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BSleazy · 01-21-2011, 12:47 AM

If you're not doing anything black hat, do you really need ip's spread across separate class c ranges(so-called seo hosting)? Do you understand why, or even IF you need to do this?

Antonio · 01-21-2011, 12:57 AM

Nope, you don't need separate class c ranges and if you have your domains spread over gazillion class C IPs, it won't make much of a difference to your SE positions.

Moose · 01-21-2011, 01:02 AM

Make your own conclusion , "class c's" have not existed since 1993.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classle...Domain_Routing
Google doesn't know what a class c is,why should you be worried about it.

AzteK · 01-21-2011, 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moose

Make your own conclusion , "class c's" have not existed since 1993.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classle...Domain_Routing
Google doesn't know what a class c is,why should you be worried about it.

google doesn't know?? domain tools does, how could google not?

http://www.domaintools.com/reverse-ip/explorer.html

Mock NyaMout · 01-21-2011, 01:24 AM

Google is not the end all be all

Cyandin · 01-21-2011, 01:24 AM

It is a complete joke, and anybody who falls for this marketing gobbledygook has either been misled, or is a complete doofus.

Any hosts who tout themselves as "SEO Hosts" are blowing smoke up your ass, and really need to sit down and think of something less dubious to offer their clients.

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Moose · 01-21-2011, 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AzteK

google doesn't know?? domain tools does, how could google not?

http://www.domaintools.com/reverse-ip/explorer.html

I don't mean in a literal sense...sorry.
Meaning they don't define ips by classes.

Black All Through · 01-21-2011, 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antonio

Nope, you don't need separate class c ranges and if you have your domains spread over gazillion class C IPs, it won't make much of a difference to your SE positions.

Correct.

facialfreak · 01-21-2011, 03:12 AM

+1 for total poppycock

~Ray · 01-21-2011, 08:12 AM

it only matters if you are spreading the sites out to use as backlinks.

50 sites spread out over 50 class c ip's is better to receive backlinks from than 50 sites on the same class c ip.

However, if you are not using them for backlinks, I can't see what difference it will make.

woj · 01-21-2011, 08:31 AM

google knows damn well that 2 different ips on the same server actually belong to the same server... even an 8 year old script kiddie could work that out...

V_RocKs · 01-21-2011, 10:12 AM

My theory... and it is only a theory...

If you have a blog network and that is it. You don't need to spread them. Just trade with other blogs like usual and there would be no point in separating them all out on different class C's.

If your blogs are going to be expected to point to specific landing sites then you should separate them if they are going to be linking into your landing sites that won't be having those trades.

Why this theory? Because somebody once decided to create a massive amount of thumblogger and blogger.com blogs and linked those massive amounts into specific landing pages. Google caught wind of this and created something to stop it.

Some say Google put at least some weight on the IP's, but then that wouldn't work with blogger.com because the system uses more than one. So logically Google started seeing subdomains as one domain to some extent. Some algorithmic solution possibly sees subs as only .2 of a domain instead of being a fully completed domain or slides the scale down as more subs from a domain are added. So having 5 subs link into you from thumblogger is worth 1 full domain, but having 2000 is worth .2 of a domain because adding more removes the value instead of adding.

So do class C's even matter anymore? I can't say for sure except that I have all of my sites separated and all of my blogs and I can get #1's for some nice keywords for those sites just by linking into them from only my blogs. Does that have anything to do with my class C's?

Maybe... maybe not. But do you expect me to change that up when it ain't broken?

robwod · 01-21-2011, 10:30 AM

I've been in business now since 1996, and have been making sales on our network of sites ever since. I've also been selling links/hardlinks on our sites for nearly a decade, and without incident -- and up until about 3 years ago, on shared IP addresses.

The ONLY reason I pay extra for extended IP blocks and "class C's" now is that is easier to just pay for them rather than try to explain to a potential client it is not necessary at all unless you're trying to circumvent quality control measures in place at the SE's.

When you focus on relevance, and original content versus link schemes and trying to circumvent control measures, stuff like "multiple class C's" is just an expense and not a necessity. But again, it's simply easier to pay for the "C's" than to explain to people how it otherwise will not affect them on our network.

I just chalk it up these days to a business expense.

trevesty · 01-21-2011, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robwod

I've been in business now since 1996, and have been making sales on our network of sites ever since. I've also been selling links/hardlinks on our sites for nearly a decade, and without incident -- and up until about 3 years ago, on shared IP addresses.

The ONLY reason I pay extra for extended IP blocks and "class C's" now is that is easier to just pay for them rather than try to explain to a potential client it is not necessary at all unless you're trying to circumvent quality control measures in place at the SE's.

When you focus on relevance, and original content versus link schemes and trying to circumvent control measures, stuff like "multiple class C's" is just an expense and not a necessity. But again, it's simply easier to pay for the "C's" than to explain to people how it otherwise will not affect them on our network.

I just chalk it up these days to a business expense.

Pretty much what he said.

I've had 5 sites on the same network rank extremely well for some pretty competitive keywords..

one site: page 2 for "free porn videos" and a plethora of other terms.
site 2: "porn forum" and other related terms.
site 3: "nude babes", "sexy babes", and quite a few others.
etc...

Really only necessary if you're using XRumer + Scrapebox to generate your back links, and you're scraping content from elsewhere.

pornguy · 01-21-2011, 10:41 AM

To have spread out IP's is not a bad thing. but its not required either.

But there is sooo much more to it than just hosting.

EVERESS · 01-21-2011, 11:56 AM

Google is going to Find You no matter how far you spread out over the net.

Google has Legions of server nodes that can track and analyze any link cluster that develops. If the link cluster is relevant and the sites score well in the Popular Vote( the vote Google determines from the interactions of all site users ) things will go well.

If the Link Cluster
- Contains non-relevant links
- Develops links too quickly
- does not make sense in general

It will not matter how many C-Classes you spread across...

Bottom line is...

YOU WILL NEVER OUTRUN GOOGLEBOT!!!

Spend your time making quality sites that will score a High Popular Vote (return users... long time spent on the site).

KaliC · 01-21-2011, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCyber

If you're not doing anything black hat, do you really need ip's spread across separate class c ranges(so-called seo hosting)? Do you understand why, or even IF you need to do this?

Yes, Google announced like 5 years ago separate class c's have no effect and that they monitor the domains not the IP's for cross link cheating. It's as valuable as a wooden nickle.

Machete_ · 01-21-2011, 12:06 PM

is water wet?

Cyandin · 01-21-2011, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyandin

It is a complete joke, and anybody who falls for this marketing gobbledygook has either been misled, or is a complete doofus.

Any hosts who tout themselves as "SEO Hosts" are blowing smoke up your ass, and really need to sit down and think of something less dubious to offer their clients.

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QFT

jonnydoe · 01-21-2011, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

My theory... and it is only a theory...

If you have a blog network and that is it. You don't need to spread them. Just trade with other blogs like usual and there would be no point in separating them all out on different class C's.

If your blogs are going to be expected to point to specific landing sites then you should separate them if they are going to be linking into your landing sites that won't be having those trades.

Why this theory? Because somebody once decided to create a massive amount of thumblogger and blogger.com blogs and linked those massive amounts into specific landing pages. Google caught wind of this and created something to stop it.

Some say Google put at least some weight on the IP's, but then that wouldn't work with blogger.com because the system uses more than one. So logically Google started seeing subdomains as one domain to some extent. Some algorithmic solution possibly sees subs as only .2 of a domain instead of being a fully completed domain or slides the scale down as more subs from a domain are added. So having 5 subs link into you from thumblogger is worth 1 full domain, but having 2000 is worth .2 of a domain because adding more removes the value instead of adding.

So do class C's even matter anymore? I can't say for sure except that I have all of my sites separated and all of my blogs and I can get #1's for some nice keywords for those sites just by linking into them from only my blogs. Does that have anything to do with my class C's?

Maybe... maybe not. But do you expect me to change that up when it ain't broken?

V-Rocks. So with your theory are you saying that 5 would be the sweetspot when using free-hosted blogs and do you think that you should limit subdomains on your own sites to 5?

Sid70 · 01-21-2011, 03:21 PM

Yawn, i want to go to the sea shore.

webair · 01-21-2011, 03:21 PM

This sounds like a job for Bad Dog.

KillerK · 01-21-2011, 03:26 PM

you guys are trying to ruin unhappydogs business

2MuchMark · 01-21-2011, 03:26 PM

Google cares about RELEVANCY, CONTENT and BACKLINKS. If your content is relavant to keywords being searched, Google will send you that traffic because Google wants to give its usual outstanding service to the people who use it every day. Spreading things out over multuple IP's will not increase Google traffic and in fact might even hurt it.

Google even tells you what to do to get higher ranking. People should take the time to read what Google says before falling for this kind of thing.

czarina · 01-21-2011, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Ray

it only matters if you are spreading the sites out to use as backlinks.

50 sites spread out over 50 class c ip's is better to receive backlinks from than 50 sites on the same class c ip.

However, if you are not using them for backlinks, I can't see what difference it will make.

that's right

signupdamnit · 01-21-2011, 03:46 PM

In my experience it's largely a myth that you can't have many domains on one IP and do well with Google. However I'm thinking that in the event of a penalty of some sort for something else having multiple unassociated servers (not the same as just having different IP allocations on one server) can be a great thing to have. Who knows what Google is going to penalize next? Best to have things spread out.

TheSenator · 01-21-2011, 07:58 PM

SEO Hosting is a scam. Period!

pristine · 01-21-2011, 08:22 PM

Did this thread just kill gotwebhost completely?

BSleazy · 01-21-2011, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pristine

Did this thread just kill gotwebhost completely?

That's not my intention. I just think it's funny that so many people think they need to have every one of their sites on different ip's. There's a lot of huge networks that are all on the same ip that have great rankings.

baddog · 01-21-2011, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pristine

Did this thread just kill gotwebhost completely?

Not even. People that know the purpose don't have to be convinced. Those that don't I have no need or intent to convince.

PromoterX · 01-21-2011, 09:58 PM

You can have many great domains on one IP... Google, Bing and Yahoo don't care.

You just got to be patient and wait until your site makes it out of the sandbox. You know your in waiting mode when Googlebot keeps crawling your site daily. This can take a few weeks or a few months...

fris · 01-22-2011, 12:30 AM

google doesnt care about ips

cooldude7 · 01-22-2011, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fris

google doesnt care about ips

because nowadays hundreds of websites hosted on shared hosting and has same ip.

cordoba · 01-22-2011, 06:28 AM

I think Google probably does penalize a site with a significant percentage of backlinks coming from the same ip.

Having said that, I used to run a network of about 100 sites all on Lunarpages and heavily crosslinked and they all ranked highly in Google.

Barefootsies · 01-22-2011, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

Not even. People that know the purpose don't have to be convinced. Those that don't I have no need or intent to convince.

Supz · 01-22-2011, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyandin

It is a complete joke, and anybody who falls for this marketing gobbledygook has either been misled, or is a complete doofus.

Any hosts who tout themselves as "SEO Hosts" are blowing smoke up your ass, and really need to sit down and think of something less dubious to offer their clients.

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So you are saying that if you had 10 sites on 1 ip address you would give links back and forth between them and think google will give you link credit for that?

baddog · 01-22-2011, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supz

So you are saying that if you had 10 sites on 1 ip address you would give links back and forth between them and think google will give you link credit for that?

Many hosts that can not provide the service will always be the first to say it does not matter.

fris · 01-22-2011, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supz

So you are saying that if you had 10 sites on 1 ip address you would give links back and forth between them and think google will give you link credit for that?

lots of shared hosting share the same ips, google knows this.

AzteK · 01-22-2011, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cooldude7

because nowadays hundreds of websites hosted on shared hosting and has same ip.

What you fail to mention is that most of those sites that have the same IP and not linking with each other.

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Antonio Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Spartaaaaaaaaa Posts: 14,136	Nope, you don't need separate class c ranges and if you have your domains spread over gazillion class C IPs, it won't make much of a difference to your SE positions.

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01-22-2011, 06:28 AM	#34
cordoba Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,180	I think Google probably does penalize a site with a significant percentage of backlinks coming from the same ip. Having said that, I used to run a network of about 100 sites all on Lunarpages and heavily crosslinked and they all ranked highly in Google.