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u-Bob · 11-25-2010, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JFK

Wait until some ass blows up a train or a shopping mall, it's all over."

Wait until some former CIA asset tries to board a plain with a bomb up his ass... One week later, you'll be getting a free finger up your ass at the airport.

JFK · 11-25-2010, 03:00 AM

yeah, looking forward to that one

xholly · 11-25-2010, 04:44 AM

MaDalton · 11-25-2010, 05:00 AM

i can only recommend to read this:

http://www.askthepilot.com/essays-an...y-on-security/

written by someone who has a clue...

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However, acts of political violence against civil aviation are hardly a recent phenomenon. In fact we see far fewer of them than we used to. By comprison, once can remember the 1970s and 1980s as sort of Golden Age of Air Crimes, rich with hijackings and bombings. Over one five-year span between 1985 and 1989 we can count at least six high-profile terrorist attacks against commercial planes or airports. These include the horrific bombings of Pan Am 103 and UTA 772, the bombing of an Air India 747 over the North Atlantic that killed 329 people, and the saga of TWA flight 847.

Flight 847, headed from Athens to Rome, was hijacked by Shiite militiamen armed with grenades and pistols. The purloined 727 then embarked on a remarkable, 17-day odyssey to Lebanon, Algeria, and back again. At one point passengers are removed, split into groups and held captive in downtown Beirut. The photograph of TWA captain John Testrake, his head out the cockpit window, collared by a gun-wielding terrorist, was broadcast worldwide and became an unforgettable icon of the siege.

I say ?unforgettable? but that?s just the thing. How many Americans remember flight 847? We act as if the clock didn?t began ticking until September 11th, 2001. In truth we?ve been dealing with this stuff for decades. It?s astonishing how short our memories are. And partly because they?re so short, we are easily frightened and manipulated.

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MaDalton · 11-25-2010, 05:04 AM

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BaldBastard · 11-25-2010, 05:08 AM

Just wait til some one brings down a plane by putting a bomb up their ass.

Then you will be looking back on the pat down as the "Good Ol Days"

czarina · 11-25-2010, 05:11 AM

YOU DONT SEE WHAT THE BIG DEAL IS WITH SCANNERS? Do you really want just anybody looking at your little boy's weewee thru one of those? Or checking out your teen daughter's tampax stuffed in her crotch? Give me a break!

ottopottomouse · 11-25-2010, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by xholly

Agent 488 · 11-25-2010, 06:59 AM

only perverts see a simple pat down as something sexual. some people's minds have become warped for too much exposure to porn it seems.

ottopottomouse · 11-25-2010, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by u-Bob

Wait until some former CIA asset tries to board a plain with a bomb up his ass... One week later, you'll be getting a free finger up your ass at the airport.

If I was a lunatic plane bomber i'd be doing that on purpose.

It's one thing making every passenger after you till the end of the world have to take their shoe off but causing the introduction of a mandatory cavity search would be quite an achievement

cjhmdm · 11-25-2010, 07:14 AM

As long as the government can continue to instill fear in it's dumb ass people, the "terrorists" will always win.

America will be like China, or dare I say North Korea, before long... with all the complete morons that make up that country now, it's inevitable...

Keep allowing the government to strip you of you liberties and freedom.. before long you all might actually realize just how stupid you have been because you believed everything they say on tv...

Hint: "Al Qaeda" is nothing more than a work of fiction meant to do one thing, instill fear. And because the bulk of Americans are complete idiots... it's working like a fucking charm.

Edit: You have a higher chance of surviving a heart attack on a plane only to have it crash and kill you anyway than you do to actually be on a plane hijacked by "terrorists". It's all about control, and you imbeciles fall right for it.

seeandsee · 11-25-2010, 07:20 AM

i cant pass true them, my steal balls are biping :P

baddog · 11-25-2010, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by u-Bob

And the 'enhanced pat downs' are an act of sexual abuse.

Have you never been patted down by a cop? Was there one thing sexual about it?

BlackCrayon · 11-25-2010, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

I fly 1-2 times a year. I have no problem with taking my shoes off, my hat, belt, emptying my pockets, if they want to pat me down be my guest. Want to dig through my carry on, by all means go for it. Short of putting a probe up my ass I am cool with it. Walking through a scanner, what is the pain in the ass about that ???

I've also flown to Italy with layover in Germany and every one was pat down and they really got up in your crotch. I was a little surprised, never been frisked like that before. They did it to everyone, i don't mind. Can't say I have been to Israel to comment on how it is done there, have you?

Do what you need to do to ensure my safety when I am flying / crossing the boarder. Those are the places where security should be tight. I just dont get the people who bitch about the "intrusion" what is better a little intrusion or protecting lives? and not to mention if you don't like it stay the fuck home or drive.

the guys flying 100 plus times per year would proably get cancer after years of it.

Bryan G · 11-25-2010, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Bremen, Barcelona, Dublin, Amsterdam, Frankfurt

This must be changing, I never took my shoes off in Amsterdam in 09, nor did I in Glasgow or Barcelona.

MrBottomTooth · 11-25-2010, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

They say cell phones cause cancer too and I bet you (and 99.9% over everyone else) put that to your head a lot more often then you g o through airport scanners.

Ya, that's why I said: "Enough shit gives us cancer already, don't need to add anymore."

Ron Bennett · 11-25-2010, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy

There is no way to fly without getting radiation. The scanners are nothing compared to what you get once you get up in the air.. it's a non issue.

Perhaps, but that's not conclusively shown, and much of the technical details of the scanners have not been publicly revealed. The dosage numbers the TSA and others are touting are whole body exposure. More specifically, what is the effect of much of the radiation exposure being concentrated into one's skin - that's still unknown.

With all that said, the scanners, when operating correctly by a highly trained operator, are likely safe. However, what if the scanner malfunctions and/or is operated by an operator who isn't fully aware of the limitations / safety issues of the machine.

In short, in regards to safety, much of the concern with the scanners is the radiation exposure in the event of a malfunction / operator error.

Read up on the Therac-25 saga ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25

The key points of the Therac-25 saga are that malfunctions can and do happen, especially in machines predominantly controlled by software, and operator training is an important variable - TSA agents aren't trained medical professionals ... in the view of many, that alone is worrisome in regards to the scanners.

Ron

will76 · 11-25-2010, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Bennett

Please re-read my previous post about what the real threat of hijacked planes is ... it's NOT about protecting the passengers on board, but rather all about protecting important facilities / the power-elite on the ground from being targeted by such an attack...

From the perspective of the power-elite, if a hijacked plane blows up before reaching an important target, even if the passengers and some unimportant people on the ground die, that's just collateral damage. Heck, the U.S. military already has a procedure for shooting down hijacked jetliners - it's not about protecting the passengers, it's all about protecting valuable targets (ie. Sep-11-2001 attack, most all the damage and most of the deaths were on the ground) from being hit by the aircraft.

In short, for many terrorists, controlling the aircraft is a critical part of their terror plot - the locked cockpit door presents a serious barrier, and presumably, discourages many from even trying; provides pilots extra time to take counter-measures.

Ron

really more people died on the ground from the sept 11 attacks? i thought there was 2,000 people on the 4 planes.

Security isn't just about the planes being hijacked, its about them being blown up as well. If that was the case why would they even scan the checked in luggage? Both things are important (passenger safety and the planes being used as a weapon) no matter how much you nutty conspiracy, anti govt types think. There was a lot of non power elite, every day workers who died that day.

the "power elite"

christ... the old expression there is "one in every group" seems to be magnified x10 on GFY.

will76 · 11-25-2010, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

TSA fails to find shit all the time. They have a huge ass failure rate even when testing themselves.

The air marshalls make 4 arrests per year, costs only $800,000,000.

This big brother talk is stupid. Yes, the government likes to do shit to keep citizens in line. That's irrelevant. We are no safer today than we were yesterday. If you are such a pussy about dying quit going to sleep, better chance you die there than on a plane.

I like the rights I have. I already know where this road leads and it's not worth it.

PS, enjoy your cancer.

so what do you propose, no security since you think it doesn't work, costs too much and gives every one cancer?

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Originally Posted by Poindexterity

its a slippery slope dude.

i mean the vaporization of our constitutional rights, not your ass.

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Originally Posted by JFK

he just does not get it , no point in arguing, as DWB stated

"It is only a matter of time before events, bus travel, train travel and little Joe's soccer game will have you walking through x-ray machines and dealing with security. Wait until some ass blows up a train or a shopping mall, it's all over."

It's going to happen sooner or later, and when the terrorists do it I hope the govt continues to find ways to try to protect us from those type of future attacks... opposed to doing nothing and letting it happen.

Seems like you dumb fucks would rather die from an attack then god fucking forbid walk though a scanner or be touched to try to ensure your own saftey. " No, we can't have increased safety measures it might cause more of our constitution rights to be taken away!!! No way, how dare the govt try to touch me or make me walk through a body scanner, they have no right!!! fuck them and big brother!!! " and then the plane goes booom and your dead! but hey big brother didn't get to push you around you showed them tough guy! So what the terrorist killed at lot of americans, at least the govt didn't infringe on those dead american's rights.

So besides bitching (like all of you are) about the current situation of security measures, why don't you tell us how you would like it to be. No security ? just a metal detector and take your chances flying??? Hope that you or someone you know is not on the plane the next time this happens?

So how many of you voted for Obama and how does it make you feel that Obama is allowing this? Do you think, for one second that even though you don't like it that it could be for your own good or *gasp* the great good?? No that can't be it, the new security measures were put in place to take away your constitution rights and protect the power elite.... yeah that's it..... lmao

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Originally Posted by u-Bob

Wait until some former CIA asset tries to board a plain with a bomb up his ass... One week later, you'll be getting a free finger up your ass at the airport.

the body scanner would catch that. But since you people think body scanners take away your constitutional rights I am sure if that happened the family of the dead victims would take comfort knowing that their family members died with their constitutional rights intact.

Ron Bennett · 11-25-2010, 10:29 AM

According to Wikipedia...

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There were a total of 2,996 deaths, including the 19 hijackers and 2,977 victims.[44] The victims were distributed as follows: 246 on the four planes (from which there were no survivors), 2,606 in New York City in the towers and on the ground, and 125 at the Pentagon.[37][45] All the deaths in the attacks were civilians except for 55 military personnel killed in the attack on the Pentagon.[46]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks

Over 90% of the deaths were those on the ground. Of the 2977 killed, excluding the terrorists, 246 were passengers. Those numbers reiterates the bigger threat of aircraft is to facilities and people on the ground.

Ron

will76 · 11-25-2010, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cjhmdm

As long as the government can continue to instill fear in it's dumb ass people, the "terrorists" will always win.

America will be like China, or dare I say North Korea, before long... with all the complete morons that make up that country now, it's inevitable...

Keep allowing the government to strip you of you liberties and freedom.. before long you all might actually realize just how stupid you have been because you believed everything they say on tv...

Hint: "Al Qaeda" is nothing more than a work of fiction meant to do one thing, instill fear. And because the bulk of Americans are complete idiots... it's working like a fucking charm.

Edit: You have a higher chance of surviving a heart attack on a plane only to have it crash and kill you anyway than you do to actually be on a plane hijacked by "terrorists". It's all about control, and you imbeciles fall right for it.

Ah, so the govt is behind the shoe and underwear bombers, those must have been CIA ops, that did that so the govt could cause more fear allowing them to increase security at airports because the govt wanted to flex it's controll muscle over us. Riiiiiight. I get the "fear" shit as an excuse to attack Iraq because we wanted to secure oil, or take Sadam out, or whatever, but try to blow up our own planes so we can increase airport security???

qwe · 11-25-2010, 10:53 AM

if you want to get exposed to radiation go ahead....

JFK · 11-25-2010, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

so what do you propose, no security since you think it doesn't work, costs too much and gives every one cancer?

It's going to happen sooner or later, and when the terrorists do it I hope the govt continues to find ways to try to protect us from those type of future attacks... opposed to doing nothing and letting it happen.

Seems like you dumb fucks would rather die from an attack then god fucking forbid walk though a scanner or be touched to try to ensure your own saftey. " No, we can't have increased safety measures it might cause more of our constitution rights to be taken away!!! No way, how dare the govt try to touch me or make me walk through a body scanner, they have no right!!! fuck them and big brother!!! " and then the plane goes booom and your dead! but hey big brother didn't get to push you around you showed them tough guy! So what the terrorist killed at lot of americans, at least the govt didn't infringe on those dead american's rights.

So besides bitching (like all of you are) about the current situation of security measures, why don't you tell us how you would like it to be. No security ? just a metal detector and take your chances flying??? Hope that you or someone you know is not on the plane the next time this happens?

So how many of you voted for Obama and how does it make you feel that Obama is allowing this? Do you think, for one second that even though you don't like it that it could be for your own good or *gasp* the great good?? No that can't be it, the new security measures were put in place to take away your constitution rights and protect the power elite.... yeah that's it..... lmao

the body scanner would catch that. But since you people think body scanners take away your constitutional rights I am sure if that happened the family of the dead victims would take comfort knowing that their family members died with their constitutional rights intact.

By your own admission you fly [QUOTE=will76;17726258]I fly 1-2 times a year.

So I dont think you are really qualified to comment on this, or berate the rest of us who actually fly a little more frequently

But I know , you just cant help yourself and try your best to be right, showing off your debating skills, so ramble on ...........

Amputate Your Head · 11-25-2010, 11:26 AM

will76 would take a 13" cock in his mouth if some government agent told him "it's good for you".

lol, what a tool.

fatfoo · 11-25-2010, 11:32 AM

I would undress at the airport.

Elli · 11-25-2010, 12:30 PM

If this was the 70's or 80's and we were in the middle of a spate of hijackings, then yes, I would consent to the scanners and patdowns. But we aren't. There was the shoe guy who was unsuccessful, the printer guys, which was caught by a regular scanner, and... what else? 9/11 doesn't count because that was pretty much ten years ago. Not only that, but They (whoever They are) proved their point with it. There are no more Trade Towers to take down and you certainly won't be able to get that close to the Pentagon again. So what are the scanners for exactly?

I would even say the scanners are a form of racial profiling, since Muslims and some other religions are so sticky about not allowing women to be seen undressed by ANY men other than relatives or husbands. Obviously people with that value set would have to opt for the pat-down by a same-sex agent, which could lead to more questions and a more 'hands on' treatment.

Just a thought.

tony286 · 11-25-2010, 12:46 PM

My brother flys 4x a week for work. He is a sales manager hasnt been felt up or scanned once. My mom flew to see her sistwr this week no scan,no feel up. Of course the media makes it look like everyone when its two percent.

stocktrader23 · 11-25-2010, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

My brother flys 4x a week for work. He is a sales manager hasnt been felt up or scanned once. My mom flew to see her sistwr this week no scan,no feel up. Of course the media makes it look like everyone when its two percent.

First of all, they aren't in every airport. And 2% or 100% is irrelevant.

I'm especially glad they checkout out this possible terrorist below.

Scott McD · 11-25-2010, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by czarina

YOU DONT SEE WHAT THE BIG DEAL IS WITH SCANNERS? Do you really want just anybody looking at your little boy's weewee thru one of those? Or checking out your teen daughter's tampax stuffed in her crotch? Give me a break!

It's not like they will be sitting jerking off while doing the scans.

That's like saying when you show someone your passport picture they are thinking of sticking a cock in your mouth...

stocktrader23 · 11-25-2010, 12:57 PM

Good think this old bastard had his urostomy bag busted, typically bombs are found in there.

stocktrader23 · 11-25-2010, 12:58 PM

Oh, and the power tripping assholes tried to force this woman to send her breast milk through the X RAY MACHINE which is against guidelines. Made her miss her flight, harassed her, etc.

Dcat · 11-25-2010, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

Ah, so the govt is behind the shoe and underwear bombers, those must have been CIA ops, that did that so the govt could cause more fear allowing them to increase security at airports because the govt wanted to flex it's controll muscle over us. Riiiiiight. I get the "fear" shit as an excuse to attack Iraq because we wanted to secure oil, or take Sadam out, or whatever, but try to blow up our own planes so we can increase airport security???

Damn dude, you need to get up to speed. It's has long been uncovered that the "shoe bomber" and "underwear bomber" plots were indeed CIA ops. The underwear bomber plot unraveled so fast it was almost comical to watch how it played out in the media.

THE TRUTH ABOUT FLIGHT 253 HAS BEEN REVEALED- By Kurt Haskell

Ethersync · 11-25-2010, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

fuck the TSA.

i won't fly until they get rid of the scanners and the rape sessions.

Tasty1 · 11-25-2010, 02:10 PM

More people will die from cancer by radiotion than by a blown up plane.
And the rterrorist shove it up their ashole so scanners won't detect it.
In 5 years there will be a full MRI scan to try to find explosives.

This is how to smuggle drugs, they eat it wrapped in plastic.

People think they will be saver, but it wont be saver.

Scott McD · 11-25-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Disgusting!

That actually has put me off flying....

baddog · 11-25-2010, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Oh, and the power tripping assholes tried to force this woman to send her breast milk through the X RAY MACHINE which is against guidelines. Made her miss her flight, harassed her, etc.

Your lip reading skills are nothing short of amazing.

u-Bob · 11-25-2010, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

Oh, and the power tripping assholes tried to force this woman to send her breast milk through the X RAY MACHINE which is against guidelines. Made her miss her flight, harassed her, etc.

I've said it before: they're scum, plain and simple.
Incompetent minimum wage drones abusing innocent citizens and doing nothing whatsoever to keep us safe.

stocktrader23 · 11-25-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Your lip reading skills are nothing short of amazing.

The woman posted the video herself as seen here.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Pc_66...eature=related

If she's lying I'll default back to the other 50 instances of bullshit to form my opinion.

will76 · 11-25-2010, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

My brother flys 4x a week for work. He is a sales manager hasnt been felt up or scanned once. My mom flew to see her sistwr this week no scan,no feel up. Of course the media makes it look like everyone when its two percent.

great, so they aren't even using the shit.... wonderful. I feel so safe now

I know the odds are slim that something would happen to the flight I am on. but it does and can happen, and it would suck to happen to me or someone i know. I'd opt for playing it as safe as possible. Especially the scanners. big deal you walk through it and don't take off your clothes, you don't touch anything. Who cares. Wait another 50 years when you can buy glasses that allow you to see what the scanners see. I bet 95% of the people here bitching about the TSA workers seeing the screen of the scanners would go buy a pair of glasses.

So some $10 an hour worker, gets to look at 10000s of images like this a day. Oh noes.... god forbid someone gets to see a distorted x-ray type image. Its not like its a full color HD nude image of you as if the person was buck naked for a porn photo shoot.

Like I said i'd opt to walk through that and let someone see the above of me, but more importantly to see the above of everyone else on the plane so I can rest asure that there is no shit on it that isn't suppose to be there. Not to mention the deterrent this causes... that is if they actually start using it 100%.

stocktrader23 · 11-25-2010, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

great, so they aren't even using the shit.... wonderful. I feel so safe now

I know the odds are slim that something would happen to the flight I am on. but it does and can happen, and it would suck to happen to me or someone i know. I'd opt for playing it as safe as possible. Especially the scanners. big deal you walk through it and don't take off your clothes, you don't touch anything. Who cares. Wait another 50 years when you can buy glasses that allow you to see what the scanners see. I bet 95% of the people here bitching about the TSA workers seeing the screen of the scanners would go buy a pair of glasses.

So some $10 an hour worker, gets to look at 10000s of images like this a day. Oh noes.... god forbid someone gets to see a distorted x-ray type image. Its not like its a full color HD nude image of you as if the person was buck naked for a porn photo shoot.

Like I said i'd opt to walk through that and let someone see the above of me, but more importantly to see the above of everyone else on the plane so I can rest asure that there is no shit on it that isn't suppose to be there. Not to mention the deterrent this causes... that is if they actually start using it 100%.

Will, it is security theater and nothing more. You aren't any safer with the scanners or even TSA for that matter.

will76 · 11-25-2010, 07:37 PM

Here is a question for those of you who love Obama. How do you digest this? You know Obama ok'ed this.... Do you think Obama is trying to be "big brother" and he is trying to take your rights away? Or do you think Obama is doing this to protect the "power elite" lol. Or do you think Obama is doing this because he has a lot more information than all of us here put together and he decided it was the best course of action to protect us?

What do you think ?

Can't wait to see how you hard core dumb ass left wingers separate out Obama from this, because your precious Obama couldn't do such bad things to people's rights...

Funny how Bush didn't implement these changes but Obama did. Man, if this happened while Bush was in office you people would be screaming at Bush. it happens under Obama and you people don't mention one bad thing about him.... how does it feel to not only be stupid but hypocrites ?

stocktrader23 · 11-25-2010, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

Here is a question for those of you who love Obama. How do you digest this? You know Obama ok'ed this.... Do you think Obama is trying to be "big brother" and he is trying to take your rights away? Or do you think Obama is doing this to protect the "power elite" lol. Or do you think Obama is doing this because he has a lot more information than all of us here put together and he decided it was the best course of action to protect us?

What do you think ?

Can't wait to see how you hard core dumb ass left wingers separate out Obama from this, because your precious Obama couldn't do such bad things to people's rights...

Funny how Bush didn't implement these changes but Obama did. Man, if this happened while Bush was in office you people would be screaming at Bush. it happens under Obama and you people don't mention one bad thing about him.... how does it feel to not only be stupid but hypocrites ?

A lot of stupid assumptions in this post. I would vote for Obama again but think his stance on this issue is fucking retarded.

Is that hard to comprehend?

baddog · 11-25-2010, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

You realize that has zip to do with the scanners, right?

stocktrader23 · 11-25-2010, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You realize that has zip to do with the scanners, right?

Yes, the comment was referencing the overall failure that is the TSA.

Dcat · 11-25-2010, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

Here is a question for those of you who love Obama. How do you digest this? You know Obama ok'ed this.... Do you think Obama is trying to be "big brother" and he is trying to take your rights away? Or do you think Obama is doing this to protect the "power elite" lol. Or do you think Obama is doing this because he has a lot more information than all of us here put together and he decided it was the best course of action to protect us?

What do you think ?

Can't wait to see how you hard core dumb ass left wingers separate out Obama from this, because your precious Obama couldn't do such bad things to people's rights...

Funny how Bush didn't implement these changes but Obama did. Man, if this happened while Bush was in office you people would be screaming at Bush. it happens under Obama and you people don't mention one bad thing about him.... how does it feel to not only be stupid but hypocrites ?

Obama has continued on right where Bush left off. Both have been mercilessly hacking away at our freedoms. The thing is, these police state policies come from much higher up, so neither can be fully blamed. The elites keep us focused and fighting about "who did what" so we never think to look past their media generated smoke screens, and political puppets, to discover the true underlying power structure. Never to see WHO is REALLY screwing us over.

And yes, it seems even card carrying lefties are scratching their heads with Obama. They've been had.

will76 · 11-26-2010, 12:47 AM

this thread feels like:

1 vs 100 left wing liberal anti govt, don't touch my junk or look me on a scanner, the govt is trying to get us all, democrat nut jobs. it's a conspiracy the man is trying to keep us down!!

you guys are making obama cry.

stocktrader23 · 11-26-2010, 12:50 AM

It's amazing what irrational fear can do to people.

It's also amazing that anyone in the porn business would talk shit about liberals.

bhutocracy · 11-26-2010, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Bennett

Perhaps, but that's not conclusively shown, and much of the technical details of the scanners have not been publicly revealed. The dosage numbers the TSA and others are touting are whole body exposure. More specifically, what is the effect of much of the radiation exposure being concentrated into one's skin - that's still unknown.

With all that said, the scanners, when operating correctly by a highly trained operator, are likely safe. However, what if the scanner malfunctions and/or is operated by an operator who isn't fully aware of the limitations / safety issues of the machine.

In short, in regards to safety, much of the concern with the scanners is the radiation exposure in the event of a malfunction / operator error.

Read up on the Therac-25 saga ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25

The key points of the Therac-25 saga are that malfunctions can and do happen, especially in machines predominantly controlled by software, and operator training is an important variable - TSA agents aren't trained medical professionals ... in the view of many, that alone is worrisome in regards to the scanners.

Ron

Ok, Lets ignore the fact it's COMPLETELY different technology and we're in an alternative universe where it's the same thing and we pretend we haven't improved safety standards on cars, planes, medical devices etc in 30 years.. Let's pretend what happened happens again and someone got 100 times the dose of radiation from the scan they were supposed to.

That's horrible right? HORRIBLE! OMG kill the gubmint!.. It's going to be a national scandal when the error is found out.. Newspapers will run headlines of "Don't fry my junk", lawlsuits will be proposed, right wing talk radio is going to go nuts... The guy that got the 100x dose keeps on walking and then gets in an aluminium tube, climbs out of our protective atmosphere and EXPOSES HIMSELF TO COSMIC RADIATION EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN THAT DOSE VOLUNTARILY.

You're worried about a freak accident, the scandal of which will reverberate through the decades when stepping onto the plane is giving you the EXACT SAME LEVELS of radiation of this freak accident. It's like someone complaining about a beer and how unhealthy it is and then drinking ONE HUNDRED beers because they've fruit juice labels on them.

Anyways, if you're afraid of the equivalent radiation to an hour of just walking around in a park just being alive there is an easy solution, get rid of the backscatter ones and keep the millimetre wave ones. Of course no one will understand the difference and still complain about the 'radation.

I'm in no way agreeing that these measures are a good thing, I just can't believe the people complaining about the supposed radiation BEFORE doing pretty much the most irradiating thing you can do outside of a full body x-ray - get on a plane (oh, and during a solar flare when up to 100 times more cosmic radiation is hitting us....forgeddaboudit).

I'd rather walk through a mm wave scanner than have to take my frigging shoes off.

mountequinox · 11-26-2010, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

Here is a question for those of you who love Obama. How do you digest this? You know Obama ok'ed this.... Do you think Obama is trying to be "big brother" and he is trying to take your rights away? Or do you think Obama is doing this to protect the "power elite" lol. Or do you think Obama is doing this because he has a lot more information than all of us here put together and he decided it was the best course of action to protect us?

My personal belief is "Obama is doing this because he has a lot more information than all of us".

Based on your statements I'm guessing you think that isn't the reason and his only reason is to be big brother, take our rights away and/or protect the power elite?

If you are correct then the only rights I can see that I have given up due to the new TSA requirements are that if I wish to fly I may be scanned or felt up.

Not saying I'm totally comfortable with any of it but if that helps assure the flight will be safer and I won't be a passenger on a plane as those during 9/11 I'm more than happy to give up those rights. If not I have the option to drive, take a train or boat.

As for big brother? Not much I can say.. What information is he collecting? A blurry body scan? Most doctors have better detailed records of their patients that I'm sure the government already has access to.

Criticism is good! But provide information as to what you think should be done instead of just criticizing. If you have no alternative suggestions for your hypothesis then is there really any point in complaining?

stocktrader23 · 11-26-2010, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mountequinox

My personal belief is "Obama is doing this because he has a lot more information than all of us".

Based on your statements I'm guessing you think that isn't the reason and his only reason is to be big brother, take our rights away and/or protect the power elite?

If you are correct then the only rights I can see that I have given up due to the new TSA requirements are that if I wish to fly I may be scanned or felt up.

Not saying I'm totally comfortable with any of it but if that helps assure the flight will be safer and I won't be a passenger on a plane as those during 9/11 I'm more than happy to give up those rights. If not I have the option to drive, take a train or boat.

As for big brother? Not much I can say.. What information is he collecting? A blurry body scan? Most doctors have better detailed records of their patients that I'm sure the government already has access to.

Criticism is good! But provide information as to what you think should be done instead of just criticizing. If you have no alternative suggestions for your hypothesis then is there really any point in complaining?

It's probably more to do with the fact that should anything else happen at all related to terrorists / planes Obama will be blamed. At least he can say he did something if he lets it go through, can you imagine the right wing nuts screaming if someone blew up a plane and he was against scanners? It wouldn't matter at ALL whether or not the scanner would have stopped it.

11-25-2010, 03:00 AM	#52
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11-25-2010, 07:14 AM	#61
cjhmdm Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 472	As long as the government can continue to instill fear in it's dumb ass people, the "terrorists" will always win. America will be like China, or dare I say North Korea, before long... with all the complete morons that make up that country now, it's inevitable... Keep allowing the government to strip you of you liberties and freedom.. before long you all might actually realize just how stupid you have been because you believed everything they say on tv... Hint: "Al Qaeda" is nothing more than a work of fiction meant to do one thing, instill fear. And because the bulk of Americans are complete idiots... it's working like a fucking charm. Edit: You have a higher chance of surviving a heart attack on a plane only to have it crash and kill you anyway than you do to actually be on a plane hijacked by "terrorists". It's all about control, and you imbeciles fall right for it. Last edited by cjhmdm; 11-25-2010 at 07:18 AM..

11-25-2010, 07:20 AM	#62
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11-25-2010, 04:44 AM	#53
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11-25-2010, 05:08 AM	#56
BaldBastard Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sydney Posts: 16,164	Just wait til some one brings down a plane by putting a bomb up their ass. Then you will be looking back on the pat down as the "Good Ol Days"

11-25-2010, 05:11 AM	#57
czarina Webmaster Extraordinaire Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: A beautiful beach... Posts: 10,748	YOU DONT SEE WHAT THE BIG DEAL IS WITH SCANNERS? Do you really want just anybody looking at your little boy's weewee thru one of those? Or checking out your teen daughter's tampax stuffed in her crotch? Give me a break!

11-25-2010, 06:59 AM	#59
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	only perverts see a simple pat down as something sexual. some people's minds have become warped for too much exposure to porn it seems.

11-25-2010, 10:53 AM	#72
qwe Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,109	if you want to get exposed to radiation go ahead....

11-25-2010, 12:30 PM	#76
Elli Reach for those stars! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 17,991	If this was the 70's or 80's and we were in the middle of a spate of hijackings, then yes, I would consent to the scanners and patdowns. But we aren't. There was the shoe guy who was unsuccessful, the printer guys, which was caught by a regular scanner, and... what else? 9/11 doesn't count because that was pretty much ten years ago. Not only that, but They (whoever They are) proved their point with it. There are no more Trade Towers to take down and you certainly won't be able to get that close to the Pentagon again. So what are the scanners for exactly? I would even say the scanners are a form of racial profiling, since Muslims and some other religions are so sticky about not allowing women to be seen undressed by ANY men other than relatives or husbands. Obviously people with that value set would have to opt for the pat-down by a same-sex agent, which could lead to more questions and a more 'hands on' treatment. Just a thought. __________________ email: [email protected]

11-25-2010, 12:46 PM	#77
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	My brother flys 4x a week for work. He is a sales manager hasnt been felt up or scanned once. My mom flew to see her sistwr this week no scan,no feel up. Of course the media makes it look like everyone when its two percent.

11-25-2010, 12:57 PM	#80
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11-25-2010, 12:58 PM	#81
stocktrader23 Let's do some business. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The dirty south. Posts: 18,781	Oh, and the power tripping assholes tried to force this woman to send her breast milk through the X RAY MACHINE which is against guidelines. Made her miss her flight, harassed her, etc. __________________ Hands Free Adult - Join Once, Earn For Life "I try to make a habit of bouncing my eyes up to the face of a beautiful woman, and often repeat “not mine” in my head or even verbally. She’s not mine. God has her set aside. She’s not mine. She’s His little girl, and she needs me to fight for her by keeping my eyes where they should be."

11-25-2010, 02:10 PM	#84
Tasty1 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: South-America Posts: 9,504	More people will die from cancer by radiotion than by a blown up plane. And the rterrorist shove it up their ashole so scanners won't detect it. In 5 years there will be a full MRI scan to try to find explosives. This is how to smuggle drugs, they eat it wrapped in plastic. People think they will be saver, but it wont be saver. Last edited by Tasty1; 11-25-2010 at 02:13 PM..

11-25-2010, 07:37 PM	#91
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	Here is a question for those of you who love Obama. How do you digest this? You know Obama ok'ed this.... Do you think Obama is trying to be "big brother" and he is trying to take your rights away? Or do you think Obama is doing this to protect the "power elite" lol. Or do you think Obama is doing this because he has a lot more information than all of us here put together and he decided it was the best course of action to protect us? What do you think ? Can't wait to see how you hard core dumb ass left wingers separate out Obama from this, because your precious Obama couldn't do such bad things to people's rights... Funny how Bush didn't implement these changes but Obama did. Man, if this happened while Bush was in office you people would be screaming at Bush. it happens under Obama and you people don't mention one bad thing about him.... how does it feel to not only be stupid but hypocrites ? __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue

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11-26-2010, 12:50 AM	#97
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