What the heck is up with Juggcash? - GoFuckYourself.com

whorehole · 01-28-2011, 12:09 PM

I'm doing PPS with juggcash, mostly mobile..

and suddenly today I've got $-625 for the day.. wtf?

How do you go negative with a PPS program?

I've emailed nick, but havent heard anything yet.. I can't imagine what they are going to say.

Anyone ever have PPS joins turn negative on you at juggcash- how is that even possible

tranza · 01-28-2011, 12:16 PM

Chargebacks.............

Agent 488 · 01-28-2011, 12:18 PM

welcome to 2011.

whorehole · 01-28-2011, 12:18 PM

On a PPS program?

Revshare, sure- but PPS isnt supposed to work that way

whorehole · 01-28-2011, 12:20 PM

For the record, Nick has gotten back to me

havent heard any news yet though

Davy · 01-28-2011, 12:29 PM

So what was the problem?

spazlabz · 01-28-2011, 12:30 PM

ouch down $625 in a day. The reason it is so much for a single day is because thats when the cards notified the banks. once a month and slammo!

I hope you get it resolved or worked out some way with them

Harmon · 01-28-2011, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whorehole

For the record, Nick has gotten back to me

havent heard any news yet though

rogue affiliate

whorehole · 01-28-2011, 12:38 PM

nicks been in touch, but havent gotten any news on whats up

A PPS program should not hit you with chargebacks. Thats why you give up your rebills.

Heh- i'm not "goin rogue" i just wanted to know if anyone was seeing the same thing or what

Frankthefreakintank · 01-28-2011, 12:48 PM

yeah ur not alone, I got the same thing today too for the first time ever. -25$ in jugcash.

Nick-Mindgeek · 01-28-2011, 12:58 PM

Hey Guys.

As stated above. Its a mass chargeback posting taking place but indeed PPS should not be affected.

Seems like PPS on mobile program is being removed but should not be.

We will add back all PPS funds that were removed in error.

Sorry for inconvenience!

Have a good weekend

Nick-Mindgeek · 01-28-2011, 01:03 PM

Also let me add that mountains of stuck rebills also pouring in today so those on revshare should see more rebills today.

So resume :

On mobile, chargebacks poured in today + rebills poured in even harder.

All PPS money lost is in error. All PPS funds charged back will be added once we have the totals per account!

FlexxAeon · 01-28-2011, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whorehole

...A PPS program should not hit you with chargebacks. Thats why you give up your rebills...

not to complain or take a programs side (i am an affiliate after all lol), just playing devils advocate here...to gain some insight on the mindset.

why aren't affiliate chargebacks or refunds acceptable on PPS?

is it because it's considered the programs 'fault' for not satisfying the customer?

seems to me that a sale is a sale. a chargeback or refund negates that sale. when i first got started i thought that PPS was of the mentality that 'we'll pay you $XX up front even on a $1 trial, because we'll possibly make more on the rebills'. so how do aff programs profit by taking all of the risk in PPS?

IllTestYourGirls · 01-28-2011, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

not to complain or take a programs side (i am an affiliate after all lol), just playing devils advocate here...to gain some insight on the mindset.

why aren't affiliate chargebacks or refunds acceptable on PPS?

is it because it's considered the programs 'fault' for not satisfying the customer?

seems to me that a sale is a sale. a chargeback or refund negates that sale. when i first got started i thought that PPS was of the mentality that 'we'll pay you $XX up front even on a $1 trial, because we'll possibly make more on the rebills'. so how do aff programs profit by taking all of the risk in PPS?

Because PPS usually is an about avg of what each member that signs up would make the affiliate, including rebills and charge backs. Thats what I always thought anyway.

FlexxAeon · 01-28-2011, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Because PPS usually is an about avg of what each member that signs up would make the affiliate, including rebills and charge backs. Thats what I always thought anyway.

so like if i was doing revshare and sent 2 sales..... customer A winds up spending $50 over time, customer B charges back everything. $25 bucks PPS.

ok i can see that

signupdamnit · 01-28-2011, 01:35 PM

I'm not a big Manwin fan but I have to give them credit for making this one right and having a decent payment reputation.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon

not to complain or take a programs side (i am an affiliate after all lol), just playing devils advocate here...to gain some insight on the mindset.

why aren't affiliate chargebacks or refunds acceptable on PPS?

is it because it's considered the programs 'fault' for not satisfying the customer?

seems to me that a sale is a sale. a chargeback or refund negates that sale. when i first got started i thought that PPS was of the mentality that 'we'll pay you $XX up front even on a $1 trial, because we'll possibly make more on the rebills'. so how do aff programs profit by taking all of the risk in PPS?

Yes but many PPS programs are now doing the hidden cross sale (not sure about Juggcash) thing. When a surfer sees $150 in charges they are usually going to charge back everything on the basis of it being fraudulent not just the cross sales. That's not fair to the affiliate since the customer likely would have never charged back if it weren't for the deceptive XS. If the affiliate is sending fraudulent signups then they should be canned from the program. Taking away CBs on PPS is bullshit. I don't care what anyone says.

Far-L · 01-28-2011, 01:38 PM

I think a lot of programs changed to passing the chargebacks on to the responsible affiliates since massive chargebacks are also usually associated with fraudulent cards which I am definitely NOT saying is the case with this affiliate.

But the logic from the program's perspective definitely is "if you brought a sale that wasn't a sale then you shouldn't get paid while we get penalized by the credit card company and possibly lose our merch account"

Pros and cons to both sides of the fence, program or affiliate.

FlexxAeon · 01-28-2011, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I'm not a big Manwin fan but I have to give them credit for making this one right and having a decent payment reputation.

Yes but many PPS programs are now doing the hidden cross sale (not sure about Juggcash) thing. When a surfer sees $150 in charges they are usually going to charge back everything on the basis of it being fraudulent, not just the cross sales. That's not fair to the affiliate since the customer likely would have never charged back if it weren't for the deceptive XS. If the affiliate is sending fraudulent signups then they should be canned from the program. Taking away CBs on PPS is bullshit. I don't care what anyone says.

well the cross sale/mega PPS shit definitely isn't what i was referring to lol. sorry shoulda made that clear. i meant 'reasonable' PPS

whorehole · 01-28-2011, 01:51 PM

As the originator of this post, I would just like to say thanks and kudos to Nick for being so on top of this ;)

Re: how PPS should work vs revshare, assuming the affiliate is not doing anything fraudulent (I'm not of course)

PPS is like getting an upfront average of what your traffic can produce. You may bring in some whales that rebill for a year, and you may bring in some jackwads that chargeback after 2 days. With PPS, the program comes up with a price per sale that makes them feel comfortable with the risk to reward.

Revshare is simply a partnership split and whatever happens, happens to everyone involved. Get a whale, everyone gets a piece, get a chargeback, everyone gets a piece.. etc

alias · 01-28-2011, 01:57 PM

No deductions on pps is how it should be, at least brazzers pays.

FlexxAeon · 01-28-2011, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whorehole

As the originator of this post, I would just like to say thanks and kudos to Nick for being so on top of this ;)

Re: how PPS should work vs revshare, assuming the affiliate is not doing anything fraudulent (I'm not of course)

PPS is like getting an upfront average of what your traffic can produce. You may bring in some whales that rebill for a year, and you may bring in some jackwads that chargeback after 2 days. With PPS, the program comes up with a price per sale that makes them feel comfortable with the risk to reward.

Revshare is simply a partnership split and whatever happens, happens to everyone involved. Get a whale, everyone gets a piece, get a chargeback, everyone gets a piece.. etc

gracias to you and IllTest for the schooling.

DWB · 01-28-2011, 02:29 PM

First they stole all the videos.

Next they came for your sales.

;-)

Chosen · 01-28-2011, 04:55 PM

Negative PPS

{Psycho} · 01-28-2011, 06:40 PM

Strange

BIGTYMER · 01-28-2011, 06:50 PM

They have expensive cars to pay for dude!

cooldude7 · 01-29-2011, 01:10 AM

this is new
mine is fine.,

Icy · 01-29-2011, 04:09 AM

-$60 for me too yesterday, also on PPS... but good to red it was just an error and will be returned back.

punkpred · 01-29-2011, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neeko

Hey Guys.

As stated above. Its a mass chargeback posting taking place but indeed PPS should not be affected.

Seems like PPS on mobile program is being removed but should not be.

We will add back all PPS funds that were removed in error.

Sorry for inconvenience!

Have a good weekend

I have the same issue with PPS Nick
Sent you an email with details

Nick-Mindgeek · 01-29-2011, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by punkpred

I have the same issue with PPS Nick
Sent you an email with details

Got it.

We will issue back all PPS that was removed on mobile program mistakenly on MOnday!

01-28-2011, 12:09 PM	#1
whorehole Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 299	What the heck is up with Juggcash? I'm doing PPS with juggcash, mostly mobile.. and suddenly today I've got $-625 for the day.. wtf? How do you go negative with a PPS program? I've emailed nick, but havent heard anything yet.. I can't imagine what they are going to say. Anyone ever have PPS joins turn negative on you at juggcash- how is that even possible

01-28-2011, 12:16 PM	#2
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	Chargebacks............. __________________ I'm just a newbie.

01-28-2011, 12:29 PM	#6
Davy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 4,323	So what was the problem? __________________ --- ICQ 14-76-98 <-- I don't use this at all

01-28-2011, 12:38 PM	#9
whorehole Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 299	nicks been in touch, but havent gotten any news on whats up A PPS program should not hit you with chargebacks. Thats why you give up your rebills. Heh- i'm not "goin rogue" i just wanted to know if anyone was seeing the same thing or what Last edited by whorehole; 01-28-2011 at 12:39 PM..

01-28-2011, 12:48 PM	#10
Frankthefreakintank Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Montreal Posts: 156	yeah ur not alone, I got the same thing today too for the first time ever. -25$ in jugcash. __________________ looking for good hardlink trades email- [email protected]

01-28-2011, 12:18 PM	#3
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	welcome to 2011.

01-28-2011, 12:20 PM	#5
whorehole Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 299	For the record, Nick has gotten back to me havent heard any news yet though

01-28-2011, 12:30 PM	#7
spazlabz Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Kentucky Posts: 6,548	ouch down $625 in a day. The reason it is so much for a single day is because thats when the cards notified the banks. once a month and slammo! I hope you get it resolved or worked out some way with them

01-28-2011, 12:58 PM	#11
Nick-Mindgeek Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Montreal Posts: 700	Hey Guys. As stated above. Its a mass chargeback posting taking place but indeed PPS should not be affected. Seems like PPS on mobile program is being removed but should not be. We will add back all PPS funds that were removed in error. Sorry for inconvenience! Have a good weekend __________________ Senior Director nick @ Adultforce.com

01-28-2011, 01:03 PM	#12
Nick-Mindgeek Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Montreal Posts: 700	Also let me add that mountains of stuck rebills also pouring in today so those on revshare should see more rebills today. So resume : On mobile, chargebacks poured in today + rebills poured in even harder. All PPS money lost is in error. All PPS funds charged back will be added once we have the totals per account! __________________ Senior Director nick @ Adultforce.com

01-28-2011, 01:38 PM	#17
Far-L Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,075	I think a lot of programs changed to passing the chargebacks on to the responsible affiliates since massive chargebacks are also usually associated with fraudulent cards which I am definitely NOT saying is the case with this affiliate. But the logic from the program's perspective definitely is "if you brought a sale that wasn't a sale then you shouldn't get paid while we get penalized by the credit card company and possibly lose our merch account" Pros and cons to both sides of the fence, program or affiliate. __________________ HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982. Contact - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

01-28-2011, 01:51 PM	#19
whorehole Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 299	As the originator of this post, I would just like to say thanks and kudos to Nick for being so on top of this ;) Re: how PPS should work vs revshare, assuming the affiliate is not doing anything fraudulent (I'm not of course) PPS is like getting an upfront average of what your traffic can produce. You may bring in some whales that rebill for a year, and you may bring in some jackwads that chargeback after 2 days. With PPS, the program comes up with a price per sale that makes them feel comfortable with the risk to reward. Revshare is simply a partnership split and whatever happens, happens to everyone involved. Get a whale, everyone gets a piece, get a chargeback, everyone gets a piece.. etc Last edited by whorehole; 01-28-2011 at 01:57 PM..

01-28-2011, 01:57 PM	#20
alias aliasx Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 19,010	No deductions on pps is how it should be, at least brazzers pays. __________________ https://porncorporation.com

01-28-2011, 02:29 PM	#22
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	First they stole all the videos. Next they came for your sales. ;-)

01-28-2011, 04:55 PM	#23
Chosen VIPPay.com \| AdultWebSponsors.com Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 63,151	Negative PPS

01-28-2011, 06:40 PM	#24
{Psycho} Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Money Posts: 612	Strange __________________ Quality Offshore VPS & Dedicated Servers Earn 65$ per Signups

01-28-2011, 06:50 PM	#25
BIGTYMER Junior Achiever Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Walled Garden Posts: 17,066	They have expensive cars to pay for dude!

01-29-2011, 01:10 AM	#26
cooldude7 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Heaven Posts: 4,306	this is new mine is fine.,

01-29-2011, 04:09 AM	#27
Icy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 864	-$60 for me too yesterday, also on PPS... but good to red it was just an error and will be returned back. __________________ Kimia: Make money with mobile traffic, both adult and mainstream Skype: sinlords - ICQ: 83-235-881 email: ivan at kimia.mobi Last edited by Icy; 01-29-2011 at 04:11 AM..