UntouchedMarkets - pr0 - Refund My Money NOW

[lazycash]

owned is a huge internet meme. could be killer with the right manager / owner.

He knows that and many have told him of the potential, there's so many great ideas you could develop with that domain, too bad for some reason he's never been able to get anything done with it. I do remember some of his threads where he half heartedly tried to sell it for some outrageous amount.

[pocketkangaroo]

That's an attack, without proof being posted to go with it or followed up with it.

If by protection you mean how our legal system currently works in the U.S. and Canada and many Countries... then yes, anyone can use this - just most people don't need it. It's a registered name you publish for a set amount of time, and a couple other minor fees to pay.

Bit easier in some countries than others.. but either way, it's about as complicated as, getting out of your chair.

Regardless of the law, $2000 is nothing worth even contacting a lawyer over. It'll cost more to just have them review it and draft something up. It's something for small claims court at best.

And even if it was defamation, do you really think Nysus has a ton of money sitting in accounts? That's not a knock on him, it's just you don't sue someone with no money for defamation unless it's some high profile media situation. It'll cost much more to do so than he'd ever get with winning. And defamation cases are extremely hard to win for a number of reasons. You typically have to show malicious intent and in my opinion, Nysus truly believes he has been ripped off.

[Bobbiekey]

very sexy party here

[JadaY]

I just think that it's bullshit that someone got called out and then had someone else banned because his given name is posted.

The funniest thing is that the dumb motherfucker edited the name out, but left the link with that same name and all http://www.nysus.com/untouchedmarkets-pr0/

[Nysus]

Thank you Eric for unbanning me. You've always been reasonable and fair over the years.

I'll post my next reply later tonight that will respond to all of the latest posts I find any validity to. It might end up only being posted in the morning but I'll try. It'll include an apology for posting personal details.

[Domain Broker]

Thank you Eric for unbanning me. You've always been reasonable and fair over the years.

[J. Falcon]

A real lawyer would advice you to keep your mouth shut

[candyflip]

Thank you Eric for unbanning me. You've always been reasonable and fair over the years.

I'll post my next reply later tonight that will respond to all of the latest posts I find any validity to. It might end up only being posted in the morning but I'll try. It'll include an apology for posting personal details.

Looks like common sense has prevailed for a change. I still see no reason for your banning.

[Robocrop]

Looks like common sense has prevailed for a change. I still see no reason for your banning.

I agree on that also.

[BAKO]

i say pr0 is full of shit his defense is setting off my bs meter. mr seo expert and his threads about getting chicks when hes ugly as sin... lol

bro down biatch

[JFK]

I agree on that also.

as do I

[neonlights]

You know the amount, you know my wire information.

I like how the OP added "wire" in a fail effort to sound like this was big transaction between professionals.

[brassmonkey]

time to make the doughnuts

[Nicky]

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948460

[TheDoc]

Regardless of the law, $2000 is nothing worth even contacting a lawyer over. It'll cost more to just have them review it and draft something up. It's something for small claims court at best.

And even if it was defamation, do you really think Nysus has a ton of money sitting in accounts? That's not a knock on him, it's just you don't sue someone with no money for defamation unless it's some high profile media situation. It'll cost much more to do so than he'd ever get with winning. And defamation cases are extremely hard to win for a number of reasons. You typically have to show malicious intent and in my opinion, Nysus truly believes he has been ripped off.

People use lawyers too much.. it costs prob $20 and takes 15 mins to file the papers for something like this. Violation of NDA doesn't need a lawyer, it just needs a judge to enforce it..

[Bobbiekey]

[Tjeezers]

Wish you both good luck in resolving this

[chupachups]

For the record and without taking sides;

Nysus = I have dealt with him a few times, no problems whatsoever and a friendly guy. Whether he is still in adult I dont know, but he certainly was a year ago when we spoke about him starting his big niche specific network.

Pr0 = Big long time webmaster, always seemed like a good guy and friendly whenever we spoke. Afaik he hasnt been involved in any drama at all during the 8 years he has been a member of gfy.

Eric = I am glad you unbanned Nysus, afterall Pr0s real name has been mentioned here many times before, and I believe it can also be found in the whois data of several domains. I support the opinion that names should not be mentioned here, nevertheless I think Pr0 has anything to lose from it.

Well good luck guys, I hope you solve this!

[baddog]

i have done plenty of biz with pr0 without any issues.

That means squat.

No, I do not Roald (whoever you are)

I presume that was a joke. It needs work.

[V_RocKs]

Everyone knows he changed it from Humperfinkle a long time ago. Common knowledge right?

[fatfoo]

It sucks when they don't refund money.

[SomeCreep]

Some people watch "The Real World" and "Jersey Shore" for drama. I prefer GFY

[Nysus]

First, as requested by Eric - I apologize for posting personal information. I don't condone banning of people for posting a person's name though.

Second, I have more to post, much more to post - but I felt I needed to clear up the lies / half-truths that pr0 was posting about what happened.

History via Email Correspondance

The non-bullshit version. If you want to read the bullshit version, refer to pr0's posts. Otherwise read below:

11/5/09 - Employee contacts me, introduces himself
11/6/09 - I reply with some additional login details that were missing from my original file I sent pr0
11/13/09 - Employee tells me everything is laid out and ready to go - doing installs that weekend
11/16/09 - Employee says he's uploading and installing at the moment
11/20/09 - Everything has been friendly up until this point.
- I send an email to Employee:

"Been over two weeks now but haven't seen anything yet?"

I was giving benefit of the doubt that things were just about to be setup and all pre-setup stuff had actually been done (as the employee had told me over these 2 weeks), and that sites will start to actually be setup soon (as the employee told me).

11/26/09 - 6 days later: Employee supposedly sent 2 emails that I didn't receive. Said he had an update for me later that day (never got one).

This is 21 days later, and no work is online yet -- Deadline is in 9 days. Should I be a bit worried / concerned?

What turned my benefit of a doubt into realizing the progress was lies? What gave it away - he had just contacting me to deal with support / hosting issues 21 days into the project, that he supposedly dealt with in the 1st week of the project.

I think anyone in this situation would start getting irritated with all of the "I'm doing things," but just excuses so far, and nothing done.

I was also pissed off that the month's worth of work I assumed / expected I would be getting could only possibly be 9 or 10 days worth of work with the deadline coming.

21 days / 3 weeks into the project - and I call the employee on the excuses (via email), and forward a copy to pr0 so he's aware of it. This is 9 days before the 1 month deadline.

11/27/09 - Untouched Market / pr0 / William replies to me and says:

- If he finds out employee is making excuses he'll be fired, and replaced

- This is when he told me to forget about final payment (which was his profits [probably additional profits] - that he has been stating he never was trying to get, since of course he has been telling everyone he was so kindly doing this a favour [to get in on Owned.com].

- He told you all that I weaselled my way out of paying less, when in fact he stated himself I no longer had to pay it. This final payment also wasn't in the contract because I didn't overly trust him / or other contractors because of being fucked over so much (including with Owned.com which is why it's taking so long to get something good on it), and so he kept it out of the contract and said that if he fucked me then I wouldn't have to pay / wouldn't have to worry - and to me that was a good incentive for him to do a good job … so I felt more comfortable to send him money. And he was fine with this because he trusted me to pay him the remainder once work was completed.

- He reassures me that the employee or replacement will finish the job, and says other things to make me feel relaxed and good about things

- He tells me there will be no more excuses, no more delays, only progress. He apologizes that I ever had to write the email, and thanked me for CC'ing it to him.

11/28/09 - 4 weeks in -- First blogs get installed via hosting support request. They get auto-populated with RSS feed.

Sometime inbetween here I talk to him in messenger - he concludes the conversation / my concerns by telling me to have some more patience.

12/3/09 - 5 days before deadline. I send an email to pr0 / William reminding him that I have SEO hosting costs and a plan I need to stick to (that he knew about prior) in order for me to have money for my other project plans to move ahead. I tell him I am concerned, that there is need for concern based on lack of progress so far. And that he has had my money for almost a month with nothing done. I mention that support issues should have been all dealt within 5 days, not after 25 days. I end the email with "25 days is a lot of patience."

12/8/09 - This is the deadline date. Employee emails me. Basic Wordpress installs done on some more domains. Some with auto-populated content from RSS feeds; Wordpress installs done by hosting companies. Over half of the domains are still just domains. The rest of everything had very little time put into it.

What has been setup so far is basically nothing as to what was promised or expected or was discussed for what would be done - so please don't say "well he did work" - it's not even a small fraction of the work that was supposed to be done, and most of it was done by hosting company installs via quick support requests.

12/12/09 - 4 days past deadline. Still hearing excuses from employee. I email him saying I don't want to hear more excuses or reasons of things not being done. I describe the situation, and I state that this not being done fucks up my plans (that deadline pr0 knew was very important to meet, and that this shit was the exact stuff I was tired of dealing with; I shouldn't of having to be micro-managing pr0's employee either). I also state I don't trust what the employee is saying.

At this point I'm pissed off and irritated because I was lead on by the employee, and now pr0 for over a month, and .

Email conversation ends.

On to the message logs:

01/05/10 - NOTE: Project is 1 month overdue at this date.

Some point in-between this he sends a support request to have host setup Wordpress installs. He doesn't send them the proper information (he believed he did: but when I followed up, which he should of done instead of getting angry, he in fact didn't send them the proper information).

01/11/10 - I mentioned seeing this support request to him. He just blames the hosting company for being incompetent. He doesn't follow up with them, doesn't reply to the support request. I realize he's not taking this serious, and it's already been 2 months (1 month overdue) and basically no real work has been done, and to expect anything to get done any time soon by him, or properly done was wishful thinking.

In his replies he continues to insult me, calls me a nutjob, etc.. I send him a text message afterwards (because he went offline immediately after) that I'm contemplating asking for a full refund again (which he had already said he'd give me + that he'd to compensate me for the hosting costs, and for fucking over my other plans he knew about).

01/12/10 - He sends me message saying I weaselled my way into paying less (read above: not true, he offered that as part compensation). Says a lot of things to try to make me worry, including insults.. nutjob, mental instability, broke the contract, and that he'll see me in court… etc..

Getting $2,000 is worth my time and effort into putting time into stating my side / the non-bullshit version. I should sue him for defamation as well, and other costs.

Basically now I'm going to have expenses of another 2-3 or 4 months of hosting so I can get the domains setup as proper sites, and let them mature and earning revenue before I can sell.


I'm heading out to a club now… Check back for more tomorrow though.. I have a lot more to say. Including seeing what pr0 will say, or not say regarding this:

- Someone contacted me and asked me to post anonymously for them. They paid $5,000 to pr0 (William / Untouched Markets) 1 year ago, and no work has been done yet. They want to see what pr0 has to say about that.

I can't confirm it - but pr0 can deny this if it's not true - I'm fairly sure the person will post though then if he does deny it.

Matt

P.S. The dates should be mostly correct. If I mistyped them it's because it's 1:11 AM and it's a lot to sort through. I'll go over them to confirm them tomorrow though. And I'll be posting responses to what other people have said.

P.S.S. Thanks for everyone's support.

[Iron Fist]

Someone make the coles notes version (cliffnotes) please.... thanks.

[will76]

Nysus is a well known nutjob, who's not even in adult. He's also "leaving adult"....which he was never in adult in the first place.

ALL FALSE.....Pay no attention to the nut job behind the curtain.

It's too bad I found out about your mental status from everyone in the biz, only after I offered to help you out.

This was done as a favor for Nysus, who i have been a personal friend of, for over a year, offering him free hosting on my webair box with 250+ ip's, for almost a year now, giving him free consulting etc.

I did this project as a favor to him.

Interesting.... so everyone knew he was a nut job, except for you. Which you were friends with him for over 1 year (apparently good friends) thought he was ok enough to give him free hosting, but not all of a sudden things turn bad with you two (after a year) and now you sudden see how he is a nut job?

I don't know either of you but that part really doesn't fit together.

[PXN]

LOL, how funny. It seems like they have trouble installing WP and that's what cause all the delay. WP is probabbly the easiest script to install.

[tehHinjew]

so pr0 fucked over another gfy'er for 5k? wow dude

[tehHinjew]

thats fucking weak, thought you were a good guy

[candyflip]

Sounds like pr0's "operation" is one big clusterfuck. Anyone doing business with him or Untouched Markets is just begging to get fucked over.

People will chime in with the "pr0's a good guy bullshit", but we've heard that all before.

And on top of that, not only did he fuck Nysus for $2k, he's fucked over another GFYers for $5k plus?

That sounds like a good guy to you? Sound like a low-life scammer to me.

[candyflip]

Interesting.... so everyone knew he was a nut job, except for you. Which you were friends with him for over 1 year (apparently good friends) thought he was ok enough to give him free hosting, but not all of a sudden things turn bad with you two (after a year) and now you sudden see how he is a nut job?

I don't know either of you but that part really doesn't fit together.

He's grasping at straws. He got busted trying to take advantage of someone and it backfired.

pr0 is a thief...plain and simple.

[Babaganoosh]

pr0 is a thief...plain and simple.

Oh snap!

Candyrip is calling pr0 a thief. I hope that puts things into perspective for you morons who think pr0 is a good guy.

[candyflip]

Oh snap!

Candyrip is calling pr0 a thief. I hope that puts things into perspective for you morons who think pr0 is a good guy.

Dude, I put up with the name calling (from people including pr0) and the shit for years over a few duped gallery templates. No cash. No large amount...just some reproduced templates.

If anyone thinks I'm going to stand quietly while someone here rips off a friend for a large sum of money, you're crazy.

[Babaganoosh]

Dude, I put up with the name calling (from people including pr0) and the shit for years over a few duped gallery templates. No cash. No large amount...just some reproduced templates.

If anyone thinks I'm going to stand quietly while someone here rips off a friend for a large sum of money, you're crazy.

No, you're completely right. People need to know not to deal with this little thief. I'm in awe that he's somehow trying to justify KEEPING the money that he or his "employee" didn't work for. That is theft, plain and simple.

To top it all off he is arrogant about stealing money. Really, what a piece of shit. He trashed his rep over $2k. I hope it was worth it.

[Babaganoosh]

Oh, and for the record I am not friends with Nysus. I've never spoken to him that I can remember. To me he's just the "millionth post" guy from back in the day.

[baddog]

Oh, and for the record I am not friends with Nysus. I've never spoken to him that I can remember. To me he's just the "millionth post" guy from back in the day.

I thought that was headless. Or was he the 2nd mill?

[StaceyJo]

Oh man that suks.

[chupachups]

I thought that was headless. Or was he the 2nd mill?

Headless was the 2millionth Twinkie eating competition

[Nysus]

I thought that was headless. Or was he the 2nd mill?

Nope. It was me. It wasn't very fruitful. Most of the prize-givers didn't actually give the prizes. Wasn't really worth posting about though (I don't think I did anyway, I don't remember bringing it up).

[chupachups]

nysus - check your email subli.....(at)

[Babaganoosh]

I thought that was headless. Or was he the 2nd mill?

I could have sworn it was Nysus. Anyone?

[JadaY]

pay up, motherfucker!

[candyflip]

I could have sworn it was Nysus. Anyone?

Yeah...it was him, he responded above. It wasn't all that it was cracked up to be.

Matt drop me an email - http://scr.im/candyflip

[Nysus]

I decided to copy / paste responses of people from the other threads (I posted the same response into) who read my full post. This thread I will keep updating with all relevant responses: http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16753423


From http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948460 -

I would say this rather a very good example of a proper "outsourcing clusterfuck". If you dont have 101% control over things this happens all the time. And yeah, pay according to performance/whats achieved and not upfront.

I cant say I blame nysus for being upset after 14 days nothing had been done. IMO 2k for a months work is absolute full time wage for a "contractor". Meaning that this contractor should be on NO other jobs then nysus project. So in whats supposed to be 80 hours of full time work from this contractor, all that had been accomplished is having the host setup wordpress installs? Maybed a few rss feeds thrown in?

I think I can see how Nysus would be getting PISSED! Doesnt take mental problems to see that. Yes Pr0, I have multiple businesses and multiple employees, I know whats up and how hard it can be. Its your responsibility to keep on top of your workers and make sure things are getting done. What your employees do and act is a direct reflection on yourself Mr. Pr0

Something is fishy here and I hope these two guys can get to the bottom of it.

pay up, motherfucker!

...
- Someone contacted me and asked me to post anonymously for them. They paid $5,000 to pr0 (William / Untouched Markets) 1 year ago, and no work has been done yet. They want to see what pr0 has to say about that.

I can't confirm it - but pr0 can deny this if it's not true - I'm fairly sure the person will post though then if he does deny it. ...

- I forgot to mention that the person who paid pr0 the $5,000 wanted me and has had no work done yet to say that they had already posted in the first thread I started (http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16753251)

[chupachups]

Nysus - mail cchups [aaaaaaaaaaaa] gmail.com

[psili]

http://www.cracked.com/funny-3809-in...nt-techniques/

[Nysus]

...

Matt drop me an email - http://scr.im/candyflip

Done.

Nysus - mail cchups [aaaaaaaaaaaa] gmail.com

Done. I think your 'a' key got stuck too.

[Nysus]

Deleted..

[Nysus]

http://www.cracked.com/funny-3809-in...nt-techniques/

FTA:
"How to Combat These Techniques

The important thing to remember is that you are dealing with a person who has essentially placed a twig on their head and expects you to believe they are a tree. ..."

That brought my mood up a lot. Thanks for posting it.

Oddly enough, I responded to pr0's post exactly how an advice article from Cracked.com says ...

[dav3]

[Nysus]

I was hoping I'd have an email from pr0 this morning with:

- "I'm sorry saying all those lies and bullshit about you, and defaming you"
- "I'll refund / wire back to you the $2,000 immediately for not doing your work. "
- "I'll talk to the guy that paid me $5,000 a year ago and didn't do any of his work yet, and work out a deal with him"