Tom_PM

"Please move on"

Good advice, thanks.

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Gator

What a genius!

_Richard_

posted on a saturday?

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That is the last group of basement dwelling internet geeks I would EVER want to piss off...

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edgeprod

I try not to piss ANYONE off, but ... Yeah, Anonymous is way up there on my "don't" list. Made some great friends at Scientology protests, though.

Wilsy

Forgive my ignorance but what is this /b/ and anon you all talk about?

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kristin

Years back i was at steve's house and we were sitting by the pool and he told me this plan. I didn't even remember until he posted it and i also fell for it. I didn't think it was cool then nor now.

And Shap, I know the domain story and we also didn't agree on that either.

Posted from my iPad

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dyna mo

i can't find anything at /b/ about this.

peedy

How was my statement problematic? We sell fantasy don't we? Everyone on the outside looks at porn as its such a fantasy, when behind the scenes its not all glitz and glamour...its hard fucking work these days.

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I think it's probably BS. Doesn't seem like their style unless a bunch of them posted tributes and got pissed after the reveal. But it did make straight dope: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=591164

peedy

I'll just say that its sad that this is who we've become. Seems we humans get less decent every day. To all that spoke out against Steve, good, that is very nice to see. I thought Steve was a standup guy but this proves otherwise. Since when is death a joke?

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edgeprod

Most of the stuff on there ends up fizzling out without happening, but the things that DO happen end up being big.

Most of the threads about it were last night. Not sure if you understand that the threads "fall off" and 404 ... Links are useless.

And yes, it was baaaaawwwwww time afer the reveal. Lots of funny hole-in-head chops, tho, LOL. I saved one of the threads on my iPad from last night for lulz.

Alky

30 mins after it was first posted here that it was on /b/ i couldnt find it either... i went 10 pages deep.... maybe not far enough??

will76

can you post some of the hole in the head chops here too ?

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edgeprod

Haha I didn't make any of them unfortunately. There was a FUUUUUUUUU cartoon, too. Just post anothet pic on /b/, tell them who it is, and hopefully they'll post 'em up. It's been like 12 hours, so who knows what crew is around now.

I'm gonna try to e-mail the beginning of one thread from last night to ya .. Would you mind posting it for me? I can't figure out an easy way to post it from the iPad.

PatrickKing

As an older member here..(I mean by age) I find it funny as the other older members here are crashing and burning. I had a vision of online adult in the earlier part of the game, it was quite simply keep your head low and make that money. I came from the street side of porn back in the golden days before all of this mess. We never would have peacocked as hard as some people have. I always felt that if you stand out you will fall either by your own hand or someone elses. Fly under the radar and you can fly forever.. make a spectical of yourself ,you will get the attention that you so seriously crave for a while and when your star fades you will be a clown for the next generation; you still get attention as a clown , so chin up "pimps" lol. Buisness is not about drawing attention to yourself by promoting yourself.. its about smart people noticing your quiet accomlisments and quietly cashing in on them. I would give this small bit of advice to the young blood around here.. its not about how cool you sell but how good you sell. The candle that burns twice as brite lasts half as long. Throwing 40-50k parties is retarded when you could keep all that money in your pocket (and save it) and give your partners a great night for 2k. The guys who want to have a dick measuring contest are the guys who will at one point in the future be giving blowjobs for bologna samwiches..As seen in fig. 1-216... Shine on you crazy diamonds... Leave the Fake pimpin shit for the crash and burners and watch the show.

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will76

Great advice, thanks for sharing it with us.

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PAR

Steve...
To think I was feeling bad for you, thinking that there was a possibility that maybe it was true and was about stand-up for you.
Thinking
*Nobody, not even you would dig a grave like this and then drag it out long after it was going all bad...*

So happy I waited...
I can over look the 1st post as a joke and even over look not posting the dated as 2001-2010 ... But the follow-up etc. Nope, thats going a little past the point of a laugh.

Maybe next time I see you at a show you can explain to me how this was all a great idea...

On the upside your fail has managed to give people on GFY a common ground where many didn't have one.

So maybe it's a great start to 2011.. *Just not for you*

ShellyCrash

This is great advice.

I've got about a decade into this biz and I would have to say the ego seems to be the downfall for many. It's more addictive than cocaine- people start drinking their own kool-aid and lose sight of what's important. They start promoting themselves in place of the brand and in the process they take their eyes off the bottom line.

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cybermike

Patrick King knows the score

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spazlabz

and a on Patrick Kings advice, dead on and how I have managed to stick it out as long as I have

and I second what Shelly said. The cult of personality has many followers. When you start taking the focus off the product and make yourself the hype it is only a matter of time before you hit that brick wall

dyna mo

DEA - banned for life

who actually reads all the post in these threads?

MaDalton

excellent

that's how i live my life (disregard the postcount - it's advertising. lol)

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12clicks

Hahahaha.can the people offering up advice to the successful please point out one thing that they've accomplished first?
Talk is cheap

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LMAO, you are offering advice to us with that post, so you go first. Give us your list of accomplishments.... in the last 10 years...

Steve "was" successful. Now he has a plummeting porn biz and a start up "sueing people" biz. So you count people as "successful" because they made a lot of money in the past even though they are not making that much now??? ok, i know figures you would for obvious reasons.

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TheDoc

Talk is cheap... and Seriously?

Your scale of accomplished is what then, $4m a year? Hey, I'll give some respect to the success of anyone reaching that or any goal they set.

But you would have to be rather thick headed to think many others haven't reached and broken that mark, past and present and several people in this thread too.


Sorry...the more I think about it, the more I just have to laugh at your question. Even asking it is pure, hahahaha.

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If we can agree Lightspeed is the benchmark for what you consider success, and Lightspeed made $5 mil top line in 05 according to the article, that year I was 25 years old and running the marketing department for a company doing 3 times that gross.

Some people prefer to walk softly and carry a big stick.

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will76

What has Steve accomplished in the last 2-3 years besides sueing people?

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BVF

YOU haven't accomplished anything except build a reputation of TALKING about money and then launching a bunch of shitty paysites with no traffic....

Pot, meet kettle.

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Shap

BVF The one thing about 12clicks is he makes money and a lot of it. The goal when you are in business is to make money.

There is a massive difference between 12clicks and Steve and I'm not just talking about their bank accounts.

Tjeezers

wonder this myself also

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you've been to the sauna with both of them?


btw - i'd like to talk to you regarding Twistys and traffic if you have time but i'm not sure if you have still the same ICQ

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ladida

Yea, but he only does crossells. That's his business, that's it. Has few partners he trades with and that's that. It's why he's trolling so hard, since that type of operation requires little to no work other then finding people that run the same type of business. Is that success or business? I don't think so. If you judge it by the money he makes, then yes, he made it, but at the same time, i know way more spammers that do way more then he does, so they're better business men then he is?

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Shap

I know what you mean. I've made nowhere near what some people have made in this biz. However ive build a pretty solid brand. Is that more of an accomplishment than someone who's built nothing but made $25 million more than I have? I don't know.

ladida

Yes. You've built a business, he just found a way to make money. The 2 are not always the same. It's just that he likes to brag how it is. Would you want to have made more money then you did, i don't know.

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fatfoo

I don't believe they are dead.

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will76

I think so. And I don't think it is someone who has built a solid brand vs someone who had built nothing. I have built nothing, just sent sales. What you did was build a good brand, vs someone who makes (made) money from shitty billing practices.... which has helped to destroy the industry for people like you and everyone else.


I could have made millions installing spyware and then holding people's computers hostage unless they pay for my shit to make it work, or several other illegal/shady things.


The cross sale business is short term, going away. I hope 12Clicks has something else to latch on to. At least if he does evolve to the next thing (shaddy or not) it will be more than what Steve has done which is sit on the same sites for the last 5-6 years... that and blackmailing, err i mean sueing people and faking girls deaths.

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will76

Also don't forget, cross sales are one time thing, paid and be done with. If they stop tomorrow how much does he have. How much VALUE do you have in your sites if you were to sell them. So while someone might have made millions more than you so far, don't forget the value you are sitting on where as the only thing they are sitting on is their ass. (myself included).

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SmokeyTheBear

it's the "at all cost" part that most people have a problem with , we all understand money, but most of us never resorted to installing trojans to make money right..

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wehateporn

Interesting, I'm surprised to hear that he does

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Interesting bump. Interesting read (again). How quickly we forget.

12clicks

I'm surprised you rember to breath.
Seriously child, if you knew ANYONE of note in this business, the surprise about your betters wouldn't be so great.

12clicks

I wonder if this loser is still living off his wife's income.
Hilarious looking back on the nobodies who talked a big game for a year or two and then disappeared.

12clicks

Sure you do, kid.
I've been successful in this biz for 16 years. Long before cross sales and long after.
Don't embarrass yourself pretending you know shit about me or this business.

You don't.

12clicks

Halfwit, if you're still pretending to be in this biz by posting here, I'll send you bus fare and you can get a tour of our office.

12clicks

Thanks for the bump. It's always good for a laugh to look back on the losers who explain what I don't make and don't know.