Deej

point is... if anyone is to blame at all... its certainly not suki and company.

designer if at all...

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2011, the solo niche isn't a very large one. Before I went about getting into the niche with my own site/s. I did my homework. I do find it strange that somebody who is getting into the niche didn't look at a bunch of todays active solo girl sites. LiveCamCash is one of the few where the girls are still updating so not coming across these sites while doing a bit of homework is very strange. While its probably true that he simply didn't know. I suggest knowing whats out there, competitor wise, it might help for mistakes like this to be avoided. While it may not be against the law, it is definitely an unwritten rule and nobody wants to be known as somebody who rips a complete design off, as shown by him admitting that he's changing it.

And people should definitely know who the designer is who is just duplicating designs. Im sure no client wants that.

Deej

Yea, the Suki site owner has done by all means what I would have. Seems to be unaware and ready to rectify.

While you have a small point it is in no way substantial enough to warrant any ill will let alone comments that Abbie has said. Just as you didnt know, maybe they didnt... It sounds like Abbie is saying. "Hey, our site is the shit, how dare your effect our site's stature with yours."

Like I said before. As if anyone outside of our side of this business notice or care. Nothing to get titty twisted about and make, as slight as it was, snide comments about character. Just talk it out. Seems you having a cooperating opponent.

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You have the law backwards... lol

jimmycooper

I just noticed something on someone else's website. Are they infringing upon a Disney copyright?

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HarleySpencer

Hey everyone, I'm Harley Spencer. I have a new solo site, I interact with my members!

I noticed that some folks in here mentioned my site. In response to some of the statements regarding videos, you're right, I don't have them on there, but to say that it's absurd isn't very nice. Sure, lots of people, if not most, would prefer to see videos over anything else on adult websites, and I understand that. I watch porn too, I love it, especially DP, and I'm not about to try and get off on just looking at photos.
To really understand why I don't do videos, take a look at the forum post I created in my journal section (on my website) about the videos I've done in the past. It goes into some great detail and I think after you read it, you'll understand.

Who cares if all I do is photos in bikinis looking playful? If you don't, that's fine. I won't be upset if you prefer to go elsewhere, that's your business.

Yeah, I know, lots of people want to see videos, they want to see hot girls getting rammed with big dicks, or 2 girls getting it on, 1 girl playing with herself, whatever tickles your fancy. I know that it's not the best choice to not feature videos on my website, and I'm willing to accept that. Trust me, I know all the consequences, I'm not denying that and I'm full well willing to admit that yeah, I'd be better off with videos. I do plan on trying some new sort of videos, which I won't go into detail about, but it's in the works.

How is it doing without video? Well, we haven't really started promoting it yet, so it's hard to say. All I've done so far is sign up for websites and forums, such as this one, and that's it. Until we start the real promoting, then we'll see how I do. Considering that we've already got a couple members without any real promotion, I'd say we're doing fairly well.

As for our price, I don't entirely agree with it, but it is what it is. It could be less than what it is when taking into account that I don't do videos, whereas other sites do, and many sites feature videos for free (which is where I go, not gonna lie!), but.... it's something to think about.

You signed up, no video, because the model doesn't want to do video? Really?
Come on man, gimme a break. I don't care if you want to see video, I'm not doing it, at least not the way you want to see it, so what? That's my business. End of story. I know, I probably sound kind of bitchy, but hey, whatever. I'm just being honest, like you are.

Now, anyway, back on topic. I am a new adult model, I have a solo site, and I personally interact with my members. That's one of the best parts!

HarleySpencer

Oh and PS. None of my photos were photo shopped aside from the Harley Spencer logo in the corners of all the photos. Do you have any idea how long it would take to photo shop every individual photo for every set? There's hundreds and hundreds of photos, there's no time for that.
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Pseudonymous

Ok lets pretend it's HarleySpencer and not the offended program owner, in a stunt to show his model is active in other ways. lol

I don't believe a model new to this industry can argue with the experienced program owners and affiliates about what is needed when promoting. While from a models view, it seems ok to only offer this and that because of your reasons. But from a business standpoint, it doesn't make much sense. It's 2011 and the solo niche isn't a very large one, theres a handful of big affiliates left, to fully take advantage of that and have any sort of profit margin, you have to have a website firing from all cylinders, which means video fhg. Another thing you need is a good rebill ratio, the number one thing that leads to rebills, is video. So you can blab all you want and defend yourself but we know the profit margin and you don't. we know what video will do to a site, you dont.

and btw, from the way you talk, it very much sounds like a webmaster.

And about your comment about what people want to see in videos, thats not true actually, they just want to see video. Video of you, doing whatever you do. They could care less if youre getting fucked. But it's nice to know that "Harley Spencer" knows what the surfer wants.

And nobody was arguing the reason why the model was not doing video, they were arguing the fact that they want to promote your program and it has no video. If theyre going to complain about that, allow them to, there is no need to come in and be offended about it. If you understand, no point in seeming hostile.

Im sure most of us know the owner knows that he rather have a model doing more and this is a start. Nobody is knocking your program.

I have to say one thing though, I hope the model is on a percentage, you've already shot atleast 8-10 months worth and the owner is the photographer also.

I have another question, if youre site is fully functional, why no marketing yet?

"Come on man, gimme a break. I don't care if you want to see video, I'm not doing it, at least not the way you want to see it, so what? That's my business"

You sound like a great business person, perfect for the forum and getting affiliates on your side. lol

And youre going to waste alot of time going off on rants everytime somebody mentions your website lacking a certain feature, especially when it's true.

Deej

tell me then... Is it the overall placement of thumbs and feeds? Is it the same general looking style and graphics? The combination of the both.

Since I have it backwards, show me the line.

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"Ok lets pretend it's HarleySpencer and not the offended program owner, in a stunt to show his model is active in other ways. lol"
Pretend all you want, because this is me, this is Harley Spencer. You already heard from the owner on this thread, Blazer Media.

You're right, not everyone wants to see people fucking, which is the type of video I'm working on. Behind the scenes stuff, other clips of other things, etc.

Forgive me for coming off as hostile, I know I did and I figured someone would react the way you did to it. There are some things I probably shouldn't have said, but oh well, I said it, I can't take it back.

Yeah I know that some of what I said is probably going to turn some people off, including people that would like to promote the website and people that are potential members. Again, I probably shouldn't have said some of those things, but.... too late for that.

Why no marketing yet? We're working on it. So far what I've done is sign up for things, and some of those things took time. For example, this website. They took nearly a month to finally approve me, and now I'm going to start some marketing. Same goes for other websites.

The owner is not the photographer. He is the producer and the owner, that's it. There are other people that are the photographers. We give percentages to myself, the producer, and the photographer(s).

I sound like a webmaster? Alright. Well, I'm the model. Just because I know what I'm talking about doesn't mean I'm not a model. Believe it or not, I'm pretty smart. If you don't agree with everything I say or do, that's fine, you don't have to.

If the owner wanted more from me, he wouldn't be working with me. There's plenty of fish in the sea that he could work with. But he's working with me, we were both aware of everything that would be going on, what I'm comfortable with, what I can do, and so on. We are both aware of the pros and cons of what our website contains.

Perhaps the things I do or don't do don't make much sense to you or other people, but they make sense to me. It's certainly not going to be as successful as the programs that do offer more, and I'm willing to accept that. I sincerely enjoy what I do.
What thing I need to work on is marketing and appealing to a certain audience, which isn't the audience that prefers what I don't have. I'm not going to go into detail about what I'm working on, how I'm working on it, or why I'm working on it. That's another discussion.

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Pseudonymous

This sounds so much like AlphaSky.

While you may disagree, I am willing to put money on the fact that this project won't ever get that far. Why? Too many percentages given out, not enough cash. Guess time will tell. Also depends whether these photographers are ok with making a few hundred a month. Same goes for whoever does the day to day operation of the website.

And as far as the lack of marketing? A solo girls website should have its best month in its first month. Any solo girl website I launched, will have a few hudnred members atleast in the first month. Your first days have 30+ sale days.

How far off from that you are, tells me alot. The majority of marketing for a solo girl website actually doesn't take much time, its just contacting the right people for promotion, I just asked if any of the guys were promoting you and none of them said yes. They haven't even heard of the website. Im not saying this to bash anyone, im saying this to give you that information, to show you that maybe the way you guys do things isn't right and you should be more open ears to what people have to say.

So with all the sales and traffic I get, and for me to say theres not much of a profit margin to give percentages to give away to that many people, wouldn't that say something to you about a website making alot less?

Or do you think, you as a new model knows exactly how it's going to work out?

For example, lets say your website makes 5000 a month: (thats being EXTREMELY generous to a website with little marketing and no video)

2500 to affiliates, 500+ to processing, CMS = ? 150?, Affiliate Software? 50? At some point, using a streaming software. 50? Server bill , couple hundred?

Lets say theres roughly 1500 left

Then theres the cost of ongoing shooting, wardrobe, locations. Unless that is, you have already shot years worth.

And take into account youre going to be splitting the profits 4 or more ways? LOL

HarleySpencer

We're not splitting it 4 or more ways. We're splitting it like I said, the producer (guy who owns and builds/maintains technical aspects and such of the site), myself, and the photographer. That's 3 people. 25% to the producer, 25% to the photographer, and 50% to me.

I'm not saying, and I apologize if anything I said came across as such, that I know exactly how it's going to turn out. I'm saying that I have a pretty good understanding of how it's going to turn out. No videos = not as successful as it could be. Videos = more successful. I understand that, and everyone involved understands it as well, and we are all okay with that.

I'm not trying to disagree with anything you're saying. I'm just trying to show my perspective on the matter and what we're doing. It might not be the way you would do things, and it probably isn't the most profitable way to do things, but it is what it is.

Like I said before, I don't have videos right now but I am going to be working on videos at some point in the near future. It's not going to be the same types of videos as other websites, at least not for the most part, but nonetheless, there will be videos. I'm not going to delve into the types we're doing and what we have in mind, because that's another discussion. If anyone wants to see it, then once we do it and have them up on the website, people can see for themselves.

So what if the people you contacted haven't heard of my website yet? So what? We're working on it. We're just working at a slower pace than what one might expect right now. That's the best thing, but... like I said, it is what it is. We're doing everything we can. Sooner or later, people will have heard about my website. Just because they don't know right now doesn't mean it's a piece of crap.

I'm not going to try and defend myself against you anymore and I'm done with this conversation. I think it's clear, at least to me, that we aren't going to reach an understanding, or if we did, it would take a lot of talking, which is something I'm not going to busy myself with. I have more important things to do about my website right now.

Take care and best of luck to you in all your endeavors.

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Posters have made some great points, we have no problem with open discussion, and we know that no one was personally knocking Harley's site. Furthermore we appreciate and are glad to see that someone independently brought up harleyspencer.com in this thread. This being said the post saying that Harley's posts were not coming from her was unprofessional and not fitting with other intelligent points that were being made. But everyone makes a bad joke from time to time so no worries.

The bottom line is that we welcome any affiliates who are interested in promoting HarleySpencer.com. Emails are being sent out today to affiliates who have signed up so far with promotional material.

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Unrprofessional? Bad joke?

I sincerely think so. Its not a joke. It's extremely common so i have a very good reason to be skeptical. Especially considering she wrote a long post talking about how she's fine with what her site offers and how she think it will still do well, yet signs off on her post saying , "I am a new adult model"

Sorry but i've been doing this longer than you and new adult models, with no connection to marketing or the industry usually don't have the knowledge to go off on a rant about how her site will still do well and why she can get away with not doing certain things.

I wasn't saying I was for sure, I was simply saying im going to pretend that I believe it for a second to make a point.

So relax and deal with the fact that im skeptical.

To be honest, I think you need to be asking for tips and not telling people how it is and jumping in and acting defensive when people say something about your program. Calling other program owners in your own niche unprofessional doesn't help either.

I also don't think this "Harley Spencer" account comes across as somebody who is going to be open ears for suggestions either.

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blazermedia

You made many intelligent points, and one unprofessional statement as a half way joke, ok, it happens, it was pointed out, and we all move on. This single instance in no way means that you are unprofessional.

Harley is Harley, you two can go at it independent of me if that floats your boats. I have absolutely no problem with anything said about Harley's site, and absolutely nothing against you.

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I prefer pictures over video. I find that photos enhance my fantasies, while videos tend to derail them - particularly if the people in the videos can't keep their mouths shut.

I'll promote you when I decide to start working again.

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