DVTimes

by the way, stop thinking of ble-rays as a better version of dvd. its much more than that.

dvd was a higher quality version of vhs. it did much what vhs did but a bit better.

blu-ray is a huge jump.

its ideal for porn. more so than dvd.

at the moment the real film industry has problems with it. in the sense that they make films to be projected to a big screen. this means no options.

but for us, we want to make it for tv's.

this is exsiting.

unlike a film on vhs, dvd, or in truth on your pc, you can do much more with blue-ray.

for a start its much easer to have different angel options. or vid in vid option (where you watch the film but can click to see in the corner another angel).

it means that if somone doesa upload to a tube site. they will loose all these options.

plkus many blu-ray boxes are conected to wi-fi, so you can add interactive systems to it.

so you could as you watch the film, press a button and conects to say the web. mabe webcam or somthing.

one option may be to have softwear built into the disc that will only let you play the film if your a member of the site. to me that would suck. but it may be an option. as in you could send the disks out to peoiple free, they can watch for five mins but then it askes you to join to see the rest. a bit like aol sending out millions of disks free. thney made a fortune doing that.

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a nich market can easily be worth millions.

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TheDA

Forget about just uploading it to tubes. All interactivity, different angles etc will still be available as a direct download.

Remember, these were about before the tubes and have a huge following with repeat surfers.

DVTimes

also playboy mags did not die, they were just replaced.

ie, they were in between being porn and lads mags.

many porn mags came out, taking there porn market.

then (in the uk) lots and lots of lads mags came out, and i belive many still do great sales. but they also have topless (and nude i think) girls in them. but they are also full of content.

playboy just sat and did not adapt.

almost like 'woolworths' in the uk. they had a place years agfo, but other shops came along and did the bits they did much better. such as toy'r'us did toys, lots of shops did houshold goods. in the end they did not change and simply lost ground.

if playboy mag had gone more lads mag, and filed it up with lots of daft stories, it would be doing well. plus to be honest as they were classed as porn, in the uk is was not easy to find as not many shops stocked it. lads mags are in every supermarket.

but even shops that sold hard core mags did not always sell playboy as they viewed it too soft and wanted to only sell hard core mags.

but i can go in most supermarkets in the uk that sells mags and often i see people picking up lads mags.

its just playboy grew too big and lost touch with people.

and to be honest i think the only reason it got popular was at the time there were little or no porn mags and they sold as a sort of 'not a dirty' porn mag.

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then again no reason they could not get a firm outside the usa or uk to deal with shipment.

ie, you make the content, and they deal with customers and burning the disks.

a bit like most people do not deal with payment, they leave such as ccbill to do it.

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Kiopa_Matt

"Hey honey, your tranny sluts DVD came in the mail today!"

Or even better, "God damnit Jordan! You're only 13! Quit using my credit card, and having these DVDs of bondage sex sent to our home!"

Yep, definitely a good idea.

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Paul Markham

So the customer will wait a week to get his DVD. Dream on.

You will then be in the realms of competing with a few other companies based in Holland already doing it. Don't you think if I thought it would work I would of done it from here in CZ?

But it will ultimately rely on the quality of the porn your selling. Getting someone to buy once and only once is a fail.

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DVTimes

you have to understand the power a blu-ray gives.

think this way, a blu-ray is like a BMW. its powerfull. Done right it can blow you away.

A website can do a lot, but its like a Lada.

In other words put a ble-ray onto your tv and sit back with perfect quality. then throw in all the options for the person. a click of a button he can switch angels, mabe opt for 3d, or listen to it in french, german and so on. mabe zoom in.

now with a pc, he is having to mess about looking at tiny vids. even if it fills his monitor its not as big as his plasma. switching options may take time, site may crash or run slow.

sure he can plug his pc into his tv, but most peoplew will not bother.

he then has that film to keep. he collects them.

but on the website, sure he sees the odd update each week, but thinks, i have seen it now. time to cancell. mabe re-join for a month in a years time to get the new updates.

heck a lot of people join with the free join or $3 trial option, just to download then leave.

the truth is at the end of the day, tubes and forums are full of content. sales are way down. people do not see membership to a site as a worthwile investment.

i am simply sugesting giving them somthing that they see as a worthwile investment.

I surer would prefer to have somthing solid for $20 per month than just access to a site for $20 that just has a few new clips each month.

it may not work as an option for all sites, but for some i could see it doing huge.

putr it this way, i joined actiongirls site on tial. i downloaded the films in one day so i cancelled. i watched them afterwords. they were ok, but i just thought as i watched them, these surew would be great on a big tv. on a small screen, they sort of were not as good as they could have been.

and there are a lot of sites that i have seen there films and i do often think, these films loose so much by being small crappy clips. it almost makes them worthless. and thats simply becase on a pc they loose the quality.

i have seen stuff that some sites make that are amazing, if they were on big tv's.

even my own stuiff looks a millions times better put direct onto a tv.

in truth some sites should be realy proud of the content they make. its oustanding. its such a shame its put into a small file.

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DVTimes

people subscribe to porn mags now and have done for years.

and people still order dvd porn via the post.

so your argument does not stands water.

plus surly the 13 year old oirdering films would probably find it easer to join a paysite?

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And there is the main reason this idea wouldn't work (Plus the fact that people love the anonymity of the internet and don't want their wives and kids finding discs full of porn)

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AdultKing

This thread reminds me of a great saying... "Don't argue with idiots" :D

TheDA

I know the power of blu-ray. I have 3 blu-ray players in the house that I use fairly frequently.

What I am saying is, send a blu-ray to me via post, I can upload it easily and make it available again for anyone that wants to download and watch/burn it, on any size screen, with all of the interactivity that was there at the beginning, minus any encrypted, names and addresses etc.

That is the exact same for many of the habitual uploaders I would say.

TheDA

What pricing do you suggest for each blu ray? How much content are you planning on putting on it each month.

DVTimes

with all due respect paul, by you saying that shows you do not understand porn at all.

for years people have subscribed to porn mags they get each month.

one of the things with porn films is people collect them. many firms such as ben dover have found if a customer likes your film, they go out and buy all of them and will be happy to weight to get the latest one.

people love to collect films.

its not about instant want. for that they go to tuibe sites.

this is about a customer wanting your product and making your product worth somthing.

1 customer of this method could easily be worth say 20 customers who join a pay site. why? well chances are those 20 will stay a month then leave.

that 1 customer may become a customer for years, not to mention ordering the back orders.

its about standing up and saying my prduct is good, its great, its worth somthing.

To be honest over the years most sites seem to have been bullied by affiliates to just give the content away, sell it for $1 trials. Basicly de-value the site.

In the uk a certain french beer was not doing well. The solution, make it expensive and add value to it. It now sells much more.

Its about making your brand value.

To be honest with my sdurfer hat on, i look at the web and think sod it, all your content in free all over. i look on a tube for a bit then i am happy. i do not look and think wow thats great i must join the site. i do not even think about it. why?

well tube sites not only give your films away free. they do it in a way it looks rubbish. the tube sites are full of adds, pop up, looks yuck.

Think this way. If you sell a brand of purfume, do you want some twit on a market stall giving ouyt free samples, and your garage selling it. No. you want the top shops to sell it. you also do not want them to sell it cheap. in fact you may want them to sell it more than you competitor. and you realy do not want them selling 2 for one or half price offer. you want it to be of value.

and so too with your content.

any burk can promote your site on any old free host. suure you may think great they can get loads of hits. but if the surfer sees it looking rubish, it makes your brand look rubbish.

for too long websites have been like bmw's but noit selling like bmw's, but instead like scrap car firms.

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most people have porn in there house.

my dad used to tell everyone he was anti porn when he went to church, though i found a huge box of porn vhs's tapes. i used to rent them out when i was at school.

but as i say most people hgave porn dvd's these days.

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You clearly don't

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of couse its possible.

but as i say its only one disk they can upload.

i suspect most pirates join a site for a month and cancell and grab all your content. plus i suspect they use a false address if not a stolen credit card.

if they have to use a real address i am sure this lowers the risk.

as i say if they have the option of joining a pay site to grab all the content or buy a disc. which do you think they are most likly to do to pirate content.

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TheDA

Why is that any different from a good, quality paysite? Why would he remain a customer getting a blu-ray each month and not a paysite with updates each month?

TheDA

It's not only one disk though. It's all of your disks that can be uploaded. If it is something worth having, it is worth uploading.

You have no way from the uploaded content itself of knowing who uploaded it.

These uploaders are not solo operatives, they work together a lot of the time and share the burden of uploads.

DVTimes

the way i would see it, is about the same price as normall mebership for a site. while there is a few $ cost per disk i would imagine this would only be a around the same cost per disc as say per cost of what a website member would cost (such as badwidth/server/security/and so on).

I would see it as a singel film in hd per month.

So lets say you have a solo girl site. Lets call her Lady Sue.

So they would do a high quality film of her. They may shoot from different angels. They may include a film about the shoot. Mavbe an interview with Lady Sue. She may say what she has been up to that month.

It could incude a few pics.

Mabe a quiz.

In fact you could see some sites doing far less shoots per month. If you do say 5 shoots a moth, you could reduce this to 1.

Of couse you could do more than one film on a disc.

Aso you could do non porn stuff such as do a review film of a new car or gadget. You could get Lady Sue to do it.

Of course big sites may juyst stick to porn.

Its a new dimenshion.

In truth I think it would lower costs but make more cash.

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Exactly. And if you want to stop members downloading all the content of a site and sharing it, then only give them access to that month's updates. But then no-one would join them, although in DVT's case that's a moot point.

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they can be, but that means the meber buying all the disks. now if you add the customers details into the film, a simple option would be to add it into a few frames that unless you go frame by frame you would not spot so it would make editing out impossible. but you would but a warning on the disc to imporm the customer of this.

this way if you do find your film online it makes it easer to stop. with luck he will have only ordered 1 or two films.

again unlike going on your site and downloading all your content.

at least even if he does order all your content you have made more cash that say if he joined per month.

plus as i say your firms would be reduced in quality for tubes plus all the sexy extras such as different angels removed. unlike downloading from your site where its simply trasnfered.

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becase if he joines a paysite he has got everything for a sigle months membership. and often people know this and cancell. they somtimes return once a year.

but with a disk they only get a film. but its a solid product. they see it as value. they see somthing they can hold for $20 far more than somthing online for $20.

Think of the music industry.

when music was on records, and (not as much) cd's people felt it was worth somthing. they would buy all there artists music.

On mp's people see no value. and often feel no reason to buy it.

Plus newspapers now give away free cd's of music.

music has lost its value now.

Its about creating value in your product.

i belive you run a strip club. in truth people could watch online. but they want to go and pay in front of the girl as its real. its a product they see value in. they could watch online but its not the same.

do you see what i am saying?

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TheDA

How would you add details for each of the members to each DVD that you send out each month, and track it?

bronco67

Instead of coming up with all of these gimmicks, why not focus on making some good porn? Not directed at the OP, just porn producers in general. Good product sells itself.

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becase its not a solid product.

but that said many sites sell per film not whole content.

a lot of sites do well doing this.

we have clips 4 sale and such.

and in the uk strictly broadband, that sells per film, and i am not sure you can even save it to watch in a years time. but i may be wrong on that.

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TheDA

Where are you getting all this shit from? You don't think that music downloads are bigger than any previous medium for music ever was by comparison?

If you had actual figures instead of just what you believe, then your argument might stand more ground with me.

DVTimes

i am sure somone could create a bit of softwear that would simply add a few frames or digitlaly enter the address into each film from a database as the films are burnt to blu-ray.

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becase its now free on tube sites and on forums, but we all seem to stick our heads inh the sand and pretend its not a fact.

if we predend hard enogh we hope it will go away.

but it does not.

sorry.

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DVTimes

sales mnay be higher, but its not seen as value.

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tracking may not be easy inless somone develops some code to do this thats inserted into the film.

but one simple option is to offer say a $50 reward.

A lot of people would be happy to report a stolen film, and as i say if you can get there info from it you can send them a nice big bill. at very least stop there membership and tell other sites of them to stop them becoming a member again.

plus i am not sure they would want people to download films with there details in it. i do not think you would want millions of people downloading a film with your name and address in it.

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TheDA

If you manage to get someone to do that for you so that it cannot be removed again then that will make you much more money than porn ever will

DVTimes

even for pay sites i have said before if you could insert the members address and name into it. they would not post a film again. it would kill pirate films dead. no one wants others to have there name and adrress on a tube site. they only post as they think know one knows who they are. its a game changer when people do.

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TheDA

I would fucking love to see you in front of the Dragons on Dragon's Den with this.

You are fucking clueless.

I'm out.

BFT3K

If something like .xxx marginalizes online porn, then DVDs will be back.

Porn will always be around, no matter what.

I also think a lot of my stuff is actually soft enough to travel by mail without too much worry.

All contingencies are worth thinking about....

DVTimes

i would think it easer to do this for buring a disc as its just a case of taking the info say from a data base then as the disc is burnt its inserted into it.

it may be harder for say a pay site as it would probably slow the download of films up as each download would have to be generated each time.

if your burning disks, even if it takes a few days to do a whole batch, so what. as its only done say once a moth. and as i say i am sure firms would offer this service.

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DVTimes

under your own argument you would close your strip clubs and put them online.

yet people go to them.

thus showing the internet is not all the answer, but just one answer.

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What if I hacked your pass to a site and posted the content on sites? You would then be the one to blame as it would have your info on it.

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you bring up a good point.

i suspect as years go on, it will be harder to sell porn.

somone told me that on '3' mobile phone network (UK) they charge you £5 per month to access any porn site on your phone.

I suspect some isp's will do the same. Its a great way to increase revenue and also cut down peoples web use.

and clealy more tube sites and forums will open with more stolen content.

to be honest, in the last few months i keep thinking of simply opening a few pirated tube sites. join all your sites, nick your content and upload. slam a few dating banners up. sit back, watch the cash role in. most of you seem content for tube sites to do this these days.

and then post why we should promote your site.

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TheDA

Burning is the easy part, it can be done now. It can also be removed again.

DVTimes

to be honest i use a good security system.

these days i think if a site is secure it makes it harder to hack a site.

even if you hacked a site, often it will detent its coming from a different location and auto block you.

but again as i said online its not easy. and as you say there are problems. plus the problem thaty people may be ablel to access all the customers details.

so yes your correct to say online is a pain.

this is why i said burning to blu-ray cuts out all the problems.

in other words your surporting the logic of selling via blu-ray over online content.

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TheDA

What you going on about? Strip clubs?

BFT3K

I have affiliates that promote my network via blogs and creative sites, and I have some that promote via tubes.

The non-tube affiliates sell rings around the idiotic tube site promotions!

Tube sites are where surfers go for FREE PORN!

Tubes DO NOT convert in any way that makes a lick of sense....

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It seems the "golden times" of Internet porn have passed. Good luck trying to make more money in these difficult Internet porn times.

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as i say if put into frames, its not easy to remove.

ie, you would need to go frame by frame to find it.

its like on tv, they for fun put rude words or pics into a tv show. you never see it as its so quick. its only seen when done frame by frame.

they used to do this with betty boo cartoons. the odd frame had x rated betty boo pics.

no pirate is going to spend 100 hours plus going frame by frame on a film. it would also be insderted at random places.

plus the pirate would not be sure if its been inserted in code format too.

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you could even add thge address tiny within say a small area.

so not only would you have to go frame by frame, but zoom into each frame.

like an electronic micro dot.

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TheDA

How much time have you or an agent of yours spent in the past 6 months sending out DMCA or equivalent for your content?

TheDA

All easily overcome with automation I'm afraid.