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Old 09-08-2011, 12:15 PM   #51
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Assuming the US gov wouldn't lie about their reasons for going to war, the following deaths and injuries have occurred since 9-11:

- 19,629 total deaths in Afghanistan
- 48,644 total injured in Afghanistan

- 900,338 total deaths in Iraq
- 1,690,903 total injured in Iraq

Worth it?
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Old 09-08-2011, 01:18 PM   #54
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Assuming the US gov wouldn't lie about their reasons for going to war, the following deaths and injuries have occurred since 9-11:

- 19,629 total deaths in Afghanistan
- 48,644 total injured in Afghanistan

- 900,338 total deaths in Iraq
- 1,690,903 total injured in Iraq

Worth it?
Were you there in combat taking live fire ? ... Of course not.. because your are a coward ...

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Old 09-08-2011, 01:20 PM   #55
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they fucked up with building 7. i'm not sure how their plan got fucked up, maybe they thought it would have had more damage than it did from the other buildings coming down.

buildings don't collapse into their own footprint from that amount of damage. in order for that to happen, all main supports have to be removed in a certain order. this is a process that takes a high degree of planning and skill.

even larry silverstein said he gave the order to "pull it". after making that comment he kept quiet because he knew he fucked up. when he was asked a year later he said he was referring to pulling firefighters. well, you don't call a group of people "it" and there were no firefighters in that building at the time because the entire area was considered unsafe.

if another country had the same thing happen to them and they blamed us for the attack, you would have every swinging dick engineer saying it was a textbook demo job.

how could the government do this? we wiped out 1/4 of a million people using two bombs so do you really think they give a fuck about 3K?
or... the heat from the fires weakened the steel enough to cause the collapse..

Why do conspiracy nut bars omit the possibilities of heat weakening support beams? these theories have been debunked over a million times by people who far exceed our engineering capabilities..which includes me who actually went to school for it...
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Were you there in combat taking live fire ? ... Of course not.. because your are a coward ...
Why would anyone of sane mind go to combat for the benefit of old white men's greed?

I'd rather not be a statistic, thank you. I'll watch all the brave boys and girls from the safety of GFY and Youtube.

P.S. It's "you're."
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Old 09-08-2011, 01:58 PM   #57
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or... the heat from the fires weakened the steel enough to cause the collapse..

Why do conspiracy nut bars omit the possibilities of heat weakening support beams? these theories have been debunked over a million times by people who far exceed our engineering capabilities..which includes me who actually went to school for it...
did you really just write that? the fire in building 7 weakened all the main structural supports which caused it to collapse into it's own foot print? did you see it come down? anyone with half a brain can see that it was clearly a demo job. the government was relying on people like you to buy it.

i guess you missed class that day.
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Why would anyone of sane mind go to combat for the benefit of old white men's greed?

I'd rather not be a statistic, thank you. I'll watch all the brave boys and girls from the safety of GFY and Youtube.

P.S. It's "you're."
because they don't get to chose what cause they are fighting for.
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anyone with half a brain can see that it was clearly a demo job.
Remind me, why they did this again ??
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because they don't get to chose what cause they are fighting for.
You missed the point.

What was the last cause that was actually worth fighting/dying/killing for?
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Old 09-08-2011, 02:19 PM   #61
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I am still blown away by what happened on 9/11. It's our generation's Pearl Harbor. I haven't been watching the news much, but I do have a bunch of 9/11 related stuff on the DVR set to record.
Even ten years later, what happened on that day is still beyond my comprehension. I watch footage of the towers coming down and tears well up in my eyes. I stare in disbelief, and I do not understand.

No matter what happened over the last decade, no matter how the media plays the events of 9/11 for their own benefit... a LOT of really good people died for absolutely no reason.

The media and politicians can say what they want. When those buildings came down, a lot of people - fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, daughters and sons - died. When I watch the towers fall, I am watching people die.

To this day it breaks my heart. It will continue to do so until I am dead and buried.
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buildings don't collapse into their own footprint from that amount of damage.
None of the buildings collapsed on their own. They were damaged by fire, collision and debris.

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in order for that to happen, all main supports have to be removed in a certain order. this is a process that takes a high degree of planning and skill.
That is just silly.
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Old 09-08-2011, 06:40 PM   #65
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Remind me, why they did this again ??
we're in iraq aren't we? mission accomplished...
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You missed the point.

What was the last cause that was actually worth fighting/dying/killing for?
simple answer...oil
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None of the buildings collapsed on their own. They were damaged by fire, collision and debris.



That is just silly.
i didn't say they collapsed on their own. they had a lot of help from explosives.

i said they collapsed into their own footprint which could not and did not happen without explosives.

it doesn't matter at this point and it's useless even talking about it.
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I have landed in NYC 10 days after and rushed in to see what it looked like.... Damn, that was a mess.
I sent a jar of some of the ash to a Dutch friend for some sort of art project. It was treated respectfully.

I also saw one of the morgues they were using to identify parts accidentally.
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You missed the point.

What was the last cause that was actually worth fighting/dying/killing for?
Civil war/ww2
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i didn't say they collapsed on their own. they had a lot of help from explosives.

i said they collapsed into their own footprint which could not and did not happen without explosives.

it doesn't matter at this point and it's useless even talking about it.
You are a moron. You think 50+ story buildings are, in the case of collapse, supposed to fall over on their side taking out much of southern manhattan?
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Fuuuuuuuuuuck!

Can't turn to the news without some fuggin' spin on 9/11 - they're even reporting about reporting on 9/11 now!!!!!

Go AWAY!!!

sigh...
How about you go away your Canadian alcoholic piece of shit
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Nah, that's ok, I won't. Are you an employee of one of the network news outlets?

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You are a moron. You think 50+ story buildings are, in the case of collapse, supposed to fall over on their side taking out much of southern manhattan?
no idiot, they're not suppose to collapse at all...that's my point.
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no idiot, they're not suppose to collapse at all...that's my point.
They are still engineered in such a way that they don't fall over sideways.
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no idiot, they're not suppose to collapse at all...that's my point.
and the titanic wasn't supposed to sink. but it did.
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They are still engineered in such a way that they don't fall over sideways.
i agree, or collapse...but yet they did in textbook demo style so what does that tell you.
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and the titanic wasn't supposed to sink. but it did.
history is full of steel ships that sank after hitting icebergs.

i know it's hard to believe that the builder would tell people it's unsinkable. hmmm, why would he lie like that?
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