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Loki · 04-14-2011, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank21

i like awesome bargains but you are not online on either yahoo or msn

Yahoo: georgewpuppet

MSN: [email protected]

Just let me know you're from this thread

-Loki-

Loki · 04-14-2011, 07:04 PM

I'm gonna call it a night for now, it's been a loooong day for sure!

I'd like to thank everyone for their kind words and leads and to Frank21: I hope you liked your "awesome bargain"

One thing got taken care of today, but I'm DEFF not out of the woods just yet, so this "Help Me Sale Thread" will remain up and running for at least the next day or two, IF you missed out today MAKE SURE you post / email / ICQ me when you read this thread so you don't miss out on the "Crazy Eddie" style prices I'm offering lol.

To those I spoke with today about micro jobs and content reselling I'll get with you in the AM when I wake up and get back to the grind, I MAY get more done tonight before my cold meds knock me out but no promises lol.

Let's keep this thread on page one till I get back ok folks?

-Loki-

wdsguy · 04-14-2011, 09:45 PM

Check out the local soup kitchens, churches - that should help you on the food front.

baddog · 04-14-2011, 10:03 PM

Don't need any content, but I can give you a bump.

Loki · 04-15-2011, 08:10 AM

Good morning all, Back to the first page we go!

I'm working on a few micro jobs right now, but STILL deff need some more sales or more micro jobs!

-Loki-

Loki · 04-15-2011, 11:15 AM

We seem to be lacking in bumps today

Lets KEEP this puppy on page 1

-Loki-

RyuLion · 04-15-2011, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by $hurik

http://market.adultcentro.com

Loki · 04-15-2011, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RyuLion

I found 60 sets of unreleased content that I'm wrapping up the postwork on right now and then I will be contacting them as well as a few other people that offered to help sell my stuff.

As I mentioned earlier in the thread the current packages on my store can not be resold via 3rd parties because I have an exclusive resell contract in place already.

But anything NOT on my store at this moment can be sold anywhere

-Loki-

suesheboy · 04-15-2011, 12:22 PM

Your work is awesome and if you can't make a living with that quality, I can't see how anyone can make a living on that niche.

Loki · 04-15-2011, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by suesheboy

Your work is awesome and if you can't make a living with that quality, I can't see how anyone can make a living on that niche.

Thanks, Things would be totally diff if I never had to shut down / sell my sites back in 2007, and ever since then I've never really had the working capital to relaunch a new program / sites.

Long story short on that for those who might not remember....

For years I and others hosted with a company "Lelahosting" they CLAIMED and APPEARED to be a 100% legit hosting company with a datacenter, techs, support team etc etc

I personally paid for monthly backups and a dedicated server that hosted my paysite network, another server (shared) / (semi-dedi) was used for the program site and affil content / promos

All the sudden ALL the sites vanished, and wm boards were FILLED with people with the same issues, Long story short, Lelahosting was nothing more then a reseller who stopped paying their upstream, pocketed a shitload of money (they had a big sale the week before) and ALL of us lost pretty much everything, there were NEVER any backups like I paid for, etc etc etc

We managed to get the upstream provider to open up the boxes so we could TRY and get our data back, they gave us a 12 hour window to grab as much as we could, however they could not tell us WHEN those 12 hours would start or stop, I managed to get all of my content sets and tours, and some of my promo stuff, but ALL my custom backend scripts were lost or damaged.

In the end I had the choice of either starting over from scratch, risk loosing affils and damaging my name OR sell off and retire, I chose the later but the retire part never came lol.

Fast forward to today, and company 2 company sales are JUST not what they used to be, people are being allot tighter with their "purse strings" and what DOES sell is bulk cheap deals, and I can't work for 30 days to make a package and then sell it for $50.00 like some people would love me to do lol.

I would LOVE to relaunch a sponsor program and paysites and I know for a fact I could make a nice living for myself AND my affils, but without the money to pay the bills while I'm making the sites and promo stuff it's just not gonna happen.

-Loki-

suesheboy · 04-15-2011, 02:20 PM

LOKI with the quality of what you do SOMEONE stop up the the plate that has scripts for a pay site and works on a partnership with you, or works out a deal where they can collect most of the revenue with heavy interest until you pay them off?

- LOL - · 04-15-2011, 02:27 PM

sending positive vibes

Agent 488 · 04-15-2011, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by suesheboy

LOKI with the quality of what you do SOMEONE stop up the the plate that has scripts for a pay site and works on a partnership with you, or works out a deal where they can collect most of the revenue with heavy interest until you pay them off?

good idea.

Loki · 04-15-2011, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suesheboy

LOKI with the quality of what you do SOMEONE stop up the the plate that has scripts for a pay site and works on a partnership with you, or works out a deal where they can collect most of the revenue with heavy interest until you pay them off?

In a perfect world that would work out great, however I've TRIED that in the past and so far it has never worked out the way it was expressed or intended.

I'm far from a control freak or a nit picker, BUT there are certain ways that things NEED to be done, and I've found that in this industry I've yet to find anyone (anyone with the capital that is lol) that shares my "vision" or "ideas"

It would be GREAT if someone actually SAW and UNDERSTOOD the potential that sits in my content AND my brain and would fund the launch as a silent partner.

For example....

Silent partner/investor provides me with $6k USD

That allows me to sit back (relaxed) and create the first 5 niche paysites and sponsor program site and promo materials needed to do a decent launch of the program and sites

That money would also cover the backend CMS I want to use, the Visa fee and hosting for a good chunk of time, as well as some ad revenue for the launch.

After a few months (prolly 2-3 months) the sites and program could launch and the silent partner investor could collect say 60% of all sales until thier $6k has been recouped (plus whatever overage interest they wanted to tack on)

Once they have been paid off in full they would exit OR if they wished to invest in another project (like my mobile apps for example) a new deal could be established.

THAT would be a perfect fit for myself and a silent investor.

My biggest hurdle is I CAN'T sit here 18-20 hours a day creating the content, sites, promos, recruit affils and make trade deals without an incoming revenue to keep the bills paid here, which is why I've never been able to reopen my own program and sites, I've come close, but then a family crisis pops up and my nest egg gets sucked dry.

Gotta love it, Takes money to make money, and I lack the main ingredient "Capital"

-Loki-

suesheboy · 04-15-2011, 03:17 PM

Wake Up.

Give up on ideas and visions. Let someone use your content and their programing effort to build a site, overpay them and when you are done paying them back, change it to what you want - or better still, if they are any good have them share in your vision and work with you on the redesign as you now know their capabilities and they know they will be paid back.

Let them build you a site while you are working at McDonald's. Who gives a fuck. You know you will be out of there as soon as the site is done and paid off.

The more you sell your content, the more you are diluting your unique value.

You got into this mess but having the fatally poor business decision to not adhere to rule 1 in computers that every novice learns in computer, businesses and life 101 - back it up, have more than 1 backup, and have backups located far off site as well.

You are an artist and a good one. Not a business person.

I know you have been thrown curve balls that would knock anyone down. Drop the ego, settle for less (on this go round), work hard to find a partner, write a contract so expectations are in line and there are no surprises, live up to it and work with a partner that will do the same. When they are paid off, and when you have bankrolled enough, then you can "sit back" and redesign your sites along with apps or whatever else you want to do.

You are going to die on this treadmill otherwise.

Many of the best artists in the world die broke. Don't be one of them.

I would give anything to have your talent.

Start working on finding someone to work with today.

selena · 04-15-2011, 03:32 PM

I remember that Lelahosting thing. Lots of people on another board got burned by them.

Loki · 04-15-2011, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by suesheboy

Wake Up.

Give up on ideas and visions. Let someone use your content and their programing effort to build a site, overpay them and when you are done paying them back, change it to what you want - or better still, if they are any good have them share in your vision and work with you on the redesign as you now know their capabilities and they know they will be paid back.

Let them build you a site while you are working at McDonald's. Who gives a fuck. You know you will be out of there as soon as the site is done and paid off.

The more you sell your content, the more you are diluting your unique value.

You got into this mess but having the fatally poor business decision to not adhere to rule 1 in computers that every novice learns in computer, businesses and life 101 - back it up, have more than 1 backup, and have backups located far off site as well.

You are an artist and a good one. Not a business person.

I know you have been thrown curve balls that would knock anyone down. Drop the ego, settle for less (on this go round), work hard to find a partner, write a contract so expectations are in line and there are no surprises, live up to it and work with a partner that will do the same. When they are paid off, and when you have bankrolled enough, then you can "sit back" and redesign your sites along with apps or whatever else you want to do.

You are going to die on this treadmill otherwise.

Many of the best artists in the world die broke. Don't be one of them.

I would give anything to have your talent.

Start working on finding someone to work with today.

Actually, I am in fact BOTH an artist AND a business person lol, I've ran MANY successful businesses over the years both on and offline, and I did in fact live and breath the "back it up" rules, but no matter how many backups you have you can not control equipment / media failures or down right fuckovers by 3rd parties.

Without actually knowing me (the real me not just what little info I post to a forum) you have no way of knowing what I've done over the years or what I've been through, I've never been one to brag so very few really do know those things, so I don't fault you on your opinions or observations of me and my situation.

Truth be told I had a shitload of money but I lost it all bailing out family, some here might remember when I sold off my offline biz and my house to move to the woods and take care of my grandmother, I blew through over $40k of my savings saving the lake house from foreclosure due to back taxes and missed mortgage payments not too mention a shitload of checking issues because people were taking advantage of a senile women (my grandmother)

When it was all over, my father put her in a home and stole the cottage out from under me, and I was literally left with my clothes and my computers (Thanks Dad) forced to couch surf the next few years and TRY to rebuild my savings, but without that nest egg I had it's been a bitch to say the least.

I have also done exactly what you've suggested, (Having someone do it all for me) and it just did not work out, with this niche you can NOT throw out the ideas and visions and just do it like you would with "real" content, and my "vision / ideas" were ignored and the results were well... shit lol

One thing I KNOW about this industry is the toon market, I have LIVED it since 1999, I've watched and tracked the trends, and I know EXACTLY what the surfers want AND what will KEEP them recurring month after month, year after year, I've shared parts of this little pearl with other companies and they have ALL ignored it, and THAT is where my "ace in the hole" has always come into play, My sites will feature AND Promote what the other sites just refuse to do. (But then again THAT is the core difference between an Artists paysites and a Companies "cookie cutter" paysite.

I've spent years trying to educate companies on how they SHOULD handle their toon sites, I've created a network of toon artists and TRIED (and failed) to get companies on board with that network to get the various toon companies to network with eachother to share tips and tricks and artists, but in the end they are just too greedy and or worried about loosing a sale or two, From a business standpoint it made perfect sense to me to have a community of artists and companies working together to make all their sites bigger and better. (you'd be surprised how many artists had / have NO IDEA they could SELL their content to a porn company, they just sit on fan board making single images for "fans" and thought that's all there was too it. and as for that network I did not control it, I did not own it and the plug was pulled so now it's gone lol

And as for selling my content over and over, that's also not an issue, unlike other content sellers NONE of my packages have or will be sold more then 10 times, and above and beyond that, I only sell a portion of what I've created, I have a great stockpile of exclusive never sold content that will be the backbone of my own sites, I've NEVER been one to sell "everything" lol

But back to the back up rule, I never lost any of my content, I had TONS (still do) of backups for that, what I lost that killed me was 3rd party scripts I had created (and was NEVER given masters of) and the coder "found jesus" and vanished, no problem though till the servers all went down, and the backups and sql backups I had were damaged, let alone I (not being a programmer) had no idea how to reuse them.

As Selena mentioned MANY people got burned bad on that hosting deal, many people had to close up shop all together and leave the web, I myself BEING a good businessman instead sat back and retooled my entire business plan and started offering content B2B and I've sustained pretty well from 2007 till this past July when the content market pretty much dropped for many producers.

I'm sure I could still make a great living producing and selling content if I just slashed the shit out of my prices and upped my allowed slots per package but then I'd be no better then others out there who's content is on damn near every site online, I want to keep my content as unsaturated as I can, so I don't do that.

Now before someone decides it's time to call the wha-bu-lance, I'm not bitching and moaning or crying here, I'm just trying to explain a few things as I guess people don't know the whole deal here, or my history. Just wanted to lay a few more things out there.

One way or another I'll be back up and running, OR I'll just quietly walk off into the night as it were, I'm bucking for the first rather then the later but without some capital it's just not gonna happen.

and as for offline jobs... not where I live been looking for months nada (but then there's a reason Michigan is the highest for unemployed I guess lol)

-Loki-

Loki · 04-15-2011, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by selena

I remember that Lelahosting thing. Lots of people on another board got burned by them.

Yup that board that's name is a form of water ;)

the bitch is Lelahosting HOSTED that board so it gave them even more credit, they pretty much had 80% of the posters there at one point.

We came to find out later through some good cyber detective that it was not the first time Lelahosting had pulled that sort of "game" 2 years prior (or 3 I honestly forget) they had pulled a similar scam under a diff company name

There's a whole lot more drama that I myself went through with the "owner" of that company that I won't even go into here, but I almost went to jail for credit card fraud thanks to him

-Loki-

wehateporn · 04-15-2011, 05:48 PM

I didn't know Loki before I saw this thread, but he's just done some superb work for me, thank you Loki

C H R I S · 04-15-2011, 06:51 PM

Bump for you man! Somebody reading this must be hiring.

HitMePlse · 04-15-2011, 06:55 PM

Check out sites like 99designs.com and look for the ones ending soonest.

selena · 04-15-2011, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loki

Yup that board that's name is a form of water ;)

the bitch is Lelahosting HOSTED that board so it gave them even more credit, they pretty much had 80% of the posters there at one point.

We came to find out later through some good cyber detective that it was not the first time Lelahosting had pulled that sort of "game" 2 years prior (or 3 I honestly forget) they had pulled a similar scam under a diff company name

There's a whole lot more drama that I myself went through with the "owner" of that company that I won't even go into here, but I almost went to jail for credit card fraud thanks to him

-Loki-

I remember thinking at the time that if I ever needed a reason to justify going with an industry-wide well known host that that was reason enough for me.

Loki · 04-15-2011, 07:09 PM

Thanks for the bump Chris

Quote:

Originally Posted by HitMePlse

Check out sites like 99designs.com and look for the ones ending soonest.

Umm, I'm confused this thread is about selling my content via a "fire sale" to help bail my ass out of current money issues, my other thread: http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?p=18057344 is me looking for a full time job with a company (or part time or grunt work)....

I checked out that link you posted and from what I can see...

1 Find a contest 2) Create a design 3) Submit your design

SO even that's not a job thing I'm "Competing" with a number of others and MAYBE I might get paid?? Interesting but if I'm spending time doing work then I better be getting paid lol

Thanks though

-Loki-

alias · 04-15-2011, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loki

Actually, I am in fact BOTH an artist AND a business person lol, I've ran MANY successful businesses over the years both on and offline, and I did in fact live and breath the "back it up" rules, but no matter how many backups you have you can not control equipment / media failures or down right fuckovers by 3rd parties.

Without actually knowing me (the real me not just what little info I post to a forum) you have no way of knowing what I've done over the years or what I've been through, I've never been one to brag so very few really do know those things, so I don't fault you on your opinions or observations of me and my situation.

Truth be told I had a shitload of money but I lost it all bailing out family, some here might remember when I sold off my offline biz and my house to move to the woods and take care of my grandmother, I blew through over $40k of my savings saving the lake house from foreclosure due to back taxes and missed mortgage payments not too mention a shitload of checking issues because people were taking advantage of a senile women (my grandmother)

When it was all over, my father put her in a home and stole the cottage out from under me, and I was literally left with my clothes and my computers (Thanks Dad) forced to couch surf the next few years and TRY to rebuild my savings, but without that nest egg I had it's been a bitch to say the least.

I have also done exactly what you've suggested, (Having someone do it all for me) and it just did not work out, with this niche you can NOT throw out the ideas and visions and just do it like you would with "real" content, and my "vision / ideas" were ignored and the results were well... shit lol

One thing I KNOW about this industry is the toon market, I have LIVED it since 1999, I've watched and tracked the trends, and I know EXACTLY what the surfers want AND what will KEEP them recurring month after month, year after year, I've shared parts of this little pearl with other companies and they have ALL ignored it, and THAT is where my "ace in the hole" has always come into play, My sites will feature AND Promote what the other sites just refuse to do. (But then again THAT is the core difference between an Artists paysites and a Companies "cookie cutter" paysite.

I've spent years trying to educate companies on how they SHOULD handle their toon sites, I've created a network of toon artists and TRIED (and failed) to get companies on board with that network to get the various toon companies to network with eachother to share tips and tricks and artists, but in the end they are just too greedy and or worried about loosing a sale or two, From a business standpoint it made perfect sense to me to have a community of artists and companies working together to make all their sites bigger and better. (you'd be surprised how many artists had / have NO IDEA they could SELL their content to a porn company, they just sit on fan board making single images for "fans" and thought that's all there was too it. and as for that network I did not control it, I did not own it and the plug was pulled so now it's gone lol

And as for selling my content over and over, that's also not an issue, unlike other content sellers NONE of my packages have or will be sold more then 10 times, and above and beyond that, I only sell a portion of what I've created, I have a great stockpile of exclusive never sold content that will be the backbone of my own sites, I've NEVER been one to sell "everything" lol

But back to the back up rule, I never lost any of my content, I had TONS (still do) of backups for that, what I lost that killed me was 3rd party scripts I had created (and was NEVER given masters of) and the coder "found jesus" and vanished, no problem though till the servers all went down, and the backups and sql backups I had were damaged, let alone I (not being a programmer) had no idea how to reuse them.

As Selena mentioned MANY people got burned bad on that hosting deal, many people had to close up shop all together and leave the web, I myself BEING a good businessman instead sat back and retooled my entire business plan and started offering content B2B and I've sustained pretty well from 2007 till this past July when the content market pretty much dropped for many producers.

I'm sure I could still make a great living producing and selling content if I just slashed the shit out of my prices and upped my allowed slots per package but then I'd be no better then others out there who's content is on damn near every site online, I want to keep my content as unsaturated as I can, so I don't do that.

Now before someone decides it's time to call the wha-bu-lance, I'm not bitching and moaning or crying here, I'm just trying to explain a few things as I guess people don't know the whole deal here, or my history. Just wanted to lay a few more things out there.

One way or another I'll be back up and running, OR I'll just quietly walk off into the night as it were, I'm bucking for the first rather then the later but without some capital it's just not gonna happen.

and as for offline jobs... not where I live been looking for months nada (but then there's a reason Michigan is the highest for unemployed I guess lol)

-Loki-

My dad jacked me for a house too, sucked.

Loki · 04-15-2011, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by selena

I remember thinking at the time that if I ever needed a reason to justify going with an industry-wide well known host that that was reason enough for me.

Exactly the reason they got some many sucker.... I mean clients, and a few of us went as far as to work for them, public or privately, I myself worked for them privately doing design work for them for "other projects" they had going on.

I talked to the "owner" almost daily and although he seemed a bit flaky (hell aren't we all though lol) he never gave ANY indication he was less then what he claimed to be.

True story.... weeks before all hell broke loose he told me, (Paraphrased) "You know I've been thinking about it, and something that would be a GREAT change of pace would be to open a Christmas Tree farm, do you know how much money is in that shit???"

so who know maybe he's out there somewhere running a Christmas Tree farm lmao.

-Loki-

selena · 04-15-2011, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loki

Exactly the reason they got some many sucker.... I mean clients, and a few of us went as far as to work for them, public or privately, I myself worked for them privately doing design work for them for "other projects" they had going on.

I talked to the "owner" almost daily and although he seemed a bit flaky (hell aren't we all though lol) he never gave ANY indication he was less then what he claimed to be.

True story.... weeks before all hell broke loose he told me, (Paraphrased) "You know I've been thinking about it, and something that would be a GREAT change of pace would be to open a Christmas Tree farm, do you know how much money is in that shit???"

so who know maybe he's out there somewhere running a Christmas Tree farm lmao.

-Loki-

My memory is going to disagree with you on one part. I did not consider them to be well known industry wide. While one board was seemingly totally tangled up with them, there was not mention of them (or at least much) on GFY or other boards until the financial raping started.

That's irrelevant though to everyone that the fucked over, and your current situation. Hope it improves for you soon!

HitMePlse · 04-15-2011, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loki

Umm, I'm confused this thread is about selling my content via a "fire sale" to help bail my ass out of current money issues, my other thread: http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?p=18057344 is me looking for a full time job with a company (or part time or grunt work)....

I checked out that link you posted and from what I can see...

1 Find a contest 2) Create a design 3) Submit your design

SO even that's not a job thing I'm "Competing" with a number of others and MAYBE I might get paid?? Interesting but if I'm spending time doing work then I better be getting paid lol

Thanks though

-Loki-

If I go post that in your other thread will you then think its appropriate? You are the one asking for help and this is a way to make some money. Instead of sitting in front of GFY you could be slapping some shit together in 5-10 minutes and submitting it. If its any good you have a chance of making cash. 99designs acts as a escrow account and holds the cash until a winner is announced. Look for the ones that say guaranteed to pick a design.

You have a particular skill that not many unemployed people have. Who knows the winning design could lead to a full time job.

Maybe Im wrong.. Enjoy wiping your ass with the leaves off the tree out back.

Loki · 04-15-2011, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alias

My dad jacked me for a house too, sucked.

It deff does, he told me over and over again "Nothing will change Jay, you'll see" and then after about 4 months of ME gutting the cottage so we could do some MUCH NEEDED repairs/remodeling he calls me up and tells me "I'm gonna need you to get your stuff out of there" I was floored to say the least!

I ended up packing up what little stuff I had and moving down the road to a friends house (modular to be exact) I spent the next year and a half in a 12 X 9 room saving up every cent I could so I could get my own place again.

I did not speak to my dad for over a year and a half after that till one day I get an instant message "Jay, Are you mad at me?" I damn near fainted when I read that lol.

We started talking and he "swears" it's my house too (I just can't live there I guess lol) and I'll see once he passes and it becomes "my house" till then I can USE the cottage whenever I want BUT I can't LIVE there.

Things have mended over the years BUT I've never gotten a dime back that I spent to save my grandmother / HIS MOTHER or the house that he pushed me out of..... but hey I get to USE it whenever I want (which is a plus cause it's a GREAT lake house!)

And I guess IF (a big IF) he sticks to his word (show me the will lol) and I DO get the house when he passes it'll make up for allot of the shit I was put through.

My biggest thing about that place was SAVING it and keeping it in the family, my family built the first 10 houses on the lake back in the late 30's and up until the late 90's over half the lake was family and friends cottages, now as the years go on more and more have sold off and less and less of the lake is family anymore, I'm bound and determined to keep at least the 5 houses in the family so that my kids can have the fun I did growing up at the lake cottage during the summers!

Not too mention there's no place I'd rather retire to then right there on the lake!

-Loki-

Loki · 04-15-2011, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by selena

My memory is going to disagree with you on one part. I did not consider them to be well known industry wide. While one board was seemingly totally tangled up with them, there was not mention of them (or at least much) on GFY or other boards until the financial raping started.

That's irrelevant though to everyone that the fucked over, and your current situation. Hope it improves for you soon!

Don't misunderstand me, I never meant to imply they were a "well known" company, JUST that because they hosted that board they got instant "cred" with the posters of that board, and at that time I was a very active poster there cause many of my affils were active there.

-Loki-

Quote:

Originally Posted by HitMePlse

If I go post that in your other thread will you then think its appropriate? You are the one asking for help and this is a way to make some money. Instead of sitting in front of GFY you could be slapping some shit together in 5-10 minutes and submitting it. If its any good you have a chance of making cash. 99designs acts as a escrow account and holds the cash until a winner is announced. Look for the ones that say guaranteed to pick a design.

You have a particular skill that not many unemployed people have. Who knows the winning design could lead to a full time job.

Maybe Im wrong.. Enjoy wiping your ass with the leaves off the tree out back.

No, it doesn't matter which thread you posted it in, I was just commenting that the "Chance" at money was really not going to help me this very second, I need to be sure that ANY time I'm spending working on something right now is GOING to = payment.

The landlord (even though he loves my ass and is VERY understanding) is not going to want to hear "Well I MIGHT get some money for you IF I win these design contests"

Also I was totally unaware of any "guaranteed" offers on that site, cause the ONLY things they show/tell you before you go through all the signup stuff is the "contest" stuff, so at a quick glance I saw..... "Enter a bunch of contests, do a bunch of work, hope you win" and that just wasn't very helpful.

And when I was trying to find the "contests" what I did find was what looked to be a preset price list for work... Twitter Backgrounds STARTING at $95 WHO is paying that much for a Twitter background???? I'd only charge $40 for something like that (especially now that Twitter changed the GUI for twitter and now you get far less real estate on your page)

And as for the leaves as toilet paper

I'll have to deff pass on that as we don't even have leaves back yet (still trying to get to "spring" here lol) and Tree bark is OUT of the question, I've learned in a pinch Coffee filters work better and hurt less

But as I said in my last post, Thanks!

I'm deff going to check that site out later, it IS deff interesting.

-Loki-

Loki · 04-15-2011, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HitMePlse

If I go post that in your other thread will you then think its appropriate? You are the one asking for help and this is a way to make some money. Instead of sitting in front of GFY you could be slapping some shit together in 5-10 minutes and submitting it. If its any good you have a chance of making cash. 99designs acts as a escrow account and holds the cash until a winner is announced. Look for the ones that say guaranteed to pick a design.

You have a particular skill that not many unemployed people have. Who knows the winning design could lead to a full time job.

Maybe Im wrong.. Enjoy wiping your ass with the leaves off the tree out back.

I've been looking over that site more and a few things I wanted to point out...

Quote:

5.7 99designs is not an escrow service

99designs is not an escrow service and does not hold property on behalf of any person. All amounts deposited or paid to 99designs are property of 99designs and 99designs may use those funds as it sees fit. The only rights that you have to receive payment of any amounts held by 99designs are as set out in this clause 5 or under clause 6.

Clause 5 and clause 6 go on to say that they (99designs) pays the desingers "credits" that may or may not be redeemed as cash (the may not is sketchy as hell and I don't fully understand everything so far, but it looks like it's to THEIR (99designs) discretion IF they will redeem credits to cash

their other TOS states:

Quote:

4.5 No guarantee of winning a Design Contest or being included

You acknowledge and agree that as a Designer:

1. you may not have the ability to enter each and every Design Contest;
2. 99designs or a Customer may restrict your ability to enter any one Design Contest and/or invite only specific Designers to a Design Contest

Last but not least I'm seeing many of the "guaranteed" contests marked as "Silver" or "bronze" so I can only at this point assume I need to PAY to be that type of member and be able to enter those contests

I'm NOT trying to knock the site believe it or not, but I'm looking into it more, just wanted to point out they are NOT an escrow as you said they were "like" and they MAY or MAY NOT actually pay the designers (but I could use my "credits" on their site to purchase stuff like design work) I'm sure they are good and on the up and up but their terms scare me a bit.

-Loki-

cybermike · 04-15-2011, 08:23 PM

Bump for you.. I assume my custom work is making use of your servers whoops

Loki · 04-15-2011, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cybermike

Bump for you.. I assume my custom work is making use of your servers whoops

Thanks

yeah however my slower / older machine has been cussing you out this week, I think I need a new heat sink for that bitch soon, it keeps overheating lol.

I should have the solo stuff finished in another week or so, the hardcore will take much longer as I said from the start.

Would be a bit diff story if I had ALL of my render boxes up and running but I'm down to two working boxes right now, and I'm working online on a tiny ass netbook lol (taught me how to type on a teeny tiny keyboard though so that's cool I guess)

-Loki-

twistyneck · 04-15-2011, 08:37 PM

You should try online poker.

Loki · 04-15-2011, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twistyneck

You should try online poker.

That just sent me into a coughing fit / laughing attack, I think it's time for me to take my cold meds and get my ass to bed lol.

Thanks for the laugh deff needed it

-Loki-

Loki · 04-15-2011, 10:31 PM

Calling it a night, see you all 2morrow when i awake from my nyquil coma lol

-Loki-

candyflip · 04-15-2011, 10:47 PM

In the time you've spent in this thread you could have built a simple paysite using Wordpress and set yourself up with a processor like Zombaio that doesn't charge any fees.

Why the need for 5 sites and an affiliate program? Get one site up and running. It's not really that difficult.

B.Barnato · 04-16-2011, 08:22 AM

bump for fresh eye on 1st page

Loki · 04-16-2011, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by candyflip

In the time you've spent in this thread you could have built a simple paysite using Wordpress and set yourself up with a processor like Zombaio that doesn't charge any fees.

Why the need for 5 sites and an affiliate program? Get one site up and running. It's not really that difficult.

Thanks for the bump.

WHY 5 sites and an affil program?

The simple answer is IF I'm going to relaunch sites then I'm going to do it right, There are other 3D Toon sites out there, so if I expect to get sales (and more importantly) affils to promote MY sites over other sites I need to be able to offer stuff that the others are NOT offering, there is a method to my madness and it will work once everything is in place.

I can't see using a biller that a "bulk" of webmasters don't fully "trust" or want to use "yet" I've seen many threads regarding Zombaio and how ppl are reluctant to promote sites running them, for whatever reason, so for me that's not a real option right now.

And as for the time I've spent in this thread, I've actually done allot of work in the meantime, I did a few micro jobs, built a few tours for my own sites, and gotten hooked up with AdultCentro.

-Loki-

blonda80 · 04-16-2011, 01:44 PM

good luck Loki!

Agent 488 · 04-16-2011, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loki

Thanks for the bump.

WHY 5 sites and an affil program?

The simple answer is IF I'm going to relaunch sites then I'm going to do it right, There are other 3D Toon sites out there, so if I expect to get sales (and more importantly) affils to promote MY sites over other sites I need to be able to offer stuff that the others are NOT offering, there is a method to my madness and it will work once everything is in place.

I can't see using a biller that a "bulk" of webmasters don't fully "trust" or want to use "yet" I've seen many threads regarding Zombaio and how ppl are reluctant to promote sites running them, for whatever reason, so for me that's not a real option right now.

And as for the time I've spent in this thread, I've actually done allot of work in the meantime, I did a few micro jobs, built a few tours for my own sites, and gotten hooked up with AdultCentro.

-Loki-

the reason for failure = your mind set.

i will take action if, when, but, if this happens, if that happens, when, why .......

whatever.

it is your failure mindset which keeps people from partnering with you.

goldassets · 04-16-2011, 02:00 PM

be more of a go getter

- LOL - · 04-16-2011, 02:02 PM

sending positive thoughts

suesheboy · 04-16-2011, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488

the reason for failure = your mind set.

i will take action if, when, but, if this happens, if that happens, when, why .......

whatever.

it is your failure mindset which keeps people from partnering with you.

Thank you - spot on.

For his sake I hope he doesn't have kids yet.

Loki · 04-16-2011, 04:10 PM

Wow, seems to be allot of negative all the sudden in here, and I'm not sure exactly why lol.

I don't see HOW anyone can interpret failure being MY Fault If I say I want to do something a certain way so it WILL Succeed.

I have a clear plan in place for IF and WHEN I re-launch my sites and program, I did pretty well if I do say so myself when I had my prior stuff online and it did well BECAUSE of the directions I pushed the sites and program.

Why would I not want to do those same things again since they worked the last time (AND the market I'm in has not changed since I shut down in 2007)

I know hands down the sites will make great money IF they are done the right way, and that means REAL sites with a CMS, daily updates, (other things I won't spill here lol) and a biller that is not only KNOWN by all but also TRUSTED by all (or most lol)

IF I do all these steps and relaunch and it fails then YES of course that falls on me, but 'attacking me' because I want to do this the right way is downright silly lol.

No I don't want to throw up a wordpress site as a paysite but that does not make me a failure lol

I don't want a "partner" as I've had nothing but shit in the past with partners (why repeat failed things?)

The "Silent Partner" aspect would be the ONLY partnership I would consider these days but I'm NOT looking or asking for that (at least at this time)

As for the remark about hoping I don't have kids, that's just low.

But hey thanks for the bumps non the less I guess.

-Loki-

suesheboy · 04-16-2011, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loki

As for the remark about hoping I don't have kids, that's just low.

I don't want kids to suffer why you are working your life out. Most of my stepsons friends going through crisis's right now and they all have kids and to watch them get dragged through the shit is insane. You do not have a stable environment and if you had kids it would be real bad for them

I don't wish you ill will. I see a huge talent that you are wasting.

You don't take advice and can't even see that selling your art to others dilutes its value and created a world of competition that if you want a pay site you have to compete against. You are blind to the roadblocks that you have put up in your own life.

You have never had serious business schooling, corporate management training or a competent serious successful mentor.

Most great artists are shitty business people with some rare exceptions such as Peter Max. See how he does not dilute the value of his content.

You were given positive advice, which you turned into negative roadblocks (which other here see).

We all wanted corvettes to be our first car. We usually settle for less until we can earn the vette. I got laid in my beat up 20 year old station wagon that was better than walking.

You insist on walking if you can't get the vette and in the color you want.

Loki · 04-16-2011, 06:16 PM

I'm not wanting to argue here, cause really it's pointless to argue with a 'stranger' BUT I would like to address a few of the things that you 'said'

Quote:

Originally Posted by suesheboy

You don't take advice and can't even see that selling your art to others dilutes its value and created a world of competition that if you want a pay site you have to compete against. You are blind to the roadblocks that you have put up in your own life.

You really don't know me or what I have or have not done, but to clear up a bit of things so that OTHERS don't take your words as any sort of gospel lol

SELLING MY ART IS MY BUSINESS, Since 2007 my business model has been to create and sell content to companies, I know full well what that means all across the board, and I played out every possible scenario BEFORE I decided to sell content.

Saying that I created my own competition is both true and false because ANYONE (who does not buy content) has the same competition if they decide they want to start a site, people who shoot their own content STILL have competition but on differing levels.

It really is irrelevant though, because unless you are me, and possess the years of experience I have you can't really understand why I do what I do.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by suesheboy

You have never had serious business schooling, corporate management training or a competent serious successful mentor.

You couldn't be more wrong on this, and I do find it a bit funny that you or anyone else would choose to just make up stuff instead of ASKING.

I have an extensive business background, I might not possess any fancy diplomas for what I have studied extensively but I've worked years with SBA & SCORE, I helped launch a 501C3 org and served as chairman for 2 years.

I've had personal coaching sessions with people like Zig Ziglar, Robert Kiyosaki & Tom Monaghan (founder of Dominos Pizza)

I don't feel the need to go around "bragging" about any of this though because at the end of the day none of it really means anything, and I'd be considered a pompous ass if I tried to work it into every post I made.

I was taught NOT to 'brag' about myself and to be and keep a modest appearance, in some aspects people never see me coming lol.

Quote:

Originally Posted by suesheboy

Most great artists are shitty business people with some rare exceptions such as Peter Max. See how he does not dilute the value of his content.

I agree with you here, But I've always considering myself an artist second, a businessman first.

Quote:

Originally Posted by suesheboy

You were given positive advice, which you turned into negative roadblocks (which other here see).

I have actually taken most of the 'advice' that was offered in this thread, I did not turn anything into a negative roadblock in all honesty, when I did "denounce" an idea or piece of advice I had actual solid reasoning....

EXAMPLE: When people told me to sell my content via other channels such as AdultCentro and Paul I declined BECAUSE I already have an EXCLUSIVE RESELLER contract in place with another company.

But, After I went through my jump drives and found content that was NOT covered by my current agreement I DID take the advice offered

When People told me to "Partner with someone" I did not turn that into a roadblock, I simply expressed the fact that I do NOT want a partner

I have checked out Fivver and I also registered at 99designs (I'm still leery on 99designs as their fine print is worse then some contracts I've signed over my years lol)

Zombaio I turned down as I've read more "negative" about them from affils then I care to deal with, they might be a great company but why waste my time setting up with someone that not many people want to promote?

and as for being told to setup a wordpress site I already addressed that one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by suesheboy

We all wanted corvettes to be our first car. We usually settle for less until we can earn the vette. I got laid in my beat up 20 year old station wagon that was better than walking.

You insist on walking if you can't get the vette and in the color you want.

Although I totally understand your analogy it doesn't apply to me believe it or not, I STARTED as a program owner, I made decent money with my program and sites, due to issues I was forced to close my program and in turn I switched my business model and YES I KNOWINGLY created competition (and honestly you're welcome!)

Again it was because I did that that the market grew the way it did, I NEVER had the money to do the types of "advertising" that the bigger companies I sold to did. I NEVER had the "armies" of affils that the bigger companies did.

In truth I took the toon market as far as I could by 2007 and then I created my own competition that could take the market to those next levels that I profited from.

I don't want to come off sounding like a megalomaniac here, as I've said a few times already there ARE methods to my madness, and EVERYTHING I've done has made PERFECT business sense. I remember when I first pitched my overall plan to my old coach at the time, he got done reading all my outlines and said point blank....

"That's fucking brilliant!"

I have solid plans in place IF I end up re-launching a program and sites, and I say "IF" NOT because I have a "failure mindset" but in all honestly I have STILL not made up my mind IF I even WANT to do it all over again, I'd be much happier just being picked up by a company and work for them then being the "boss" again, there's allot less stress being an employee then the employer.

so THAT is why I keep using that "IF, WHEN, MAY"

But I KNOW (hands down) that IF I do make the return to program owner the sites WILL make money for all involved (so how the hell do I have a failure mindset??)

I can't go into details on WHY I am so certain because no good businessman would show his hand before it's time to play, BUT I will say that if I decide to NOT re-enter the program side I will be more then happy to create a thread with all the steps someone should do to dominate the toon market.

I think that covers everything for now.

-Loki-

Helix · 04-16-2011, 08:41 PM

Bump for a fellow Michigander...good luck homeboy :-)

Loki · 04-16-2011, 10:28 PM

Calling it a night

see you all tomorrow

-Loki-

blonda80 · 04-16-2011, 10:50 PM

up 4 you .

chaze · 04-16-2011, 10:59 PM

Wish you the best Loki, I will post it on my forums to see if that gets any bites.

04-14-2011, 07:04 PM	#52
Loki Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 4,420	I'm gonna call it a night for now, it's been a loooong day for sure! I'd like to thank everyone for their kind words and leads and to Frank21: I hope you liked your "awesome bargain" One thing got taken care of today, but I'm DEFF not out of the woods just yet, so this "Help Me Sale Thread" will remain up and running for at least the next day or two, IF you missed out today MAKE SURE you post / email / ICQ me when you read this thread so you don't miss out on the "Crazy Eddie" style prices I'm offering lol. To those I spoke with today about micro jobs and content reselling I'll get with you in the AM when I wake up and get back to the grind, I MAY get more done tonight before my cold meds knock me out but no promises lol. Let's keep this thread on page one till I get back ok folks? -Loki- __________________ MAKE MONEY WITH 3D TOONS! Need hosting? LokiCa$h Uses Amerinoc and love them! Skype: LokiPorn Or Email 3dloki\|at\|gmail.com

04-15-2011, 08:10 AM	#55
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04-15-2011, 11:15 AM	#56
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04-15-2011, 02:20 PM	#61
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04-14-2011, 09:45 PM	#53
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04-14-2011, 10:03 PM	#54
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,090	Don't need any content, but I can give you a bump.

04-15-2011, 02:27 PM	#62
- LOL - So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 396	sending positive vibes

04-15-2011, 03:17 PM	#65
suesheboy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: FL - TN/NC Posts: 5,211	Wake Up. Give up on ideas and visions. Let someone use your content and their programing effort to build a site, overpay them and when you are done paying them back, change it to what you want - or better still, if they are any good have them share in your vision and work with you on the redesign as you now know their capabilities and they know they will be paid back. Let them build you a site while you are working at McDonald's. Who gives a fuck. You know you will be out of there as soon as the site is done and paid off. The more you sell your content, the more you are diluting your unique value. You got into this mess but having the fatally poor business decision to not adhere to rule 1 in computers that every novice learns in computer, businesses and life 101 - back it up, have more than 1 backup, and have backups located far off site as well. You are an artist and a good one. Not a business person. I know you have been thrown curve balls that would knock anyone down. Drop the ego, settle for less (on this go round), work hard to find a partner, write a contract so expectations are in line and there are no surprises, live up to it and work with a partner that will do the same. When they are paid off, and when you have bankrolled enough, then you can "sit back" and redesign your sites along with apps or whatever else you want to do. You are going to die on this treadmill otherwise. Many of the best artists in the world die broke. Don't be one of them. I would give anything to have your talent. Start working on finding someone to work with today. __________________ Adult Web Site Domain Names For Sale Adult Sex Toy Domain Names For Sale Tantric Delights, Sex Toys Blog, Tantric Sex Toys Last edited by suesheboy; 04-15-2011 at 03:22 PM..

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04-15-2011, 05:48 PM	#69
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04-15-2011, 06:55 PM	#71
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04-15-2011, 08:37 PM	#83
twistyneck So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hanging by the neck until dead. Posts: 4,660	You should try online poker.

04-15-2011, 10:31 PM	#85
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04-15-2011, 10:47 PM	#86
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04-16-2011, 08:22 AM	#87
B.Barnato So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,618	bump for fresh eye on 1st page

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04-16-2011, 02:00 PM	#91
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04-16-2011, 02:02 PM	#92
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04-16-2011, 04:10 PM	#94
Loki Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 4,420	Wow, seems to be allot of negative all the sudden in here, and I'm not sure exactly why lol. I don't see HOW anyone can interpret failure being MY Fault If I say I want to do something a certain way so it WILL Succeed. I have a clear plan in place for IF and WHEN I re-launch my sites and program, I did pretty well if I do say so myself when I had my prior stuff online and it did well BECAUSE of the directions I pushed the sites and program. Why would I not want to do those same things again since they worked the last time (AND the market I'm in has not changed since I shut down in 2007) I know hands down the sites will make great money IF they are done the right way, and that means REAL sites with a CMS, daily updates, (other things I won't spill here lol) and a biller that is not only KNOWN by all but also TRUSTED by all (or most lol) IF I do all these steps and relaunch and it fails then YES of course that falls on me, but 'attacking me' because I want to do this the right way is downright silly lol. No I don't want to throw up a wordpress site as a paysite but that does not make me a failure lol I don't want a "partner" as I've had nothing but shit in the past with partners (why repeat failed things?) The "Silent Partner" aspect would be the ONLY partnership I would consider these days but I'm NOT looking or asking for that (at least at this time) As for the remark about hoping I don't have kids, that's just low. But hey thanks for the bumps non the less I guess. -Loki- __________________ MAKE MONEY WITH 3D TOONS! Need hosting? LokiCa$h Uses Amerinoc and love them! Skype: LokiPorn Or Email 3dloki\|at\|gmail.com

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04-16-2011, 10:28 PM	#98
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04-16-2011, 10:59 PM	#100
chaze Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 9,752	Wish you the best Loki, I will post it on my forums to see if that gets any bites.