Manwin Demands ICM Prevent .XXX Exploitation - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

Nathan · 07-06-2011, 05:26 AM

Pass on you?? You clearly do not know much about me! Lol...

pornguy · 07-06-2011, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

This is the best part:

Manwin is stepping up and saying "We aren't paying this. It's extortion. Nice.

Thats one way to look at it.

CaptainHowdy · 07-06-2011, 06:06 AM

ShellShocked · 07-06-2011, 06:11 AM

In walks Joan...

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

u-Bob · 07-06-2011, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Odd that you think I think you are talking about me. I had a feeling you were talking shit just like that u-bob character. If you [or him] knew anything I doubt you would hold back.

Ok, let's get this straight once and for all.

As most people around here know:
- I've been fighting this .xxx for a very long time.
- I've never been afraid to speak my mind.
- I'm not the kind of person that starts fake drama all over the place.

Some time ago I started noticing something odd. I started getting the impression that you (who in the past has always been anti .xxx) were getting more tolerant towards the ICM Registry. Whether or not this was your intention is impossible to tell. You're the only one who can answer that. But based on your posts, that was the impression I got.

At the same time I noticed a certain hostility from your part towards people who used humor (comments like "I heard all .xxx are filled with malware") to fight the .xxx or people who made certain errors in thinking when writing their anti .xxx posts. At the time I didn't think much of this. I attributed it to a difference in style. Personally I applaud any attempt to stop the ICM and if someone makes an error I try to correct it. Just like I did in goodgirl's thread about the danger of the ICM monopolizing search in the .xxx tld. You have, let's face it, at times displayed the tendency to "bark" (pun intended) at those posts you deem to be "simpleminded". Again, it is possible that this was never your intention. however, that is the impression I got.

Last week, when chatting on icq about the .xxx tld, 2 other GFY'ers brought up the exact same points. And 1 of them asked me if I knew something about a rumor he'd heard. The rumor being that you had been approached by the ICM to fill the gap created when Chris 2/3.0 left. My first reaction was : this can't be true. Or maybe they did approach him but he surely must have told them to go fuck themselves.

Around the same time I got a 3rd icq msg about the same rumor. I discreetly asked around. I emailed 2 people who've been long time members of this industry and fiercely anti-.xxx. Both of them replied that they didn't know anything about this and that they'd find it hard to believe. I also contacted 5 people on icq. 2 of them I basically told "this is the rumor, know anything about?". The 3 others I asked more indirectly: "any news on the .xxx front?".

Out of those 7 people I contacted (2email, 5 icq), 2 replied that they had picked up a rumor about you, 1 other didn't know anything about a rumor but did mention what he described to be your "change of heart".

At that time I started to get a bit worried. To be honest, I never like your style, but I always respected your efforts to fight the .xxx tld and I was impressed when you took the time and made the effort to go to san Fransisco to be one of the few to actually protest there.

Part of me didn't want to believe the rumors. Another part of me is always a bit suspicious, so you could summarize my position at that time as: "I hope it's not true."

Around that time I started a new gfy thread asking if the ICM Registry had hired a gfy-er to do its dirty work. One reason for this was that the way Chris 2/3.0 and NALEM got shitlisted all over the place for doing business with the ICM and that this thread would serve as a warning/message to whoever might be considering taking money from the ICM next. The other reason was to find out if anyone knew anything about the rumor that the ICM had approached you. In that thread I never once said anything about you or the rumor about you.

Funny thing is that some of the replies in that thread could be seen as references to you and 1 person later contacted me asking "Who is it? Is it baddog?". I replied: "I hope not".

To be honest, I still wasn't sure what to make of it. Lots of rumors, no proof...

At one point you made an anti-.xxx remark and I replied that it was great to see that you still were anti-.xxx and that the rumors must false then.

At that point i really thought, ok, he's still on the good side.

However, ever since then you have continued to display a certain hostility. You never once asked what this rumor was (I never posted it) either on gfy or on icq. Did you already know about this rumor?

So to summarize: personally I don't think you are working for the ICM. However, the attitude you have been displaying lately has obviously given the impression to some that you are. Your refusal to clearly state that you are not working for the ICM (either directly or indirectly) when people allude to it, may not be the best way to handle this. And calling everyone who says something you don't like a simpleton or an idiot certainly isn't.

baddog · 07-06-2011, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by u-Bob

blah blah blah

Why the fuck would I care what you thought?

DamageX · 07-06-2011, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Why the fuck would I care what you thought?

Getting touchy, are we?

Caligari · 07-06-2011, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Because in causes discussions like this one. This thread caused counter points to discuss all possible motives of ICM and to segregate hearsay/rumors from facts. Currently, when it comes to ICM there's still lot's of "ifs" and what "could" happen, but what is fact, free tubes killed this industry.

Now this leaves you three choices and that is to sellout (slaughtered), become a roman (build your own micro-tubes or support role for the emperors) and live off the crumbs of the conquering Romans, or flee the beautiful city of porn and regroup elsewhere.

I would choose to flee and run the risk of regrouping with a well financed foe. The next strategy would be to attack and cut the supply lines and encircle the Roman Porn City and then starve them to death.

But that's just me because I'd rather be a Lion for a day then a sheep for a 100.

Do you have something against Romans;)

But really if the whole story was that free tubes killed this industry, you might as well close down GFY and simply put "Free Tubes Killed This Industry" on the front page and be done with it.

IMO the worst thing that can happen is that people forget, so keeping open discussion of these current issues is not only good it's absolutely necessary.

cherrylula · 07-06-2011, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Right, For YOUR business you need a whole new extension, like maybe .theft, or .leach

LOL awesome

cherrylula · 07-06-2011, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SlammedCash

This coming from a guy who steals other webmasters content and profits from it, what a joke.

funny huh.

Jman · 07-06-2011, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I read this out loud to goodgirl. She laughed and said, "yep."

How about you let us know when she sneezes, that would be fun

MrCain · 07-06-2011, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Why the fuck would I care what you thought?

Are you working for ICMRegistry, yes or no?

baddog · 07-06-2011, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MrCain

Are you working for ICMRegistry, yes or no?

Try opening your eyes.

MrCain · 07-06-2011, 08:25 AM

Yes or no?

Tjeezers · 07-06-2011, 08:36 AM

LTD`s, STD`s, i thought it was all the same.

Freaky_Akula · 07-06-2011, 09:20 AM

Baddog, answer the question. Or do you have something to hide?

baddog · 07-06-2011, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Freaky_Akula

Baddog, answer the question. Or do you have something to hide?

You need to stop being so obvious who you are, u-bob.

Herd · 07-06-2011, 02:45 PM

A few big studios stand to make a killing if .XXX becomes mandatory. At the same time, a few big companies stand to lose an enormous amount of money because of .XXX.
Just hope those big companies, that could end up losing most of their profits, if .XXX becomes law, will not allow that to happen.

GetSCORECash · 07-06-2011, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Herd

A few big studios stand to make a killing if .XXX becomes mandatory.

Can you name them? Is the answer the studios that buy the domains now?

arock10 · 07-06-2011, 03:11 PM

cool thread

TheSquealer · 07-06-2011, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Herd

A few big studios stand to make a killing if .XXX becomes mandatory. At the same time, a few big companies stand to lose an enormous amount of money because of .XXX.
Just hope those big companies, that could end up losing most of their profits, if .XXX becomes law, will not allow that to happen.

How exactly will it "become mandatory"?

No one has any explanation for this.

How do you put porn.com, porn.net, porn.org, porn.lv, porn.nu, porn.cz etc etc etc - on porn.xxx?

How will it be implemented?

By who?

How will it be enforced?

Anyone see the problems there?

Anyone at all?

V_RocKs · 07-06-2011, 03:54 PM

Interesting.

Caligari · 07-06-2011, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Herd

A few big studios stand to make a killing if .XXX becomes mandatory. At the same time, a few big companies stand to lose an enormous amount of money because of .XXX.
Just hope those big companies, that could end up losing most of their profits, if .XXX becomes law, will not allow that to happen.

.XXX will not become manadatory, it's just not possible. you already have expanding TLDs on the horizon like .adult, .porn etc so that nips it in the bud right there.

then you have all the existing sites and legal battles into decades. if the lame asses try to make .XXX mandatory it will be tied up in the courts so long it will lose any value it has, which ain't much to begin with.

livexxx · 07-06-2011, 05:23 PM

Still waiting for the call from .XXX and if he doesn't phone tomorrow then I am going for XXX. instead

Alprazolam · 07-06-2011, 05:43 PM

vobile is a crock of shit. for the win. its a scam.

FetishWeb · 07-06-2011, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by NewNick

?The misuse of our intellectual property will not be tolerated,?

Priceless.....

This one is even better :

Manwin said that it believes "that the onus is on ICM to honor and protect the rights of the adult content industry"

I bet you will all sleep easy now you have Manwin protecting your rights and intellectual property from those might find a loop hole to exploit !!!

Well, the saying is "send a thief to catch a thief".

BigRod · 07-06-2011, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

The system we have in place is called Vobile. Also, safe harbor and sunrise is hardly the same thing. BTW, using infringing, stealing and safe harbor or dmca in the same sentence makes little sense. Just shows how little you understand this.

You have to see the IRONY behind the largest content thieves since Napster making a statement like ?The misuse of our intellectual property will not be tolerated,?!

topnotch, standup guy · 07-07-2011, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

The system we have in place is called Vobile.

A business model that can be best compared to what the mob used to call selling "protection".

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Originally Posted by Nathan

BTW, using infringing, stealing and safe harbor or dmca in the same sentence makes little sense. Just shows how little you understand this.

How so? It's all about the same slimy shit.

.

topnotch, standup guy · 07-07-2011, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Try opening your eyes.

I don't get it. Why are you letting these ugly rumors build up and fester?

You're smart enough and you've been around long enough to know, frontwards and backwards, how this shit works.

And, no, I'm not u-Bob

.

jimmycooper · 07-07-2011, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Let me explain a current strategy in historical Military terms.

Allow me to explain the reality of the situation in modern day, real world terms.

Manwin did not invent tubes. Spankwire and Youporn have been highly trafficked websites for years and Manwin didn't buy Spankwire until last summer and they didn't buy Youporn until a couple months ago. As far as I know, they did not create a single one of their tube sites. What they did is they acknowledged a market reality, that being the emergence of tubes, and found a way to make it work for them.

If Manwin didn't buy those or other tube sites, the tube sites would still be there only they would be operated by and generating revenue for companies who do not produce porn, who did not hire adult talent, and who did not have a vested interest in the paysite model.

Since you like analogies, Jesus H. Christ, here's something to think about. It's said that your alleged father created the Devil and the concept of "Evil" as way to explain the sometimes unexplainable behavior of man. Thousands of years later, whiny cunt webmasters are doing the same because they don't understand how markets evolve, they're confused, and it's easier for them and their tiny little brains to have someone for whom to pinpoint the blame. Amen.

Zyber · 07-07-2011, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by u-Bob

Ok, let's get this straight once and for all.

As most people around here know:
- I've been fighting this .xxx for a very long time.
- I've never been afraid to speak my mind.
- I'm not the kind of person that starts fake drama all over the place.

Some time ago I started noticing something odd. I started getting the impression that you (who in the past has always been anti .xxx) were getting more tolerant towards the ICM Registry. Whether or not this was your intention is impossible to tell. You're the only one who can answer that. But based on your posts, that was the impression I got.

At the same time I noticed a certain hostility from your part towards people who used humor (comments like "I heard all .xxx are filled with malware") to fight the .xxx or people who made certain errors in thinking when writing their anti .xxx posts. At the time I didn't think much of this. I attributed it to a difference in style. Personally I applaud any attempt to stop the ICM and if someone makes an error I try to correct it. Just like I did in goodgirl's thread about the danger of the ICM monopolizing search in the .xxx tld. You have, let's face it, at times displayed the tendency to "bark" (pun intended) at those posts you deem to be "simpleminded". Again, it is possible that this was never your intention. however, that is the impression I got.

Last week, when chatting on icq about the .xxx tld, 2 other GFY'ers brought up the exact same points. And 1 of them asked me if I knew something about a rumor he'd heard. The rumor being that you had been approached by the ICM to fill the gap created when Chris 2/3.0 left. My first reaction was : this can't be true. Or maybe they did approach him but he surely must have told them to go fuck themselves.

Around the same time I got a 3rd icq msg about the same rumor. I discreetly asked around. I emailed 2 people who've been long time members of this industry and fiercely anti-.xxx. Both of them replied that they didn't know anything about this and that they'd find it hard to believe. I also contacted 5 people on icq. 2 of them I basically told "this is the rumor, know anything about?". The 3 others I asked more indirectly: "any news on the .xxx front?".

Out of those 7 people I contacted (2email, 5 icq), 2 replied that they had picked up a rumor about you, 1 other didn't know anything about a rumor but did mention what he described to be your "change of heart".

At that time I started to get a bit worried. To be honest, I never like your style, but I always respected your efforts to fight the .xxx tld and I was impressed when you took the time and made the effort to go to san Fransisco to be one of the few to actually protest there.

Part of me didn't want to believe the rumors. Another part of me is always a bit suspicious, so you could summarize my position at that time as: "I hope it's not true."

Around that time I started a new gfy thread asking if the ICM Registry had hired a gfy-er to do its dirty work. One reason for this was that the way Chris 2/3.0 and NALEM got shitlisted all over the place for doing business with the ICM and that this thread would serve as a warning/message to whoever might be considering taking money from the ICM next. The other reason was to find out if anyone knew anything about the rumor that the ICM had approached you. In that thread I never once said anything about you or the rumor about you.

Funny thing is that some of the replies in that thread could be seen as references to you and 1 person later contacted me asking "Who is it? Is it baddog?". I replied: "I hope not".

To be honest, I still wasn't sure what to make of it. Lots of rumors, no proof...

At one point you made an anti-.xxx remark and I replied that it was great to see that you still were anti-.xxx and that the rumors must false then.

At that point i really thought, ok, he's still on the good side.

However, ever since then you have continued to display a certain hostility. You never once asked what this rumor was (I never posted it) either on gfy or on icq. Did you already know about this rumor?

So to summarize: personally I don't think you are working for the ICM. However, the attitude you have been displaying lately has obviously given the impression to some that you are. Your refusal to clearly state that you are not working for the ICM (either directly or indirectly) when people allude to it, may not be the best way to handle this. And calling everyone who says something you don't like a simpleton or an idiot certainly isn't.

Interesting rumour.

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Originally Posted by baddog

Why the fuck would I care what you thought?

Interesting reaction.

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Originally Posted by MrCain

Are you working for ICMRegistry, yes or no?

Why evade the simple question?

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Originally Posted by baddog

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Originally Posted by Freaky_Akula

Baddog, answer the question. Or do you have something to hide?

You need to stop being so obvious who you are, u-bob.

Paranoid?

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Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

I don't get it. Why are you letting these ugly rumors build up and fester?

You're smart enough and you've been around long enough to know, frontwards and backwards, how this shit works.

And, no, I'm not u-Bob

.

Silence?

georgeyw · 07-07-2011, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You need to stop being so obvious who you are, u-bob.

Not a real tough question to answer.

Caligari · 07-07-2011, 05:29 AM

alright its getting lame now, he already answered it in the thread. "nope"

Freaky_Akula · 07-07-2011, 07:17 AM

Baddog

Dirty Dane · 07-07-2011, 07:27 AM

From what I understand, you can't register without using the domain yourself. Parking, redirections etc. not allowed... Blocking the domain is the only option.

Shey · 07-07-2011, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Are you involved with ICM in any way?

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Originally Posted by baddog

Nope . . .

Looks pretty straight forward to me

baddog · 07-07-2011, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Shey

Looks pretty straight forward to me

They must not understand English. Not really sure what to do. Send them to http://translate.google.com/ ?

MaDalton · 07-07-2011, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

From what I understand, you can't register without using the domain yourself. Parking, redirections etc. not allowed... Blocking the domain is the only option.

no, you can buy the .xxx and redirect

that makes the whole "child protection" and "anti malware" so funny - just redirect your .xxx to some spyware hell and that's ok because "it's not on .xxx anymore"

MrCain · 07-07-2011, 01:57 PM

Baddog, I did not know Brujah had already asked the same question and that you had answered it. I must have missed that part. Still, It was a perfectly reasonable question to ask. A question you could have answered with a simple YES or NO. If people doubt your sincerity or willingness to answer questions than you have only your own attitude to blame for that.

baddog · 07-07-2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MrCain

Baddog, I did not know Brujah had already asked the same question and that you had answered it. I must have missed that part. Still, It was a perfectly reasonable question to ask. A question you could have answered with a simple YES or NO. If people doubt your sincerity or willingness to answer questions than you have only your own attitude to blame for that.

You seriously think I care what you or any other troll thinks? You do not pay very close attention, do you?

TheSquealer · 07-07-2011, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You seriously think I care what you or any other troll thinks? You do not pay very close attention, do you?

I used to never get why people gave you shit as you always seemed to be so harmless. But over the years and watching you answer anything and everything with short snarky questions, trying to stir up shit or take a jab at people but without ever really taking a position or formulating an argument that you'd actually have to defend (or god forbid, lose), I can understand why many people think your an irritating cocksucker.

baddog · 07-07-2011, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I used to never get why people gave you shit as you always seemed to be so harmless. But over the years and watching you answer anything and everything with short snarky questions, trying to stir up shit or take a jab at people but without ever really taking a position or formulating an argument that you'd actually have to defend (or god forbid, lose), I can understand why many people think your an irritating cocksucker.

When it is called for, I will give a detailed response. When it is not I will not. I will not repeat an answer more than a couple of times and I am not going to try and convince one of the few posters here to change their mind about something.

RycEric · 07-07-2011, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GetSCORECash

Can you name them? Is the answer the studios that buy the domains now?

http://www.threepointohh.com/images/b3.jpg

Tasty1 · 07-07-2011, 03:56 PM

So somebody started rumors by asking people if there where rumors.

Anyone working for Iffor here instead of icmregistry? :-)

MrCain · 07-07-2011, 05:43 PM

When it is called for, you will give a detailed response? You could have answered the question with a simple YES or NO.

Why · 07-07-2011, 05:59 PM

Nathan has brass balls, i sware, every time he posts here, he gets kicked in the nuts by some troll.

vdbucks · 07-07-2011, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

You're even more confused about trademarks than you are about domain names. TM's aren't exclusive and all-inclusive. Do your homework. I suggest looking over the WIPO cases where many claims of infringement by TM holders are on the losing side, because the mark alone wasn't evidence of infringement. Generic porn terms may not carry the same weight in the .XXX sTLD. Consider the guy with a TM for 'XXX' for example. Like I said, generics are a little different.

This is all true, but it also comes down to who has more money... that's always the determining factor.

baddog · 07-07-2011, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrCain

When it is called for, you will give a detailed response? You could have answered the question with a simple YES or NO.

What part of "I will not repeat an answer more than a couple of times" are you unable to comprehend?

MrCain · 07-08-2011, 06:50 AM

Did you ever stop to think that maybe people asked that question because they did not already know your answer?

porno jew · 07-08-2011, 06:57 AM

yes. or no. simple.

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