Re: Recent bullshit drama. - explained in detail (pr0 / Untouched Markets)

[Nysus]

I have more to post, much more to post - but I felt I needed to clear up the lies / half-truths that pr0 was posting about what happened.

For those who don't know, this is relating to...
First thread I started: http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money.html
And pr0's thread response: http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948460-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail.html

Here's my version responding to pr0's thread:

History via Email Correspondance

The non-bullshit version. If you want to read the bullshit version, refer to pr0's posts. Otherwise read below:

11/5/09 - Employee contacts me, introduces himself
11/6/09 - I reply with some additional login details that were missing from my original file I sent pr0
11/13/09 - Employee tells me everything is laid out and ready to go - doing installs that weekend
11/16/09 - Employee says he's uploading and installing at the moment
11/20/09 - Everything has been friendly up until this point.
- I send an email to Employee:

"Been over two weeks now but haven't seen anything yet?"

I was giving benefit of the doubt that things were just about to be setup and all pre-setup stuff had actually been done (as the employee had told me over these 2 weeks), and that sites will start to actually be setup soon (as the employee told me).

11/26/09 - 6 days later: Employee supposedly sent 2 emails that I didn't receive. Said he had an update for me later that day (never got one).

This is 21 days later, and no work is online yet -- Deadline is in 9 days. Should I be a bit worried / concerned?

What turned my benefit of a doubt into realizing the progress was lies? What gave it away - he had just contacting me to deal with support / hosting issues 21 days into the project, that he supposedly dealt with in the 1st week of the project.

I think anyone in this situation would start getting irritated with all of the "I'm doing things," but just excuses so far, and nothing done.

I was also pissed off that the month's worth of work I assumed / expected I would be getting could only possibly be 9 or 10 days worth of work with the deadline coming.

21 days / 3 weeks into the project - and I call the employee on the excuses (via email), and forward a copy to pr0 so he's aware of it. This is 9 days before the 1 month deadline.

11/27/09 - Untouched Market / pr0 / William replies to me and says:

- If he finds out employee is making excuses he'll be fired, and replaced

- This is when he told me to forget about final payment (which was his profits [probably additional profits] - that he has been stating he never was trying to get, since of course he has been telling everyone he was so kindly doing this a favour [to get in on Owned.com].

- He told you all that I weaselled my way out of paying less, when in fact he stated himself I no longer had to pay it. This final payment also wasn't in the contract because I didn't overly trust him / or other contractors because of being fucked over so much (including with Owned.com which is why it's taking so long to get something good on it), and so he kept it out of the contract and said that if he fucked me then I wouldn't have to pay / wouldn't have to worry - and to me that was a good incentive for him to do a good job ? so I felt more comfortable to send him money. And he was fine with this because he trusted me to pay him the remainder once work was completed.

- He reassures me that the employee or replacement will finish the job, and says other things to make me feel relaxed and good about things

- He tells me there will be no more excuses, no more delays, only progress. He apologizes that I ever had to write the email, and thanked me for CC'ing it to him.

11/28/09 - 4 weeks in -- First blogs get installed via hosting support request. They get auto-populated with RSS feed.

Sometime inbetween here I talk to him in messenger - he concludes the conversation / my concerns by telling me to have some more patience.

12/3/09 - 5 days before deadline. I send an email to pr0 / William reminding him that I have SEO hosting costs and a plan I need to stick to (that he knew about prior) in order for me to have money for my other project plans to move ahead. I tell him I am concerned, that there is need for concern based on lack of progress so far. And that he has had my money for almost a month with nothing done. I mention that support issues should have been all dealt within 5 days, not after 25 days. I end the email with "25 days is a lot of patience."

12/8/09 - This is the deadline date. Employee emails me. Basic Wordpress installs done on some more domains. Some with auto-populated content from RSS feeds; Wordpress installs done by hosting companies. Over half of the domains are still just domains. The rest of everything had very little time put into it.

What has been setup so far is basically nothing as to what was promised or expected or was discussed for what would be done - so please don't say "well he did work" - it's not even a small fraction of the work that was supposed to be done, and most of it was done by hosting company installs via quick support requests.

12/12/09 - 4 days past deadline. Still hearing excuses from employee. I email him saying I don't want to hear more excuses or reasons of things not being done. I describe the situation, and I state that this not being done fucks up my plans (that deadline pr0 knew was very important to meet, and that this shit was the exact stuff I was tired of dealing with; I shouldn't of having to be micro-managing pr0's employee either). I also state I don't trust what the employee is saying.

At this point I'm pissed off and irritated because I was lead on by the employee, and now pr0 for over a month, and .

Email conversation ends.

On to the message logs:

01/05/10 - NOTE: Project is 1 month overdue at this date.

Some point in-between this he sends a support request to have host setup Wordpress installs. He doesn't send them the proper information (he believed he did: but when I followed up, which he should of done instead of getting angry, he in fact didn't send them the proper information).

01/11/10 - I mentioned seeing this support request to him. He just blames the hosting company for being incompetent. He doesn't follow up with them, doesn't reply to the support request. I realize he's not taking this serious, and it's already been 2 months (1 month overdue) and basically no real work has been done, and to expect anything to get done any time soon by him, or properly done was wishful thinking.

In his replies he continues to insult me, calls me a nutjob, etc.. I send him a text message afterwards (because he went offline immediately after) that I'm contemplating asking for a full refund again (which he had already said he'd give me + that he'd to compensate me for the hosting costs, and for fucking over my other plans he knew about).

01/12/10 - He sends me message saying I weaselled my way into paying less (read above: not true, he offered that as part compensation). Says a lot of things to try to make me worry, including insults.. nutjob, mental instability, broke the contract, and that he'll see me in court? etc..

Getting $2,000 is worth my time and effort into putting time into stating my side / the non-bullshit version. I should sue him for defamation as well, and other costs.

Basically now I'm going to have expenses of another 2-3 or 4 months of hosting so I can get the domains setup as proper sites, and let them mature and earning revenue before I can sell.


I'm heading out to a club now? Check back for more tomorrow though.. I have a lot more to say. Including seeing what pr0 will say, or not say regarding this:

- Someone contacted me and asked me to post anonymously for them. They paid $5,000 to pr0 (William / Untouched Markets) 1 year ago, and no work has been done yet. They want to see what pr0 has to say about that.

I can't confirm it - but pr0 can deny this if it's not true - I'm fairly sure the person will post though then if he does deny it.

Matt

P.S. The dates should be mostly correct. If I mistyped them it's because it's 1:11 AM and it's a lot to sort through. I'll go over them to confirm them tomorrow though. And I'll be posting responses to what other people have said.

P.S.S. Thanks for everyone's support.

[Iron Fist]

Sig spot....

[JD]

yeah cus it needed another thread about it...

[woj]

I'll just take a seat here, carry on guys..

[Marcus Aurelius]

Grabbing popcorn and a drama llama soda, brb.

[Spunky]

I'm sure it will get worked out soon

[JadaY]

sounds like pr0 scammed you

[Agent 488]

2 grand for some wp blog installs with feeds. great deal.

[sicone]

Is there really anything to see here? I'm pretty sure pr0 already stated that he will not respond to these threads and has turned over to legal.

[hershie]

Originally Posted by sicone

Is there really anything to see here? I'm pretty sure pr0 already stated that he will not respond to these threads and has turned over to legal.

Why couldn't you just say what you meant to say: i will tongue pr0's ass and/or make posts like this in the hope of getting some work from him in the future.

[BillyHoe]

Originally Posted by MDCQ

Grabbing popcorn and a drama llama soda, brb.

pass the popcorn please.

[CPimp]

Hmm... interesting, keep on...

[»Rob Content«]

countdown to mentally stable and lawyer post from pro

[MrDeiz]

good luck in resolving that damn thing

[AdPatron]

I'm looking for more link trades for my top list. See sig.

[tehHinjew]

i still cant get over how pr0 fucks some one over for 5k!

[Kolargol]

I wonder how many threads do you need to resolve a $2k issue

[martinsc]

just a sog spit.

[WiredGuy]

cliff notes?
WG

[sicone]

Originally Posted by hershie

Why couldn't you just say what you meant to say: i will tongue pr0's ass and/or make posts like this in the hope of getting some work from him in the future.

Awesome observation. Any other insights to my life you care to fill me in on?

[boneless]

subscribing to this thread by parking my sig

[CunningStunt]

Sounds like a business deal that went horribly wrong.

Both parties believe they were fooked over. Best get over it and move on.

Small beans.

[Tjeezers]

Never Pay In Front

As soon people are paid for something they did not do yet, some hormone in that person his head starts bitching and tells the hormone holder " Why work? You got already your Cash "

[Robocrop]

Good post Nysus, I am sure pr0 will return the cash to you.

I mean, if he didnt come thru....its not his or the rogue employees cash.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Robocrop

Good post Nysus, I am sure pr0 will return the cash to you.

I mean, if he didnt come thru....its not his or the rogue employees cash.

Ah, the rouge employe strikes again

[hershie]

Originally Posted by sicone

Awesome observation. Any other insights to my life you care to fill me in on?

Here's another observation:

You come across as either a busybody or pr0 ass licker. Why make that post telling readers there is no point to the thread and the OP shouldn't share his side of the story after being accused of being mentally unstable by the other side... Why throw in stuff that isn't factual or current to appear to deflect matters when in fact pr0 said he wasn't passing the dispute off to any lawyer and has commented plenty already. If you aren't sticking up for pr0 while trying to appear as a casual observer, then what are you doing making that post?

[Nysus]

I decided to copy / paste responses of people from the other threads (I posted the same response into) who read my full post.

From http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16753251.html -

Originally Posted by will76

Interesting.... so everyone knew he was a nut job, except for you. Which you were friends with him for over 1 year (apparently good friends) thought he was ok enough to give him free hosting, but not all of a sudden things turn bad with you two (after a year) and now you sudden see how he is a nut job?

I don't know either of you but that part really doesn't fit together.

will74's response was in reference to the following he quoted pr0 saying:

pr0 said: "Nysus is a well known nutjob, who's not even in adult. He's also "leaving adult"....which he was never in adult in the first place. *laughing*

ALL FALSE.....Pay no attention to the nut job behind the curtain."

pr0 said: "It's too bad I found out about your mental status from everyone in the biz, only after I offered to help you out."

pr0 said: "This was done as a favor for Nysus, who i have been a personal friend of, for over a year, offering him free hosting on my webair box with 250+ ip's, for almost a year now, giving him free consulting etc.

I did this project as a favor to him."

Originally Posted by candyflip

(Replying to will74's post He's grasping at straws. He got busted trying to take advantage of someone and it backfired.

pr0 is a thief...plain and simple.

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Oh snap!

Candyrip is calling pr0 a thief. I hope that puts things into perspective for you morons who think pr0 is a good guy.

Originally Posted by candyflip

Dude, I put up with the name calling (from people including pr0) and the shit for years over a few duped gallery templates. No cash. No large amount...just some reproduced templates.

If anyone thinks I'm going to stand quietly while someone here rips off a friend for a large sum of money, you're crazy.

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

No, you're completely right. People need to know not to deal with this little thief. I'm in awe that he's somehow trying to justify KEEPING the money that he or his "employee" didn't work for. That is theft, plain and simple.

To top it all off he is arrogant about stealing money. Really, what a piece of shit. He trashed his rep over $2k. I hope it was worth it.

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Oh, and for the record I am not friends with Nysus. I've never spoken to him that I can remember. To me he's just the "millionth post" guy from back in the day.

Originally Posted by StaceyJo

Oh man that suks.

From http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948460-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail.html -

Originally Posted by chupachups

I would say this rather a very good example of a proper "outsourcing clusterfuck". If you dont have 101% control over things this happens all the time. And yeah, pay according to performance/whats achieved and not upfront.

Originally Posted by FrozenJag

I cant say I blame nysus for being upset after 14 days nothing had been done. IMO 2k for a months work is absolute full time wage for a "contractor". Meaning that this contractor should be on NO other jobs then nysus project. So in whats supposed to be 80 hours of full time work from this contractor, all that had been accomplished is having the host setup wordpress installs? Maybed a few rss feeds thrown in?

I think I can see how Nysus would be getting PISSED! Doesnt take mental problems to see that. Yes Pr0, I have multiple businesses and multiple employees, I know whats up and how hard it can be. Its your responsibility to keep on top of your workers and make sure things are getting done. What your employees do and act is a direct reflection on yourself Mr. Pr0

Something is fishy here and I hope these two guys can get to the bottom of it.

Originally Posted by JadaY

pay up, motherfucker!

Originally Posted by Nysus

...
- Someone contacted me and asked me to post anonymously for them. They paid $5,000 to pr0 (William / Untouched Markets) 1 year ago, and no work has been done yet. They want to see what pr0 has to say about that.

I can't confirm it - but pr0 can deny this if it's not true - I'm fairly sure the person will post though then if he does deny it. ...

- I forgot to mention that the person who paid pr0 the $5,000 wanted me and has had no work done yet to say that they had already posted in the first thread I started (http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16753251.html)

[sicone]

Originally Posted by hershie

Here's another observation:

You come across as either a busybody or pr0 ass licker. Why make that post telling readers there is no point to the thread and the OP shouldn't share his side of the story after being accused of being mentally unstable by the other side... Why throw in stuff that isn't factual or current to appear to deflect matters when in fact pr0 said he wasn't passing the dispute off to any lawyer and has commented plenty already. If you aren't sticking up for pr0 while trying to appear as a casual observer, then what are you doing making that post?

1st... you clearly have no clue about me, but you sure do like to swing from my nut hairs. Is the view that good? Hows my ass taste Kobe?

However I will concede to some of what you posted here. I also admit that I had not read the secondary thread posted by pr0 (the one Nysus posted the link too in this thread) and I had only read his initial response in the 1st thread by Nysus, you know the one where he did say he wasn't going to comment and would be turning this over to legal.

As for being factual or current... pr0 did post that and that was only a few days ago, so what's your casual observation on that? In fact, here is his post made on the 13th of Jan 2010..

Originally Posted by pr0

My lawyer will be contacting you mid next week.

You are in breach of contract.

I will not go into any further details.

But all of his accusations are false.

Nysus is a well known nutjob, who's not even in adult. He's also "leaving adult"....which he was never in adult in the first place.

ALL FALSE.....Pay no attention to the nut job behind the curtain.

I have never ripped anyone off. I have a perfect record. Now...anyone with information about Nysus, and his mental situation, feel free to post :-)

Again, please pass on you observation here...

So now that I have educated you on why I made that post, as if I even needed to in the first place... when your done licking Nysus's ass and come up for some air I'll give you one more shot to try and act like you know something.

Sincerely yours,
A Casual Observer

[pocketkangaroo]

Sorry to hear man, looks obvious to me you just got scammed. Lesson learned for others. When a guy is running around playing GFY millionaire, it should be a red flag if he's willing to take on contract work for Wordpress installs for a couple grand.

[Nysus]

Originally Posted by sicone

...
So now that I have educated you on why I made that post, as if I even needed to in the first place... when your done licking Nysus's ass and come up for some air I'll give you one more shot to try and act like you know something.

Sincerely yours,
A Casual Observer

Actually, he wasn't licking my ass, he was going after yours. Just saying..

[dav3]

hopefully you get your money back.

its the only right thing to do since you paid for a service that was not delivered.

[Lassitor]

I don't know...might make a good movie of the week. The big question is who will play the parts? Nicolas Cage as Pr0? How about as John Goodman as nysus? I'm open to suggestions.

[Nysus]

I was hoping I'd have an email from pr0 this morning with:

- "I'm sorry saying all those lies and bullshit about you, and defaming you"
- "I'll refund / wire back to you the $2,000 immediately for not doing your work. "
- "I'll talk to the guy that paid me $5,000 a year ago and didn't do any of his work yet, and work out a deal with him"

[Nysus]

Originally Posted by dav3

hopefully you get your money back.

its the only right thing to do since you paid for a service that was not delivered.

Still haven't gotten my money back.

[Agent 488]

glad to see this resolved.

[Domain Broker]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

glad to see this resolved.

Funniest post in this thread.

[Nysus]

Originally Posted by Domain Broker

Funniest post in this thread.

Agent 488 is a true comedian.

[Pics Traffic]

WP installs? It takes like 3 minutes to install. What kind of BS is that?

[Nysus]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

glad to see this resolved.

I wonder if the sarcasm will be lost on the folks who don't read....

[Robocrop]

So this aint resolved? pr0 was bullshitting about the lawyer, also...he did it easy saying all Nysus said was false info.

[DateDoc]

hope you get your $$ back

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Robocrop

pr0 was bullshitting

Par for the course.

[Nysus]

Originally Posted by Robocrop

So this aint resolved? pr0 was bullshitting about the lawyer, also...he did it easy saying all Nysus said was false info.

Not resolved. He still ripped me off for $2,000.

[Robocrop]

Originally Posted by Nysus

Not resolved. He still ripped me off for $2,000.

I hear ya Nysus!

[Iron Fist]

Sadly to resolve this through a lawyer would probably cost 2 grand....

[Nysus]

How much longer before pr0 / Untouched Markets / William is going to resurface with more propaganda and ignoring that he fucked me out of $2,000?

Any guesses??

[Nysus]

Originally Posted by sharphead

Sadly to resolve this through a lawyer would probably cost 2 grand....

Indeed, though what he's actually cost me is more than that. And the longer he doesn't return the $2,000 the more the damages increase- and yes, I am doing what I can do lessen damages as much as possible.

[geedub]

You'll never be paid and if you keep bumping you'll end up like turbodork and gaymanrox. Which will only matter for you because obviously pr0 has a new name now. Not hating, you deserve your work or money but seriously now..

[V_RocKs]

I fucked your mom!

[Nysus]

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

I fucked your mom!

No you didn't