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halfpint · 04-15-2011, 12:33 PM

Why is it banned in the US ? Over here in the UK they advertise the gambling sites on TV

So whats to stop US people from playing on UK based gambling sites ?

Phoenix · 04-15-2011, 12:34 PM

hmm that sucks for those guys

i thought the us was coming around to gambling now?

adult_text_links · 04-15-2011, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If you're stupid enough to promote an illegal site then it sucks to be stupid.

Imagine if it were a Scat site that got it's billing pulled?

Don't promote illegal sites. Simple when you say it.

What are you retarded? Diff laws in diff countries and whats wrong with a little
online poker playing .. the site is NOT illegal ... America the home of the FREE

LOL

Matyko · 04-15-2011, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webair

I don't see why they just don't make it legal and tax the fuck out of it...

Paul&John · 04-15-2011, 12:37 PM

Haha they have nothing better to do (the government), I mean the US is in a huge deficit etc and they care about stuff like that

SleazyDream · 04-15-2011, 12:41 PM

sites banned here. Wasn't aware i was subject to US law in Canada... interesting...

Klen · 04-15-2011, 12:41 PM

Were they seized because they were accepting usa players?

Agent 488 · 04-15-2011, 12:43 PM

dc is starting up their own poker site.

http://www.gambling911.com/gambling-...dc-041211.html

looks like the thugs in washington and just clearing out the competition.

Tempest · 04-15-2011, 12:45 PM

I suspect there's going to be some people that are crushed by this and maybe even commit suicide... How much money do you think will be locked up with this that people won't be able to get back?

CYF · 04-15-2011, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488

dc is starting up their own poker site.

http://www.gambling911.com/gambling-...dc-041211.html

looks like the thugs in washington and just clearing out the competition.

"Players are really loyal in this industry," Ifrah said. "You really
have to ask yourself what is the incentive a player is going to have
to leave a trusted site with global competition to play in a site
that's untested and kind of unknown and doesn't offer you the same
level of play."

Definitely clearing out the competition

Agent 488 · 04-15-2011, 12:50 PM

why only poker not sportsbooks or casinos?

pornguy · 04-15-2011, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly

Yeh confirmed, it's happening. DNS was taken over, they are slowly pulling the sites.

The US government is completely out of line on their online gambling stance. They need to wake the fuck up.

Dont worry they will be..

Not long ago it was posted that the Senator or who ever got the law to make it illegal is also the biggest holder of gambling domains and plans to open then. So that law wont last long.. He just took out the competition and as soon as the money is taken it will change.

Agent 488 · 04-15-2011, 12:59 PM

ha looks like this little rat who did poker processing turned on these sites.

http://www.businessinsider.com/boy-g...scandal-2011-4

Then last April, Tzvetkoff was arrested in Las Vegas and charged with the same crimes those sites founders were charged with today: money laundering, bank fraud, wire fraud. As an Australian citizen with a lot of wealth, he was considered a flight risk and denied bail.

Then after a "secret" meeting with prosecutors, he was suddenly out on bail. And now, his former colleagues are the ones facing serious jail time.

dynastoned · 04-15-2011, 01:01 PM

just tried to pokerstars

"we are sorry but, due to government regulations, playing real money tournaments is not allowed in your area."

Tempest · 04-15-2011, 01:02 PM

This was an interesting post

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=490

Paul&John · 04-15-2011, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488

ha looks like this little rat who did poker processing turned on these sites.

http://www.businessinsider.com/boy-g...scandal-2011-4

Then last April, Tzvetkoff was arrested in Las Vegas and charged with the same crimes those sites founders were charged with today: money laundering, bank fraud, wire fraud. As an Australian citizen with a lot of wealth, he was considered a flight risk and denied bail.

Then after a "secret" meeting with prosecutors, he was suddenly out on bail. And now, his former colleagues are the ones facing serious jail time.

damn thats some twisted shirt right there

Tempest · 04-15-2011, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488

ha looks like this little rat who did poker processing turned on these sites.

http://www.businessinsider.com/boy-g...scandal-2011-4

Then last April, Tzvetkoff was arrested in Las Vegas and charged with the same crimes those sites founders were charged with today: money laundering, bank fraud, wire fraud. As an Australian citizen with a lot of wealth, he was considered a flight risk and denied bail.

Then after a "secret" meeting with prosecutors, he was suddenly out on bail. And now, his former colleagues are the ones facing serious jail time.

Quote:

They ratted him out ... and he turned the tables. No honor among thieves.

And as the Courier Mail put it, if this were still the old days, he'd buried in the Las Vegas desert right now.

I suspect there's still a good chance he'll end up dead eventually.

dynastoned · 04-15-2011, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488

ha looks like this little rat who did poker processing turned on these sites.

http://www.businessinsider.com/boy-g...scandal-2011-4

Then last April, Tzvetkoff was arrested in Las Vegas and charged with the same crimes those sites founders were charged with today: money laundering, bank fraud, wire fraud. As an Australian citizen with a lot of wealth, he was considered a flight risk and denied bail.

Then after a "secret" meeting with prosecutors, he was suddenly out on bail. And now, his former colleagues are the ones facing serious jail time.

what a sad state of affairs if thats actually true. working with the feds is never the answer.

Agent 488 · 04-15-2011, 01:11 PM

just skimming news the guy was facing 75 years?

Ravage · 04-15-2011, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webair

I don't see why they just don't make it legal and tax the fuck out of it...

Because that makes way too much financial sense to do something like that.

Instead of proper onling gaming reform, Bush signed it into law the Safe Port Act with the Unlawful Internet Gaming and Enforcement Act on the back of it. The UIGEA had no business being on that bill, but they snuck it on their before anybody could appeal because they knew Bush would sign it without question.

Most gambling sites pulled out and stopped new US players from signing up. Poker sites stayed and tried to fight that poker wasn't gambling. It didn't go over well the past few years, so all poker sites used .NET address as a free gateway into their paid .COM product.

The UIGEA went into full effect last June, and now with COICA and ICE, the US can effectively stamp a guilty verdict and break 1st Ammendment rights and take yo shit by taking the domain. I don't even know if that is actually legal for them to do in this instance.
The main problem with the UIGEA is that it excludes fantasy sports, doesn't mention state lotteries and does not clarify if horse racing wagering is illegal, which fall under the Federal Wire Act. I can't remember the needledicks name that pushed hard on this bill and snuck it on the Safe port act.

The US fucked themselves out on billions of tax revenues they could have been earning to fund their wars if they would have just imposed a Gaming tax like the UK did.

Socks · 04-15-2011, 01:18 PM

I think the government has a case here unfortunately. Even the larger poker sites would do things like charge strange increments ($50.37, $49.65 etc) instead of the $50 you deposited, to avoid being flagged by banks as a gambling site. Also they would use thousands of shell companies with non-descript names to appear on credit card statements. The biggest problem surely is that the US made laws against online gambling, and these sites did everything they could to keep letting players play and deposit. Surely they knew something was going to give eventually, and rolled the dice with it, not wanting to lose all that US revenue.. Likely they were hoping the laws would change before something like this actually happened.

This really sucks, I know a lot of people who work in the poker industry in las vegas, and FT and PS are always big sponsors as well as often being main clients producing many of the shows.. I hope this doesn't affect their ability to keep the TV money flowing.

Agent 488 · 04-15-2011, 01:20 PM

i think those sites were cutting deals with vegas and nevada right now as well.

Quentin · 04-15-2011, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by halfpint

Why is it banned in the US ? Over here in the UK they advertise the gambling sites on TV

So whats to stop US people from playing on UK based gambling sites ?

In an acronym? UIGEA

The U.S. government even asserts "extraterritorial jurisdiction" with respect to UIGEA, and has arrested foreign nationals under UIGEA, people who operate gambling sites hosted in other countries, but who have accepted wagers from U.S. customers, when such were people unfortunate enough to find themselves on U.S. soil, or in a country that was willing to detain and extradite them to the U.S. Gary Kaplan and David Carruthers of BetonSports are a couple of examples.

facialfreak · 04-15-2011, 01:26 PM

Full Tilt is still working here .... cache zapped twice

GTS Mark · 04-15-2011, 01:26 PM

Unbelievable!

kane · 04-15-2011, 01:27 PM

A friend of mine who plays online at Full Tilt just called and wondered if he will be able to get the money he has in his account back. It is a good question. My buddy said he only has around $150 in his account, but there has to be players out there with thousands and thousands in their accounts.

They may have just got Mallicked.

sponsorpimp · 04-15-2011, 01:28 PM

fulltiltpoker.com blocked here but fulltiltpoker.net is ok

Agent 488 · 04-15-2011, 01:29 PM

the epass of the online gaming industry.

fuck people are going want to kill that rat from oz.

HighlyIntoxicated · 04-15-2011, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane

A friend of mine who plays online at Full Tilt just called and wondered if he will be able to get the money he has in his account back. It is a good question. My buddy said he only has around $150 in his account, but there has to be players out there with thousands and thousands in their accounts.

They may have just got Mallicked.

I've read that some withdraws have been going through, but other people are claiming that when trying to cash out money, the server won't connect for them.

Ravage · 04-15-2011, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quentin

In an acronym? UIGEA

The U.S. government even asserts "extraterritorial jurisdiction" with respect to UIGEA, and has arrested foreign nationals under UIGEA, people who operate gambling sites hosted in other countries, but who have accepted wagers from U.S. customers, when such were people unfortunate enough to find themselves on U.S. soil, or in a country that was willing to detain and extradite them to the U.S. Gary Kaplan and David Carruthers of BetonSports are a couple of examples.

The very day the owners of NETeller were nabbed while catching their connecting flights was the day every gaming site closed their doors to new US players. Everyone ensured they used non-US based Intermediary banks so the funds wouldn't get nabbed, etc etc.

Fuck that was a hellacious week. Had to update all the banks and processors. Shit some great processors even died because of that, Surefire/firecah, NETeller, and Citadel to an extent. While they may still be around, they're nothing like they were before the UIGEA for quite a while.

kristin · 04-15-2011, 01:36 PM

Damn, that's crazy.

{Psycho} · 04-15-2011, 01:36 PM

What a crap

MaDalton · 04-15-2011, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488

ha looks like this little rat who did poker processing turned on these sites.

http://www.businessinsider.com/boy-g...scandal-2011-4

Then last April, Tzvetkoff was arrested in Las Vegas and charged with the same crimes those sites founders were charged with today: money laundering, bank fraud, wire fraud. As an Australian citizen with a lot of wealth, he was considered a flight risk and denied bail.

Then after a "secret" meeting with prosecutors, he was suddenly out on bail. And now, his former colleagues are the ones facing serious jail time.

you have any idea who that is?

that idiot ran "Merchant Solutions", he was all over the adult biz, big booths, skinned GFY and so on. he even had a nick on here - i just keep forgetting it - it was like "Dingo" or some other animal. he screwed over many people on here...

Agent 488 · 04-15-2011, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton

you have any idea who that is?

that idiot ran "Merchant Solutions", he was all over the adult biz, big booths, skinned GFY and so on. he even had a nick on here - i just keep forgetting it - it was like "Dingo" or some other animal. he screwed over many people on here...

no idea who it is.

thanks for the information.

BlackCrayon · 04-15-2011, 01:43 PM

i think its hiarliously stupid and hypocritical of the US government making online gambling illegal because the companies are all offshore and not paying taxes while so many huge US corps are doing the exact same thing! why is johnny law not coming after them? oh thats right, they have them in their pocket..

HighlyIntoxicated · 04-15-2011, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

i think its hiarliously stupid and hypocritical of the US government making online gambling illegal because the companies are all offshore and not paying taxes while so many huge US corps are doing the exact same thing! why is johnny law not coming after them? oh thats right, they have them in their pocket..

it's the new world order

BSleazy · 04-15-2011, 01:44 PM

Free country? haha ya right. what a fucking joke

HighlyIntoxicated · 04-15-2011, 01:45 PM

oh shit..

Agent 488 · 04-15-2011, 01:47 PM

good way to pump up a broke governments coffers by looting all the player's monies.

MaDalton · 04-15-2011, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488

no idea who it is.

thanks for the information.

here you go:

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/824987-dingo-intabill-ripped.html

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1111116190433

Socks · 04-15-2011, 01:48 PM

Yeah it's going to be hell for US players to withdraw their funds now, 100%.

HighlyIntoxicated · 04-15-2011, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HighlyIntoxicated

oh shit..

This isn;t my picture, I just found it posted elsewhere, has anyone in the states tried withdrawing from pstars today?

HighlyIntoxicated · 04-15-2011, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Just because some idiot in a dark suit signs a law doesn;t make it legal or illegal. This is WAY out of line and beyond tyranny

Paul is one of the biggest trolls here. ignore that asshole.

Due · 04-15-2011, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488

good way to pump up a broke governments coffers by looting all the player's monies.

They probably have everything offshore, I doubt they would keep more than 1-2 days worth of transactions in USA

lazycash · 04-15-2011, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton

you have any idea who that is?

that idiot ran "Merchant Solutions", he was all over the adult biz, big booths, skinned GFY and so on. he even had a nick on here - i just keep forgetting it - it was like "Dingo" or some other animal. he screwed over many people on here...

Yes, pretty sure there was a thread here about him and his arrest when it occurred.

Harmon · 04-15-2011, 01:54 PM

Epass connections?

CrkMStanz · 04-15-2011, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HighlyIntoxicated

oh shit..

Has any US player tried to transfer real money funds to other player accounts?

I'm playing here right now (PokerStars, from Canada)

so if you want to send all your PokerStars real money balances to me, I am sure that I will send you a money order real quick.....

Can't you just see a million of these scams popping up today?

(No, I really don't want to do this - just thought I'd feed the scammers some fresh ideas)

.

Ravage · 04-15-2011, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

i think its hiarliously stupid and hypocritical of the US government making online gambling illegal because the companies are all offshore and not paying taxes while so many huge US corps are doing the exact same thing! why is johnny law not coming after them? oh thats right, they have them in their pocket..

Not entirely. Multinational US corps do it because the mandatory 35% tax they have to pay on any income generated outside the US. The current US tax law allows them to defer tax until it is delcared/moved into the US. Obama has chosen to just tax the individuals paychecks who create the jobs in the US instead of fixing the tax law and create a fair rate that would not only entice more US investment, but foreign investment as well. The US is so far behind on other countries on this its not even funny.

For online gaming sites, since they're completely on the internet, they did not have to register as a corp in the US. Instead they setup in countries that are tax havens. And instead of following the UK and taxing online gaming transactions and make billiions of dollars in tax money, the US decided to ban online gambling because Jesus doesn't like it.

Horny Joe · 04-15-2011, 02:16 PM

My God... What will be the next???? Make prostitution illegal??

qwe · 04-15-2011, 02:17 PM

damn, alot of people going to loose alot of $

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Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	dc is starting up their own poker site. http://www.gambling911.com/gambling-...dc-041211.html looks like the thugs in washington and just clearing out the competition.

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Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	I suspect there's going to be some people that are crushed by this and maybe even commit suicide... How much money do you think will be locked up with this that people won't be able to get back?

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Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	why only poker not sportsbooks or casinos?

04-15-2011, 12:59 PM	#63
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	ha looks like this little rat who did poker processing turned on these sites. http://www.businessinsider.com/boy-g...scandal-2011-4 Then last April, Tzvetkoff was arrested in Las Vegas and charged with the same crimes those sites founders were charged with today: money laundering, bank fraud, wire fraud. As an Australian citizen with a lot of wealth, he was considered a flight risk and denied bail. Then after a "secret" meeting with prosecutors, he was suddenly out on bail. And now, his former colleagues are the ones facing serious jail time.

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dynastoned mmm yeah! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: roseville, ca Posts: 5,061	just tried to pokerstars "we are sorry but, due to government regulations, playing real money tournaments is not allowed in your area."

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Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	just skimming news the guy was facing 75 years?

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Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	I think the government has a case here unfortunately. Even the larger poker sites would do things like charge strange increments ($50.37, $49.65 etc) instead of the $50 you deposited, to avoid being flagged by banks as a gambling site. Also they would use thousands of shell companies with non-descript names to appear on credit card statements. The biggest problem surely is that the US made laws against online gambling, and these sites did everything they could to keep letting players play and deposit. Surely they knew something was going to give eventually, and rolled the dice with it, not wanting to lose all that US revenue.. Likely they were hoping the laws would change before something like this actually happened. This really sucks, I know a lot of people who work in the poker industry in las vegas, and FT and PS are always big sponsors as well as often being main clients producing many of the shows.. I hope this doesn't affect their ability to keep the TV money flowing.

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Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	i think those sites were cutting deals with vegas and nevada right now as well.

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kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	A friend of mine who plays online at Full Tilt just called and wondered if he will be able to get the money he has in his account back. It is a good question. My buddy said he only has around $150 in his account, but there has to be players out there with thousands and thousands in their accounts. They may have just got Mallicked.

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