DynaMo - Was it the Keto diet you was/are doing?
 

DynaMo - Was it the Keto diet you was/are doing?

I was just reading about the Paleo diet, which is apparently similar, but a bit more strict? I don't know, they both sound interesting though.

Just wondering if you're still on it, how's it going etc?

I done my first near 18 hour fast yesterday, totally by accident haha.

yup, it's a stricter atkins eating plan, or atkins is a less strict keto diet. not sure which came 1st.

but i am not on that any longer, i like my energy from carbs, i'm not sure keto is sustainable longterm though, unless as treatment for children with epilepsy, i believe. and i did it to cut fat.

i am fasting daily though, typically 14-16 hour fast every day.

that's based on th protocols set-up by http://www.leangains.com/

and also an xcllnt e-book eat stop eat http://www.eatstopeat.com/

tons and tons of benefits to eating only 1-2x/day within a 6 hour window.

i'm not too eperienced with the paleo diet though.

Keto is sustainable long term. I know a few guys who have been doing it for years. If you're doing it for weight loss, you just are a little more strict on your carb intake, otherwise if you just want to maintain, you can relax and probably do like 30-40g of carbs to keep in ketosis.

Anyone new to Keto I highly recommend reading the following:

http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf
http://www.reddit.com/r/keto
http://cavemanketo.com/keto-meal-plan/

i agree with this, i'll peek at those links too, always good to brush up.

for me, sustainable means doable. it's extremely difficult (for me) to stay in ketosis over time. which means someone like me is constantly popping in and out of ketosis, not fun. ugh actually!

30-40 g carbs is right on the edge of where most people dip into ketosis, for me, i had to maintain <20g carbs. i believe i recall that the keto ledge is anywhere between 20g and 80g carbs. peeps have to figure out where they are on that.

Thanks guys! Got some reading to do :)

I didn't even notice before, but if I avoid an evening snack, then I do quite easily fast for 16 hours a day. Probably why I was slim, now I'm getting the spare tire :1orglaugh

paleo is much more easier than keto, but keto is 3 times as effective. both work for fat loss.

I lost almost 40lbs in just over a month when i first started keto which was like 15% of my body weight, I was only minimally active at the time so it can work on its own, but doing it with exercise intertwined again is more efficient and better for overall health obviously.

I have been doing keto and a few variations for almost a year now with steady success. I have been going heavy in the gym in recent months so I have had to mix in some carb loads a long the way but keto in between has curbed any significant fat gains for sure.

few tips:

-do your own reading, lots of myths kicking around on the subject. this is helpful http://www.reddit.com/r/keto/
-keep well hydrated, low carb diets make you yield much less water so drink lots and often.
-keep magnesium levels up. they can be effected with an unbalanced diet so lots of greens and seeds will help with that along with others.

So you only eat twice a day? like 12pm and 7pm or so?

I never gave it much thought, but if fasting can be done daily, I guess I fast 12-15 hours a day, every day.

:) I'm doing about 15 hours per day anyway, yesterday I skipped lunch and done about a 20 hour fast without even noticing or planning to do it.

fasting is a large part of my success too, i don't normally do the extremes that dyna is doing but i still have a big fasting window in there.

It's not a matter if you eat late at night or not. I ate around midnight last night.. but i'm not eating again until about 1pm or so today. that still gives me a 13 hour window. It's a preference thing. Some HAVE to eat later in the night, others HAVE to eat breakfast. You can do either if that window is still there, just can't do both ;)

The boys in r/keto told me that 20g is strict and most can maintain ketosis with 50g or less.. Just have to see what's best for you I guess.

I lost 45 pounds when I was on Keto and recently got back on because I had to stop as I was losing weight so fast my tuxedo at my friends wedding wouldn't have fit me if I hadn't taken a break from it. Now I'm back on and yesterday was my first day... I hadn't completely quit, I just wasn't in ketosis anymore when I "stopped" so I did gain some weight back but managed to drop some of it back off.

I had started it a month before having to quit (for the 2nd time and first time doing it properly) and I was at 320 pounds, dropped to 285 then took my hiatus and went back to 310 but this morning after a nice dump I weighed 292, so going back on is good for me. Need to get down about 80ish more pounds and I'll be happy.

I did this diet a few years back and lost a ton of weight really quick.

Some good and bad things about the diet, but if you enjoy meat, bacon, fish, nuts and oil, this will work for you... mostly all carbs are out the window except for ones that come from veggies like spinach, etc.

I had some headaches and always bad breath with this diet, but at the same time, I did drop weight fast but my sweat smelled.

If you don't plan to workout a LOT then don't bother or you'll waste a shit load of money :2 cents:

:1orglaugh LMAO!

Enjoying this thread, I also read of some people doing a caloric version of fasting aswell. Is it the 5/2 diet? Something like that, anyway you eat normal for 5 days, then 2 days of only 500 calories (or something along them lines).

I'm going to give it a shot anyway, just doing the research first, will have to start on a Sunday according to Paleo stuff I've read, which is actually my usual "pig out" day of the week, a big lunch and an un-healthy hot dog, burger etc in the evening.

yes, i try to get my last meal in by 8 and the 1st one in no earlier than 12-1.
that's what i realized too, for me, it's basically skipping breakfast, something i always read was a no-no but i'm enjoying some serious health benefits from it. blood sugars in particular, staying lean is an added bonus.

I've never eaten breakfast, unless I've been on holiday and it's included or whatever. So That's pretty easy for me :)

I'm on about 15 hours now. When you say it, you think "I couldn't not eat for 15 hours!" but then sleep counts and makes it a lot less in reality.

Id love to try intermitten fasting but its damn near impossible to eat my caloric intake in the feeding window i'd have. Roughly how many cals are you taking in daily?

:1orglaugh i'm with you, if i can sleep through something like that, all the better!

i did struggle with it initially though, i've had the 6 meals a day plan hammered into my brain for decades.

it's actually a blast to stuff your face with gobs of calories in 1 meal and know you are still within your daily amount. very satisfying.

i'm hovering aroung 1800 cals/day. somedays i will eat that all in 1 meal and then go pass out! :1orglaugh

i think you're around 5-6k cals/day? dude, you could gorge!! :thumbsup :1orglaugh

Right now 3200-3500 trying to stay on the leaner side, once fall hits I will be up around 4500 again...i think 5k is a little over kill looking back, I gained way too much fat.

gotcha, also, leangains goes into detail on training in a fasted state, i thought you might find that interesting.

http://www.leangains.com/2010/05/ear...-training.html

oops, sorry here is the link i meant to include


Fasted Training Boosts Muscle Growth?

http://www.leangains.com/2009/12/fas...le-growth.html

so what would be a good protocol to follow if training in the PM? I am very interested to try this, just unsure how to fit 3500 cals of clean foods in my belly in 8 hours time...I guess its shouldnt be that hard right?

based on lg, i'd eat the most of those cals post-workout, maybe break fast with 1/3 of those cals, train later in the day with some bcaa's prior, then load up the rest.

that would be super easy, you'd have some hunger pangs initially but that's just your brain and meal memory fucking with you.

I dont think i can do 3500 cals between 8pm and 12am though, thats my concern.

Fasting isn't good. You people are idiots. It's simple.

Small snacks/meals (ALL DAY EVERY FEW HOURS) (not fucking cupcakes and beers, fatty) and move around. Don't sit there with your dick in your hand sipping juiced avocados. MOVE. Take a walk, go to the store - go to a gym.

Your body is like a furnace. You need to feed it just enough to not burn the fucking joint down. Atkin's diet is for dipshits that know NOTHING about how the human body works. :2 cents:

Oh yeah, Atkins died of a heart attack :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Harmon I like you, so take this with a grain of salt but.. Most people who say this, know nothing about the diet, or dieting in general... I've talked to a nutritionist and my doctor and both have advised this diet is great and urged me to partake in it.

harmon, take this anyway you want. :)

On April 8, 2003, at age 72, a day after a major snowstorm in New York, Dr Robert Atkins slipped on an icy pavement, suffering severe head trauma. He spent nine days in intensive care before dying on April 17, 2003, from complications from his head injury.




there's no reason to split meals up, that's a myth created by supplement companies to sell you more food.


either way, i can look at my own blood panels and see how much healthier i am due to fasting.

easy as shit if you do carb backloads after workouts. I was doing 4500 to 5000 cals a day with those and stayed pretty lean. Getting carbs from non gluten bases worked best though, gluten tends to make me more bloated and takes a few days to go down.

for the record i don't recommend backloads to anyone who don't go hard and heavy with weights in the gym.

nah this is pure bs man. My health markers are better than ever with this diet and fasting.

feeding it often and 'raising the metabolism' is the myth. NOBODY can burn fat with their insulin running high all day, that is a physical impossibility. And quite frankly, 'go to a gym' is a young mans bitch, its not as simple as that. Plenty of fat people doing it wrong perpetually for years in every gym out there.

Maybe if he wasn't so fat he wouldn't have slipped on ice. Fact of the matter is? He had heart attacks. Blame it on what you want, but personally I wouldn't take the advice of some fat FUCK telling me what to do while he has heart attacks.

Morons.

I'd blame that on, more than likely eating steak and eggs too much.

What is funny is that up until 3 years ago, I rarely ate breakfast; YOU changed that and now I rarely miss breakfast.

http://www.gotbaddog.com/wp-content/...11/Day-326.jpg

Now my routine is that I usually do have 3 meals a day.

The breakfast above between 8:30 and 9:30

Around 2:00

http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto...80489300_n.jpg


Around 6:00 PM

http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto...44097229_n.jpg

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...44914775_n.jpg

http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto...98140369_n.jpg

wow, that looks good i can smell that grill!

:1orglaugh :thumbsup

it's funny sometimes how things go, i learned a ton about breakfast due to trying to develop tc. I do think breaking fast is important, and loading up on nutrients at that meal is wise, i just bumped that meal further out into the day. as you prolly know, breakfast is more about eating the 1st meal after a prolonged time without eating rather than just being the meal eaten in the a.m.

Is that your product? Looks tasty!

I've been thinking about getting out of adult for a while and doing some lifestyle type work, this change of diet and learning nutrition (which I've been trying to do for 5 years now) could be just the change I need.

yeah, i formulated that. it didn't take off but i did learn a lot.

Not sure why it didn't; I love the stuff. I hate it when I run out and have to wait to mix up some more.

Oh right cool! Shame it didn't take off.

Those interested in Intermittent Fasting, there is a lot of info in this thread on Bodybuilding.com

Intermittent Fasting

i gave it a solid shot but the big prob was trying to bootstrap a new cereal in a crowded space. these sorts of product need a lot of eyeballs on em to even think about traction. i gave away 1 ton, literally, not near enough.
came very close to snagging a shelf spot at whole foods but they changed their policy on local products in the middle of that so i wasn't able to close the deal, would have been a game changer but that's the risk of starting your own biz, as we all know. also had some private matters that i needed to focus on.

:Oh crap

Think you might be able to push it some more? Perhaps put a site up for it, maybe Amazon, Ebay, etc?

Or, perhaps try and market it again to more local food stores, Rather than the big boys? Local makets perhaps?

Failing that, go on Shark Tank :) I've seen a few health foods go through Dragon's Den shows and end up in stores.