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Old 12-14-2010, 02:16 PM   #51
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fucking russians.
Fuckin' americans. There was no such a word as pedophile, before the middle of 90's when these US "tourists" invaded Russia in quest of kids. As you may know Russia had no laws against american hunters for underage kids. Pedophiles in Russia was something like flying sharks in Cleveland. So the country was unprotected. Some of the local criminals have used that situation to sell Russian kids to the american pedophiles, because there was a huge demand from the US tourists and no serious punishment against it in the Russian law. This is how it was done.

Thanks to the Russian government which has added the necessary articles to the Law and was catching the tourists of The Land of Pedo almost every day. I will try to find some of those official police videos of the US citizens caught for children molestation in Russia. Can I post them here? The faces of these american bastards are shown very well...
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Old 12-14-2010, 02:59 PM   #52
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Fuckin' americans. There was no such a word as pedophile, before the middle of 90's when these US "tourists" invaded Russia in quest of kids. As you may know Russia had no laws against american hunters for underage kids. Pedophiles in Russia was something like flying sharks in Cleveland. So the country was unprotected. Some of the local criminals have used that situation to sell Russian kids to the american pedophiles, because there was a huge demand from the US tourists and no serious punishment against it in the Russian law. This is how it was done.

Thanks to the Russian government which has added the necessary articles to the Law and was catching the tourists of The Land of Pedo almost every day. I will try to find some of those official police videos of the US citizens caught for children molestation in Russia. Can I post them here? The faces of these american bastards are shown very well...
Calm down, it's your corrupt ass criminally operated govermet that harbors the biz. Where else are the professional child molesters going to go?
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Old 12-14-2010, 03:28 PM   #53
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This is a VERY long read, but is an in depth look at how child porn started and where it is today. Fascinating information about how the child porn creeps are beating law enforcement these days.

Link: http://mirror.wikileaks.info/wiki/An...orn/index.html

Also a few shocking statements in there, like this one:



I know most of you retards won't read it, but those of you who do will probably be as shocked as I was about it all. God damn Russians.

I believe that is a bit part of how CCBILL started out they billed all the lolitas sites with softcore under 18 models and they hosted them on cavecreek
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True. Because having the death penalty has totally stopped all serious crime in America.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/dete...r-murder-rates

Oh no, my bad, having the death penalty actually INCREASES the murder rate.

Genius.
You have to agree it does help prevent re-offending
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I believe that is a bit part of how CCBILL started out they billed all the lolitas sites with softcore under 18 models and they hosted them on cavecreek
One of the industry's dirty little secrets. As well as ccbill some of the programs went "legit" and still continue today.

Another was that many "reputable" programs started with stolen content in the 90's (and for some we've come full circle)

What else?
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Old 12-14-2010, 04:33 PM   #56
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Why i never touched that shit with a ten foot pole, you're playing with fire.
I mean for fuckssakes its called Seventeen!

Startling report, wow this world is fucked up.
I have the same feeling when I see people here posting their '3D' digital teen (and even pre-teen) porn, or even some of the really young looking 'barely legal' stuff which is very illegal even to have a trace of on your harddrive in 90% of the world outside of the USA.

10 years ago in Europe, the minimum age for porn was 16. Weren't too many people complaining at the time. I can't recall one european adult company that had problems with it, or took a moral stand on it. Why should they have when it was perfectly legal (and in line with the age of consent)?

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there are a couple of people that i am going to share that article with that often debate me on what i do for a living and throw the "CP card" at me as an arguement for their cause (proving that what i do is completely immoral, illegal or toxic to the world).
I came to the realization long ago that judgemental misinformed idiots like that aren't worth knowing much less arguing/debating with them. They mostly aren't interested in the truth of the matter and would prefer to wallow in their ignorance.
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I read the whole thing, I am a slow thorough reader so it took me some time. There are a lot of points in it that I disagree with but I cannot fault his argument except this one;



If you allow for possession of this type of content then you are encouraging the production of it. If someone can financially gain from it with the end user facing no repercussions, then its availability would become even more rampant. The writer full explains how the distributors are beating the governments.
Am I really seeing two seventeen banners in your sig???
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Fuckin' americans. There was no such a word as pedophile, before the middle of 90's when these US "tourists" invaded Russia in quest of kids. As you may know Russia had no laws against american hunters for underage kids. Pedophiles in Russia was something like flying sharks in Cleveland. So the country was unprotected. Some of the local criminals have used that situation to sell Russian kids to the american pedophiles, because there was a huge demand from the US tourists and no serious punishment against it in the Russian law. This is how it was done.

Thanks to the Russian government which has added the necessary articles to the Law and was catching the tourists of The Land of Pedo almost every day. I will try to find some of those official police videos of the US citizens caught for children molestation in Russia. Can I post them here? The faces of these american bastards are shown very well...

Ignore the fact that Russians drive the child porn industry and instead blame Americans who came to Russia to fuck kids who were being pimped by their Russian parents. Of course the fact that Russia didn't even have a law about it probably tells you all you need to know about all the kid fucking going on in Russia back then. There are now and always will be pedophiles everywhere. Don't be naive in thinking your people never fucked kids before the Americans came. They've been fucking them since the beginning of humanity.


Point is, it takes two to tango.
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Half way through reading it and need a break. Here's my initial thoughts.

When you scream about 2257 being too strict, remember this article.
I don't think 2257 is strict. It's not even enforced.


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Please don't ask me where the mentioned billing system is based too. I bet also not in Russia. This is why I don't statements like "God damn Russians".
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why is that article on that site? wikileaks is fucking weird
Wikileaks leaks anonymous info that is given to them. This letter was an anonymous letter written to them from someone in the child porn business.
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Am I really seeing two seventeen banners in your sig???
Yes you do since I am the affiliate manager for Payserve which has Seventeen the print magazine, Club Seventeen our highest converting site, Seventeen Video and Seventeen Live

so yeah, you're seeing 2 Seventeen Hearts in my sig
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Lots of wrong facts in this article. I.e they write "in Germany, the Bravo magazine has for decades reprinted pictures of naked girls and boys for the purpose of sexual enlightenment."

In fact Bravo is the number one source for teens to receive sexual education. When schools and parents were lacking the skills to educate kids about sexuality and how kids are created, Bravo's Doctor Sommer filled the gap. There was no explicit nudity or porn in this magazine. It was teens in panties at best and not porn in any way.
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What an extremely interesting read. Thanks for posting.
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One of the industry's dirty little secrets. As well as ccbill some of the programs went "legit" and still continue today.

Another was that many "reputable" programs started with stolen content in the 90's (and for some we've come full circle)

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Lots of wrong facts in this article. I.e they write "in Germany, the Bravo magazine has for decades reprinted pictures of naked girls and boys for the purpose of sexual enlightenment."

In fact Bravo is the number one source for teens to receive sexual education. When schools and parents were lacking the skills to educate kids about sexuality and how kids are created, Bravo's Doctor Sommer filled the gap. There was no explicit nudity or porn in this magazine. It was teens in panties at best and not porn in any way.

Wrong. Even newspapers like 'Das Bild' published nude photos of under 18s nearly every day. In the UK, the Sun became the paper we know and love today by rescuing it's circulation figures through publishing topless pictures of 16 year olds, including the most popular page 3 girl in history - samamtha fox.
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Yes you do since I am the affiliate manager for Payserve which has Seventeen the print magazine, Club Seventeen our highest converting site, Seventeen Video and Seventeen Live

so yeah, you're seeing 2 Seventeen Hearts in my sig
Well, the reason why even those banners are technically child porn, and why I now have to apply window washer to my computer after viewing them if I don't want a few months of showerrape, is because of the same spurious logic that you just supported.

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This is a VERY long read, but is an in depth look at how child porn started and where it is today. Fascinating information about how the child porn creeps are beating law enforcement these days.

Link: http://mirror.wikileaks.info/wiki/An...orn/index.html

Also a few shocking statements in there, like this one:



I know most of you retards won't read it, but those of you who do will probably be as shocked as I was about it all. God damn Russians.
So CCBILL is a Russian company? And all the millions who bought memberships were Russians?

What do you guys think of sites like this : http://theync.com/ that juxtapose images of beheaded Iraqies, mangled car crash victims, American high school kids ripping each other to pieces in videoed fights, and - if you're willing to pay - apparently real rape videos.

All hosted on American Servers. But hey, it's perfectly legal.

Probably a few of you are going to e-mail the webmaster for a hard link trade.
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not american accents >>> http://theync.com/media.php?name=19211-what-the-hell
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Very American accents :
http://theync.com/media.php?name=19185-bad-bitches

Clearly under 18, clearly me watching it promotes the production of more videos like that, but no nudity or even hint of a sexual context, so fully legal in the US of A. Feel free to trade links with this guy, the site probably gets a zillion hits a day. The FBI probably jerk off to it themselves.
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This guy is into child porn, it becomes clearer and clearer the more you read.
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This guy is into child porn, it becomes clearer and clearer the more you read.
I hope you're not refferring to me Paul. Prepare for hell to break loose if you are.
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Yes, he obviously knows a bit too much.
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So CCBILL is a Russian company? And all the millions who bought memberships were Russians?
Uhhhh, no. Who said CCbill was Russian?

The article is very clear on Russians collecting all of this CP to resell it.

My guess is you're Russian?
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What do you guys think of sites like this : http://theync.com/ that juxtapose images of beheaded Iraqies, mangled car crash victims, American high school kids ripping each other to pieces in videoed fights, and - if you're willing to pay - apparently real rape videos.
Sites that like are horrible. You'd have to be disturbed to want to look at that sort of thing.
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Uhhhh, no. Who said CCbill was Russian?

The article is very clear on Russians collecting all of this CP to resell it.

My guess is you're Russian?
No, just don't like blanket racism.
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My God, is that a real photo? That is terrifying!

Reminds me of "The Nothing" in The Never Ending Story.
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Sites that like are horrible. You'd have to be disturbed to want to look at that sort of thing.
* Alexa Traffic Rank: 4,395
* United States Flag Traffic Rank in US: 3,339
* Sites Linking In: 581

Seems to me the wikileaks guy is pointing out the American puritism and hysteria over teenage sex. In that respect, I agree 100% with him.

16 year olds in hardcore sex videos, 14 year olds in scantily clad 'glamour photography[ - all that was legal in Europe as well as Russia only 10 years ago, and very few people had a problem with either viewing it, or making money from it. It's fucking hilarious, if a little disturbing, seeing the americans here getting on their high horse and screaming death to foreign perverts and then no doubt checking their 'is she really legal' 18 stats and screaming that they haven't made a sale.

Now, ironically, being an adult webmaster in the UK or Europe is a very risky buisness, because there's a question mark over the legal status of those American barely legal sites, and the virtual toon porn is definately illegal, even to pass through your browser.
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16 year olds in hardcore sex videos, 14 year olds in scantily clad 'glamour photography[ - all that was legal in Europe as well as Russia only 10 years ago, and very few people had a problem with either viewing it, or making money from it. It's fucking hilarious, if a little disturbing, seeing the americans here getting on their high horse and screaming death to foreign perverts and then no doubt checking their 'is she really legal' 18 stats and screaming that they haven't made a sale.
You won't get a debate out of me on that one. I agree with you 100%.
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Well, the reason why even those banners are technically child porn, and why I now have to apply window washer to my computer after viewing them if I don't want a few months of showerrape, is because of the same spurious logic that you just supported.

you cant be serious right?
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I love how both sides use sweeping generalizations and assumptions on how they conduct themselves.

Does the word exploitation come to mind at all? I was top of my class growing up and I did plenty of dumb things based on lack of experience, not intelligence. Thankfully, one of them wasn't posing in front of a camera when I was 15.


What makes you guys think Americans and Russians are different in terms of how we are wired? Do you think human beings have a different type of biology because they are from a different country? Do you honestly think we are all wired that differently?

Child pornography isn't limited to a country or a class of citizen. Its a problem that involves the EXPLOITATION OF MINORS across the world. Why? Because I don't care what your stupid fucking law says, a 15 year old does not have the right amount of experience in life to know exactly what they are doing at the time. Thats why they shouldn't do it.

Using semantics and reading into gray lines just to support your sick fascination with an unhealthy habit is tantomount to assault against minors in my eyes.

That entire article is a passion piece on why CP is misunderstood. Fuck him and his convuloted elitist bullshit. I don't care what type of education you THINK you may have, you are still a scum fuck that just tried to rationalize CP (Directed at the author of this article).


Some of my favorite choice passages from the article -

"The question we should ask is: what kind of a decent life can the society provide for the pedophiles? It is a mistake to believe that pedophiles are monsters. If one is heterosexual, he does not fall over every woman. One is also not in love in every woman. A gay man does not rape every man he sees on the street. It is similar for the pedophiles, they do not feel attracted by every child and even find children sometimes antipathic. The media is world-class in undifferentiating reports."

"The criminalization of child pornography is one of the most stupid decisions ever made - for various reasons. First, the costs of prosecution for possession of child pornography are enormous for the state and often very little results are achieved and after all nothing can be changed about the actual fact that the crime has been committed. A friend's home was searched and had all his computers and 4500 video cassettes - on which he for years had recorded movies - taken. It took 2 years to work through them all and in the process a huge sum of taxpayers' money was spent FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Because he had recorded TV movies on the video tapes! Germany is very rich, making expensive proceedings for child pornography. Put those who write horror stories and one-sided descriptions in the jail so that it becomes really expensive to the taxpayer [?]. Germany has enough money, so let's just do it.

Secondly, it is justified by the argument that viewing of a child porn picture harms the child. How? The actual exploitation has happened a long time ago! "




Personally for me, I think we should punish the producers of child porn worse that we do rapists. FUCK ALL OF YOU that live in a fantasy land where you think 14 year olds have free will and choice. Seriously, kill yourself.
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I love how both sides use sweeping generalizations and assumptions on how they conduct themselves.

Does the word exploitation come to mind at all? I was top of my class growing up and I did plenty of dumb things based on lack of experience, not intelligence. Thankfully, one of them wasn't posing in front of a camera when I was 15.


What makes you guys think Americans and Russians are different in terms of how we are wired? Do you think human beings have a different type of biology because they are from a different country? Do you honestly think we are all wired that differently?

Child pornography isn't limited to a country or a class of citizen. Its a problem that involves the EXPLOITATION OF MINORS across the world. Why? Because I don't care what your stupid fucking law says, a 15 year old does not have the right amount of experience in life to know exactly what they are doing at the time. Thats why they shouldn't do it.

Using semantics and reading into gray lines just to support your sick fascination with an unhealthy habit is tantomount to assault against minors in my eyes.

That entire article is a passion piece on why CP is misunderstood. Fuck him and his convuloted elitist bullshit. I don't care what type of education you THINK you may have, you are still a scum fuck that just tried to rationalize CP (Directed at the author of this article).


Some of my favorite choice passages from the article -

"The question we should ask is: what kind of a decent life can the society provide for the pedophiles? It is a mistake to believe that pedophiles are monsters. If one is heterosexual, he does not fall over every woman. One is also not in love in every woman. A gay man does not rape every man he sees on the street. It is similar for the pedophiles, they do not feel attracted by every child and even find children sometimes antipathic. The media is world-class in undifferentiating reports."

"The criminalization of child pornography is one of the most stupid decisions ever made - for various reasons. First, the costs of prosecution for possession of child pornography are enormous for the state and often very little results are achieved and after all nothing can be changed about the actual fact that the crime has been committed. A friend's home was searched and had all his computers and 4500 video cassettes - on which he for years had recorded movies - taken. It took 2 years to work through them all and in the process a huge sum of taxpayers' money was spent FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Because he had recorded TV movies on the video tapes! Germany is very rich, making expensive proceedings for child pornography. Put those who write horror stories and one-sided descriptions in the jail so that it becomes really expensive to the taxpayer [?]. Germany has enough money, so let's just do it.

Secondly, it is justified by the argument that viewing of a child porn picture harms the child. How? The actual exploitation has happened a long time ago! "




Personally for me, I think we should punish the producers of child porn worse that we do rapists. FUCK ALL OF YOU that live in a fantasy land where you think 14 year olds have free will and choice. Seriously, kill yourself.
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Lots of wrong facts in this article. I.e they write "in Germany, the Bravo magazine has for decades reprinted pictures of naked girls and boys for the purpose of sexual enlightenment."

In fact Bravo is the number one source for teens to receive sexual education. When schools and parents were lacking the skills to educate kids about sexuality and how kids are created, Bravo's Doctor Sommer filled the gap. There was no explicit nudity or porn in this magazine. It was teens in panties at best and not porn in any way.
not quite correct, Bravo prints pictures of fully naked teens between 14 and 18 - but in an educational way. nowadays.

25-30 years back they were much more "sexy" and i quite enjoyed that at that time
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What makes you guys think Americans and Russians are different in terms of how we are wired? Do you think human beings have a different type of biology because they are from a different country? Do you honestly think we are all wired that differently?
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That entire article is a passion piece on why CP is misunderstood. Fuck him and his convuloted elitist bullshit. I don't care what type of education you THINK you may have, you are still a scum fuck that just tried to rationalize CP (Directed at the author of this article).

Perfectly put response. Reading over the Wikileaks article reminds me alot of something Pete Townshend said after he got busted for CP:

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...the pathway to 'free' paedophilic imagery is--as it were--laid out like a free line of cocaine at a decadent cocktail party: only the strong willed or terminally uncurious can resist.

Bullshit. CP is only irresistable to the terminally fucked. I absolutely disagree with decriminalizing it's posession. Some parts send shivvers down your spine when mentoning that some of the kids were smiling and laughing the whole time, didn't understand why when they got older they stopped being photographed, etc. Expoitation is exploitation, so what if you made it a game and gave them a lollypop afterwards... children are easy to fool, trick and decieve- that's expressly why we must have laws to protect them.
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I don't think that the point is Russians or Americans or Europeans.
The problem is out there and we (the professionals) have to be more proactive about it.
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So Mr. X is basically all for hebephilia (as I stated with my "Death In Venice" screenshot), not for paedophilia? He ultimately sounds unapologetic for teenager girls posing nude...
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Perfectly put response. Reading over the Wikileaks article reminds me alot of something Pete Townshend said after he got busted for CP:


"Townshend later explained he was sexually abused as a child and, in preparation of a possible autobiography, he was researching how easily child pornography can be accessed online, in order to argue that Internet service providers need to become more vigilant. ?It must be time to do something more concrete to stop the proliferation of questionable pornography that seems so readily and openly facilitated by the Internet,? he later wrote about the experience."

this is @csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2010/0205/At-Super-Bowl-The-Who-s-Townshend-dogged-by-child-porn-arrest



See you've got it wrong (/sarcasm)


He wasn't looking at child porn, he was doing research.
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