Paul Markham

351 Tubes sites dishing out free porn to ex customers.

I just like dishing up a big plate of;



Being a, has been is fine. At least I was a "been" something that many never achieved.

Will anyone sit down and think it through of what will sell in porn and build it? I seriously doubt it. They're hanging on to micro niches, cams or dating sites.

It took online porn 10 years to devastate this industry, quite an achievement. In the process a few made some money. Never the money offline porn guys made, in or out of porn. But still people like to fool themselves all is fine.

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Hmm...what ever rocks your boat.

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Nathan

Paul, the fun thing is you are wrong and the industry is just consolidating...

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Nathan

I started Manwin, I guess that's good enough for me... Robbie, this business is a business like any other. If you want to create a very successful company then you do not only need porn people, you need professionals. You do not grasp our size, you will never understand me until you do.
You need to stop comparing Manwin to you. We are one of the biggest if not the biggest company in porn... And regarding the frontman stupidities, if you think so, be my guest. Only one way to figure out if I am a frontman or not. Sell something to Manwin. You'll see who signs for the deal.

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Paul Markham

You're not very good at business are you?

Ratios have been worsening since day 1. The only thing that kept the truth from being clearly exposed was the extra traffic.

Customers were being ripped off, just plain stolen from to signing up to sites that did not deliver.

When the growth in traffic leveled off Tubes hit the mix and since then sales have gone down and down. Most of the customers needs are better met by Tubes than anything for sale. You never ever even questioned where the sales were really coming from. Even though it was obviously offline porn. The bottom of the barrel has been reached, there's very little new traffic of any value to be found.

Yes the traffic is consolidating, but all that's being picked up is millions of surfers who can't and won't pay for porn. Yes you're getting sales from it.

The question is what is Manwin doing to reverse the customers thinking that free porn is a better option than paying for porn?

Definitely not Brazzers or Mofos, they offer nothing new, nothing that's not been done 1,000s of times before and often better.

No doubt you will tell us you're doing great, conversions are climbing per 1,000, retention is growing and you're making millions. Without any proof it's just words on a board.

If Manwin has the money, spend it on something that will make customers sit up and beg for it, spending it on more traffic that is less likely to buy is doomed to fail. Like it has for the last 10 years, just traffic growth hid the obvious truth.

With all respect after seeing inside your sites you desperately need more porn people. For years online porn has been run by computer geeks and traffic guys. The porn, well the attitude was always "If I give enough free porn away, someone will buy."

Bringing the industry down to your level so you can claim to be the biggest, doesn't mean you achieved much.

Seriously you're not the biggest ever porn company not by a long shot. Nor are you the richest man in porn.

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So paul, who would be the biggest in porn right now according to you?

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Paul Markham

Might very well be Manwin. I said the biggest ever, not the biggest now.

This business is winding down, not because of consolidation. Because of falling sales. The big companies are picking up the sales from smaller companies. Because smaller companies are unable to survive the decline in sales.

They're not picking up the business because they doing something radically different or better, just able to weather the storm better. The declining trend in sales will hit them and you eventually. If not already.

This is where the traffic is going.



They're not going there to pay for porn. Freeones is at the bottom and declining. Only a sample of surfers, but still a fair indication of where surfers are going.

Yes I've been telling you this for 10 years now.

"I've been telling you traffic isn't king. And getting it is the easiest job in porn"

The hardest thing to get is sales, that's why you need 1,000s of surfers to make a living. If selling online was as easy as selling offline porn was, you wouldn't need so much traffic. But you were cleverer than that. You guys decided to give porn away to get traffic. Then wondered why you needed so much traffic to make a sale.

And the answer was? Give away more free porn to get more traffic.

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Nathan

Paul, Even if I posted our audited financials you would claim they are fake, so why even bother?

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Paul Markham

So you can come to Prague for the show and show them to me.
Yes I do know you came up with $3,000 for a solo girl shoot. Thank you.

You're right I can only go on what I see.

I see all around sales falling, not just small sites but big ones as well.

I see traffic going to Tubes that are proven to convert worse than anything we've ever had.

I don't see anything on Brazzers or Mofos to reverse that trend. The sites have nothing innovative, different or even better than what's already available. Yes I know you're the biggest payer on online porn. But compared to what good shooters can earn, you don't pay enough.

It's not about what I shoot for to produce content, it's about what I could earn to produce content. For a decade online porn could never pay me enough to shoot exclusive for it. It still can't pay enough to get the top shooters in porn. Unless they own their own sites. You pay $2,000 for 3 solo girl scenes exclusive. Shooters could earn $3,000 from one set non exclusive, why should any other good shooter work for you or any other online porn company?

Yes the business has changed and good shooters are turning to wedding, shooting hotels, wildlife or just retiring. They're not lining up outside your door to work for you. Or if they are they're not doing anything very marvelous. Then it begs the question WHY NOT?

I don't doubt at the moment you're picking up business from other online companies. Taking 5,000 surfers and 5 sales from other sites and converting them into 5,000 surfers and 1 on yours, is not good business. Try taking 5,000 surfers from them and turning them into 10 on yours. That's good business.

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Nathan

Actually Paul, we got 25 shooters that signed up to our producer call and got 14 submissions of content which will go up on brazzers shortly.

So some seem to be interested to work for us. Your 3 scenes for 2000 is a bit flawed in my opinion since you very well know the biggest cost is the girl and that you pay for the day usually. Anyway, plenty are happy with what we pay. You also have to see the amounts in context with a bigger contract, guaranteed X days of work each month.

Our shooters over time also have built a lot of props and built a library thus lower costs over time....

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Roald

Yes our alexa is declining however thats on our .com domain. The moment we started redirecting countries to their matching domain extension it went down on the .com. Makes sense I think huh, specially since traffic is up overall

You really have no idea what our ratios are Paul, like with Mr Brazzers here it wouldn't make sense to post them since you wouldn't believe me anyways.

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So... if these "big" tube sites aren't sending sells, then what happens when they have so much traffic, they can't afford to cover their own overhead?

Cherry7

Why don't we watch Paul Markham's video ?

After all that is supposed to show how quality will lead the industry out of crisis.

Can we see it ?

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Robbie

Hey did Fabian ever reveal that he EVER ran or owned even ONE successful adult business before he was hired to be the front guy for Manwin?

If not...I wonder how he was able to suddenly have millions and millions of dollars?
lol

What a useless clown.

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Paul Markham

You haven't addressed my point. What it can be shot for and what the guys applying to you are prepared to work isn't the controlling factor.

It's always about what the shooter can sell it for and what he can earn.

The majority, if not all, of the custom shooters online weren't good enough to sell to offline porn consitently to a good paying market.. Absolutely definitely they couldn't sell to magazines. The only site I've seen that could sell to magazines was Alsscan. The rest of them their stills work isn't good enough. For many reasons I have pointed out to you.

As for the amounts they earn and how many shoots they can do. All pointless. I've seen inside Brazzers and Mofos and the content isn't good. a few Brazzers scenes are, the majority not. To formatted, fake and too bloody long. Mofos, well less said about that the better. This is hurting your bottom line, less retention and less returning customers. I suspect like so many other online porn companies Manwin spends more on getting new members than keeping existing ones.

As for video, maybe one of your shooter did work for offline, the rest make elementary mistakes. Framing being one of the most obvious. Then there are others I've also pointed out to you.

Now the porn market is in decline, of course you have people chasing you for work. People who can't shoot weddings to a decent standard. A good wedding photographer can earn far more than he would earn working for you, shooting weddings is less hassle and far more reliable than shooting porn. So what is the level of shooters applying, that's what important, not the numbers.

Will take a look at the submissions when they're ready. And give you my reviews.

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Nathan

And again, we are a company like any other... you do not need to know how to run a successful _adult_ business to run Manwin. We have people in the company that know that. Delegating is a key to great success...

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Robbie

Couldn't help myself...just had to look at your last post Fabian.

TO THE REAL OWNERS OF MANWIN:
I don't know how the hell Fabian convinced you that he was the right guy for this job.
A man who has NEVER ran a company and NEVER had even one successful business. And a guy whom I can see through like glass.

Come on guys...this clown is clueless about how this business runs. That much is obvious from just looking at his pathetic monetization of Pornhub, KeezMovies, and all of your other Tube properties.

A guy like me, and a handful of other people in this business, look at that shit and see that we could turn it into something generating several more million dollars per month. And at the same time turn your name from being a pariah, into being the biggest affiliate in the world.

Fabian doesn't know what he's doing. Maybe it's time you got some REAL people in there and stop having the entire industry laughing at this fiasco behind your back.

The word "Fabian" at any adult convention brings mass rolling of the eyes and laughter. The word "Brazzers" brings out expletives and threats. The word "Manwin" even worse.

You guys are leaving more money on the table than you are making right now.

FIRE that idiot. I'll take that job and turn "Manwin" into a company that makes a lot more money and at the same time makes EVERYONE more money in this industry.

And I'll do it in a matter of DAYS.

Fabian is just a clown who talks. I would have fired him in the first week. I'm used to getting things DONE. While he doesn't even know how.

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Paul Markham

Well you could just post the Alexa stats to the places it's being redirected to.

The picture I see from the whole industry, including your sites, is that traffic to most non Tube sites is declining. Traffic to Tube sites is increasing. Ratios across the business are getting worse and worse.

Maybe you're doing something to buck the system and making more money with less traffic. I don't see the reason why. Want to show others who will believe you?

Can you show us where someone said Tubes aren't sending sales please. So we can tell the poster he's wrong.

Of course they send sales and I showed clearly they do. But 10,000 on a Tube site was worth a lot more on a TGP and would of been worth a lot more on a link list. The idea that giving free porn away created demand is stupid, it clearly satisfies too much of the need to buy.

I never heard the word marketing, in porn, used before online porn came along. Not because they didn't know how to do it. It just wasn't that important. They knew porn more or less sells itself. The amount of marketing needed is this.





And stick it on a shelf. If the customer liked the product, he bought it again and again. If he didn't he never bought that brand again. It really was that simple. The online porn business made it hard, throw out tons of free content for a product that doesn't retain and converts like shit. Then instead of making the product right, it spent more on free porn.

If 50 people walked into a porn shop and didn't buy, it shut it's doors. If 50 people look at a tour and 1 doesn't buy. Get another 50 people, then another and today it needs 500-1,000. But the the real loss is the numbers consuming free porn and never visit the tours.

Don't worry, Tubes make sales. Just shitty sales on the numbers of surfers on the site.

And that's what this thread is about. The numbers who hit the site, look at the porn, go to the tour and the number who buy.

If my video is better than anything on Mofos, I proved my point.

If it's not I've proved that the shooters who worked exclusively for online porn shooting custom. Were fools.

It's a win-win situation for me. Plus I got $3,000 for an afternoons work.

It's not about what I can shoot. It's about what I could sell it for.

I've seen the stills and have a copy here, which will be deleted when I hear from Manwin they have it all fine. I nailed the stills set. It's far superior to what I've seen on any site online, except sites like DDF, Viv Thomas and other offline shooters.

The video I'm not so sure about, I'm sure the construction of the scene is great, the model was great and the framing was better than most online shooters. And that's what really counts. Sound, well I explained that one and will have to see what the finished product came out like.

And I should of taken a monitor and admit I forgot that.

So like you I'm waiting to see the final edited scene.

What's the news Fabian?

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Robbie

Paul you're kinda comparing apples to oranges.

50 people walking into a porn shop REALLY represent 50 people who are PRE-SOLD and are coming in the store deliberately to buy a particular product.

That would be the equivalent of the people who come to my site and head straight for the Join page. They have already been on the tour days in advance and are now ready to BUY.

I get 50 out of 50 (minus the ones who get declined for a bad credit card) on those. Just like the porn store did.

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Paul Markham

You need to know who to delegate to, if they're doing a good job and what to do if they're not.

Yes when it gets to the level of running BA, a director needs to know how to direct and run a big company. Not necessarily how to fly a plane. A company of your size in porn, needs to know a lot more about porn than you do. Because on content it's clear you delegate to the wrong people.

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Robbie

I'd say that the REAL owners fucked up by delegating shit to Fabian. He's clueless.

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Paul Markham

Robbie you're not very good at online marketing are you.

The guys going to Pornhub every week are also pre-sold to.

The idea of people stumbling onto a porn site and getting intrigued enough to buy, isn't very good marketing.

Best traffic, from a members area and SE. Worse traffic. The guys who go to Pornhub everyday.

The same goes for TGP sites. The people going there were pre-sold to. Well pre-sold on the idea of not paying. By not giving away free porn, online porn would have the same ratios as a porn shop.

Why go to a site with just links, if you don't want to buy porn?

Why go to a TGP or Tube site if you don't want to buy porn?

Seriously when it comes to marketing porn you don't know a lot. When it comes to accumulating loads of traffic that converts badly, while teaching surfers not to pay for porn. I'm sure you're good. That's not marketing, it's throwing mud at a wall and hoping something will stick.

Like so many in porn, they see the few sales and miss the big picture. Maybe because they're not able to ever see the big picture. The history of failure in online porn goes back to dialers pissing off customers. And through to today with people giving porn away to 1,000s to get 1 sales. Why? Because they can do it in online porn. About the stupidest reason ever.

Think about how many of that 1,000 would buy if all they could get for free was a link of text. Amazing thought isn't it. Can you see how online fucked up?

Seriously tell me what you know about real marketing.

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I'm better at marketing porn than you will ever be Paul. You don't have the intelligence to even comment to me about it.

You are a good photographer.

I played in bands with a lot of good bass players, drummers, etc. Didn't mean they understood the entertainment biz.

Just like you don't understand me or what I can do. I AM a marketing machine. That's why you can't even begin to keep up with me.

Now tell me what YOU know about marketing porn other than a picture of a magazine cover?

I'm making more things happen RIGHT NOW than you have ever had happening in your life Paul. And I'm not a do-nothing front guy like Fabian.

I do EVERYTHING myself. Every aspect of the content production, every aspect of design, every aspect of SEO, every line of html...and a million more things everyday.

What do I know about marketing porn? The same thing I know about marketing and promoting ALL forms of entertainment. It's what I do.

By myself I have made several million dollars doing it. And I'm STILL making several million dollars doing it, even with the collapse of my affiliate work thanks to piracy.

You're not even in my league Paul. Not even close. You're WAY above an idiot like Fabian. And I respect you for your ONE skill of photography. But to think you are even close to me in any other way is just you being delusional.

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Paul Markham

Really it wasn't worth reading the rest. Just self praise.

A. You don't give away the product in the quantity and consistency online porn did if you want to maximise sales. It reduces the need to buy. No other business has ever done it. There's a bloody good reason for that.

They have proper marketing people in charge of them.

And please don't blurt out you were only putting out a gallery of 20 pictures or 4 x 1 minute clips. You and 10,000 other people were doing the same. Kind of shoots the exercise of limiting what one person gave away.

B. There is no B. As A. covers it.

After that you went on a little rant about how great you are. Not once giving me any marketing knowledge. That in itself is failure in marketing. You're not selling yourself.

As for being a good photographer, that clearly shows you know little about photography.

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Robbie

It's not bragging if it's true Paul.

You aren't in my league and you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to selling porn. It's something you never did.
In this case, you're no different than Fabian. A guy who failed at doing something now trying to comment on it like an expert.

You ARE a good photographer. You had tremendous success as a photographer. I respect you for that, and none of the uneducated things you are saying now will cause me to change my opinion of you in that regard.

I still will treat you with the utmost respect for your work which I admire.

But to me...you're like a really good engine mechanic trying to talk down to Dr. Porsche

Or a great guitarist trying to tell Keith Richards how to make it big in music.

Or a classically trained actor trying to tell Brad Pitt how to be a movie star.

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Paul Markham

To date no one online has impressed me with his "marketing" skills.

Skills at building traffic, giving away porn, getting good SEO, isn't marketing.

Marketing is about increasing peoples desire to buy the product, making the product fit customers needs better and over all promoting the product. It's not selling, it marketing.

All online did was take 100,000s then millions of surfers. Then sell to a declining % of them over the years. The more they built the traffic the smaller % that bought. And the solution was always more traffic, which usually meant more free porn which led to a smaller % buying.

That's not marketing, it's throwing mud at a wall in the hope it will stick.

Telling someone a product delivers something it clearly doesn't isn't marketing either. It's conning.

I've no doubt Robbie has made some money, but not from "marketing". From building traffic that probably converted at 1-1,000, even in the good days. The numbers of people who looked at the product is the true number of surfers. Not the number who clicked on a link.

A TGP site is a porn shop, displaying lots of peoples goods. EVERY SINGLE person, beside the person who lands there by accident, is interested in porn. Some can't buy, the numbers who could and didn't because they didn't have to are staggering.

Here's a sales story told over the years.

2 salesmen land on a desert island with lots of samples of shoes.

1 phones the office and says "I'm coming back, no one here wears shoes."

The other phones the office and says "Send containers full of shoes. No one here has any."

It's not a perfect example of online porn, but it illustrates the point that if everyone has shoes there's no need to buy. Online porn gave away free porn and very few wanted to buy. They didn't have to.

Robbie you fail at pointing out what I can do. Good photographers work for other people who can sell their work to publishers. I always sold my own work. That's how little you know about marketing. Do you think people came to buy from me, without me going out and marketing and selling the porn?

You still haven't posted anything to indicate you have a clue about marketing and thinking all I am is a good photographer clearly shows what little you know.

Good night, you're wrong but will never see it.

Post some marketing knowledge please. And STFU with the self praise. Let your ego down a notch or 3.

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Nathan

Robbie, as if you do not read every single post I write...

It's always fun to read your self praise... you clearly are awesome, looking at what you have "achieved" ...

You also seem to not be able to decide if I am a front man (which would clearly mean I have nothing to say and just post here for fun) or now someone the "real owners" delegated stuff to and should fire... make up your mind.

In terms of your bragging.. do finally tell us oh what you did that was so great? Give me one reason to hire you and I'll do so and give you 10% of the MILLIONS you will make the tubes more each month by your owe so awesome marketing skills that outperform everyone at Manwin.

How many millions btw? 2, 3, 5, 10 more each month?

If your excuse for not taking this offer is "you have nothing to say at manwin anyway", I'll give you proof that I have. All that JUST to see you fail and let everyone laugh at your stupidity..

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Paul, Paul, Paul:

A "nice $xxx.xxx income" IS exceptional. Why? Here's why:

I started in January 2009. 2 1/2 years ago (almost). ZERO money, ZERO online skills. ZERO. Now look at me: 28 websites and counting, an entire successful network, MID six figures income.....yes, exceptional. Mister Peabody should be on Oprah Winfrey as a real American success story.

having said all that Paul: YOUR problem is pathetically low self-esteem coupled with a giant overcompensating ego. MY income/success/online business/experiences have ZERO to do with YOU Paul, your success or failures, your experiences, your business...only a pathetic, sad figure would contstantly compare themselves to other people, as you do in almost every post in almost every thread, as if you are THE Authority.

Final point (because then I'm done with Paul "what's going on?" Markham):

It's not JUST content, it's not JUST traffic, it's not JUST market share, it's not JUST Tours or Members Areas or bonus content or whatever the fuck you can think to throw in there Paulie. IT'S A COMBINATION OF EVERYTHING.

If it were JUST the content, or JUST the traffic, or JUST the (fill in the blank)...then anyone and everyone would do JUST THAT ONE THING.

So harp on "content content content" all you want (coming from a former content producer, how shockingly self-absorbed) but that's only part of the equation, and the more you dismiss the other aspects of business the further you get from anyone taking you seriously. OBVIOUSLY Manwin/Nathan/Fabien/Brazzers whoever are making money, Robbie is making money, I'm making money, Barefootsies is making money, many others on this board are somehow (somehow) making money....

The only person NOT making money is Paul Markham. Ah ha! We finally get to the truth behind all of Paul's endless, misbegotten rants: Jealousy.

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PS: Sme "marketing" that will surely (not) impress Paulie:

Changing your Join buttons from red to orange, because market research shows orange is better for Join buttons
Changing your link structure so surfers are pointed to the Join page
A-B testing every design change, from colors to thumbnail placements, to "hot spots" on pages, to....on and on.
Email marketing your former members
Having Newsletters to keep your current (and ex) members notified of any cool changes
Writing and re-writing ad text....

Of course we market, silly Paul!

Oh - and I was a "mainstream" journalist for fifteen years there Paulie, writing for Penthouse, Esquire, New York magazine, on and on. So I know the mag trade as well as you, having been an editor for the Village Voice for 3 years and other gigs I could list. But whatever, keep thinking no one else knows shit but Thee. LOL

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didn't know chuck eddy posted on gfy.

gideongallery

remember this is a guy who was so fundamentally clueless about the traffic review sites get
what the people comming to the sites expect that he adviced them to cover up the negatives of his site.

he completely failed to realize that act would burn all the traffic as people looked for "honest" review sites.

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what a thread...

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There ARE no "honest" review sites - until mine launches later this summer, that is! heh heh

If it comes down to siding with people who make money in this psycho industry versus people who USED TO make money in this psycho industry, I'll side with the current money-makers thank you.

(Chuck Eddy? Nice one, but no.)

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Paul Markham

Sadly as far as online porn is concerned you're spot on for shooters.

After that you went the same route as Robbie, telling us how great you are. YOUR problem is pathetically low self-esteem coupled with a giant overcompensating ego. I suspect.

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gideongallery

and that is why i put "honest" in quotes

robbie brilliant arguement was because they get paid for the sale they should give every site posititve reviews and basically give glowing reviews to his treaming only site.

he completely ignored/didn't realize that a review site get upwards of 75-90% of their sales from people who come to their site to see if something they found it worth it

ie see a gallery -> go to the site -> go to the review site -> go back to the site -> buy

if the review site gave everyone great reviews or covered up hidden gotcha like streaming only

those surfers would goo to a different more "honest" review site in step3 and the revenue from that transaction would be gone forever.

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Paulie shush! The grown-ups are talking.


True, that IS the review site theory, how it's supposed to work. But I also think people get to review sites from Google, from other review sites and so on. The problem really occurs, I think, when someone goes TO THAT PAYSITE, which has the recip link to the review. The surfer clicks the review and gets a so-so or even bad review, and it's like that paysite is advertising the fact that their site sucks. LOL

A smart review site peruser will note - and THIS is really the #1 issue with review sites - that 95% of the sites get "so-so" reviews while - SHOCK! - the review site's "Top Ten" are all Brograms who paid the review site to cook the books, so to speak. Therefore a review site reader reads review A, which is a 67 out of 100, then sees fucking Reality Kings (?) as #2 with a 98 out of 100.

Review sites are like see-saws, which never see (or saw). LOL Everything is slanted towards a handful of sites so good "honest" websites get exploited.

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unimatrix0

Do tube sites bring sales? Yes. To verry few programs.
Do tube sites devalue the traffic? Yes.
Do tube sites help kill the competition? Yes, they do.

What Manwin is looking by -consolidation- is the destruction of the competition. They will buy the content, and in the end they will be the only one selling proffesional porn.

Here is the map:

build tube site -> survive from sales they bring -> destroy competition -> buy their assets -> Monopoly -> profit

If you control the free porn, and if you control the qality porn, then is a matter of reducing the free porn available to the surfers so you get them to sign up to your sites... Manwin control. At least the teory.

Robbie

Number 1: I AM great. And I do kick more ass in this business (and in every aspect of life) than you and 99% of the people in this world do. I am a HUNGRY motherfucker and an unstoppable force.

Number 2: You are forcing me to defensively have to tell you that YES I do know what I'm doing. lol
You make posts baiting me to "prove" what I do. So I then tell you, and then you call it bragging.

It ain't bragging if it's true Paul. But I'm sure you already know that. This whole discussion is all wrapped up in your new sig-whoring career to get views.
I know that, and I'm happy to help you in any way I can.
EDIT: I just noticed your sig whoring may be over already.

To date...no one has cared to "impress" YOU with their marketing skills Paul.

Again...it would be like me trying to "impress" the janitor or a guy mowing my yard.

Marketing porn to customers is not what you do for a living and never did. So you only have a pre-conceived notion and no real experience.

But I am impressed with your work in the past as a photographer. Not impressed at all with your past failed "marketing" of your paysites which was a laughing stock in the industry.

Like Clint Eastwood once said in a Dirty Harry movie: "A man's got to know his limitations"

My bottom line:
Manwin needs to FIRE Fabian. I'm frothing at the mouth thinking of how much money I could make with that traffic while Fabian let's month after month go by and does...nothing.

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gideongallery

seriously how stupid do you have to be to put a recip link to a review site that gives you a crappy review

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Jakez

-Webmasters are giving away more and more free porn
-Less and less people are paying for porn
-The product needs to improve

Did I miss anything? Is there ANYONE who posts on here who doesn't know this stuff already?

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Killuminati

The Porn Nerd

LOL well, it's required to get the review and traffic, first of all. I personally take off the negative review because I don't need their traffic but many, many sites do so they remain.

Plus, just about every review is a "negative review" compared to their bogus "top ten", that's my point.

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Nathan

Robbie, you will never understand me... ever... it's completely over your head.

BTW, your site's nats affiliate code tracking is broken... but then again, I guess you have no affiliates anyway so noone is complaining to you.

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Robbie

Fabian, I am so glad I clicked on "View Post" again out of curiosity.

And again you show your stupidity. This time on the program that you helped write.

The tour you looked at is the NON-AFFILIATE tour.

Hit join on that tour and you will go straight to Zombaio every time. Not to my Nats cascade.

The affiliate tour is located at http://claudia-marie.com/tour/

You really just don't have any idea what you're doing do you?

Clown.

Please REAL owners of Manwin...FIRE this guy. He doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

EDIT: By the way genius...YOU are one of my affiliates. But of course your company is sooooooo big that I can't even fathom it and a big shot like you wouldn't have any idea who you are promoting.
Which is why you are a joke.

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Nathan

BTW stupid, your _NATS_ site itself is broken... freak.

And yes, you are an idiot, WTF should I know what sites we promote? you REALLY do not get Manwin...

You should have read my other post btw... but no, you of course claim you have not so you do not have to struggle to explain why you do not take me up on the offer...

Have fun Robbie...

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carzygirls

Now what? 2 so called professionals calling eachother stupid, freak, idiot, ... hold da phone, got to scroll up... hmmm only clown from Robbie.

Next round...

Robbie

Nope, my NATS site comes up just fine. Again you are a clown. And all tracking is going through just fine. I'm inside it now.

So the tour page works fine, the join page works fine, traffic and sales are tracking in my admin.
WTF are you talking about?

And I really do have you "Ignore". You have my attention now. So I am clicking on View Post.

As for any "offer" you have?
My offer is for the real owners to fire you.

If you have an offer for me...then that can only be done one way. Face to face. I'd fly to you with no problem and sit down and listen (at my own expense of course...don't need your money)

I don't discuss business on GFY. I'm not Paul, looking to put on a show. I'm a serious person and I don't have any patience for bullshit.

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Robbie

I'm gonna go out and have some adult beverages for the evening.

Later...

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Nathan

LOL...

You read my offer, it's simple. If you think I am not the real owner, then tough luck.

You have nothing to offer us anyway Robbie, all of your remarks are just empty talk without any clue about our actual business. Just the fact that you for some reason think I should know all the sites we promote shows that you are COMPLETELY out of touch.

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