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Wizzo · 08-09-2011, 02:23 PM

100... Rights to Work!

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Arizona, right to work state... Tucson, lowest job/housing, growth/sales, etc in the Country. Something like 40b in the hole for the State, some 15 or so for the city... no part of this state is functioning correctly.

Texas is right to work state as well and has created 43% of the jobs in the country this year, and Arizona's problems aren't because of lack of unions.

MrBottomTooth · 08-09-2011, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

I suspect you're wrong on some things... Not sure what the laws are like in the states, but there are always "loopholes"... Typically when you work in some sort of "management" position (or something similar that a company can use as a loophole to get around certain labour laws), there is no such thing as an 8 hr work day, overtime pay etc... And then the company has a culture of pushing employees to work far beyond 40hrs/week and make it "appear" as if it's "required"... Large corporations have so many people working 60+ hours a week as common place... While true that you may be paid more than some other employees, but in comparison, if you were paid as much as those other ones, plus overtime, you'd make far more than your yearly salary.

Frankly, if companies actually employed enough people to get all the work done, there would be no job problem.. I never worked for a company that had an adequate work force for what they were trying to accomplish.

I used to work for a large corporation where this was the culture... They would push as many ppl into some sort of pseudo management position whenever they could. Would have guys bitch at me that they were making less money after they were promoted.. And we were "encouraged" to limit overtime for the guys that were paid for it and to push the team leaders to take up the slack. There were periods of time where we were expected to work 14-16 hour days for weeks and even sometimes I was putting in 30 hour stints. They've been in the news a few times for their "sweat shop" culture... It's actually a US company...

When I think of it, every single major job I had worked the same way.

This is covered in the employment standards act. You have to sign a written agreement stating you don't object to working more than 8 hours. You can change your mind at a later date with 2 weeks notice, and they can't take any form of reprisal against you for it, etc. Plus you still have to get mandatory breaks, time for meals, etc if you do agree to work more than 8 hours. Employers can face fines or even jail time for not complying.

DudeRick · 08-09-2011, 02:41 PM

Union labor has priced itself out of the market and is the number 1 reason for the loss of manufacturing jobs in this country.

Tempest · 08-09-2011, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

This is covered in the employment standards act. You have to sign a written agreement stating you don't object to working more than 8 hours. You can change your mind at a later date with 2 weeks notice, and they can't take any form of reprisal against you for it, etc. Plus you still have to get mandatory breaks, time for meals, etc if you do agree to work more than 8 hours. Employers can face fines or even jail time for not complying.

Doesn't matter as the culture in companies is that you "have" to work the long hours in order to succeed in the company.. Those that don't were demoted, laid off, given bad reviews etc.

TheDoc · 08-09-2011, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Wizzo

100... Rights to Work!

Texas is right to work state as well and has created 43% of the jobs in the country this year, and Arizona's problems aren't because of lack of unions.

About half the States have lower unemployment rates than Texas, many of which have unions and some are right to work States. While creating jobs has value, one can't ignore States that can retain jobs.

Adding 43% is nice, not ever having to add them in the first place, is far better.

With that, many reports have shown where the growth took place in Texas, almost all of it is in very low wage "tip" type jobs, and the few educated jobs that have came in, are almost all from Cali corps moving in to take advantage of the lowest wages in the Country, even for educated people.

Wizzo · 08-09-2011, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

With that, many reports have shown where the growth took place in Texas, almost all of it is in very low wage "tip" type jobs, and the few educated jobs that have came in, are almost all from Cali corps moving in to take advantage of the lowest wages in the Country, even for educated people.

I would be interested in seeing those reports, because from what I understand its alot of oil and gas production, transportation and logistics, heavy construction, business services and financial services.

TheDoc · 08-09-2011, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Wizzo

I would be interested in seeing those reports, because from what I understand its alot of oil and gas production, transportation and logistics, heavy construction, business services and financial services.

I've read it several times over the last month or so... here's the last one I remember reading. I'm still looking for the one that broke new jobs / business development down, that showed tip jobs and cali corps as the reason for the boom.

The growth Texas was actually, very short and very limited - but repeated over and over now, as if it's still going on.

Edit: Also Texas job growth numbers, are less impressive when you exclude local state corps, moving locations, because counties/cities give them tax breaks. The State counts it has hiring (new jobs), when really it's just job shifting....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_917460.html

"Texas is tied for last with Mississippi for the highest percentage of minimum wage jobs and Texas is by far the leader of residents who don't have health insurance. It's low wage jobs without any benefits."

"Texas still ranks as the most dangerous state for worker safety. An April study [PDF] produced by the University of Texas and the Workers Defense Project stated that one in five construction workers were injured on the job, while only 45 percent had workers' compensation. The study also noted that a worker dies every 2.5 days and the state sees 16,900 job-related accidents annually."

"that roughly 45 percent of the more than 300 workers surveyed reported being paid wages below the federal poverty line. And one in five workers complained that their employers had paid them less than what they were owed. Being allowed adequate drinking water is even an issue. Nearly a third of the workers surveyed reported that their employers did not provide them with access to drinking water."

Don't listen to Governor Perry - the guy is a doorknob.

IllTestYourGirls · 08-09-2011, 03:41 PM

wow 300 workers surveyed! lol You should have posted that at the beginning so I would not have wasted my time reading it.

TheDoc · 08-09-2011, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

wow 300 workers surveyed! lol You should have posted that at the beginning so I would not have wasted my time reading it.

Is that to me?

45% of 300 is a bad ass amount.... and the article also includes studies from universities, other comparable stats, etc. This also isn't anything new coming out, several articles, studies, etc have been published about the bullshit numbers of Texas.

Joshua G · 08-09-2011, 04:00 PM

verizon is the marketplace example of the status of unions...

their wireless, non union business is booming, accounts for 95% of profits.

Their landline, unionized business? Lost 30% of their customers, union on strike fighting to keep benefits won in the 70s.

Then in connecticut, the public employee unions vote down a deal to raise their wages & guarantee no layoffs. As a result of the no vote, thousands of workers are getting laid off.

Unions LOL.

Sly · 08-09-2011, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by joshgirls

Their landline, unionized business? Lost 30% of their customers, union on strike fighting to keep benefits won in the 70s.

I have a difficult time trying to comprehend why so many people think that a job 30 years old, 20 years old, or even 10 years old can and should still be relevant today. You can't force relevancy. You need to be willing to move, change, and adapt.

The majority of us go to basic schooling until we are 18. Many go to college after that, many go to trade schools... by the age of 22-23 one is "done" with schooling and ready to go "work." That is less than a fifth of someone's life spent training and schooling... why do people think that fifth of life in school should be able to keep them relevant until retirement?

The world changes. If an industry dies, one must move on, not force employment.

Joshua G · 08-09-2011, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I have a difficult time trying to comprehend why so many people think that a job 30 years old, 20 years old, or even 10 years old can and should still be relevant today. You can't force relevancy. You need to be willing to move, change, and adapt.

The majority of us go to basic schooling until we are 18. Many go to college after that, many go to trade schools... by the age of 22-23 one is "done" with schooling and ready to go "work." That is less than a fifth of someone's life spent training and schooling... why do people think that fifth of life in school should be able to keep them relevant until retirement?

The world changes. If an industry dies, one must move on, not force employment.

one of the things the union is fighting verizon on is that the union workers pay nothing for healthcare benefits. Verizon wants them to start paying, like 99% of the rest of america.

the union fights for this benefit in spite of their sector dying off.

Tempest · 08-09-2011, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by joshgirls

verizon is the marketplace example of the status of unions...

their wireless, non union business is booming, accounts for 95% of profits.

Their landline, unionized business? Lost 30% of their customers, union on strike fighting to keep benefits won in the 70s.

Or maybe the reason their wireless business is booming is because it probably costs less to run and the revenue numbers are so much higher.. Certain aspects of their wireless services are also probably carried out by their landline operation... eg: maintenance of cell towers etc. I'm just shocked at how much people spend on their cellphone and monthly plans compared to what it costs for just a regular phone. People probably average $100 a month for their cellphone and yet you can have your landline for under $30... I pay more a month for my cellphone, that I barely use and have limit services on, than I do for landline... so much more revenue for wireless..

BFT3K · 08-09-2011, 05:08 PM

What are your (everyone's) predictions regarding tonight's Wisconsin recall elections, taking place in just an hour or so?

BFT3K · 08-09-2011, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeRick

Union labor has priced itself out of the market and is the number 1 reason for the loss of manufacturing jobs in this country.

China just increased their minimum wage.

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/business.../China-ups.htm

They are now paying some lucky workers ALMOST $1 per hour!

Our corporations would happily hire US workers for $1 per hour, but...

...those damned unions!

Minte · 08-09-2011, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

What are your (everyone's) predictions regarding tonight's Wisconsin recall elections, taking place in just an hour or so?

The votes are coming in now and the republicans are winning nearly all the races. A few by large margins.

twistyneck · 08-09-2011, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

They have outlived their usefulness . . . . years ago.

Not true, dipshit. Not even close.

TheDoc · 08-09-2011, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

The votes are coming in now and the republicans are winning nearly all the races. A few by large margins.

Looks like Reps have taken two spots so far, one was a for sure win, and they have another that will probably go Republican as well. The other 3 are still to far out to call, but so far the Dems have those.

http://wisconsin.onpolitix.com/pages...ection-results

BFT3K · 08-09-2011, 09:01 PM

So far 3 R wins - 2 D wins - and 1 still up in the air.

Coup · 08-09-2011, 09:27 PM

unions will always be necessary to fight against the corporations that are fucking us all over

directfiesta · 08-09-2011, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

Democrats love the unions. The unions fund the elections for the democrats who in turn give the unions more power and money to build more unions in as many businesses as they can. Nothing but parasites.

Republicans love the big businesses. The big businesses fund the elections for the republicans who in turn give the big businesses more power and money to build more big businesses ( in fact to pay themselves hefty dividends and golden parachute ) in as many countries ( outside USA ) as they can. Nothing but parasites.

Fixed!

baddog · 08-09-2011, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by joshgirls

one of the things the union is fighting verizon on is that the union workers pay nothing for healthcare benefits. Verizon wants them to start paying, like 99% of the rest of america.

the union fights for this benefit in spite of their sector dying off.

Which is why they have outlived their usefulness. They have been giving up things gained in the past since the 80's. Seniority is the only thing they have not lost and it is what fucks things up for them.

baddog · 08-09-2011, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by twistyneck

Not true, dipshit. Not even close.

Yeah, they have.

raymor · 08-09-2011, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Read the OP again.... You're about a 100 years off: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

Quoting from YOUR source, wikipedia:

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Originally Posted by wikipedia

18 southern Democratic Senators and one Republican Senator led by Richard Russell (D-GA) launched a filibuster to prevent its passage. [6] Said Russell: "We will resist to the bitter end any measure or any movement which would have a tendency to bring about social equality and intermingling and amalgamation of the races in our (Southern) states." [7] The most fervent opposition to the bill came from Senator Strom Thurmond (D-SC)

I understand you WISH that the democrats supported civil rights, but the fact is they strongly opposed civil rights and filibustered the bill.

Strom Thurmond, the democrat leader in the senate who personally filibustered the civil rights act for 24 hours and 18 minutes, was the continually reelected by democrats for decades until he passed away in 2003.

Thurmond served for decades along side his friend Robert Byrd, another democrat senator. The democrats weren't the first to elect Byrd, though. He first election victory was bring elected to a leadership position in the KKK.

I really do understand you want the democrats to be the good guys, just as any sports fan wants their chosen team to be great. The simple fact, though, is that the democrats were in violent opposition to civil rights, in 1964 just as they had been since 1875 and before. You're a union fan and that's fine, but the fact is the unions of 1964 didn't want negros taking their jobs.

If it's THAT important to you to have your team be on the right side, maybe it's time to consider if you were tricked and it's time to switch teams. If you want to be on the side that passed the civil rights acts rather than the side that filibustered them, welcome. Here's your elephant.

Mayve the democrats have changed?
The dems elected the KKK official Robert Byrd to the senate from 1959 until he died last year. Had Byrd, the democrat leader in the senate changed? As recently as 2001 he was still using the word "n i g g e r" in debate on the senate floor. That's the democrat leader, a man who thinks it's ok to talk about "n i g g e r s" while debating legislation even these days.

I know you want to be on the right side of these issues. You can be. Come on over.

TheDoc · 08-09-2011, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by raymor

Quoting from YOUR source, wikipedia:

I understand you WISH that the democrats supported civil rights, but the fact is they strongly opposed civil rights and filibustered the bill.

Strom Thurmond, the democrat leader in the senate who personally filibustered the civil rights act for 24 hours and 18 minutes, was the continually reelected by democrats for decades until he passed away in 2003.

Thurmond served for decades along side his friend Robert Byrd, another democrat senator. The democrats weren't the first to elect Byrd, though. He first election victory was bring elected to a leadership position in the KKK.

I really do understand you want the democrats to be the good guys, just as any sports fan wants their chosen team to be great. The simple fact, though, is that the democrats were in violent opposition to civil rights, in 1964 just as they had been since 1875 and before. You're a union fan and that's fine, but the fact is the unions of 1964 didn't want negros taking their jobs.

If it's THAT important to you to have your team be on the right side, maybe it's time to consider if you were tricked and it's time to switch teams. If you want to be on the side that passed the civil rights acts rather than the side that filibustered them, welcome. Here's your elephant.

Mayve the democrats have changed?
The dems elected the KKK official Robert Byrd to the senate from 1959 until he died last year. Had Byrd, the democrat leader in the senate changed? As recently as 2001 he was still using the word "n i g g e r" in debate on the senate floor. That's the democrat leader, a man who thinks it's ok to talk about "n i g g e r s" while debating legislation even these days.

I know you want to be on the right side of these issues. You can be. Come on over.

I don't even know where to start.... so I'll start with, wtf does that bullshit have to do with you being off by a 100 years of the op or any damn subject in this thread? Not a damn thing, that's what!

And I wish dems supported civil rights and they were good guys? I'm shocked, I had no idea I felt this way... heck, I had no idea that I even cared, shit... I had no idea I was a democrat, I'm not registered as one, so this is all pretty new to me.

Next time, you should just say oops, my bad, I read it wrong... rather than coming up with stupid as long winded post where you assume you have a clue about someone you don't know.

I wouldn't want to be on the side of misinformation... so I'll stay put.

Paul Markham · 08-10-2011, 01:27 AM

And yet you all buy the goods shipped in from overseas.

Barclays Bank are hinting they might move their offices out of the UK. If all of Barclays customers switched their accounts to another bank who stay in the UK, they wouldn't move.

Same goes for those who phone a help center and speak to someone in India, or outsource work to the Philippines.

Chris GAMBA · 08-10-2011, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

The BULK of the list is stuff you will get today, with or without a union.

Because of unions, you old ignorant twat.

Captain Kawaii · 08-10-2011, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

They have outlived their usefulness . . . . years ago.

With top paid CEOs making 350 times the average workers salary...really? You've been duped sir by the people who want to get rid of them. Namely conservative democrats and republicans who call the financial shots in this country... Its clear if you step back for a moment the root causes of the current financial turmoil have not been corrected in any meaningful way...and that failure is only going to hurt mom and pop businesses and people making less than 50k a year, most of the population... I despise corrupt unions but unions are the last line of defense before a return to the days of 19th century industrial revolution period.

Chris GAMBA · 08-10-2011, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Which is why they have outlived their usefulness. They have been giving up things gained in the past since the 80's. Seniority is the only thing they have not lost and it is what fucks things up for them.

You are so backwards it is unbelievable. Unions have been giving up gains? What the fuck do you think would happen without unions? Of course, every worker in the country would be able to negotiate a great deal with the corporation they work for!

Without organized labor, we would still have the working conditions of a 3rd world country. If we were to get rid of it, we would be back there in no time. The middle class exists because of unions. Everyone who is not unionized only has their benefits and wages because of unions.

The fact that anyone's brain is too weak to understand basic realities, yet they can still function in some capacity in our society, never ceases to amazes me. Get a fucking education instead of spouting off bullshit you heard some asshole ranting about on talk radio.

MrMaxwell · 08-10-2011, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

I did. We hired 40 new employees last year. We invested over $5m in new equipment in the last 36 months and are putting on another 60k sq ft to our main plant. When it's finished we will add another 50+ jobs. With health,dental,life and 401k. We had a couple of guys try to start a union a few years ago. They were voted down by a large majority.

I can take you to hundreds of small business like mine that are doing just fine. We are growing and we are making money.

Large corporations that are stuck with unions are the ones having the problems.

I always learn something from your posts.. keep posting

MrMaxwell · 08-10-2011, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Shit tons of union corps are kicking ass, come on.... it's not a one way door, that is without question. Just like a shit ton of non-union corps, need a union, and are failing... it's even, all around.

You're a great example of what happens when a corp actually offers something to employees... it shows union attempts are easy to squash if employees are actually happy.

You make some good posts, too

Minte · 08-10-2011, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

So far 3 R wins - 2 D wins - and 1 still up in the air.

And the winner is................................................ ............

The state of Wi.

Democrats fail attempt to take control of the senate

12clicks · 08-10-2011, 04:54 AM

Leftist have have their moment in the sun to remind us all what idiots they are, now the pendulum will swing back

12clicks · 08-10-2011, 04:59 AM

It's funny watching halfwits on this board blur the line (intentionally or thru lack of intelligence) between private and public unions.
Neither are any good but one at least was 70 years ago

Minte · 08-10-2011, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

It's funny watching halfwits on this board blur the line (intentionally or thru lack of intelligence) between private and public unions.
Neither are any good but one at least was 70 years ago

No question that rings true in Wis.

Last year the republicans took back complete control of state government,which was amazing when you consider Wis. has always been a democratic swing state. After the fall elections,the democrats left the state to avoid passing the new collective bargaining legislation,which eventually did pass.

During that process, out of state special interest groups(afl/cio) tossed serious money at the supreme court race to get a dem in,which failed.

And finally this recall attempt,which was also heavily funded by out of state special interest groups. The citizens have clearly spoken here.

12clicks · 08-10-2011, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

No question that rings true in Wis.

Last year the republicans took back complete control of state government,which was amazing when you consider Wis. has always been a democratic swing state. After the fall elections,the democrats left the state to avoid passing the new collective bargaining legislation,which eventually did pass.

During that process, out of state special interest groups(afl/cio) tossed serious money at the supreme court race to get a dem in,which failed.

And finally this recall attempt,which was also heavily funded by out of state special interest groups. The citizens have clearly spoken here.

Absolutely.
In a recall election the energy is always against the incumbent. The fact that this energy was snuffed out by the public is an amazing statement.

dyna mo · 08-10-2011, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

The citizens have clearly spoken here.

adios unions in wisconsin.

Minte · 08-10-2011, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

adios unions in wisconsin.

I would enjoy sitting at the democratic breakfast strategy meeting today. I can imagine their spirits are a bit down.

BlackCrayon · 08-10-2011, 07:31 AM

unions have become corrupt, in effect becoming a business themselves but this is not the fault of the unions but the fault of the people running them. they got greedy.

you can say unions are not needed, ect but get rid of all unions and how long will it be until worker rights start slipping away, one by one? 2,5,10 years? Maybe more but it will happen. Its time to give the unions back to the workers and use common sense when negotiating.

_Richard_ · 08-10-2011, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

Leftist have have their moment in the sun to remind us all what idiots they are, now the pendulum will swing back

.. so the righties can remind us what idiots they are?

TheDoc · 08-10-2011, 08:58 AM

The recalls aren't over... this was just the senate, more are coming. (others already happened) And it's still a massive hit that it they have lost seats, enough that if a few more go with the election(s), it would give Dem's a super majority after the Presidential election.

Thinking the Dems lost on this is... well, silly. They just didn't win as big as they wanted.

baddog · 08-10-2011, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris GAMBA

Because of unions, you old ignorant twat.

Initially. Now because of LAWS.

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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

With top paid CEOs making 350 times the average workers salary...really? You've been duped sir by the people who want to get rid of them. Namely conservative democrats and republicans who call the financial shots in this country... Its clear if you step back for a moment the root causes of the current financial turmoil have not been corrected in any meaningful way...and that failure is only going to hurt mom and pop businesses and people making less than 50k a year, most of the population... I despise corrupt unions but unions are the last line of defense before a return to the days of 19th century industrial revolution period.

I do not form my opinion of unions based on what ANYONE else has to say. I was a union member, shop steward, area steward and a VP candidate with 20+ years of service. Have you even been wiping your own ass for 20 years?

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Originally Posted by Chris GAMBA

You are so backwards it is unbelievable. Unions have been giving up gains? What the fuck do you think would happen without unions? Of course, every worker in the country would be able to negotiate a great deal with the corporation they work for!

Without organized labor, we would still have the working conditions of a 3rd world country. If we were to get rid of it, we would be back there in no time. The middle class exists because of unions. Everyone who is not unionized only has their benefits and wages because of unions.

The fact that anyone's brain is too weak to understand basic realities, yet they can still function in some capacity in our society, never ceases to amazes me. Get a fucking education instead of spouting off bullshit you heard some asshole ranting about on talk radio.

So, how much experience do you have working with unions? What union were you in? How long? What positions did you hold with them?

My mentor

Minte · 08-10-2011, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

The recalls aren't over... this was just the senate, more are coming. (others already happened) And it's still a massive hit that it they have lost seats, enough that if a few more go with the election(s), it would give Dem's a super majority after the Presidential election.

Thinking the Dems lost on this is... well, silly. They just didn't win as big as they wanted.

They spent $31 million and they didn't get a supreme court justice,they had a recount and still lost..they did not get control of either house. Even if the last two recall elections go to the dems,they still won't have control.

I can appreciate looking at the glass and calling it half full. No matter how you want to spin it, the dems half full glass isn't as good as the repubs full glass.

edit...I am not talking about any national races. This is the state of Wis. and the mandates on unions rights to collective bargaining

Vendzilla · 08-10-2011, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

The recalls aren't over... this was just the senate, more are coming. (others already happened) And it's still a massive hit that it they have lost seats, enough that if a few more go with the election(s), it would give Dem's a super majority after the Presidential election.

Thinking the Dems lost on this is... well, silly. They just didn't win as big as they wanted.

Even if they lose the seats, do you really think they can reverse what Gov Walker did? Just the Unions blowing money to control the government, liken to the big business that everyone is against running the Governent.

The way the government should be run is thrown out the window for both

ReGGs · 08-10-2011, 11:13 AM

Most of the people against unions here probably are using nothing but anecdotal evidence at best as to whether or not unions are still needed. In fact. The whole reason wages are stagnant and workers have been taken advantage of is directly related to the loss of unions.

"Focusing on full-time, private sector workers, Western and Rosenfeld find that deunionization?the decline in the percentage of the labor force that is unionized?and educational stratification each explain about 33 percent of the rise in within-group wage inequality among men. Among women, deunionization explains about 20 percent of the increase in wage inequality, whereas education explains more than 40 percent."

http://www.newswise.com/articles/stu...age-inequality

You think corporations make people work 40 hours a week in non-sweatshop conditions because that's the right thing to do? Nice fantasy.

dyna mo · 08-10-2011, 11:37 AM

?The examination of the construction labor market and the facts concerning the postures of organized labor, unionized construction, and their political supporters, as well as of the cases in various states, demonstrate that the claimed advantages of government-mandated PLAs are not supported by factual evidence?

http://www.plawatch.com/studies

dyna mo · 08-10-2011, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ReGGs

Most of the people against unions here probably are using nothing but anecdotal evidence at best as to whether or not unions are still needed. In fact. The whole reason wages are stagnant and workers have been taken advantage of is directly related to the loss of unions.

"Focusing on full-time, private sector workers, Western and Rosenfeld find that deunionization?the decline in the percentage of the labor force that is unionized?and educational stratification each explain about 33 percent of the rise in within-group wage inequality among men. Among women, deunionization explains about 20 percent of the increase in wage inequality, whereas education explains more than 40 percent."

http://www.newswise.com/articles/stu...age-inequality

You think corporations make people work 40 hours a week in non-sweatshop conditions because that's the right thing to do? Nice fantasy.

from the article:

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Union membership in America has declined significantly since the early 1970s, and that plunge explains approximately a fifth of the increase in hourly wage inequality among women and about a third among men, according to a new study in the August issue of the American Sociological Review.

inflated overall costs do not justify something that only accounts for 20-30% of wage inequality.

TheDoc · 08-10-2011, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Minte

They spent $31 million and they didn't get a supreme court justice,they had a recount and still lost..they did not get control of either house. Even if the last two recall elections go to the dems,they still won't have control.

I can appreciate looking at the glass and calling it half full. No matter how you want to spin it, the dems half full glass isn't as good as the repubs full glass.

edit...I am not talking about any national races. This is the state of Wis. and the mandates on unions rights to collective bargaining

I personally don't care what direction it goes.... all I know is what I've read, and from what I gather, this was phase two, if they got it, it made it easier, if not - the fight was still on, and even if they got it, the fight would continue.

That's not half empty or half full of anything - that's just the way it is.

TheDoc · 08-10-2011, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Even if they lose the seats, do you really think they can reverse what Gov Walker did? Just the Unions blowing money to control the government, liken to the big business that everyone is against running the Governent.

The way the government should be run is thrown out the window for both

I think most of what he has done will be reversed at some point in the future and replaced with a more fair labor system that still gives people union rights but not under the same ideals they had before.

Walker is a corporatist... all he cares about is the same thing elite corps care about, more profits, less going out, period. He didn't make anything better, he simply introduced an entire new set of problems to deal with in the future rather than actually solving the issues of unions when he had the chance.

V_RocKs · 08-10-2011, 12:58 PM

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08-09-2011, 03:41 PM	#108
IllTestYourGirls Ah My Balls Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under the gold leaf ICQ 388-454-421 Posts: 14,311	wow 300 workers surveyed! lol You should have posted that at the beginning so I would not have wasted my time reading it. __________________

08-10-2011, 01:27 AM	#126
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	And yet you all buy the goods shipped in from overseas. Barclays Bank are hinting they might move their offices out of the UK. If all of Barclays customers switched their accounts to another bank who stay in the UK, they wouldn't move. Same goes for those who phone a help center and speak to someone in India, or outsource work to the Philippines. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

08-10-2011, 04:54 AM	#133
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,780	Leftist have have their moment in the sun to remind us all what idiots they are, now the pendulum will swing back __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

08-10-2011, 04:59 AM	#134
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,780	It's funny watching halfwits on this board blur the line (intentionally or thru lack of intelligence) between private and public unions. Neither are any good but one at least was 70 years ago __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

08-10-2011, 07:31 AM	#139
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	unions have become corrupt, in effect becoming a business themselves but this is not the fault of the unions but the fault of the people running them. they got greedy. you can say unions are not needed, ect but get rid of all unions and how long will it be until worker rights start slipping away, one by one? 2,5,10 years? Maybe more but it will happen. Its time to give the unions back to the workers and use common sense when negotiating. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

08-09-2011, 02:41 PM	#103
DudeRick Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tobacco Road Posts: 1,568	Union labor has priced itself out of the market and is the number 1 reason for the loss of manufacturing jobs in this country.

08-09-2011, 04:00 PM	#110
Joshua G dumb libs love censorship Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8,198	verizon is the marketplace example of the status of unions... their wireless, non union business is booming, accounts for 95% of profits. Their landline, unionized business? Lost 30% of their customers, union on strike fighting to keep benefits won in the 70s. Then in connecticut, the public employee unions vote down a deal to raise their wages & guarantee no layoffs. As a result of the no vote, thousands of workers are getting laid off. Unions LOL.

08-09-2011, 05:08 PM	#114
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	What are your (everyone's) predictions regarding tonight's Wisconsin recall elections, taking place in just an hour or so?

08-09-2011, 09:01 PM	#119
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	So far 3 R wins - 2 D wins - and 1 still up in the air.

08-09-2011, 09:27 PM	#120
Coup 🚨 PBBC International 🚨 Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: /👁\ Posts: 9,932	unions will always be necessary to fight against the corporations that are fucking us all over

08-10-2011, 08:58 AM	#141
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	The recalls aren't over... this was just the senate, more are coming. (others already happened) And it's still a massive hit that it they have lost seats, enough that if a few more go with the election(s), it would give Dem's a super majority after the Presidential election. Thinking the Dems lost on this is... well, silly. They just didn't win as big as they wanted. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

08-10-2011, 11:13 AM	#145
ReGGs Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: SoFla Posts: 248	Most of the people against unions here probably are using nothing but anecdotal evidence at best as to whether or not unions are still needed. In fact. The whole reason wages are stagnant and workers have been taken advantage of is directly related to the loss of unions. "Focusing on full-time, private sector workers, Western and Rosenfeld find that deunionization?the decline in the percentage of the labor force that is unionized?and educational stratification each explain about 33 percent of the rise in within-group wage inequality among men. Among women, deunionization explains about 20 percent of the increase in wage inequality, whereas education explains more than 40 percent." http://www.newswise.com/articles/stu...age-inequality You think corporations make people work 40 hours a week in non-sweatshop conditions because that's the right thing to do? Nice fantasy.

08-10-2011, 11:37 AM	#146
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,911	?The examination of the construction labor market and the facts concerning the postures of organized labor, unionized construction, and their political supporters, as well as of the cases in various states, demonstrate that the claimed advantages of government-mandated PLAs are not supported by factual evidence? http://www.plawatch.com/studies

08-10-2011, 12:58 PM	#150
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