DamianJ

Reread it, hon. The thread is about the lawyers that worked in the UK sending blackmail letters to IP addresses.

There is a whole big wide world outside America you know.

There are people that read this board outside of America, hence me saying who the fuck are 'we'

Well he posted in the thread, calling me a cunt, so he is at least interested enough to read it.

I love being called names as a counterpoint. Really shows the other person has no intelligent argement to make and is resorting to name calling. Hilarious. Bless him.

Paul Markham

Hard to remain happy when you are a loser. Look at his marketing skills.

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Agreed. Selling the same old stuff that's being given away for free won't cut it in 2010. Even if it is in HD. That hasn't stopped the flow so far.

So what will be the extras we need to add to make more members come back?

IMO. Live content, live chat, forums, interactive will all help. Great content will also help and it has to be locked down. Plus more flexible join periods to suit individuals needs.

All this will cost money and the only place to get the extra money will be from the marketing budget. So the Catch22 is if you want a site with more chance of getting conversions and better retention, affiliates will have to accept a lower payout.

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You obviously haven't got the forward facing Truvelo cameras yet then.

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TheDoc

End of the day, blanket attacks will end up getting your ass nailed to the wall.... they always have and they always will.

And traffic cam wise, legally you do not have to pay it if it's not you driving. I've already gone through it.... the law's are very clear on this and only idiots would pay the bill.

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What those who are hoping the new law will fail don't seem to realise is the US Government won't stop there if it doesn't work.

The pirates are now clearly in their sites. Probably the big recording, programming, gaming and other companies are spending a lot of money lobbying the US Government to do something.

If people can't sue pirates, get their domain taken down or remove the Internet connection of serial downloaders or uploaders. Then a new law will come out.

The piracy lobby can't outdo the power of big business.

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gideongallery

i love how you think the pirates have a lobby group

news flash paulie it groups like EFF that are defending all americans rights.

the same law that protect this industry protect peoples right to make the commentary "check yout quest crews best dance routine"

the safe harbor provision you guys are bitching about never existed in the proposed draft of the DMCA, it only got put in to balance the takedown notice power given to the copyright holder to protect the free speech/ fair use of the copyrighted content.

there is no way in hell that any law that is passed is not going to have a balancing clause, and with the current arguement being proposed (lose your copyright if you use those powers to abuse fair use) the "big business" is running scared.

Look at how many times people here complain about how "unfair" such a restriction is. As if you couldn't hire a lawyer, to adequately inform you of the potential fair use infringing liablity of attempted use of those powers. As if if they gave you patently bad advice you could sue them for malpractise.

the only people who would be fucked over by such a counter balancing proposal would be idiots who hire divorce lawyers to do their copyright work or hire qualified lawyers get the right advice and deliberately ignore it.

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Barry-xlovecam

Plaintiff won ? the verdict has been retried and a similar verdict reached with some modification in the jury's award. Maybe, an appeal of the latest verdict ...

This is in the US Courts and is a well known and argued case from moral viewpoint. It is important to note a few things;

1.) Her defense was that she was not the person using the IP ? she lost on that one.

2.)"[T]hat's a consequence of Congress providing statutory damages that range from $200 (for an "innocent infringer") to $150,000 per infringement. ..." She was accused of file sharing so she (her IP) was greater than an "innocent infringer."

3.) Her activities were not for some commercial gain (for some profit).

The traffic camera ticket issue cited above is still in motion;

Note the name in the URL, civil_district_court_judge_rem i.e., in rem = against property (a vehicle in this case) but the Courts can identify the vehicle's owner so the owner is fined and the vehicle is not "arrested (read seized)." I am not arguing this as right or wrong and in some cases, I think this is excessive or even possibly unconstitutional.

The most important statement in all of this is;

"[T]hat's a consequence of Congress providing statutory damages that range from $200 (for an "innocent infringer") to $150,000 per infringement. ..."

Users that are downloading for their own personal use and not "file sharing" might end up with a judgment of $200 (for an "innocent infringer",) per title proven as downloaded.

Since for about $29.95 they could have had legal access and the right to download, if I were the "Emperor," I would treble the damages to 89.85 per claimant. Remember, this is for an "innocent infringer."

Paul Markham

You prove your stupidity if you think pirates can out lobby big business. It's all comes down to $$$ in the end.

The American Rights doesn't cover the right to break the law. Copyright infringement is breaking the civil law. Dream on if you think EFF can change that. Fair use is not what pirates are doing.

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I am unaware of ANY big site that had it's domain seized, got a new domain and new servers and then had their "traffic follow" Name one.

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DamianJ

Paul Markham, who begs for money on message boards, calls me a loser.

Awesome.

Tell you what, you and Lightspeed should try and explain exactly why you think suing an IP address is good, rather than just call me names.

I will start it off for you:

"I, Paul Markham, know that you can spoof an IP address. I know that open wifi exists. I know that grandparents have nephews that visit. I know that landlords pay the bill for internet access in rented accomodation. Bearing ALL that in mind, I think sending people threatening letters and boasting about how it intended to provide a new revenue stream and never actually go to court is a good idea because..."

Finish the sentence Paul. I dare you.

Agent 488

some mainstream movie/tv sites did. google it. not familiar with the sites personally but read a few articles about it. i'm not your research assistant.

DWB

If all you Brits were not criminals and hooligans, this abuse would not have happened in the first place. You people are almost as bad as Nigerians.

In some cities if you are caught picking up a prostitute in ANYONE'S car, they confiscate the car. Doesn't matter if I'm driving your car, mine, or a rental. It's gone. Then they put your name and photo in the paper.

The speeding ticket issue would apply for the auto-ticket machines. They take a photo of your number plate and mail you the ticket. The owner of the car is the responsibly party.

If there is an analogy to be used, it would be that one.

Paul Markham

So lets make 2 lists and compare.

You live in a rented small grotty flat in a house split into two.
You're 40ish and not got a mortgage or ever likely to get one.
You're single.
You're working in an industry that's on it's way down.
You're CV will show 8-10 years working in the porn business and a string of jobs.
You're odds on getting a job in marketing are slim at best.
Your sites are;
http://www.adultmarketing.co.uk
http://www.pornbeer.com
http://www.damianjennings.com
Your work is here. http://vimeo.com/user2552989/videos
You advertise here.
http://www.magician-directory.com/Ma...ast-Sussex.htm


Shows a site that's a blank page. How do you get bookings? Just interested.

I live in a house I own, with Eva.
I'm happily married with a great daughter.
I'm a cancer survivor, which lifts me up all the time.
Have another daughter and two grandchildren.
I'm 60 and retired.
Everything is paid for so all profits from the business, run by Eva, are spending money.
My sites are;
http://www.paulmarkham.com
http://www.bargainbasementcontent.com
http://www.paulmarkhamteens.com
http://www.astral-blue.com

And we still make money from magazine sales. Though haven't shot for over 2 years.

I made a joke thread asking for money to pay for glasses, you're to foolish to see that. Or just too depressed. If you think I'm short of $1,000 you must be thinking of yourself.


Bye, bye. Off to the shops. To buy more Xmas presents.

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I really honestly hope when I retire, I find better things to do that repeatedly get trolled on message boards. Took me mentioning the glasses three times to get you to bite, but bite you ALWAYS do. Thanks for never failing to be predictable.



xoxoxo

PS Awesome side stepping again!

"I, Paul Markham, think suing IP addresses is a good idea because..."

Go on Paulie, you can do it, justify the blackmail. Oh wait, you can't so you attack me personally instead.

Brilliant. Name calling rather than counterpoint. So intelligent. Such a persuasive argument. I take it you didn't do well at debates at school?

"Markham, now present why you think Capitalism is good"
"Capitalism is good because my opponent lives in a rented flat and he has nothing on one of his domains! And he does magic! What a loser! LOL"

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stocktrader23

Dude, I know you say you have me on ignore but maybe someone will quote this for you.

Piracy is growing daily. Shutting down websites has not and will not help anything. That mainstream board you hate, guess what the top 10 affiliate programs are over there? File hosting that pays per download. There is one thread with 9,000 replies and hundreds of thousands of views compared to the 40 views a normal business thread gets.

These fucks upload movies, list them on their movie sites and get paid for the number of downloads. They upload gigs and gigs and gigs and gigs of shit at a time and the filehost helps them out with fast connections and the tools to do so. With this setup the file host is absolutely not responsible for the content of the files, it's not even close to being against the law. As long as they follow DMCA (USA) they will not die.

This also offsets the big piracy to thousands of little fuckhead Indians and other foreigners from broke shitholes that just don't care. Since these people already have their sites up it takes them a collective few minutes to change all the links and make a new file host the go to choice. They already do this when one pays better, they can do it when one gets closed.

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Agent 488

where do you think all the porn board sig whores went? they are all posting hotfile links all over the place.

will76

Why are you acting so dense on this. You are bitching about what "Steve et al" is doing and how it doesn't work / isn't allowed in the UK. So what the hell does that matter to "Us" (we) over here in the US? Obviously you have to know what ever the UK laws are that it doesn't mean shit over here in the US.

and yes, I do know there are people outside of the US on this board.


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lol, no. All they get is an up close shot of your plate and a wide angle shot from the back showing your car going through the intersection with the light red. You can't even see the person driving it much less make out their gender or race. And even worst you can't fight it, you are guilty. period. There is no defense, you can go to court and say "its not me" and they don't give a fuck, you pay or YOU get hit with late fees etc.

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i like suing

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Rochard

Generally speaking in the US if you get a ticket it means you speak directly to the police officer, and they check your ID.

If it's a photo ticket, you get the ticket in the mail. Again, at that point, you either pay the fine or show up in court and prove it wasn't you. Same thing with a parking ticket. If your friend drives your car into the city and gets a parking ticket, you get the ticket in the mail afterwards. Again, either pay the fine or prove it wasn't you - and good luck proving it wasn't you.

It's no different than with someone downloading content. Someone using a computer as this IP address that traces back to your house downloaded content illegally without paying for it, and someone is responsable - most likely the owner of the computer or maybe even the person who pays the cable connection.

It's just like finding drugs in your house. If the cops raid my house and find a stash of drugs and I can't tell them who it belongs to, they arrest the owner of your house.

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ottopottomouse

What are house prices like there?

And try not to start your reply with something about trolling as it's turning into a constant flow of telling Damian he lives in a hovel but I have no idea how Czech compares to see whether you are correct or not.

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Rochard

Your the biggest fucking idiot on this board. Of course you can sue based on IP address. An IP is clearly proof - it says "someone from this location at this date at this time hit this server and illegally downloaded this content".

Was it possible that it was a neighbor or someone else hacking into a wifi connection? It sure is. But at the end of the day the person who owns / leases that IP address is responsable for what happens on it. If my kid downloads ten thousand songs illegally using my connection and my computer, I'm responsable for it.

It's like being caught with drugs in my house. If the cops raid my house, and find drugs, they arrest me because it's my house. It could be that the drugs wasn't mine and I had no idea they were there - but I'm the one going to jail. If I believe I'm innocent at that point, I go to court to prove it.

No different than an IP address. You can be sued for it, and then it's up to you pay the fine or prove them wrong in court.

My god, the fucking entry level in this industry is set very low.

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Rochard

Are you telling me that he's a fucking magician?

That explains so much....

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When you retire you'll be living in a State owned flat, on a State pension and what ever else the State can provide.

And calling Eva a "Bought Wife" or looks like a "Manwife" isn't name calling.

I pointed out the difference between you and me. Are you saying with all your knowledge of how the Internet works you only managed to get as far as you have? Either your knowledge means fuck all or you're not as bright as you make out.

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I think suing pirates is great because it teaches them the consequences of their actions.


I think Capitalism is great because it allows people like me without any decent education, left school at 14. To reach the heights I have reached.

Not a great height compared to some. But at least I can still look down and see you.

How do people book you for magic via a page that doesn't work? I wish I had found that link earlier and done a screen grab.

Elegant, entertaining and magical. Describes Damian down to a T.

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Dude, you are pulling this shit out of your ass. No, you are not responsible for it in the same way. For starters, these people are being sued for SHARING files, nobody is getting sued for downloading them.

You can not sue someone and win for doing something without proving that they actually did it. This is why NOBODY has been found guilty yet.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060727/1131227.shtml

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Paul Markham

I would say houses cost 75% of what they cost in the UK. Excluding the ridiculous costs of London. Modern 4 bedroom detached house with garden outside Brno, $200k (130k GBP)

Also the cost of living is lower here, so that's a benefit. Especially if your income is based on UK and US earnings.

The reason we come here isn't the cost of housing or living. The reason is clear from our site. There's a far higher % of good looking girls here. My UK shot sets stop in the 400s, my CZ shot sets go into the 2400s. Plus the stuff not numbered, like exclusive for magazines or a few for websites. Plus the "Readers Wives" sets we shot here. Doesn't take a marketing genius to work out why we came here.

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what if hipoteticly some one break onto my computer (even remote access spyware) and do all the shit, will i go to jail jesus...

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stocktrader23

Ask Steve how that works. What Damian is bitching about is that they are harassing people with no intent to actually sue. It costs a shitload of money, more than Steve has, to sue everyone and prove their case. They want the easy money of people agreeing to settle, not court battles.

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bjlover

The reason you live in eastern europe is because you can't afford to live any where else

The reason Damian J lives in a one bedroom rented flat is because he can't afford to live anywhere else.

The reason you two don't get on is because you are so similar

Both broke, both think everyone else can't see it, both have no lives and spend all your lives on gfy posting retarded crap and believing your own bullshit

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bjlover

Lets hope so

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stocktrader23

This deserves it's own thread but here.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...32478790.shtml

One lawyer was banned for 6 months for this kind of approach.

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Paul Markham

And with no money we funded shooting 2.000 sets, a house here, had a staff of 8, had a 3,500 sq ft studio and I retired. You're also a genius I can see.

I post on GFY for something to do. Why do you post here?

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wasnt you begging here a few years ago because you didn't even have a bank account? when your wife had an accident, you was asking people to pay you by epassporte because you didnt even have a bank account?

so your a great business man, with 8 staff, 3,500 studio, retired, loads of money.


but you dont even have a bank account

you should stop believing your own bullshit. Thats why you are 60, been in porn for 30 years, living in eastern europe and have no life off gfy



seriously, you are a joke and your best mate Damian J is the same. Thats why you dont like each other so much. You are so alike

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I feel sorry for you.

Wow what a sad waste of a life

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Maybe he looked up your magic join link source code and got bookings that way?

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Agree with that. Stick me one or two in the post...


Yes prices in London are a bit mental but you might be a bit behind on the rest of current UK prices though. £130K seems to be the market value of something like Damian's hovel in Brighton.

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Rochard

Your wrong. People are being sued by the music industry because they downloaded music illegally from a copy filing site, which was traced back to them using their IP. Most of them just settled out of court.

http://news.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/1...sharing-music/
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,96797,00.html

This article claims they've sued twenty-six thousand people for uploading, downloading, and otherwise sharing music online:
http://marketplace.publicradio.org/d...goes_to_court/
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/274415

I understand what your saying. If you trace something back to my IP address it doesn't mean that I physically did something - it means someone at my house did. But to sue someone, you don't have fucking prove anything. Your suing someone, not proving innocence or guilt. Just like a photo traffic ticket - They trace the car to owner via the license plate, and thus send the ticket to the owner of the car.

Sorry, the music industry is going after people. The movie industry is going to start to. Fuck, the gaming industry is pissed off that people can download their game before it hits store shelves. And the porn industry will start suing people too.

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gideongallery

read the case moron

no wireless router, modem connected directly to the pc, mac address of the machine identified.

They did way more than just say ip address = proof.

btw this case is all about knocking down bogus precedent, if it was about getting jamie off they would have made all their arguements at one time, they are doing it one at a time, getting a new trial, going thru the motions (including making arguements that would have only worked in the first trial) so that they can clearly prove precedent x is responsible for overturning the conviction.

Each and every time this get retried, the RIAA has to jump thru even more hoops to get the conviction, spending more and more money each time.

make available gone because of this case

liablity for the automatic indexing of the my music folder

all the extra hoops that you now have to jump thru to prove liablity.

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Rochard

What everyone seems to mis-understand is that the IP adress is only a portion of the proof.

I just read that some forty thousand lawsuits were filed, and all but two settled out of court. First off, what does this tell you? Exactly - 99.9% of those forty-thousand were guilty as sin and knew it. But in the case someone does take it to court, they can reference your IP address against a dozen other things, starting with a database of people who had accounts with one of the illegal filing sharing services, or something else.

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If you caught a person speeding time and time again would they eventually lose their drivers license?

Me thinks so.

Repeat offenders should be punished. Manwich rewards them.

kristin

What about colleges that all have the same IP addy?

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lot of people post in threads like this to boost their own ego`s, acting like the Godfathers of porn. Yet, non of them I read have actually impressed me with something I dont know, or they never did anything that really amazed me. Of course, when people post here to boost their ego, they dont give a shit what others think, they like to think about what they said when reading it back. Sad sad sad... Wake up people, no one gives a shit what you think or achieved.

NO one cares about what you fight against, if you where almost RIP or not,, no one needs to know you can get Jumbo Loans cause your so fucking good, no one cares about your fucking coin collection that was lost for so many years.

I am here cause i need to wait for uploading, and hope to read one day something that would change my fucking day. Until now i am inspired to learn how to smoke crack and how to avoid law suites... Shame on u all ya bitches and happy thanks giving btw

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wrong thread.

borked

this frikken car analogy is bullshit - to drive a car you need a license. To use an internet connection you need, well simply a computer, whether it's your own paid access or your moms/dads, your grandmas, your neighbours, your work, doesn't matter.

I'm asking myself, why has no university ever been sued to settle out of court? After all, most universities, like homes distribute private IPs and sit behind a single (or a hundred) external IPs. They are responsible for that internet IP, so same right? But no Universites (or works) are targeted.

Stop this frikken car analogy cos it's bullshit. An IP is not a pirate. The person downloading and sharing the content is a pirate.

While the law still allows laywers to do what they please, it will still be a revenue source for some. The courts in the UK will decide this fate pretty much once and for all for lawyers in March. It will be interesting to say the least.

Carry on with your revenue streams behind the guise of IP identification == pirate and for each stupid comment to that end there will be others to state otherwise.

Why the fuck does it mean that all that disagree with this method of bullying (esp. the adult twist) is tantamount to a pirate - fuck off. I am actively creating stuff to detect piracy and I am solid with Damian on this as the others are. He is just more verbose on the boards about it. So I'm a pirate too? (wrong thread to be making this point I know, but the other thread disappeared).

Sending these letters to holders of internet access clients is bullshit and the only ones agreeing with this are the ones seeing $ signs as a revenue stream (as was mentioned int he OP article). Hopefully, the justice system will see the same and put an end to it (in the UK at least).

So stop the frikken car analogy because a car and a computer are not the same.

On another note, (no source) one of the big major telcoms in France, Free have refused to send out letters to "copyright infringers" based on the recently implemented HADOPI law - this is a major telcom going directly against a govt implemented law for this EXACT reason. They are refusing to issue warnings (3 warnings and internet cut off) to their clients based on IP surveillance.

And fucking good on them.

Fight theft at the source, not from the low hanging fruit (as was given as analogy in another thread).

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hehe, my post took so long to write, you beat me to it

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