Ever notice more you do, the less others do? - GoFuckYourself.com

96ukssob · 07-13-2011, 09:10 PM

Ive been noticing for some time now that if I help someone out with something, they will always come back for more, even with people I work with. They become super lazy and dependent on you for the most simple of fucking tasks.

The biggest mistake you can ever do is just do something for someone else. rather, make the learn.

Its like... you can teach a man to fish, or have a million annoying lazy assholes bothering you all day to give them a fish for free

Spunky · 07-13-2011, 09:19 PM

Almost daily,people take advantage of your knowledge and expect you to cover their ass.just plain laziness

Serge Litehead · 07-14-2011, 01:01 AM

it's good for commerce

seeandsee · 07-14-2011, 01:13 AM

i know that, fix my computer, but to learn it, that is hard

cutedimples · 07-14-2011, 01:58 AM

In Psychology, it's called the Ben Franklin effect. When you do someone a favor, it's more likely that you'll do that same person another favor than he/she will return the favor. Likewise, if you hurt somebody, it's more likely that you'll hurt that person again than he/she will hurt you back.

I think we are highly adaptive in order to survive. Little kids always know who to throw a temper tantrum to. Even my little pup knows who spoil him and who not.

u-Bob · 07-14-2011, 03:06 AM

yep

Chosen · 07-14-2011, 04:11 AM

TheSquealer · 07-14-2011, 04:57 AM

This is why the pilgrims abandoned the idea of communism in the US after a couple years.

Sly · 07-14-2011, 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cutedimples

In Psychology, it's called the Ben Franklin effect. When you do someone a favor, it's more likely that you'll do that same person another favor than he/she will return the favor. Likewise, if you hurt somebody, it's more likely that you'll hurt that person again than he/she will hurt you back.

I think we are highly adaptive in order to survive. Little kids always know who to throw a temper tantrum to. Even my little pup knows who spoil him and who not.

What can be done to overcome this? Self awareness?

JFK · 07-14-2011, 05:33 AM

can you biggie size my fish please

Mr Pheer · 07-14-2011, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK

can you biggie size my fish please

dont forget the biggie fries and biggie soda...

LAJ · 07-14-2011, 10:09 AM

"Give an inch, they'll take a mile."

"No good deed goes unpunished."

There's a reason why those sayings exist, sadly...

TheSquealer · 07-14-2011, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cutedimples

In Psychology, it's called the Ben Franklin effect. When you do someone a favor, it's more likely that you'll do that same person another favor than he/she will return the favor. Likewise, if you hurt somebody, it's more likely that you'll hurt that person again than he/she will hurt you back.

You are such a fucking retard. That's not even close to what the OP was talking about. In fact, he was talking about the exact opposite of societal tendencies to reciprocate.

JamesGw · 07-14-2011, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

You are such a fucking retard. That's not even close to what the OP was talking about. In fact, he was talking about the exact opposite of societal tendencies to reciprocate.

What? It seems to describe what the OP is talking about. You do a favor for someone and then they keep coming back.

cutedimples · 07-14-2011, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly

What can be done to overcome this? Self awareness?

I personally think reinforcement works best. You ONLY do someone a favor OR be nice to someone when they have earned it. For example, if you buy this new friend lunch/dinner out of nowhere, he might or might not ask you to buy him another meal. But if you keep doing it over time, it's very likely that he would expect you to buy him ALL his meals. (Im sure everyone knows someone or 10 like that, lol) However, if he helped you move the day before, and you want to reward him by buying him a meal, then he is not as prone to think you're his free cash whenever he is hungry. But of course, there are always nice friends/girlfriends/people who dont take advantage of others and would reciprocate when they can.

Imma use my pup as an example again. Trainers train dogs using reinforcement all the time (I'm in no way implying that men are equal to dogs so dont quote me. lol

) Whenever I see him do something good, I'd give him a treat (right away). But if I give him treats all day long with or without the behavior, he would probably just "expect" the "free treat" without trying to work for it. [Same goes for your kids, friends/girlfriends, coworkers/employees/employers.]

Doesnt same goes for men? If a woman gives it up too quickly, you guys wouldnt work as hard. lol!

p.s. I'm not saying we should all be calculating and only be nice to someone because he/she would do something beneficial to ourselves. But people (even animals) can sense that if you always go out of your way to help them. And we always know who to mess with and who not, because again, we are highly adaptive and intelligent.

cutedimples · 07-14-2011, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

You are such a fucking retard. That's not even close to what the OP was talking about. In fact, he was talking about the exact opposite of societal tendencies to reciprocate.

You need to READ, READ, READ carefully and chill out. It is exactly what you described here, "the exact opposite of societal tendencies to reciprocate."

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesGw

What? It seems to describe what the OP is talking about. You do a favor for someone and then they keep coming back.

Thank you! x

Vick! · 07-14-2011, 02:37 PM

I mostly point people in right direction and let them go through the learning curve themselves.

CaptainHowdy · 07-14-2011, 02:44 PM

I'm not reading all those long boring posts ...

TheSquealer · 07-15-2011, 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cutedimples

You need to READ, READ, READ carefully and chill out. It is exactly what you described here, "the exact opposite of societal tendencies to reciprocate."

Thank you! x

Again, this is why i said you are retarded. You want to sound smart but you completely confuse two entirely different ideas as you lecture as the expert. Using your own example, "The Ben Franklin Effect" is an observation of peoples tendency to reciprocate. I.e. - you do something really nice for me, and I then feel obligated to do something really nice for you. This is part of the glue that holds a society together, where you basically earn social credits that can be redeemed in your time of need.

That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the observation that if I do something for you, you then have a greater tendency to be more lazy and expect others to continue to keep doing for you, even to the point of creating dependence, instead of you doing for yourself... which is exactly what the OP was talking about.

So think you need to "READ READ READ" as my comprehension not only of written English but of the fundamentals of psychology and sociology is just fine.

96ukssob · 07-15-2011, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cutedimples

In Psychology, it's called the Ben Franklin effect. When you do someone a favor, it's more likely that you'll do that same person another favor than he/she will return the favor. Likewise, if you hurt somebody, it's more likely that you'll hurt that person again than he/she will hurt you back.

I think we are highly adaptive in order to survive. Little kids always know who to throw a temper tantrum to. Even my little pup knows who spoil him and who not.

the problem is they don't do anything in return

yesterday I get an email from an account rep to put together a stats report for one of their clients, which they could of easily done with 2 mouse clicks. whatever, its easier for me to do it then explain it 5 times. its broken down by day over the last 30 days with the last column showing totals

I send it to her then she asks "I only need it for the last week, can you remove the other 21 days?" Instead I just tell her retarded ass to DELETE the fucking rows in Excel. Being stupid, she then sends it to the customer but doesn't update the totals column

I get an email this morning saying "[me], you did this wrong! The customer is mad that we can't get them the right numbers. Please fix it and send it back ASAP." Now keep in mind this is pretty fucking basic, a 8 year old with brain damage could figure it out... but worse, she copies my boss on the email

WTF?!? Why are people so fucking stupid. I try to help with something now I'm caught in the middle of this BS

I HATE stupid people

cherrylula · 07-15-2011, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bossku69

Its like... you can teach a man to fish, or have a million annoying lazy assholes bothering you all day to give them a fish for free

or tell the other men to stay the fuck out of your life, and keep your fish to yourself, hiding yourself and your fish far away from other idiots looking to steal your fish and fuck your wife!

TheSquealer · 07-15-2011, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornopete

You are wrong sir. The Ben Franklin Effect is that once somebody does you a kindness they are more likely to do one for you again.

I know I am wrong and I am being a dick and to all i apologize. I thought that nick was SallyRand - i was just trying to push his buttons a little before realizing its probably not him... and even worse, before realizing that I misread things.

My bad

Itchy · 07-15-2011, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cherrylula

or tell the other men to stay the fuck out of your life, and keep your fish to yourself, hiding yourself and your fish far away from other idiots looking to steal your fish and fuck your wife!

cutedimples · 07-15-2011, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I know I am wrong and I am being a dick and to all i apologize. I thought that nick was SallyRand - i was just trying to push his buttons a little before realizing its probably not him... and even worse, before realizing that I misread things.

My bad

Apology accepted!

I really appreciate your sincerity to admit your mistakes and then apologize. It's a very good quality! :D

p.s. I'm not Sally Rand.

cutedimples · 07-15-2011, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bossku69

the problem is they don't do anything in return

I HATE stupid people

That sucks! I dont like stupid people too. But since you work with some and you just pretty much HAVE to deal with them. Not that it would help, but perhaps changing your attitude to think, God was nice to make you intelligent (instead of stupid) and be happy because at least you have a ton to offer and do not need to be a user like the people at your office.

TheSquealer · 07-15-2011, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cutedimples

Apology accepted!

I really appreciate your sincerity to admit your mistakes and then apologize. It's a very good quality! :D

p.s. I'm not Sally Rand.

Thanks. I am not even sure why i thought you were that guy. I think someone else was saying it when listing all his fake nicks the other day.

cutedimples · 07-15-2011, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Thanks. I am not even sure why i thought you were that guy. I think someone else was saying it when listing all his fake nicks the other day.

Because a couple days ago when I started a thread introducing myself, someone started saying I was a fat guy pretending to be a girl then everyone was saying I was Sally. Lol

It's all good now

!

TheSquealer · 07-15-2011, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cutedimples

Because a couple days ago when I started a thread introducing myself, someone started saying I was a fat guy pretending to be a girl then everyone was saying I was Sally. Lol

It's all good now

!

Does this mean we don't get to see your tits?

marcop · 07-15-2011, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LAJ

"Give an inch, they'll take a mile."

"No good deed goes unpunished."

There's a reason why those sayings exist, sadly...

QFT

07-13-2011, 09:10 PM	#1
96ukssob So Fucking Banananananas Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: If I was in your ass you'd know it Posts: 12,991	Ever notice more you do, the less others do? Ive been noticing for some time now that if I help someone out with something, they will always come back for more, even with people I work with. They become super lazy and dependent on you for the most simple of fucking tasks. The biggest mistake you can ever do is just do something for someone else. rather, make the learn. Its like... you can teach a man to fish, or have a million annoying lazy assholes bothering you all day to give them a fish for free __________________ Email: Clicky on Me

07-13-2011, 09:19 PM	#2
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,919	Almost daily,people take advantage of your knowledge and expect you to cover their ass.just plain laziness __________________ *Skype : Spunky GFY*

07-14-2011, 01:01 AM	#3
Serge Litehead Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Behind the scenes Posts: 5,190	it's good for commerce __________________ SilverCrocodile.com Adult web design since '05

07-14-2011, 01:13 AM	#4
seeandsee Check SIG! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Europe (Skype: gojkoas) Posts: 50,945	i know that, fix my computer, but to learn it, that is hard __________________ BUY MY SIG - 50$/Year Contact here

07-14-2011, 01:58 AM	#5
cutedimples Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Malibu, California Posts: 190	In Psychology, it's called the Ben Franklin effect. When you do someone a favor, it's more likely that you'll do that same person another favor than he/she will return the favor. Likewise, if you hurt somebody, it's more likely that you'll hurt that person again than he/she will hurt you back. I think we are highly adaptive in order to survive. Little kids always know who to throw a temper tantrum to. Even my little pup knows who spoil him and who not. __________________ Sex Video Chat "There is no end. There is no beginning. There is only the passion of life" ~ Federico Fellini Follow me on Twitter: Hot Girls Hub Buy & Sell Ads on The Most Sexy Advertising Network on the Planet available ad spots \| sign up now

07-14-2011, 03:06 AM	#6
u-Bob there's no $$$ in porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: icq: 195./568.-230 (btw: not getting offline msgs) Posts: 33,063	yep

07-14-2011, 04:11 AM	#7
Chosen VIPPay.com \| AdultWebSponsors.com Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 63,151	No

07-14-2011, 04:57 AM	#8
TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 25,078	This is why the pilgrims abandoned the idea of communism in the US after a couple years.

07-14-2011, 05:33 AM	#10
JFK FUBAR the ORIGINATOR Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: FUBARLAND Posts: 67,382	can you biggie size my fish please __________________ FUBAR Webmasters - The FUBAR Times - FUBAR Webmasters Mobile - FUBARTV.XXX For promo opps contact jfk at fubarwebmasters dot com

07-14-2011, 10:09 AM	#12
LAJ Gingerific Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Austin Posts: 5,568	"Give an inch, they'll take a mile." "No good deed goes unpunished." There's a reason why those sayings exist, sadly... __________________ YNOT.com - The original industry resource email jay at ynot dot com or skype LAJConsulting

07-14-2011, 02:37 PM	#17
Vick! Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: 20 00'24.00" N, 75 09'00.00 W Posts: 6,882	I mostly point people in right direction and let them go through the learning curve themselves. __________________ Affordable Quality Web Hosting

07-14-2011, 02:44 PM	#18
CaptainHowdy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Happy in the dark. Posts: 92,999	I'm not reading all those long boring posts ... __________________ FLASH SALE INSANITY! deal with a 100% Trusted Seller Buy Traffic Spots on a High-Quality Network 1 Year or Lifetime — That’s Right, Until the Internet Explodes!