How many times has this happened before?

For all those that didn't realise DirtyD and his affiliate program stink before today, they do now.

Way to go, you must be a genius, $350 saved, for all this bad press. What a joke.

are you really this thick-headed or just dumb?

i dont get it..

how bout i buy crack whore confessions scam and siphon your clicks since you obviously have no clue about how ppc works and how common it is for affiliates to bid on domains..

And yes PPC cost money, he may have spent $295 to make the $350. He may even have lost money on the deal. Happens.

Bottom line, I hate to see another prog go under.

There are progs who pay this to a couple hours worth of bumpers. When yoiu have a prog you have to at least give the impression you have deep pockets. Most actually do but.. oh fuck I don't know what more to say.

Yes, and this was my follow up email.

"-----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Shoehorn
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:39 AM
To: webmaster
Subject: Re: Payout for username shoehorn
Importance: High

Yeah, I made a mistake when I said "crockwhore".

However this is still no different than someone who is good at SEO and
gets a higher listing than your domain. The sales I sent were
legitimate.

Am I going to get paid the money I owed or not?"

Was a typo on my part in that email, but it still doesn't change the fact that I sent legitimate sales using a technique that is anything but fraudulent.

I would have to agree.

It would have been easier to "have the email discussion." Let him know it is not going to be/wasn't allowed. Pay the man. Check T.O.S.. Wave buh bye to Shoehorn the affiliate. The end.

It frankly is not worth the drama thread and bad publicity for $350.00. :2 cents:

However, I guess some people have their priorities, and this is a battle worth fighting, and losing, in the long run or grand scheme of things. Myself, I simply find the logic baffling at this point.

:disgust

Since Dirty D wants to try to put his own little spin on this, here is a screenshot of my AdWords account for this campaign for the month of November. The same exact screenshot I sent to him in the email.

http://www.johnnyshoehorn.com/hotlink/cwc.jpg

I'd threaten you as well if you owed me money for something that was not clearly stated in your terms... your figting a losing battle that will cost you alot more then the 350 bucks or whatever it is!

Long and short of it. If it wasn't in the ToS that keyword bidding on product names was unacceptable, diryt d is in the wrong and not shoehorn. He is at fault and should update his ToS and pay out the money owing up until this point. Learn his lesson and move on, not fuck an affiliate who did nothing wrong according to the written rules at the time. :2 cents:

Use your judgment wisely here D. This 350$ could turn into a public nightmare.

Wow! Drama! I've sat here, turned down the radio, and read this whole thread. By page two, I was saying to myself "Hmmmmmm, will someone come to Dirty Ds defense and agree with him?", and wow, not one poster! And that's a first... The consensus is in, Pay the man, update ur TOS...

This is VERY BAD publicity for the Dirty-D dude! Horrible! :pimp

Hate to be the one to tell you this, but the way you've been going in this thread, you may want to change the name of it to Crockwhore Confessions to illustrate the true nature of your business dealings. Seriously, get a clue. Maybe look up legal cases where an affiliate or partner or whatever broke a "rule" not in a TOS and see how that worked out for the entity not paying them the money they were owed.

Looks like Dirty D is completely full of shit here.

I see many combinations of the terms and NOT JUST the EXACT DOMAIN name as he has repeatedly stated (possibly the only defense).

Also DirtyD, are you not going pay Rabbits, and freeones and others who rank for your site name? You realise they do not target 'crack whores sex' and stuff like that, they target the site names? Interested in your response.

This compromise makes a lot of sense to me :2 cents:

I think he should be paid as well because it wasn't stated in the TOS what was allowed or not allowed. Pay up and updated your TOS saying which keywords CAN'T BE bid on.

Looks like BS to me.

The man is owed his full join payments. If D want's to pay the man THEN change his TOS and move forward from here that's the ONLY compromise that makes any sense.

I don't understand why he doesn't just pay me the money that he owes me. Especially right now, when there are less and less affiliates every day.

Instead he wants to drag this out and have even less affiliates willing to promote his program from the already shrinking pool.

Do the right thing Dirty D and pay me what you owe me. :2 cents:

Lets see how long this thread gets before DirtyD pays up.

Thats not a trademark...

just curious would you let someone promote your program using your website name with a different domain extension? I would take the traffic and run...

I am not a HowIgotRobbed affiliate and never will be, why would anyone work with a guy who sends a woman to gfy to beg for sign-ups to pay for bail cause he got arrested <-----now thats fucked up

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...rty+d+arrested

Scary thing is what happens to the next aff that does something the program doesn't like or isn't in there terms and they don't pay him as well... they say things always come in 3's!

its amazing how any business owner would be so stupid over $350 bones.....WOW

pay the 350 and consider it a cheap investment in fixing your broke TOS it you did not want to pay webmasters for your domain search terms :2 cents:

Its bullshit to not have that in your TOS then decide its not cool to send traffic that way. And for the 350 you saved by not paying him you have gotten 10,000 worth of bad feedback.

Yeah, and what if they're owed $3000 instead of $350?

I wonder how long he would have let me keep sending sales without paying me and without telling me I was violating terms that didn't exist.

Now how many people are sensible enough to ask...if he screwed this guy what are the chances if him screwing me out of money too? Certainly a program to keep clear of if this is the way he does business. :2 cents:

And the thing is, he could pay me the $350, apologize and be a hero.

Instead he would rather keep the money that he rightfully owes me and have all this bad press.

I usually don't jump in on "drama threads" but will throw in my :2 cents: on this topic.

If SEM/SEO promotion isn't stated on the TOS then he is owed money.

This is the reason that in mainstream the TOS is shown up front immediately and addresses this same exact issue you guys are having here. MOST have a list of terms that are off limit or a disclaimer regarding SEM bids and promotion. The fact it was stated that he is making money off type-ins or off the trademark/company name is a pretty moot point, it should not really matter especially if nothing was stated in the TOS.

Same thing goes with domain extensions, it won't rank unless there was some work put into it and if it ranks higher then the actual site it's because of work put into it. How many sites have you seen with XXXblog.com or XXXXwhatever.com? Some affiliates will promote this way because they want full control over the the landing for analytics and tracking.

When I was doing independent SEO ONLY traffic campaigns... I was banned by over 5 programs until I explained and showed them the method and strategy, after they were all very understanding, appreciated it and even offered to help to increase traffic sources.

End goal is sales, penalizing someone who is working for you is pretty defeating. Legally none of it was stated on the TOS, but from a general business relationship standpoint - it's not good. Pay, update TOS end of story man...it's better that way.

:2 cents:

Hmmm... $100PPS for an entire month sounds like a loss, so isn't paying what was already earned and going forward the same thing?

This nickel and dime TOS crap from sponsors has just shown up in the past few months.
This is the writing on the wall. Time to cull these bastards out before you get ripped and you will get ripped. There is plenty of precedent to rip webmasters off with impunity.

Sponsors that let you build a huge network of links and then change the TOS should be blacklisted. You'll notice that they never change the TOS in favor of the affiliate!

It looks like some sponsors are ready to completely fuck up the affiliate program and self-destruct. For myself, I will look long and hard at any sponsors I work with from now on.
$350.00 bucks indeed. No fucking soup for you!

I'll tell you what - you push my site for a month and regardless of the outcome I'll start your account at + $350.

Any hard working affiliate is gold in my book.

Email me: webmaster at dirty panties list dot com.

Hard to imagine all this BAD PRESS for a mere $350... :disgust

Pay the man and update your TOS.

150 Bucks a signup?

Someones getting fucked.

$150 'of' signups... That's $30pps x 5 (signups) =$150

Have you seen Dirty D's new site, howifuckoveraffiliates.com?

Very generous offer, email sent. :thumbsup

www.blackvaginafinder.es

Nuff Said.

You can say that again!

My thoughts as well.

Any smart businessman will tell you to hire people who can fill in the gaps of what you don't know. I am not good at SEO, so whenever I get affiliates that SEO is their thing, I let them do what they need to do, if that means buying the .org of one of my sites, so be it. :2 cents:

at least this thread turned into something like teaching one ... :)