Fact or fiction? The myths and realities of illegal immigration
 

Fact checking the immigration issue
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...migration.html

Some of the facts being checked include:
- Illegal immigrants cause most local crime, crowding prisons.
- Illegal immigrants are taking away jobs.
- Illegal immigrants don't pay taxes.
- Americans spend billions to educate children who are here illegally and crowd our schools.
- Billions of dollars a year are spent on Medicaid for illegal immigrants.
- Illegal immigrants clog hospital emergency rooms and don't pay for services received.
- Illegals are showing up with $3,000 of available food credit on a monthly allowance.
- Illegal immigrants are invading Utah in big numbers. Most are Mexicans. In fact, most Mexicans here are "illegals."

Are you interested in facts or do you want to blindly believe what your talking heads and emails tell you to believe?

My next door neighbor is Mexican. He runs a landscape business. Or he did.

Everything he did was illegal. He moved into the house next door to me, which he's renting. The first thing he did was turn the side yard into a fucking parking lot by extending the driveway to my property line. Since then it's been an all out war.

Last month the cops rolled in and busted chops, taking everyone except for him and his baby.

- His entire staff was living next door to me in a three bedroom house, including his girlfriend and their newborn child. Everyone got deported except for him and his three month old baby. The fucking mother got deported.
- His entire business was illegal. He had no business license. He paid no taxes.
- All of his staff who were here illegally didn't pay taxes either.
- His entire staff, which was usually eight to ten people at any given time, all drove his "company pick up trucks" without a license and without insurance.

They were here illegally, and every time they left the house they were breaking the law.

Don't call me racist. The other Mexican guy, across the street... We talk on a regular basis. Nice guy. Tonight we are pooling our staff of fireworks just like we do every year. The Cuban family on the other side of my house is going to join us.

What's your point, and what does it have to do with "fact checking?"

You said "Don't call me racist," yet I didn't. Maybe you are.

What do you think the Consortium for Police Leadership in Equity is?

What do you think it is? I'm interested in finding out the real facts on the issue. Are you? Can you prove any of these "myths" are true with facts? If you can't, why would you choose to believe them?

I assume we are talking INCOME TAX they do pay SALES TAX durr.... how is this not a fact lol? How would they pay income tax if they don't work at legitimate businesses? It basically is a fact.

who gives a flying fuck about your myths or facts. keyword here ILLEGAL. that is where i draw the line.

they are ILLEGAL. end of discussion.

i'll continue to blindly believe what the talking heads and emails tell me to believe.

Read the article? Novel idea, I know. It mentions they probably pay in billions per year in medicare and social security taxes, that they will never be able to take out because they're ineligible. Fake names and numbers, but still drawing checks and paying the taxes.

From the article "The Social Security Administration has estimated about three-quarters of illegal workers have taxes for Social Security and Medicare taken out of their paychecks — programs in which they cannot legally participate unless they become legal residents."

And how do they have these taken out when someone hands them a hundred bucks cash for doing lawn work?

Doesn't make sense.

Im with you. Dont think your a racist, just a realist. Something needs to be done, because it is a serious drain for boarder states. I don't have the answers nor the solutions, but we need to start somewhere. The AZ law is a good start. Like it or don't its a move in the right direction.:2 cents:

MetaMan has a point...

you left out the anchor babies that they get illegal citizenship for.

The Arizona law is about discrimination based on the color of a person's skin or their suspected heritage. It's a racist law that reverts at least 15%+ of the population, LEGAL Americans, to second-class citizens.

i dont give a shit what they say. We have to weed out illegals.

Let's keep it fair and equal, and strip away all individual freedoms or rights instead. Allow the Government to intrude in every facet of our lives and question us without cause. We don't need miranda rights, or probable cause or warrants or the presumption of innocence. Assume we're all guilty first, and let us try to prove we're not. I don't like the way you look. Your hair is long. You're unshaven. You're fat. You're dressed poorly. You're probably a pot smoker too. We need to drug test you. Here, piss in this cup hippie.

Pot is illegal too.

I have to show ID when i get questioned by a cop, if my ID says comes up flagged with a warrant or suspended and im driving, im gonna have problems.


Now if you dont have an ID and cannot produce one because you are not hear legally, back to where ever you came from. That includes white people with a British or Australian accent that cannot produce the proper credentials stating that they are hear legally.


Yea, it kinda sux, but we need to start somewhere. What is it that you recommend? Leave it as is?


Out of curiosity where are you from?

No, I'm all for making it apply to every single person in the country not just suspected illegals. I want everyone stopped and interrogated and investigated. Let's do it for America! Make sure every citizen is squeaky clean. Especially the pot smokers.

As Lame as this is Metaman is on point with this. No 'if's ands or buts," illegal=illegal=no rights in this country

Including recreational marijuana use. :thumbsup

:1orglaugh im going to eat dinner its going to happen the law like it or not. have a good firework show 2 nite all of you. :)

Yup. If you are dumb enough to get caught with it, sure give the ticket out for it.:2 cents:

Oh no, make it like the Arizona law. Check everyone on suspicion, based on how they look or what they're doing. If you look like a pot smoker, you have to be drug tested. If you've got it in your system, you pay the penalty.

I would believe that UTAH wouldn't have an illegal alien problem
fact check UTAH doesn't border mexico
true facts are for border states, not UTAH

did you read the article, where they got their facts from UTAH ???


You don't think illegal immigrants don't cost us money?
http://cgja.blogspot.com/2010/02/ill...ly-to-san.html
http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/000506.html
you don't think they are filling up the prisons?
Why is the governator pushing to release all of the ones we have to federal to save millions of dollars annually to save California from going broke?

I dont know where you are from, but if im hanging around a parking lot in a shopping center, you better believe the cops are gonna stop me, ID me and question me. Because i dont "look" like i belong there at that time.


Im talking about following the law. You are trying to make one set of law standards apply to a completely different law. Laws don't work like that.

Where are you from? Where you are from will put some perspectives to your opinion.


I live in LA and i see whats going on, but people that live in AZ or San Diego see immigration laws way differently than living in Kansas or Canada. This is something that you fail to see. Complain, complain, yet you have no solutions. You sound like you run a Union for California state employees.





Like i asked earlier, where are you from and what solution do you propose replace the current Az immigration law? And quit ducking my two very simple questions.

I'm in Florida, and I've told you a dozen times in this thread already. Check every single citizen equally, regardless. Especially those illegal pot smokers. Throw them all in jail. They're criminals.

Just to clarify, because you're probably high on marijuana and not able to think clearly. These facts pertain to America, not just border states. The facts that are being fact-checked, and not just per Utah but nationwide.

Alright bleeding Nancy, the poor brown peoples are going to have to show that they are legal. Big fucking deal, let them go back across the border if they are offended.

The crying of paying social security they will never get~ I doubt any of us white peoples will get ours either. Show me 1 of these fuckers turned away from the emergency room for a common fucking cold. It doesn't happen. You go there with a cold and your insurance company tells you to eat shit and you have to cough up the $1500 for the emergency room visit. You dont pay, guess what. The hospital fucks up your credit because you didn't pay.

I don't care what you communists think. I support President Bush's Open Border policy and so did McCain. If not mistaken, so did Reagan.

Only the child is US citizen, the parents are not and can't be. They get deported along with the child if caught

And this makes you what? Bush was a fukin moron.... Open borders are great when there is equality with the bodering nations. There is not with Mex-US and you and everybody else knows it. No one can go into Mexico sick and expect the Mex government to take care of them. As shitty a US schools are, they are like Harvard to what the Mexican system is.

It was 1986, and Reagan signed an Amnesty law granting amnesty to any illegals here before 1982. Maybe Obama should be more like Reagan and do the same thing. Grant amnesty to any illegals that have been here before 2006. Compared to Reagan, Obama is being too strict on illegals if he doesn't grant them amnesty and pass some very lenient immigration reform.

:1orglaugh nice math

I wonder how many Canadians are living and working in the United States illegally. Would they be looked at the same way as Mexican's doing the same thing? I mean, Canadians are white, so would they get the same treatment?

This is all true in California:mad:

Illegal aliens can pay income taxes and some do. The easiest way is to get an ITN (IRS Form W7) thereby allowing you to file.

From IRS Publication 1915:

just to clarify?
Read the links I posted, you are the one thats high, I haven't sparked up yet, but even wasted I know better than to buy the spin you're putting on the the problem. When Reagan granted that, they found out that there were a lot more illegal aliens than they thought.
MOre people in the US support securing the border than don't by a large margin.

You actually think that there that many are actually get a check? I'll bet more than 95% either are living on welfare because of an anchor baby or working under the table, novel idea my ass, they are breaking the law with identity fraud if they are using a fake name, thats another law they are breaking

So blow it out your ass if you actually think they are good for the economy, thats complete Bull Shit

heres some costs of ONE COUNTY IN CALIFORNIA

The price tag for six county departments to provide services to illegal immigrants was more than $38 million a year, the county Grand Jury found.

In the 2007-2008 fiscal year, the county spent $15.8 million to jail illegal immigrants but only got back $2.2 million from the federal government.

The county Public Defender's Office also spends $9 million a year to provide criminal defense for illegal immigrants who can't afford their own lawyers, the report said.

The hospital's health care cost for illegal immigrants was nearly $9 million in 2006. Today, that number is about $18 million, said Frank Arambula, the hospital's chief financial officer.

The hospital gets back about $5 million from Section 1011 of the Medicare program, which helps reimburse hospitals for emergency services provided to illegal immigrants

You don't answer questions, do you? That "Consortium" (sound like 1000s of people) is a handful of people dispensing biased information. No matter what it is they put a spin on it. Yes, they garner data from all across the US. Then they use editorial privilege to convert the data into illegal immigrate information with a sympathy spin.

So go ahead, take another run at it.
What do you think the 'Consortium for Police Leadership in Equity' is?

we blend in better...well, except for the french canadians...