ways so flame on.

Rochard · 11-12-2010, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Fungus

Hell I always say thanks to the men and women of our military everyday! Wish I would of joined when I turned 18 but nope I joined the fire dept and was a paramedic/firefighter for 13 years! Best job I have ever had! It would of been great to have been in the military! If it wasn't for my health and kids I would join now! *shrugs*

I have respect for that really. It doesn't matter if you served in the military or a firefighter or police officer. In the military you serve your county; As firefighter or a police officer you served the greater good of the general public - and saw a lot more action than I did during my four years of being a US Marine. I have a huge respect for firefighers and police officers.

Rochard · 11-12-2010, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by - LOL -

99% of the miliary are the dregs of humanity. They couldn't get a real job or get into college so they signed up to be told what to do. So we are supposed to respect those that couldn't handle a fast food job?

And where are the national holidays for people like doctors, teachers, fireman, police and so on, you know, the non dregs of humanity that actually contribute to our quality of life?

I just commented in this thread about someone who was a firefighter and how I have a huge amount of respect for that.

So your saying I am the bottom of the barrel because I joined the Marines? You fucking prick. I was an honor roll student all through high school back in the day when that meant something. I went into the military because I was pretty much done with being a student, spent four years in the Marines, then seven years managing a fast food restaurant while climbing up the corporate ladder in the telecommunications industry at the same time, THEN went to college and graduated Valedictorian with two degrees, one in computer tech and one in electrical engineering.

I served four years. I don't consider myself a Vet. Your average fire fighter sees ten time more action in four years than I did in the Marines. I got a lot more out of my four years in the Marines than I put in, and came out a better person.

JP-pornshooter · 11-12-2010, 11:55 AM

peace have a price, freedom an even higher cost.
many countries still on this earth to this day has neither and their people suffer as a consequence.
many of us take these privileges for granted as we were born into these free societies.
but you need not go back many generations when the freedom of our societies were challenged.
the men and women of that time faced the music, they man'ed up, many paid the price with their lives, or that of their child or sibling.
in the end it was required and these people knew that, those people are the veterans who we should all be forever indebted to.

Vendzilla · 11-12-2010, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by LAJ

While I greatly appreciate your service and everyone elses, what I don't appreciate are statements like these:

"And for those that didn't have the balls to join and see the world and do something bigger"

-- A little humility and humbleness goes a long way. Did you never learn that? There are many ways to serve this country, see the world and do something bigger.

"give them anything but respect and you lower your standing as a human being"

-- In America we have the right to disagree. I respect you as a person and for what you've done, but not your statements. You sound like you are speaking for all vets and that you are better than everyone else. That's what I got from that at least.

Again, I appreciate the service of all vets, but anyone who supports America, pays taxes and makes this country a better place one way or another is worthy of respect.

I'm sure this'll be misinterpreted 10 different ways so flame on.

those statments were made to those that would bash a veteran on veterans day
And I stand by my statment, definition of an asshole, putting down veterans on veterans day

~Ray · 11-12-2010, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Maxi

Why do veterans always act like they did the world a favor by serving in the military? I haven't served but if I did it'd be because I wanted to serve, not because I felt like I should do the country a favor, if I got injured or died I wouldn't feel like the world owes me something because I joined the army knowing full well that that's a risk that comes with the job and I was fine with that.

Unless you were conscripted I think you should shut the fuck up IMO.

I don't agree with what you said...but I certainly support your freedom of speech.

Have a nice day,
~Ray
USN vet

CDSmith · 11-13-2010, 09:14 AM

Just remember;

It is the VETERAN, not the preacher,
who has given us freedom of religion.

It is the VETERAN, not the reporter,
who has given us freedom of the press.

It is the VETERAN, not the poet,
who has given us freedom of speech.

It is the VETERAN, not the campus organizer,
who has given us freedom to assemble.

It is the VETERAN, not the lawyer,
who has given us the right to a fair trial.

It is the VETERAN, not the politician,
Who has given us the right to vote.

It is the VETERAN,
who salutes the Flag and fellow service personnel with the utmost respect and reverance,

It is the VETERAN,
who serves under the Flag,

Enjoying your freedom? No matter what country you're in, chances are you owe that freedom entirely to the VETERANS who at one time or another fought and in many cases died to preserve it.

I myself never served, never had to in fact, but I do have several vets in my family and family history. I'm damned thankful for what they did, and for what they sacrificed.

In my mind every day is a day to never forget them, but it's nice that we have one day a year when the rest of us can drop our attitudes and our loudmouthed opinions and just step up and thank a Vet. God bless 'em all I say.

I hope everyone had a good Veteran's day. I know I did.

Vendzilla · 11-13-2010, 10:18 AM

I always take flowers to graves of veterans that don't have anyone. Do it in the evening of veterans day.
They built a VA cemetery near by recently, but I still go to the same cemetery where my step dad is buried

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JP-pornshooter Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: westcoast usa Posts: 4,007	peace have a price, freedom an even higher cost. many countries still on this earth to this day has neither and their people suffer as a consequence. many of us take these privileges for granted as we were born into these free societies. but you need not go back many generations when the freedom of our societies were challenged. the men and women of that time faced the music, they man'ed up, many paid the price with their lives, or that of their child or sibling. in the end it was required and these people knew that, those people are the veterans who we should all be forever indebted to. __________________ "Obscenity is whatever gives the Judge an erection." -- Author Unknown

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CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Just remember; It is the VETERAN, not the preacher, who has given us freedom of religion. It is the VETERAN, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the VETERAN, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the VETERAN, not the campus organizer, who has given us freedom to assemble. It is the VETERAN, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial. It is the VETERAN, not the politician, Who has given us the right to vote. It is the VETERAN, who salutes the Flag and fellow service personnel with the utmost respect and reverance, It is the VETERAN, who serves under the Flag, Enjoying your freedom? No matter what country you're in, chances are you owe that freedom entirely to the VETERANS who at one time or another fought and in many cases died to preserve it. I myself never served, never had to in fact, but I do have several vets in my family and family history. I'm damned thankful for what they did, and for what they sacrificed. In my mind every day is a day to never forget them, but it's nice that we have one day a year when the rest of us can drop our attitudes and our loudmouthed opinions and just step up and thank a Vet. God bless 'em all I say. I hope everyone had a good Veteran's day. I know I did. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

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Vendzilla Biker Gnome Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: cell#324 Posts: 23,200	I always take flowers to graves of veterans that don't have anyone. Do it in the evening of veterans day. They built a VA cemetery near by recently, but I still go to the same cemetery where my step dad is buried __________________ Webair died? Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that