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kane 07-25-2015 08:53 PM

Trump is bulletproof
 
I thought he would lose some support after what he said about McCain, but I was dead wrong. He actually gained support. Today's newest poll shows him with 28% of the vote among registered republicans. Jeb Bush is second with 14% and Scott Walker is third with 13%. Today he went after Walker. It seems like every time he attacks his poll numbers go up.

This is going to be an interesting ride.

oppoten 07-25-2015 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 20533748)
This is going to be an interesting ride.

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Barry-xlovecam 07-25-2015 10:09 PM

It just shows what pansy-asses the other Republicans running for the nomination are.

Trump's appeal is to whom? Xenophobes and those looking for excuses for their failures. He's the candidate Hillary will have the easiest time to beat in the general election -- that is not a good thing but she is the only candidate for the Democrat nomination that can claim any real experience (with no real successes either) in active foreign affairs :Oh crap.

Trump would be a disaster dealing with other world governments -- aggressive, brash, short tempered -- the epitome of the face of "The Ugly American" to world opinion. His 28% assures a third party. The mainstream Republicans would massacre him at the nominating convention anyway.

Trump sounds like a modern day George Wallace with a lot of money -- an asshole to the core :2 cents:

Milfer 07-25-2015 10:15 PM

A business man should never be a politician

just my two cents

kane 07-25-2015 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20533771)
It just shows what pansy-asses the other Republicans running for the nomination are.

Trump's appeal is to whom? Xenophobes and those looking for excuses for their failures. He's the candidate Hillary will have the easiest time to beat in the general election -- that is not a good thing but she is the only candidate for the Democrat nomination that can claim any real experience (with no real successes either) in active foreign affairs :Oh crap.

Trump would be a disaster dealing with other world governments -- aggressive, brash, short tempered -- the epitome of the face of "The Ugly American" to world opinion. His 28% assures a third party. The mainstream Republicans would massacre him at the nominating convention anyway.

Trump sounds like a modern day George Wallace with a lot of money -- an asshole to the core :2 cents:

There is a part of me that thinks Trump will lose the republican nomination, but in a very close race and that will make him decide to run as an independent. The other day he mentioned he wouldn't rule out doing so. If he does it likely will hand the white house to Hillary.

MetaMan 07-25-2015 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20533771)
It just shows what pansy-asses the other Republicans running for the nomination are.

Trump's appeal is to whom? Xenophobes and those looking for excuses for their failures. He's the candidate Hillary will have the easiest time to beat in the general election -- that is not a good thing but she is the only candidate for the Democrat nomination that can claim any real experience (with no real successes either) in active foreign affairs :Oh crap.

Trump would be a disaster dealing with other world governments -- aggressive, brash, short tempered -- the epitome of the face of "The Ugly American" to world opinion. His 28% assures a third party. The mainstream Republicans would massacre him at the nominating convention anyway.

Trump sounds like a modern day George Wallace with a lot of money -- an asshole to the core :2 cents:

If you had your way you would be apologizing to everyone for being America, giving away the entire country and being politically correct at all costs.

You don't like Trump because you're a loser. It's simple.

I would have you arrested for high treason because you wish the USA has weak leaders.

RummyBoy 07-26-2015 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Milfer (Post 20533775)
A business man should never be a politician

just my two cents

So you want a politician in office?

Trump is appealing precisely because he is NOT a politician...... that allows him to be completely devoid of any need to be liked and he can just be real. The economy is the big problem in America - solve that and you can solve everything else. I'm sure Trump has a much better chance of making things work out for the country than another Bush or Clinton.

Paul Markham 07-26-2015 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Milfer (Post 20533775)
A business man should never be a politician

just my two cents

Only a businessman who has climbed the ladder and dealt with the huge problems of being in business has the skills and experience to run a country. A self made man, who will renounce all his business holdings would be great.

A bureaucrat would be a disaster, we're seeing that in Europe and the result is people clearly out of their depth.

The situation the US is in is one of big business controlling politicians to a degree that threatens democracy.

Take Dianne Feinstein for an example. Her 2012 Campaign cost $34,524,710 In 2018 she will need to raise more to keep the job, so will anyone else who wants to over throw her.

Barack Obama, Mitt Romney election budgets both topped $1 billion in 2012.

This is why you have a very expensive Healthcare System, a crap public schools system, can't get real controls on who can or cannot own a gun. And whoever sits in power, from Governors to Presidents has to toe the line, if the donors tell them to.

Trump will not have to toe the line, he can write his own line. Look back at his career and see where he put the lines previously and who benefitted from them.

Then read this.

Joshua G 07-26-2015 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20533771)
Trump would be a disaster dealing with other world governments -- aggressive, brash, short tempered -- the epitome of the face of "The Ugly American" to world opinion.

so hilary would be better at dealing with rabidly sexist middle eastern & asian nations? the ones that ignore michelle obama on the greeting line?

:1orglaugh

Joshua G 07-26-2015 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 20533781)
There is a part of me that thinks Trump will lose the republican nomination, but in a very close race and that will make him decide to run as an independent. The other day he mentioned he wouldn't rule out doing so. If he does it likely will hand the white house to Hillary.

nah, he's only threatening that to keep his party in check. it would be super expensive to run indy, & he has no chance. his best shot would be to prevent a majority from getting the electoral votes, whereby the president is then decided by the house. He loves his money, wont spend it on a zero-shot, unless his spite factor is that high, & i suspect it wont be.

:2 cents:

RummyBoy 07-26-2015 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20533806)
Only a businessman who has climbed the ladder and dealt with the huge problems of being in business has the skills and experience to run a country. A self made man, who will renounce all his business holdings would be great.

I agree with this 100% but why should he renounce his business holdings?

Its not like a nun ditching her sex life :1orglaugh

I bet he'll be a really strong leader too..... and he will need to be in order to put some fist against all the neo-con institutions who are going to sit him down and tell him how things are going to be. We do NOT need another sissy in office - we need someone who's going to make America great again.

oppoten 07-26-2015 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20533806)
Only a businessman who has climbed the ladder and dealt with the huge problems of being in business has the skills and experience to run a country.

That's why they fear him :2 cents:

kane 07-26-2015 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RummyBoy (Post 20533818)
I agree with this 100% but why should he renounce his business holdings?

Its not like a nun ditching her sex life :1orglaugh

I bet he'll be a really strong leader too..... and he will need to be in order to put some fist against all the neo-con institutions who are going to sit him down and tell him how things are going to be. We do NOT need another sissy in office - we need someone who's going to make America great again.

He may not have a choice when it comes to his business holdings. Any person elected president is required to put any assets that are not fully compliant with federal disclosure ends up in a blind trust while they are in office.

Paul Markham 07-26-2015 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RummyBoy (Post 20533818)
I agree with this 100% but why should he renounce his business holdings?

Its not like a nun ditching her sex life :1orglaugh

Because he may make policies or start wars that will benefit him rather than the country.

That's why they fear him. And let's face it, it has been done before.

The White House, as I understand it, is only part of the law making process. Can he push through laws the other two houses don't agree to? I doubt it.

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I bet he'll be a really strong leader too..... and he will need to be in order to put some fist against all the neo-con institutions who are going to sit him down and tell him how things are going to be. We do NOT need another sissy in office - we need someone who's going to make America great again.
A strong leader, like Hitler or Churchill? If you get my drift.

Is he going to make America great or himself greater?

The fear I have with a man like Trump is he needs an inner drive to get to the top, and a great inner drive to get to the very top. If he renounces all his business interests, it's an indication he wants to make the country great.

As for America being great again. Will never happen until America, and the West, become the industrial power house they once were. The West buys far too many cheap goods from the 3rd World, trade gaps are a scandal, all to fuel a consumer society and keep voters happy.

Try to find a "Made in the USA" label.

http://www.sustainableamerica.org/wo...containers.jpg

MaDalton 07-26-2015 04:18 AM

what happens when the Donald really wins all the primaries, do the Republicans have to nominate him?


Besides that - the second richest man in Czech Republic started a party 2-3 years ago, they got voted into the government right away and he's now minister of finances.

One reason he got so many votes: in a country where corruption is considered normal, he clearly does not need any additional money (even though there's a lot of speculation how he got so successful in the first place)

but after 2 decades we finally have a somehow stable government and CZ is doing pretty well compared to many other EU countries and has one of the highest GDP growth rates

crockett 07-26-2015 04:47 AM

Asking the extreme right if they like Trump or not, is like asking a monkey if he like bananas..

These polls are useless when it's just the Republican base being polled.

mineistaken 07-26-2015 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20533771)
those looking for excuses for their failures.

LOL, it is exactly the opposite. Leechers and "excusers" would not like a man like that.
They do not even like "evil rich" in general...

mineistaken 07-26-2015 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20533855)
Asking the extreme right if they like Trump or not, is like asking a monkey if he like bananas..

These polls are useless when it's just the Republican base being polled.

All republicans were polled, not just extreme right.

Dvae 07-26-2015 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Milfer (Post 20533775)
A business man should never be a politician

just my two cents

The 'career politician model' has worked out so well!

You should take your 2cents and buy yourself a clue.

Dvae 07-26-2015 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20533846)
what happens when the Donald really wins all the primaries, do the Republicans have to nominate him?


Besides that - the second richest man in Czech Republic started a party 2-3 years ago, they got voted into the government right away and he's now minister of finances.

One reason he got so many votes: in a country where corruption is considered normal, he clearly does not need any additional money (even though there's a lot of speculation how he got so successful in the first place)

but after 2 decades we finally have a somehow stable government and CZ is doing pretty well compared to many other EU countries and has one of the highest GDP growth rates

Reagan was hated by the establishment Republicans. Bush Sr was their guy but lost 44/4 in the primaries.

If Trump wins then yes. Why wouldn't they?

Barry-xlovecam 07-26-2015 08:12 AM

THE SILENT MAJORITY HAS AWAKENED! @ donaldjtrump.com

Talk about a crock of shit ...

George Wallace Reloaded -- That put Richard Nixon in office in 1968 -- the rest is history ...

Grapesoda 07-26-2015 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Milfer (Post 20533775)
A business man should never be a politician

just my two cents

the fucking lawyers aren't working out so well :2 cents:

dyna mo 07-26-2015 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 20533748)
I thought he would lose some support after what he said about McCain, but I was dead wrong. He actually gained support. Today's newest poll shows him with 28% of the vote among registered republicans. Jeb Bush is second with 14% and Scott Walker is third with 13%. Today he went after Walker. It seems like every time he attacks his poll numbers go up.

This is going to be an interesting ride.

at least you didn't do what i did and start a thread exclaiming Trump is done after the mccain comments!

Barry-xlovecam 07-26-2015 08:43 AM

A businessman with global operations, who is attune to the global marketplace, would be acceptable with a Vice Presidential pick with inside US government experience -- this would be acceptable to me -- even welcomed.

However, someone who made his money in the domestic real estate market and as a gambling casino operator and has a history of business failures, marriage failures, and now foot in the mouth failures, who is pursuing a Pyrrhic victory, is not my idea of a visionary leader.

Bozo for President II
http://blog.syracuse.com/news/2008/07/medium_Bozo.JPG

Vendzilla 07-26-2015 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Milfer (Post 20533775)
A business man should never be a politician

just my two cents

The GOP is historically all Business men and the Democrats are historically Lawyers.

You don't seem to have a clue, please buy one next chance you get

dyna mo 07-26-2015 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20533943)
A businessman with global operations. who is attune to the global marketplace, would be acceptable with a Vice Presidential pick with inside US government experience -- this would be acceptable to me -- even welcomed.

However, someone who made his money in the domestic real estate market and as a gambling casino operator and has a history of business failures, marriage failures, and now foot in the mouth failures, who is pursuing a Pyrrhic victory, is not my idea of a visionary leader.

Bozo for President II
http://blog.syracuse.com/news/2008/07/medium_Bozo.JPG

how do you categorize his business resume as a history of business failures? he's been president of 100s and 100s and 100s of businesses and only 3-4 bankruptcies out of all of those, while at the same time increasing his personal net worth from $50 million to several billions$. wouldn't you consider yourself a successful business man with that sort of record?

CaptainHowdy 07-26-2015 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Milfer (Post 20533775)
A business man should never be a politician

just my two cents

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Barry-xlovecam 07-26-2015 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20533953)
how do you categorize his business resume as a history of business failures? he's been president of 100s and 100s and 100s of businesses and only 3-4 bankruptcies out of all of those, while at the same time increasing his personal net worth from $50 million to several billions$. wouldn't you consider yourself a successful business man with that sort of record?

I don't care if Trump could buy and sell everyone of us. I have disliked Donald Trump for 20 years ... He is a loud mouth clown and not suitable to be this nation's "fearless leader." That said, I am also, as usual, disgusted with the other options (candidates).

What I think is we may be just seeing is a public opinion platform shaping of the Republican party. If that is true, Trump is just a troll ... this is my working theory.

On another note: No candidate has said squat about the Lafayette Movie Theater Shootings (other than Jindal as Governor of Louisiana ) -- they seem paralyzed and too PC concerned for coming out with a position -- how would any of them be able to deal with issues on-the-fly if in the oval office? They are being managed by their handlers ... Bunch of losers ...

baddog 07-26-2015 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20533997)
On another note: No candidate has said squat about the Lafayette Movie Theater Shootings (other than Jindal as Governor of Louisiana )

You suggest you are an American but your commentary leads me to believe you do not or have not ever lived here ... or just don't have a clue.

Why should a presidential candidate, much less a dozen of them waste time concentrating on a local crime? That's one thing Obama could not keep from doing and all he succeeded in doing is causing more of a rift in this country.

dyna mo 07-26-2015 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20533997)
I don't care if Trump could buy and sell everyone of us. I have disliked Donald Trump for 20 years ... He is a loud mouth clown and not suitable to be this nation's "fearless leader." That said, I am also, as usual, disgusted with the other options (candidates).

What I think is we may be just seeing is a public opinion platform shaping of the Republican party. If that is true, Trump is just a troll ... this is my working theory.

On another note: No candidate has said squat about the Lafayette Movie Theater Shootings (other than Jindal as Governor of Louisiana ) -- they seem paralyzed and too PC concerned for coming out with a position -- how would any of them be able to deal with issues on-the-fly if in the oval office? They are being managed by their handlers ... Bunch of losers ...

my question was more along the lines of your estimation that he's a poor business man due to 4 bankruptcies out of 100s of businesses. just seems kind of harsh.

Barry-xlovecam 07-26-2015 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20534039)
my question was more along the lines of your estimation that he's a poor business man due to 4 bankruptcies out of 100s of businesses. just seems kind of harsh.

Donald is kind of hash too -- you reap what you sew they say :2 cents:

bronco67 07-26-2015 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 20533748)
I thought he would lose some support after what he said about McCain, but I was dead wrong. He actually gained support. Today's newest poll shows him with 28% of the vote among registered republicans. Jeb Bush is second with 14% and Scott Walker is third with 13%. Today he went after Walker. It seems like every time he attacks his poll numbers go up.

This is going to be an interesting ride.

It's because he appeals to assholes....and there's a ton of them out there.

bronco67 07-26-2015 10:43 AM

Does everyone realize that Donald Trump is not exactly a self mad man? He was largely given a giant head start by his father -- who was a REAL self made man.

dyna mo 07-26-2015 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20534042)
Donald is kind of hash too -- you reap what you sew they say :2 cents:

speaking of harsh, Trump has lindsey graham blowing up cell phones and rand paul chainsawing tax code. it's all harsh!

dyna mo 07-26-2015 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 20534053)
Does everyone realize that Donald Trump is not exactly a self mad man? He was largely given a giant head start by his father -- who was a REAL self made man.

wait what? are you trying to claim Trump turned $50 million dollars into $10 billion?


pfft.

crockett 07-26-2015 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20533901)
All republicans were polled, not just extreme right.

Republicans are the extreme right, there are no moderates left. Hence the reason there are never any republican candidates anywhere close to the center, just ones whom try to be more extreme than the next..


Obama has governed to the Right of Reagan on most things. 20 years ago, Obama would of been seen as a typical Republican, but today you guys call him a liberal.. Which he isn't..

dyna mo 07-26-2015 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20534059)
Republicans are the extreme right, there are no moderates left.

this is nonsense.

Barry-xlovecam 07-26-2015 10:59 AM

Yep, I can't wait to see some temper tantrums coming in the pre-convention debates. Not a single candidate qualifies as ethical and a 'statesman' that I would want to represent the face of the USA to the world community.

This country should be a lot better than this sort of petty bullshit. No wonder the world sees us as buffoons :warning

dyna mo 07-26-2015 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20534067)
Yep, I can't wait to see some temper tantrums coming in the pre-convention debates. Not a single candidate qualifies as ethical and a 'statesman' that I would want to represent the face of the USA to the world community.

This country should be a lot better than this sort of petty bullshit. No wonder the world sees us as buffoons :warning

some of the rest of the world likes to point to us and exclaim buffoon, but that's because it's trendy to do so. we're no bigger or smaller a buffoon country than the next country. we're more buffoonery than Italy? France? UK? Russia? i don't see it.

Barry-xlovecam 07-26-2015 11:29 AM

You don't lead the free world by being as bufoonish as others ... Descending to the lowest denominator is not good global diplomacy. Actually the Brits and French get a lot of respect where we do not -- the USA is mostly feared from bullying.

The USA has entered a post industrial era and many citizens have little current skills to offer. So guys like Trump and Sanders say we can get back what we lost -- that is useless -- it's gone. Neither has any real vision for the future -- just rhetoric that is 30 years old and updated to be relevant to the current drama.

They are just the trolls of election 2016. They may have something to shape their respective party's platforms but little more -- I am just dismissive of their stated goals and can see through their bullshit.


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