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edgeprod 11-09-2011 09:54 AM

Is Mark from GTS a Scammer, or just a Scumbag?
 
So let's decide if Mark from Gallery Traffic Service is a scammer, or just the regular run-of-the-mill lowlife scumbag.

A bit of background: I used to work for GTS as their CTO. It was interesting work, and I created a number of technologies while I was there, and I was always complimented on my work. Several GTS employees who were there at the time have come out of the woodwork to confirm this publicly.

Mark made a thread here on GFY called "Irish Confessional Box," which included a funny joke about an Irishman and his priest. I found it amusing, and I told him so. I also included what I thought was a harmless jab about him finally paying me money that he's said he'd make good on for years now. I said:

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Hahahaha, that's hilarious. Any update on paying me that old money GTS owes me from way-back-when?
A few people asked why I hadn't outed him before, and I explained:

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$30k is such a small amount; Mark should be honest enough to just pay me or barter with me. He shouldn't need to be shamed into it. Playboy owes me $60k+, and I haven't made a thread about them, either. If it isn't six figures, I can't see making an entire thread about it -- GFY is cluttered enough with "OH EM GEE, YOU OWE ME $20" threads.

It was 3 paychecks @ $6,250 each, one $10,000 bonus payment, and at least half of another $10,000 bonus payment (although I contend that it's owed in full because of the failure to pay my base salary) .. so $33,750 to $38,750. Not too much, and I'd take it in payments, barter, or whatever form he prefers.
Mark chimed in with:

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Dom did you just forget to take your meds? I haven't heard from you in months?
He followed this gem up with:

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Has brain damage settled in from your failed MMA career or did you just sell off your last car and you're broke? Why in the world would you approach me in this manner?
Obviously all of these accusations are baseless and harmful to my reputation. He wasn't banned for posting these statements without backup or proof, for whatever reason.

For the record, I replied:

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My meds? Proof of required meds, please. You know the rules.

My failed MMA career? 6-3 is a failure? What's your record? My last car? I sold my Viper, three of my BMW's (kept the 5-series), my Mustangs, my Firebird, my Camaro two of my Porsches, and some trucks. That's hardly my "LAST" car ... you know my driveway. When I'm down to my "LAST" car, you can pay me in cars, too, if you prefer.

I'm "approaching" you in this thread because other methods have failed. You keep saying you'll hit me at some point, or just laugh it off. I assume now you aren't laughing, so maybe this was the most effective way. Would you prefer another method? Of course I'll update the thread when we're settled up so everyone knows you're honorable and take care of your debts.
I even offered him a way to settle up by putting a mouth guard in that big mouth of his and showing this "failed" MMA competitor what he can do in the cage:

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Actually, speaking of MMA ... if you'll get in the cage for 3 five-minute rounds ... if you WIN, you owe me nothing. If I win, you owe me the full $38,750.

We'll split any sponsorships, too .. and I'd be willing to do it at an adult convention. Think of the publicity GTS could pull from this.

What would you have to fear from a "failed" MMA competitor?
Of course people started asking him to deny it, which he can't because he knows he owes the money -- that part has never been in dispute.

edgeprod 11-09-2011 09:56 AM

He contacted me on ICQ after the posts in the original thread. Here was the result of that conversation:

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Mark -GTS (DH) 5:52 PM are you brain damaged?
Mark -GTS (DH) 5:52 PM why in the world would you post that?
Mark -GTS (DH) 5:52 PM Are you taking medication or something?
Mark -GTS (DH) 5:53 PM depressed?

Edgeprod 6:10 PM Nah, none of the above!
Edgeprod 6:10 PM Why WOULDN'T I post that?
Edgeprod 6:10 PM It's been four years, you haven't even made a TOKEN payment .. that's kind of lame.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:13 PM do you think posting that will get you anything from me?

Edgeprod 6:13 PM Back then, you told me it'd take a few months. After a few years, and 6-month-interval reminders, you haven't so much as farted a quarter in my direction. Does it shock you thank I'd want to eventually be paid?

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:13 PM you're not getting paid now
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:14 PM i can tell you that with 100% certainty

Edgeprod 6:14 PM So, I was getting paid, but now that after 4 years I've asked to be paid, I'm not?
Edgeprod 6:14 PM That makes sense.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:14 PM dude what did you actually build for us?
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:14 PM what did you actually deliver

Edgeprod 6:14 PM What didn't I build for you?
Edgeprod 6:14 PM What didn't I deliver/

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:14 PM i had to hire a guy to fix all your programming from what i remember

Edgeprod 6:14 PM I built everything you asked, never missed a dealine, and only stopped the deliverables when you got 3 months behind on payments.
Edgeprod 6:15 PM I seriously doubt that.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:15 PM obv you have taken many punches to your head

Edgeprod 6:15 PM I believe that you hired a guy to make changes. I don't believe anything didn't work, because we tested it.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:15 PM over the course of your failed mma career
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:15 PM so you don't remember very much anymore

Edgeprod 6:15 PM I'm an amateur MMA athlete, I wouldn't consider it a career .. and I've only had 3 losses against 6 wins, so I doubt the failure part, too.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:15 PM if you think i owe you money, please enter into a court of law and come sue me.
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:16 PM i'm not hiding

Edgeprod 6:16 PM You know I wouldn't do that over such a small amount.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:16 PM but berating me on gfy will get you no where

Edgeprod 6:16 PM And I never thought that you were a scumbag that didn't pay his debts and needed to be sued. Is that what you're saying? In order for contractors to get paid by you, they need to sue you?
Edgeprod 6:16 PM I thought more highly of you.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:16 PM i thought you would do a good job and deliver a quality project

Edgeprod 6:17 PM Which I did.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:17 PM no you did not

Edgeprod 6:17 PM And I have the e-mails from both you and Devin to confirm that.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:17 PM i had to hire someone full time to come in and fix that

Edgeprod 6:17 PM As well as ICQ conversations where you express how much you liked the deliverables, how much the products were selling, etc.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:17 PM All you did was try me on your failed feed system
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:17 PM the whole fucking times
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:17 PM the one that you made for playboy
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:17 PM that they obv thought as shit

Edgeprod 6:17 PM Never once did you complain, until you were 3 months late on payment, then you made some excuses about some features you "forgot" to include.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:18 PM you tried me to buy their system that you built for them
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:18 PM and i could smell the horseshit dom
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:18 PM that is why i never wanted it

Edgeprod 6:18 PM If they thought them as shit, I don't know why they engaged me for 3 months to begin with at $10,000 per month, then another 9 months at $10,000 per month, followed by another year renewal. Odd behavior of they don't like the product.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:18 PM now you are trying to hardball me in regards to paying you for a project that you never delivered on
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:18 PM what world do you live in?

Edgeprod 6:18 PM I delivered, front to back.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:18 PM bullshit

Edgeprod 6:19 PM You used the system until you shut down your failed business.
Edgeprod 6:19 PM Not bullshit. You e-mailed me expressing that I had done a good job, called me and said the same, and also said the same on ICQ.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:19 PM yeah i'm a huge failure thanks for reminding me :)
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:19 PM LOL

Edgeprod 6:19 PM Submitpasses, Mark.
Edgeprod 6:19 PM Which is what you're referring to.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:19 PM sell anymore cars recently?

Edgeprod 6:19 PM If you're saying that selling my Dodge Viper is due to financial failure, I fail to follow the logic.
Edgeprod 6:20 PM A paid off high-end car that I sold to invest in a company. Odd logic, again.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:20 PM i see someone that obv is on meds, that is broke and is now tryin to strong arm me to pay a debt that was never owed

Edgeprod 6:20 PM It's unfortunate that you say that you're so dishonest that someone needs to sue you to get paid. I'm very sorry to hear that.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:20 PM you didn't deliver plain and simple

Edgeprod 6:21 PM I delivered, on time every time, and with good code. Devin, your COO at the time, can verify that. So can your e-mails, ICQs, and phone calls. You can't re-write history, unfortunately.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:21 PM if you disagree with that, that's your prerogative

Edgeprod 6:21 PM When you failed to pay for the third month (about $18,000 owed at that point), I told you I couldn't deliver more product without you catching up.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:21 PM Devin no longer works for me
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:22 PM and he was never my coo
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:22 PM you have your information wrong

Edgeprod 6:22 PM Your web site listed him as what, Operations?
Edgeprod 6:22 PM I'm just going by memory -- I don't study GTS. I have no reason to. My only involvement with them is that they owe me $38,750.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:22 PM in your mind we owe you that
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:23 PM in reality we do not

Edgeprod 6:23 PM You can try to re-write history all you want, but the debt is the debt. Your claim is that you're so dishonest that someone with a contract needs to sue you in order to collect money owed to them.
Edgeprod 6:23 PM That's unfortunate.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:23 PM Cool please send me the contract we had
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:23 PM i would love to see the paperwork

Edgeprod 6:23 PM Okay. I have it saved, like everything else. I'll post it in the thread for you.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:23 PM you can post whatever you like Dom
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:23 PM it will not get you paid

Edgeprod 6:23 PM I'm posting what you asked for.
Edgeprod 6:24 PM I'm aware that you're too dishonest to make payments to a vendor. I hope other vendors don't draw conclusions from that.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:24 PM lol
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:24 PM you never delivered

Edgeprod 6:24 PM But you were delivered a product, it worked well, and now you're trying to say that it didn't. Unfortunately, the facts don't back that up.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:24 PM plain and simple

Edgeprod 6:24 PM I did indeed deliver.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:24 PM we had to hire someone to fix your work
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:24 PM no you did not

Edgeprod 6:24 PM I have the e-mails to you, to Devin, and back from both of you stating that the project was complete, was satisfactory, and made you money.
Edgeprod 6:25 PM Then why did you e-mail me and tell me what a good job I did?
Edgeprod 6:25 PM You told me in ICQ that you hired a programmer that wasn't me to A) save money, and B) make changes that you "forgot" to include on the spec sheet.
Edgeprod 6:25 PM I can post all of that for you to refresh your memory as well.
Edgeprod 6:25 PM The reality is that I delivered, I delivered well, and you didn't pay.
Edgeprod 6:25 PM Anything else isn't supported by reality or evidence.
Edgeprod 6:26 PM Every e-mail, ICQ, and contract backs up my story.
Edgeprod 6:26 PM Your story is backed up by a guy who is butthurt that his fraud came out into the light after being given 4 years to pay.
Edgeprod 6:26 PM And now, as a "penalty," you say I won't collect.
Edgeprod 6:26 PM That's very good business, and I applaud you.
Edgeprod 6:26 PM As a person, not so much.
Edgeprod 6:27 PM Anyway, I'm headed out to dinner now. We just got a new house and have to choose decorations. Don't worry -- your fat head will still adorn my dart board.
Edgeprod 6:27 PM Take care, Mark. Sorry to learn what you've become .. or perhaps always were.

Mark -GTS (DH) 6:27 PM This is obv not going anywhere. Please e-mail me moving forward and i will direct you to my lawyer
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:27 PM [email protected]
Mark -GTS (DH) 6:27 PM have a nice life dom

CaptainHowdy 11-09-2011 09:57 AM

Great punchline ...

scottybuzz 11-09-2011 09:57 AM

sucks, will be interesting to hear the other side.

I think StuartD had a problem with him aswell.

edgeprod 11-09-2011 09:58 AM

Following that, I posted the following in response to questions in the thread:

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Mark was constantly assuring me by phone that he was thrilled with my work and that payment was just hung up while the company went through some rough times. I heard wild and varying revenue claims, but I didn't yet have a reason to doubt him, despite what I had read about the man. Remember, I had been paid reasonable sums before being hung up for the three months of working without pay. Perhaps my mistake was in not reporting it to the labor bureau at the time. I assume that's still an option ... I hear Canada is serious about that sort of thing.

The whole reason I took such a low paying job (I was only guaranteed $75,000 per year with two $10,000 bonuses) was because my contract included an opportunity to sell my products as "branded" GTS products. GTS was to leverage their sales force to sell my stuff, and I'd share in the profits. Later, when this didn't happen, Mark told me on the phone that his guys were "too dumb to get it" (which was NOT my impression of his team -- I found many of them to be very smart and capable).

Instead of that mission, I was tasked with building a system for Submit Passes and an accounting backend for GTS. Many of the webmasters here probably used my built-from-scratch Submitpasses system, actually --- it was the one with the orange color scheme. It functioned well, but someone of only moderate skill tried to shoehorn in some ill-advised features after I left.

I built these systems, and that's when the payment weirdness started. Devin, who was in charge of operations at the time, can verify any and all of this. He still ICQ's me to this day about how Mark tricked me and took advantage. It disgusts us both.
Someone asked me why I wouldn't sue him over $38k. I replied:

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If $38,750 is going to make or break you, then you probably need to re-examine your financial position. But really it boils down to the risk/reward. Sue, and maybe you win, maybe you lose -- it still costs you money. You won't get a "clean" $38,750 in any case. Even with treble damages, it's only $116,250. After tax, figure $80,000 or so. $30,000 in attorney fees, you MIGHT clear $50,000 .... and that's a BIG if that you'd be granted the treble damages (although with the libel he's added about head injuries, medication, etc, it isn't that far fetched). So, worst case, you clear $10,000. Best case, you clear $50,000. If that's worth YEARS of litigation, travel, and headaches to you ... then I'm sorry to hear that.

And remember: you might lose, and be OUT even MORE money.

"Worth it" suits begin in the six-figure range. I didn't go after Playboy for $60,000 slam-dunk open-and-shut, so I'm certainly not going after GTS for $38,750. Five-figure suits are hard to even find attorneys willing to pursue them. Write it off as bad debt on your taxes and move on. Speaking of taxes, I estimated my taxes for that year, and included the money GTS was supposed to pay, so I guess I got hurt twice on that money.

Now, if you're saying $38k is sitting on the sidewalk, I'd tell you that anyone would bend over and pick it up .. that's common sense. But people toss around "I'LL SUE YOU" over $200 on GFY; it's just ridiculous sometimes.
Someone asked why the 4-year wait. I replied:

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He cried poor at the time, and cried it again at every interval since. I've been promised that he'd "catch up" for years now. It was more of an off-handed jab than anything else, but since Mark chose to melt down over it, it turned into something more serious.
This was posted by an observant someone:

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Lol, with that statement Mark acknowledges that he does indeed owe you. Of course he then resorts to the old gfy stupid logic of, "Well, I was going to pay you, but since you called me out on the boards and embarrassed me, I no longer feel I should have to pay you."

Interesting how there seems to be a long line of people who have done work for Mark or been directly employed by him who leave very disgruntled usually with payout issues. If it was just 1 then I could see it being a misunderstanding, but after a half a dozen it becomes quite clear how Mark operates and what type of person he is.

edgeprod 11-09-2011 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy (Post 18547408)
Great punchline ...

Yeah, I laughed myself to sleep every night for 4 years .. sigh.


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Originally Posted by scottybuzz (Post 18547410)
sucks, will be interesting to hear the other side.

I think StuartD had a problem with him aswell.

Almost everyone who has ever worked for him has had a problem. Does that tell you something?

Up until now, I haven't received contact from Mark on ICQ or by any other form, and he hasn't posted any explanation. To me, it seemed like he was content to let the thread die and to allow people to draw their own conclusions. So, then, let's draw some. Is he a scammer, or just your everyday run-of-the-mill scumbag?

tl;dr: Mark from GTS owes me $38k, doesn't deny it, tried to make some excuses, and now doesn't reply.

devilspost 11-09-2011 09:59 AM

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96ukssob 11-09-2011 09:59 AM

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edgeprod 11-09-2011 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by bossku69 (Post 18547419)

tl;dr: Mark from GTS owes me $38k, doesn't deny it, tried to make some excuses, and now doesn't reply. :winkwink:

RyuLion 11-09-2011 10:00 AM

:helpme:helpme:helpme:helpme

SleazyDream 11-09-2011 10:01 AM

let it go.............. havn't we been down this road before?


what bugs me the most about this is you demanding a BONUS?

WTF???? you had a point on the wages till you started DEMANDING a BONUS. Bonuses are used to reward people so they continue for future work, obviously that isn't the case. Bonuses are paid when someone is totally happy, obviously that wasn't the case. Even if someone is nice to you and says you did a great job, if you don't get the bonus...hummmm maybe it wasn't.

I tell women they look amazing all the time to make them feel better. YES, it's the absolute truth every time I say it...lol

CaptainHowdy 11-09-2011 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 18547429)
let it go.............. havn't we been down this road before?

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edgeprod 11-09-2011 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 18547429)
let it go.............. havn't we been down this road before?

Without a doubt -- he goes down this road with almost everyone he hired, unfortunately. Maybe there's a common denominator.

As far as letting it go, I did that for four years, suffering broken promise after broken promise. I can at least let people know about it now, no? This is the sort of thing I'd want to know if I were going to, for example, advertise with him.

Roald 11-09-2011 10:08 AM

been a while since we had some proper drama, lets see how this works out :)

SleazyDream 11-09-2011 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 18547445)
Without a doubt -- he goes down this road with almost everyone he hired, unfortunately. Maybe there's a common denominator.

As far as letting it go, I did that for four years, suffering broken promise after broken promise. I can at least let people know about it now, no? This is the sort of thing I'd want to know if I were going to, for example, advertise with him.

are you expecting a bonus now? dude, wakeup call. it's going into crazyland.......

advise.

#1. stop mentioning the 'bonus'. you have almost no legal chance of EVER getting that. It's not going to happen. and it makes you look insane. You are not getting a bonus. Bonuses are at the employer's discretion.

#2. Wages, if they were wages, are provincially regulated. The province drops a heavy hammer on that shit if you don't pay someone. If it was true, you'd have gone to the province and they would have gone into his bank accounts and paid you, or seized his house. Wages aren't even bankrupt-able. They have to be paid legally. They will seize your house to pay them. If you haven't filed a claim, then you're the idiot.

#3. Contract. if it wasn't wages and a contract, then it's small claims court. and the time limit to sue is 2 years, you're past that. YOUR FAULT. time to let it go now.

wa wa wa - and I'm not trying to defend mark here but i don't see you as having a leg to stand on and I see it as your fault for not doing anything. suck it up buttercup, next time go to the legal authorities

_Richard_ 11-09-2011 10:14 AM

did he not direct you to his lawyer?

dropped9 11-09-2011 10:14 AM

Cliff notes anyone?

Spunky 11-09-2011 10:16 AM

Place a burning bag of dogshit on his front door and ring the bell

edgeprod 11-09-2011 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 18547467)
are you expecting a bonus now? dude, wakeup call. it's going into crazyland.......

advise.

#1. stop mentioning the 'bonus'. you have almost no legal chance of EVER getting that. I's not going to happen. and it makes you look insane. You are not getting a bonus. Bonuses are at the employer's discretion.

#2. Wages, if they were wages, are provincially regulated. The province drops a heavy hammer on that shit if you don't pay someone. If it was true, you're have gone to the province and they would have gone into his bank accounts and paid you, or seized his house. Wages aren't even bankrupt-able. They have to be paid legally. They will seize your house to pay them. If you haven't filed a claim, then you're the idiot.

#3. Contract. if it wasn't wages and a contract, then it's small claims court. and the time limit to sue is 2 years, you're past that. YOUR FAULT. time to let it go now.

wa wa wa - and I'm not trying to defend mark here but i don't see you as having a leg to stand on and I see it as your fault for not doing anything. suck it up buttercup, next time go to the legal authorities

I had no idea you were this kind of guy. I'd heard people say it, but aside from reading your interviews, I never really followed your posts. Enlightening, and fairly amusing.

As to the one point that you made, my bonuses were contractually obligated based on project completions, and weren't at the discretion of management. Projects were completed, satisfaction was expressed, and the money was due. He never came up with any claims of not liking the work, etc, until just now.

The more you post, the more it looks like you have a dog in the fight. I don't know what it is, but it's a bit difficult to understand where your hostility comes from. Anyway, no harm, no foul, I'm not here to make enemies -- I don't troll, and I've been around the block a number of times without really having any adversaries. Best of luck to you on rebuilding everything you lost. :thumbsup

bloggerz 11-09-2011 10:19 AM

man you must be ballin' cause 38k is a lot to be owed :2 cents:

Juicy D. Links 11-09-2011 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dropped9 (Post 18547472)
Cliff notes anyone?

My doc told me that my penis is rather small for a person my height :disgust:disgust

SleazyDream 11-09-2011 10:22 AM

dictionary.com defines bonus as:

bo·nus   [boh-nuhs]
noun, plural -nus·es.

1.something given or paid over and above what is due.

2.a sum of money granted or given to an employee, a returned soldier, etc., in addition to regular pay, usually in appreciation for work done, length of service, accumulated favors, etc.

3.something free, as an extra dividend, given by a corporation to a purchaser of its securities.

4.a premium paid for a loan, contract, etc.

5.something extra or additional given freely: Every purchaser of a pound of coffee received a box of cookies as a bonus.


like I said - crazyland....... if you want to use a word OTHER then bonus, you have a point. if you use the word bonus and you demand it, maybe you should take some time to figgure out what the term 'bonus' really means

edgeprod 11-09-2011 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by bloggerz (Post 18547481)
man you must be ballin' cause 38k is a lot to be owed :2 cents:

I'm not ballin' by any stretch of the imagination. I just moved into a very modest house that I *RENT*, not own, I drive mostly modest cars, and I have a very modest-sized penis. $38k is a fair sum of money, but it's not going to make or break most people. It's the principle of letting people get away with crap like this.

edgeprod 11-09-2011 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 18547486)
dictionary.com defines bonus as:

bo·nus   [boh-nuhs]
noun, plural -nus·es.

1.something given or paid over and above what is due.

2.a sum of money granted or given to an employee, a returned soldier, etc., in addition to regular pay, usually in appreciation for work done, length of service, accumulated favors, etc.

3.something free, as an extra dividend, given by a corporation to a purchaser of its securities.

4.a premium paid for a loan, contract, etc.

5.something extra or additional given freely: Every purchaser of a pound of coffee received a box of cookies as a bonus.


like I said - crazyland....... if you want to use a word OTHER then bonus, you have a point. if you use the word bonus and you demand it, maybe you should take some time to figgure out what the term 'bonus' really means

My apologies if my semantics offended you. When I said "bonus," I referred to it as such because it's how it was worded in my contract. Specifically:

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Bonus Structure:

Project completion bonuses
1. Submitpass system $10,000 upon completion
2. GTS new sales system $10,000 upon completion
3. Payoutdays build system & launch of website: 25% profit share
4. Other projects that are new systems for GTS to earn revenue will be 25% revshare unless otherwise negotiated.
So, if you have an issue with the word "bonus," take that up with Mark.

As far as the pejorative names you keep tossing around, I'm disappointed that any action I've taken in my years in this business have led you to refer to me as "crazyland," etc, but I think it's starting to shed light on the direction your life took, and how it affects your perceptions.

Babysitting you isn't really the point of this thread, so unless it amuses me, I don't think I'll bother to continue doing it. Apologies in advance.

SleazyDream 11-09-2011 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 18547500)
My apologies if my semantics offended you. When I said "bonus," I referred to it as such because it's how it was worded in my contract. Specifically:



So, if you have an issue with the word "bonus," take that up with Mark.

As far as the pejorative names you keep tossing around, I'm disappointed that any action I've taken in my years in this business have led you to refer to me as "crazyland," etc, but I think it's starting to shed light on the direction your life took, and how it affects your perceptions.

Babysitting you isn't really the point of this thread, so unless it amuses me, I don't think I'll bother to continue doing it. Apologies in advance.



if his contract says bonus, if mark feels it isn't completed in ANY way, even if it's functional, he doesn't have to pay that. He can say nice things to you to get rid of you, but that's about the sum of it.

on the wages part, i agree he owes there. why didn't you go to the province or court?

dropped9 11-09-2011 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links (Post 18547483)
My doc told me that my penis is rather small for a person my height :disgust:disgust

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

stocktrader23 11-09-2011 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 18547445)
Without a doubt -- he goes down this road with almost everyone he hired, unfortunately. Maybe there's a common denominator.

As far as letting it go, I did that for four years, suffering broken promise after broken promise. I can at least let people know about it now, no? This is the sort of thing I'd want to know if I were going to, for example, advertise with him.

He's been involved with bullshit for as long as I can remember and I don't even pay attention.

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 18547467)
are you expecting a bonus now? dude, wakeup call. it's going into crazyland.......

advise.

#1. stop mentioning the 'bonus'. you have almost no legal chance of EVER getting that. It's not going to happen. and it makes you look insane. You are not getting a bonus. Bonuses are at the employer's discretion.

#2. Wages, if they were wages, are provincially regulated. The province drops a heavy hammer on that shit if you don't pay someone. If it was true, you'd have gone to the province and they would have gone into his bank accounts and paid you, or seized his house. Wages aren't even bankrupt-able. They have to be paid legally. They will seize your house to pay them. If you haven't filed a claim, then you're the idiot.

#3. Contract. if it wasn't wages and a contract, then it's small claims court. and the time limit to sue is 2 years, you're past that. YOUR FAULT. time to let it go now.

wa wa wa - and I'm not trying to defend mark here but i don't see you as having a leg to stand on and I see it as your fault for not doing anything. suck it up buttercup, next time go to the legal authorities

Figures you'd stick your ignorant ass nose in here and take a buddies side. When someone tells you they will pay you something courts, bonuses, etc shouldn't fucking matter and you should be lampooned for your predictable, but still disgusting behavior. Not that you have anything to lose at this point.

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 18547479)
I had no idea you were this kind of guy. I'd heard people say it, but aside from reading your interviews, I never really followed your posts. Enlightening, and fairly amusing.

He has and will always have his head stuck up the ass of his "bros". If he doesn't kiss their ass today they might not help him fix his own failed life later. I'm sorry you got fucked on this and believe you 100%. Sleazy taking up for them makes them appear twice as guilty. :2 cents:

CDSmith 11-09-2011 10:33 AM

I'd say $38K is enough to warrant involving a lawyer. It's not about whether or not $38K will make or break you, it's about A) How badly you want to get paid, and B) How strongly you feel it's worth it to make the point of making him pay.


Frankly I hate it when these types of issues hit the boards. If people would just honor their damn agreements and stop letting their egos drive their decisions the business world would be a lot better off. And I'm not necessarily directing that at Mark or anyone in particular, just business people in general. If there's X amount of dollars you owe someone, PAY THEM. How hard can it be? Certainly isn't rocket science. And if there's some legit reason why you shouldn't pay them and they keep on pressing, then let the courts decide it.

Christ people.

stocktrader23 11-09-2011 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 18547507)
if his contract says bonus, if mark feels it isn't completed in ANY way, even if it's functional, he doesn't have to pay that. He can say nice things to you to get rid of you, but that's about the sum of it.

on the wages part, i agree he owes there. why didn't you go to the province or court?

You are wrong, and an idiot as usual. Thanks for not letting us down. :thumbsup

edgeprod 11-09-2011 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 18547507)
on the wages part, i agree he owes there. why didn't you go to the province or court?

I had no idea that even exists in Canada. In the U.S., when you don't get paid on small amounts like this, you just bitch about it -- which is what I'm doing right now. :winkwink:

If I'd known they'd seize his assets to pay me and others he stiffed, I would have done it just to have a laugh about it. Remember, though: Mark promised me all along that he was going to pay me any time now, so there was no reason to pursue anything. He told me that his wife was stopping him, etc, etc. Told me a lot of rotten shit about his wife, come to think about it, and it always made me uncomfortable to hear ... but I digress.

SleazyDream 11-09-2011 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 18547516)
He's been involved with bullshit for as long as I can remember and I don't even pay attention.



Figures you'd stick your ignorant ass nose in here and take a buddies side. When someone tells you they will pay you something courts, bonuses, etc shouldn't fucking matter and you should be lampooned for your predictable, but still disgusting behavior. Not that you have anything to lose at this point.



He has and will always have his head stuck up the ass of his "bros". If he doesn't kiss their ass today they might not help him fix his own failed life later. I'm sorry you got fucked on this and believe you 100%. Sleazy taking up for them makes them appear twice as guilty. :2 cents:


awe, someone got called an idiot years ago, had no defense, realized it was true and now being forced to face reality he can't let it go.......

candyflip 11-09-2011 10:39 AM

He's and his wife are scumbags in my book. Plenty of instances over the years to justify this conclusion.

Even though he's trashed talked GFY and vowed to never come back...he's still here.

SleazyDream 11-09-2011 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 18547521)
I had no idea that even exists in Canada. In the U.S., when you don't get paid on small amounts like this, you just bitch about it -- which is what I'm doing right now. :winkwink:

If I'd known they'd seize his assets to pay me and others he stiffed, I would have done it just to have a laugh about it. Remember, though: Mark promised me all along that he was going to pay me any time now, so there was no reason to pursue anything. He told me that his wife was stopping him, etc, etc. Told me a lot of rotten shit about his wife, come to think about it, and it always made me uncomfortable to hear ... but I digress.

bottom line, you passed your time frames where you could have done something about it, for little to no costs.

wages are very serious here in Canada. Like I said before, you can't even bankrupt out of them, if you owe wages that debt will follow you for life till you pay them. They won't take everything, but they will take a percentage of everything you earn for life, and take all assets unless there is no or minimal equity in them. in other words, he can own something like 5% equity in his house, everything else will be seized, $3-$4K equity in a car, but leases are ok (every province if different but they are all similar, I don't live in Ontario, I'm in Manitoba)

small claims is just a debt that says on a person for i think it's 10 years. but any real estate sold pays that debt first.

but there are time frames to file, for small claims it's 2 years, i don't know the deadline for wages but i doubt you can get anything if it's 4 years

edgeprod 11-09-2011 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 18547516)
He's been involved with bullshit for as long as I can remember and I don't even pay attention.

How true.

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 18547516)
He has and will always have his head stuck up the ass of his "bros". If he doesn't kiss their ass today they might not help him fix his own failed life later. I'm sorry you got fucked on this and believe you 100%. Sleazy taking up for them makes them appear twice as guilty. :2 cents:

I heard about him completely screwing up his life, but I didn't pay attention to the details. I have a soft heart when it comes to people who are down and out, so I am trying not to be overly mean or kick him too much. He seems misguided and bizarre, but I'm not offended by the ranting and raving, so I'm just letting it go. You're right about it making the other party look even more guilty, though; that's always been my take on shady characters taking up for other shady characters.


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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 18547517)
I'd say $38K is enough to warrant involving a lawyer. It's not about whether or not $38K will make or break you, it's about A) How badly you want to get paid, and B) How strongly you feel it's worth it to make the point of making him pay.

True. I guess I just figured he's slime his way out of it anyway, or didn't have the money (which was one of his many claims at the time, that the business was failing, etc, needed to trim expenses, wasn't making money, etc, etc). He kept promising to pay until the statute of limitations ran out, and then was basically much less communicative. Well played, I guess, if that's the game you want to play.


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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 18547517)
Frankly I hate it when these types of issues hit the boards. If people would just honor their damn agreements and stop letting their egos drive their decisions the business world would be a lot better off. And I'm not necessarily directing that at Mark or anyone in particular, just business people in general. If there's X amount of dollars you owe someone, PAY THEM. How hard can it be? Certainly isn't rocket science. And if there's some legit reason why you shouldn't pay them and they keep on pressing, then let the courts decide it.

Christ people.

Unfortunately, when it comes to money, the more of it people keep, the less of it they have to make. It's sad when things are weighed like that, but it's the reality of the business nowadays. Shit, I remember when sponsors used to track me down for not cashing their checks.

stocktrader23 11-09-2011 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 18547523)
awe, someone got called an idiot years ago, had no defense, realized it was true and now being forced to face reality he can't let it go.......

Not a single person here buys your bullshit anymore, the smart ones never did. You have publicly run your own life into the ground with the whole adult industry watching (laughing) the entire fucking time. Most of your "friends" carried their asses as soon as you didn't have something to offer them and you are a failure of epic proportions.

I don't particularly like drama and bullshit and don't wish bad things on anyone but if there was one motherfucker from GFY that deserves your life it would be you.

Oh, and the funniest part in all of this is the fact that your ignorant ass can't spell simple words but God damned did you dig out a dictionary to find some problem with the word "bonus" when one of your last friends had their reputation on the line. Maybe he should send you that $38,000 for taking up for him since nobody else is stupid enough to do so. :upsidedow

edgeprod 11-09-2011 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 18547537)
He's and his wife are scumbags in my book. Plenty of instances over the years to justify this conclusion.

Even though he's trashed talked GFY and vowed to never come back...he's still here.

He does talk constant shit about GFY, that's for sure ... it must be doing SOMETHING for him -- he still advertises here. Kudos to him for not running to AVN with the "I'll pull my advertising dollars if you don't hide the fact that I'm a scumbag."


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Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 18547540)
wages are very serious here in Canada.

I had no idea that it was like that. That's interesting. I don't do much business with Canadian companies, and I don't expect to work for salary again, but I'll keep that under my hat. Thanks for passing the knowledge along.

SleazyDream 11-09-2011 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 18547544)
Not a single person here buys your bullshit anymore, the smart ones never did. You have publicly run your own life into the ground with the whole adult industry watching (laughing) the entire fucking time. Most of your "friends" carried their asses as soon as you didn't have something to offer them and you are a failure of epic proportions.

I don't particularly like drama and bullshit and don't wish bad things on anyone but if there was one motherfucker from GFY that deserves your life it would be you.

Oh, and the funniest part in all of this is the fact that your ignorant ass can't spell simple words but God damned did you dig out a dictionary to find some problem with the word "bonus" when one of your last friends had their reputation on the line. Maybe he should send you that $38,000 for taking up for him since nobody else is stupid enough to do so. :upsidedow


response that big... yep.. nailed it :thumbsup

wehateporn 11-09-2011 10:48 AM

There's something fishy about the options on that poll...where's Ron Paul?

Babaganoosh 11-09-2011 10:49 AM

Mark has always been scum. He and his bros are very noisy but fortunately that makes them easy to spot too. One is chirping away in this thread. Can you find him? I bet you can.

candyflip 11-09-2011 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 18547547)
response that big... yep.. nailed it :thumbsup

Actually...he did. :1orglaugh


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