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Just Alex

Here clown, I'll help you out. After all, you two are alike. The only difference is he has an excuse to be delusional due to his age.

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The problem with replies like yours Alex. Is they say nothing of interest.

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Roald

yet interesting (or bothering?) enough to bump a day old thread

See you in Prague!!!

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Just Alex

I wasn't talking to you Paul.

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Paul Markham

So who was this about?

"The only difference is he has an excuse to be delusional due to his age."

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Bladewire

I believe in a positive outlook
and moving forward to success

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This thread is worth it just for the replies alone.

My sentiments exactly.

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Paul Markham

So do I. But the positive outlook needs to be realistic.

Clearly online porn is suffering. I'm positive enough to see a way out. It seems all the gurus and experts aren't.

For me the way to a better future relies totally on utilising the benefits of an Internet delivered product rather than copying the same offline did in terms of the product. Which was stack product on a shelf in the hope someone would buy it. Online stacked product in a site and gave it away as boxes and hoped someone would buy it.

I''m far to positive to think that's right today or the only way.

The Internet can do one thing offline porn can't do. We do it in a few limited and usually expensive ways. Not enough ways and not really utilised it's possibilities. The Internet porn site can supply live contact to it's members.

so instead of a member signing up and just seeing a pile of porn scenes, he meets a real girl or guy for Gay sites. She chats with the members, helps him through the site and is there to chat all the time.

Cost after technology is supplied $2,000 per month per girl. That's probably over the top for a girl not getting her kit off. It would need 4.5 girls to supply 24/30 day coverage of girls working 40 hours a week, 120 hours a month. Total wage is $9000.

Divide that by a site with 1,000 members and it's obviously too expensive. Divide it by 10,000 members and it's 90 cents a month.

If online porn is now a collection of small sites with 1,000 to 2,000 members then it's not the picture given here by many. If it's sites with 5,000 plus then it's affordable. For a sponsor with a lot of sites doing well it's very possible.

Now look at the other benefits. What would you rather sign up to a site which is just a pile of porn, 100,000 of them to choose from, or a site with a live girl online to meet. Same goes for affiliates, would you take a little less to get a site that converts and retains better?

Live instant contact is all online paysite has to offer. Boxed porn is dying slowly, it's free on Tubes and piracy sites. To stay in a declining business and not changing is negative a defeatist. And won't take you to any long term success.

Now the question is does anyone have the balls and the money to make it work?

Or only can hide their inability with insults?

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so despite everything paul has said about the state of porn online he is now proudly boasting that he has seen the light and it is online


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Paul Markham

Maybe my negativity come from the view I got of online porn.

It was of an industry with great potential, lots of ways to move porn forward and an industry that could adapt and innovate beyond what offline porn was able to do.

When I first met a lot of online people at a show their talk backed up what I had experienced meeting a few. The few I had met were making a lot of money. A guy in San Francisco was buying images and video to put on discs and selling them for free and a $4.99 delivery and package charge. Which was a $3 profit and selling them by the 1,000s. A guy in Pasadena who was buying all he could get, 20 image sets for $3 to $10 an image. And others who were buying and selling very well. Then brokering with Scarlett and John Copeland was making lots of money.

The talk I heard at Internext backed all this up. right to the moment it came to buying content.

The biggest sponsor of the day offered us a laughable wage to work for him full time. Ounique weren't able to pay $300 a set for the license to sell a set online. And over and over again the same story, big talk with small purses.

And later it carried on. big talking sponsors who couldn't afford a decent product. Their reason why was always the same, "You don't need to spend a lot of money on content." Or words to that effect. Truth is if you want to convert and retain well you absolutely have to have a good product.

If you want a site that converts twice as well as sites you're competing with you need to give surfers twice as much reasons to buy. If you want a site to retain twice as long, you need to give members twice as many reasons to stay.

Or you send twice as much traffic, to get the same number of joins and twice as many again to build the members base.

Is that cheaper than providing a better product. Is it cheaper to send 40,000 hits to poor site, than sending 10,000 to a great site?

Forward to 2005. It was then I first thought of live scenes. Going online with a live cam of a porn scene. Maybe where I am shooting and the girls get carried away, or just live sex scenes. Did a budget for it and it was clear few single sites could do it. It would need 4-10 sites, depending on their size, to make it work. Armed with the costs I visited a show and spoke to many. And came up with the same story, "I can buy an exclusive scenes I keep for ever for a lot less."

Today, boxed porn is dying, be it online or offline. Free, legal and non legal is killing it slowly.

Do we keep going down the same road or look at something free can't offer? Or adapt the MFC model to make it work inside paysites?

And if we don't adapt and innovate, why. Lack of finances or will or ability?

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Paul Markham

I see a way to take online adult forward beside doing the same as we have done for the last 12 plus years.

I'm always reading the game changes fast, then ask myself so why are so many playing it the way they have for years.

I understand all this is beyond your limit of understanding, there I go again thinking positively that you might grasp it. Silly me, no chance.

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Bladewire

That's a neat idea for a segment of surfers. The model could go into personal cam mode as well if the surfers asks her to take off her clothes ;) She'll make money for the cam show, after it's done she goes back on the grid to help other surfers through the site.

There are a LOT of possibilities in online porn, and online in general. We must keep adapting to, and changing, the environment we operate in to keep thing profitable and fresh, like any other industry. Keep up the good work Paul and find something unique that you can implement yourself. That could be the key.

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One thing you could do Paul, as a content producer. Is come up with unique niches, shoot the content for it, and approach some big players to sell the content to. They'll have an instant niche with content and you're the shooter

Of course you could always make your own site with the unique niche and make continuous profit for years to come off that content.

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people have changed the game. you are so stuck in the betamax and the mags in plastic bags era to grasp that.

Paul Markham

Yes the girls who want to can buck their income by doing one 2 one shows, or just doing live shows for tips inside the site and this will bump her wages. She had to be controlled so her aim isn't primarily to get the live shows. I've seen that option and it's not what I'm talking about. She's there to chat to members and be their virtual GF on the site.

This was the telling part of your post.

We must keep adapting to, and changing"

So what have we done with the product that's different from offline?

We sell single scenes, in a package. Bigger and cheaper than offline. Offline for $30 gets the buyer 4-6 scenes. Online gives him 20 to 2,000. Still selling the same recorded porn just cheaper.

Online porn is no where near the quality of offline porn. Some will show examples of a few sites, in general it never did come up to the quality.

And that's about it. We loaded 1,000s of sites with 100,000s that were in general low quality.

Small difference and no real innovation or adaptation.

Then the biggest difference. We gave the product away in quantities that are staggering. Then piracy hit us, it wasn't until recently that piracy was an issue. Even with piracy most surfers prefer a free Tube site to a piracy site.

Pre recorded scenes are about the least most sale-able today than they have ever been. And yet that's all we do, except we load free tube with tools automatically, what has been the adaptation to the threat of free porn?

There's no option, we have to change what we sell. Live porn and series of scenes telling a story, be it a solo girl site like Ryan has or Brazzers. The next scene in the series has to be good enough to keep the member glued to being a member. And online porn has to be personal.

It simply can't keep loading sites with impersonal content that doesn't hook members in and on the other feed it's main rival. Free porn.

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Paul Markham

I'm too sick to shoot. But let's say I was able to shoot, many are.

You simply cant shoot what I did with Sandra for $500 a scene. When sponsors pay $1500 for 5 scenes the resulting product is obviously crap. Sponsors need to start to think in terms of paying what it needs to be to get it done right, rather than paying the least possible to get the minutes and image count.

I once said our content isn't good enough today. Damian sprang onto it by claiming it was just my content. Truth is the sponsors paying $1500 for 5 scenes were getting worse content. It's not just my content that's not good enough. It's the vast majority of sites.

When Warchild came in and boasted he was converting Tube traffic at 1-500 he thought or still does think that's great. In what world are we all living that thinks losing 499 possible customers is good and to get those 500 it might take giving it away for free to 5,000.

The simple truth is the vast majority of surfers are saying no to what we all sell and that's costing us billions.

We need to change.

We need to get it into our heads that changing format and allowing millions to consume for free isn't change. Well change for the good.

One is evolution the other suicide.

Is PJ the only one who thinks like this? Sadly no.

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Jel

So now we can add not knowing the difference between affiliate reps, and salespeople to wankham's repertoire

Paul Markham

There are very very few real sales people in online porn. In fact very few in porn at all.

Selling a repeat buy product, which porn is, isn't something that can be done with real sales people. The people who do this are called reps. In that they "represent" the company they work for.

The y convince people to take their product and present it to customers in a way that those customers will display/offer it to customers. The final decision on whether to buy is left to the customer, the packaging and presentation of that product relies on the marketing/design people to come up with the right display.

The ultimate success of the product relies on the product itself, because getting a one off sale it pretty easy on this level of product. Getting the customer to buy it repeatedly is down to the product. Will he/she buy it again. And continue to buy it for weeks, months or years? Time is the goal.

So how does this relate to the product we sell?

If a rep convinces you his sites will sell to your traffic, you as a clever businessman will give it a try. If you find it's not working as the rep said, you move your traffic. This is logical and sensible.

If when one of your surfers joins the site and sees it's great, they stay and stay and you're getting rebills for a long time. If he sees it crap and doesn't renew you get one months payout.

In porn we have a far bigger problem, we not only compete with each other. We now compete with free porn. If the bought product doesn't offer more than the free product, the customers don't buy at all.

Changing the format it's shot in, giving it away for free in ever increasing amounts and having strange ideas that what happens with affiliate reps, and salespeople while doing nothing else. Is going to convince no one to buy a membership month after month. On the site you promote or any other site.

Putting up a site like yours, shows your level.

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Dappz

ummmmmmmmmm this is a good pointers how could you work hahahahaha

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DatingGameExpert

Damn, why is some old guy arguing with a bunch of washed out webmasters on a burnt out forum? It's the fucking weekend people, get out of your houses.

TheSquealer

This guy is like a 1800's texas cowboy arguing with Enzo Ferrari about why horses are better than cars and how cars ruined the world. I can never really decide if it's really funny or just really sad. Usually it's a bit of both.

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It's better than just watching the industry decline.

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Then why is your site full of crap porn?

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porno jew

hey idiot people aren't paying for expensive lavish shots because the consumer doesn't want that corny phoney-baloney shit.

it's the age of the amateur. people prefer shit that looks like it was shot with their phone or cam.

why do you think most of the sites opened are gf type sites? why are those companies expanding their offices? why is that huh? because it is "dead?"

you will never ever grasp that simple reality which makes all your drivel worthless.

Mutt

i thought you were pronounced clear of cancer.

hope you were anyway.

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I bought it off so-called porn shooters?

Paul Markham

I was, still if you look at the video Reggie shot you can see what condition I'm in.

As I said it would be great to do something in the industry, like teach shooters how to do more than point a camera or go off course with porn like Cherry does. Or even bring better shape to members areas, as most are just a pile of porn. It needs people who want to make something more of the product to take a step and give it a try.

Pleasure King was sticking to a few words on the opening page to deter the discussion away from the product, which I think is good. Another top program owner judges my skill by what trolls think, some by my paysite. They ignore that trolls are the least important people in porn and the paysite was an offshoot of the other sides of the business. And by the time the magazine side has lost the battle against free porn we were hit with the double tragedies.

The biggest thing people avoid in online porn is the number of people who hit a site and after seeing the tour move on and the number of people that join and soon move on. Tours are lacking conversion power and members areas are sticky enough. Can I improve that? No one will know until they listen.

Want to give me a login to your site? I'll review it and give you my thoughts.

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Jakez

So true. Both are correct, except one of them are correct in 2011. He just doesn't get that.

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gideongallery

you do realize your just copying the chat site model right

they pay less to affiliates in commission too

wow you discovered what every one knew years ago.

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Paul Markham

No I'm adapting the chat model to fit the paysite one.

The object of a girl on a chat site is to get a single customer, at a time, into a higher priced 1-1 chat and show.

This is to keep 1,000s of surfers converting and rebilling by giving them something above what they currently get. The object isn't for the girl to get viewers to spend money, they have already spent money by joining the site. It's to chat with them, keep them happy and learn more about what they like and don't like. We do very little of that above comments below a scene. How is that better than comments to a real live person?

Yes the model of a girl chatting with viewers isn't new, but am I the only one who sees the cross over?

If cost is the only thing that stops people trying it, then this industry isn't as rich as it makes out. It has been done before, on solo girl sites and works beautifully. If the site can afford to keep the girl interested in working. Many simply can't.

I see a different side of the business than you will as an affiliate. Affiliates get the view of an industry with loads of money to spend on them. The content side gets a view of an industry with little money to spend on the product.

To get a good girl model to work exclusive on a site she doesn't own is going to cost $50,000 a year. That's minimum for a good girl here. LA porn girl more. Bad girls are cheap, but who wants to join a site with a bad girl on? How many sites do you know that offer a girl that kind of money, like the exclusive girls offline porn has?

My idea is for girls with a broad mind, nice looks, personality and want to keep their clothes on. Cost comes plummeting down.

Would you want to send traffic to a site with a live girl chatting to members or a site without one?

You're assuming Online porn has taken porn forward like the car took transport forward.

That's the stupidest assumption ever.

The stupid part is, you still have to pay for a car to enjoy one, people no longer have to pay for porn to enjoy it.

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Paul Markham

Just realised why GG doesn't like my idea, hard to steal live stuff.

Silly me, I'm getting slower.

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As usual, the simplest of analogies are completely lost on you. It's not about the horse or the car, its about the pathetic old man that's totally lost in an ever changing world which he clearly no longer understands.

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Congrats on the award, Paulie ...

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have you joined a solo site in the last couple years, virtually every pornstar official site has weekly chats for the members

that model is already established. you didn't adapt anything to the paysite model



the problem isn't the concept paul, like i said it currently exist in 100s of pay sites right now

it the implementation

if a girl was that good a draw to the paysite model she would make 10-20 times more money hustling for 1:1 in a chat site. You can't compete with those offers, so it is designed to fail.

Your completely missing the point of the competition in the marketplace

paul do a search

i have said the solution is 5 parts
1. doing watermarks correctly
2. branding bugs
3. doing live interaction correctly
4. setting up private tracker correctly
5 doing product placement correctly

i have said it for more then 4 years now

i understand how important live interaction is new model, i also know what the right WAY to do it is.

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Paul Markham

I understand the online porn well perfectly. sales are falling, traffic is rising and no one seems to be doing anything about it. Except give away more free porn. Unless you think that's the way forward you're wrong.

Your "simplest of analogies" was stupid and in no way applies to online porn. The car revolutionised the transport industry. Online porn could of done the same, yet failed to. Were the people running the business incapable of doing more than giving away free porn to get a few to buy a generally sub standard product. Are you typical of online porn?

A person who comes from Russia to Czech, to meet a shooter he thinks produces crap work, when he meets him doesn't like him and his assistant positively dislikes him, yet goes to his studio, stays with him all day and even goes to his home for a pasta dinner. What do you do with people you like and want to do business with, go on holiday with them?

Is the business run by no sig trolls like you?

I've achieved something in my life, you've done what?

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Paul so you "too" sick to prove everyone here wrong and actually go *do* it. Everyone else here is stupid, except for you who has all the answers but alas you can't do anything about it because you are too sick. But yet you are not to sick to sit in front the computer all day and write tons of long posts and ebooks.

For once in your life actually go do it. You keep thinking you got it figured out, but yet you accomplish zero. Don't you think that says something about your thoughts???

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