those peaceful occupy oakland protesters

[12clicks]

continue to break the law and clash with police.
shutting down the port to teach those 1%ers working at the port, driving trucks, etc. who's boss.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/02...get-busy-port/



keep up the good work guys

[Fletch XXX]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party

"The Boston Tea Party was a key event in the growth of the American Revolution. "

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party

"The Boston Tea Party was a key event in the growth of the American Revolution. "

The Boston Tea Party had a defined enemy and a clear goal.

The enemy here is the "1%." And no matter how many times I've asked exactly these 1% are, I have yet to receive an answer aside from "pshaw! You should already know!"

I thought the enemy was banks. Then I thought it was politicians. Then it was overbearing police. Now it's shipping companies. Next up: school principals.

[TheDoc]

Lol @ foxnews... "Protesters Clash With Police" "officials described the protests as peaceful and orderly and said no arrests had been made."

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Lol @ foxnews... "Protesters Clash With Police" "officials described the protests as peaceful and orderly and said no arrests had been made."

Lol @ idiot posters........... "peaceful occupy protest degenerates into riot"
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/451449.../#.TrKUapuU-zs

"Occupy Oakland protesters clash with police"
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...h-with-police/

most damning of all:
"MC Hammer Joins Occupy Oakland Protests"
http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowll...rotests_b44029

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Sly

The Boston Tea Party had a defined enemy and a clear goal.

The enemy here is the "1%." And no matter how many times I've asked exactly these 1% are, I have yet to receive an answer aside from "pshaw! You should already know!"

I thought the enemy was banks. Then I thought it was politicians. Then it was overbearing police. Now it's shipping companies. Next up: school principals.

Odd, I've seen others and myself explain who the 1% is, and even list people/corps, several times, even in threads I've seen you post in.... I'll clear it up, if you didn't get a bailout / the investment frauds, help it out, etc, etc, etc... you're part of the 99% - now it's impossible to be confused in the future.

They weren't protesting shipping companies... they were trying to get a general strike to take place so more people would notice the cause, which did work, 1000's of people joined them.

Btw, they didn't just protest the port, that was the end of the march, along the way they did the same thing to about a dozen banks and other major corps in the area.

It's probably best to not get your information from fox news about this....

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

Lol @ idiot posters........... "peaceful occupy protest degenerates into riot"
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/451449.../#.TrKUapuU-zs

"Occupy Oakland protesters clash with police"
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...h-with-police/

most damning of all:
"MC Hammer Joins Occupy Oakland Protests"
http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowll...rotests_b44029

Oh my god, a clash of the titans, 3000 people and 30 get arrested, oh my fucking god, the entire protest is degenerates!


I wonder why Fox reported this then? "officials described the protests as peaceful and orderly and said no arrests had been made."

[Sly]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Odd, I've seen others and myself explain who the 1% is, and even list people/corps, several times, even in threads I've seen you post in.... I'll clear it up, if you didn't get a bailout / the investment frauds, help it out, etc, etc, etc... you're part of the 99% - now it's impossible to be confused in the future.

They weren't protesting shipping companies... they were trying to get a general strike to take place so more people would notice the cause, which did work, 1000's of people joined them.

Btw, they didn't just protest the port, that was the end of the march, along the way they did the same thing to about a dozen banks and other major corps in the area.

It's probably best to not get your information from fox news about this....

I read about it last night and this morning on another news source before reading this Fox article. The other article said almost the exact same things this Fox article is saying, so I'm clueless what this particular Fox article has to do with anything.

I've also read your other replies about it being the opposite of the 99% after you described who the 99% are. That's not a definition, that is a broad spectrum of people.

Hey if this movement thinks they are going to accomplish actual goals by doing these protests, have at it. I am merely suggesting they pick specific actual targets, focus all energy on those targets, and tear them down. This energy could turn over Congress in 2012, but they would need to get started on it now. Primaries are soon.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Sly

The Boston Tea Party had a defined enemy and a clear goal.

The enemy here is the "1%." And no matter how many times I've asked exactly these 1% are, I have yet to receive an answer aside from "pshaw! You should already know!"

I thought the enemy was banks. Then I thought it was politicians. Then it was overbearing police. Now it's shipping companies. Next up: school principals.

yeah, from their words you can't really tell who the enemy is.
from their actions, it seems their enemy is anyone with a job.

here in philly, a handful of trash "occupied" the comcast building. far as I know, they didn't get a bailout / the investment frauds, help it out, etc, etc, etc...

[theking]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Oh my god, a clash of the titans, 3000 people and 30 get arrested, oh my fucking god, the entire protest is degenerates!


I wonder why Fox reported this then? "officials described the protests as peaceful and orderly and said no arrests had been made."

It was reported that in the begging it was peaceful and orderly and then some of the protesters broke out windows and defaced some businesses on the way to the port and then upon reaching the port a fire was started.

[nation-x]

Those "anarchist" groups have started showing up at the protests now... breaking windows and other shit... stupid motherfuckers.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Sly

I read about it last night and this morning on another news source before reading this Fox article. The other article said almost the exact same things this Fox article is saying, so I'm clueless what this particular Fox article has to do with anything.

in idiotville, you seem smart if you say something back about fox.

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by Sly

The Boston Tea Party had a defined enemy and a clear goal.

The enemy here is the "1%." And no matter how many times I've asked exactly these 1% are, I have yet to receive an answer aside from "pshaw! You should already know!"

I thought the enemy was banks. Then I thought it was politicians. Then it was overbearing police. Now it's shipping companies. Next up: school principals.

Sly, people still don't know why the Civil War was fought. However, these people are very pissed off and doing something about it. Of course there are trouble makers out there too, always, but I say bring on the protests.

[Minte]

[QUOTE=TheDoc;18534004]Odd, I've seen others and myself explain who the 1% is, and even list people/corps, several times, even in threads I've seen you post in.... I'll clear it up, if you didn't get a bailout / the investment frauds, help it out, etc, etc, etc... you're part of the 99% - now it's impossible to be confused in the future.

They weren't protesting shipping companies... they were trying to get a general strike to take place so more people would notice the cause, which did work, 1000's of people joined them.

Btw, they didn't just protest the port, that was the end of the march, along the way they did the same thing to about a dozen banks and other major corps in the area.

It's probably best to not get your information from fox news about this....[/QUOT

Once again you are confusing your opinion with facts. The 1% is a much larger group than the handful(.0000001%) of people that benefited from the obama stimulus and bailouts.

[TheSquealer]

It's pure comedy that everyone has to continually explain what the "1%" is and even more so, when no two explanations are the same. I couldn't even begin to count the many levels of fail in this.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Sly

I read about it last night and this morning on another news source before reading this Fox article. The other article said almost the exact same things this Fox article is saying, so I'm clueless what this particular Fox article has to do with anything.

I've also read your other replies about it being the opposite of the 99% after you described who the 99% are. That's not a definition, that is a broad spectrum of people.

Hey if this movement thinks they are going to accomplish actual goals by doing these protests, have at it. I am merely suggesting they pick specific actual targets, focus all energy on those targets, and tear them down. This energy could turn over Congress in 2012, but they would need to get started on it now. Primaries are soon.

Odd, the articles above all say something a little different... I wonder why they all focused in on 30 people causing problems and not the other 3000? Maybe to twist the truth a little?

99% is a broad spectrum of people, the 1% is not... the 1% is very easy to define.

They've already accomplished many goals... people like 12clicks are talking about it, which means he's paying attention.. goal #1 reached. They've also gotten bankers, investment corps, etc to start talking, even big ceo's have took notice, even spoken about it.. so clearly, they are accomplishing things.

[nation-x]

[Sly]

Not Fox: http://news.yahoo.com/police-occupy-...bouchon=807,ca

More or less says the same thing.

I don't have a problem with people protesting. A little chaos every now and then is good. I simply believe it to be ineffective use of energy. A few smart people could start channeling all of that energy from everyone who has no clue what they are doing and get results.

Protests in the Middle East (for a terrible example) do very little until you call NATO!

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Minte

Once again you are confusing your opinion with facts. The 1% is a much larger group than the handful(.0000001%) of people that benefited from the obama stimulus and bailouts.

I'm sorry, I had no idea that every time we posted about th 1% we had to list every possible situation that puts a person into the 1%.

Get off your ego trip, you are part of the 99% too.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Odd, the articles above all say something a little different... I wonder why they all focused in on 30 people causing problems and not the other 3000? Maybe to twist the truth a little?

99% is a broad spectrum of people, the 1% is not... the 1% is very easy to define.

They've already accomplished many goals... people like 12clicks are talking about it, which means he's paying attention.. goal #1 reached. They've also gotten bankers, investment corps, etc to start talking, even big ceo's have took notice, even spoken about it.. so clearly, they are accomplishing things.

We clearly have different definitions of just about everything. That's fine. We will agree to disagree.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

It's pure comedy that everyone has to continually explain what the "1%" is and even more so, when no two explanations are the same. I couldn't even begin to count the many levels of fail in this.

Why does the 1% have to be a single defined thing?

The protests of the 60's had 1000's of various messages, that slowly became one core message... with still, 1000's of messages within it.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Sly

We clearly have different definitions of just about everything. That's fine. We will agree to disagree.

If you're confused about who the 1%, vs you the 99%, then you have an ego problem, period...

Nothing to disagree about. If not, then no worries, it makes no difference.

[Sly]

Busted. I have an ego problem. Or I'm just too stupid to understand.

I'll have to think about which one it is. Maybe both.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Why does the 1% have to be a single defined thing?

The protests of the 60's had 1000's of various messages, that slowly became one core message... with still, 1000's of messages within it.

I know that I am wrong for continually assuming it should be obvious that you cant affect change without having a single, clearly defined message and clearly defined objective. Otherwise, its obviously just a bunch of random assholes bitching about anything and everything at the expense of tax payers with little to no probability of it going anywhere for any of them.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Get off your ego trip, you are part of the 99% too.

no one on GFY is really in the 1%, no matter how hard they wish they were.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Why does the 1% have to be a single defined thing?

The protests of the 60's had 1000's of various messages, that slowly became one core message... with still, 1000's of messages within it.

no they didn't.

[cherrylula]

LOL @ the anarchists.... I bet they shop at army surplus stores for all their stuff.

[Rochard]

Looks rather peaceful to me. I mean, I know when they set fire to shit in the street, it's always peaceful.



I don't understand this. How does a "general strike" attempting to shut down city hurt the 1%? It hurts the 99% in lost wages, and smaller businesses who have to shut down because of it. Five businesses were vandalized. Downtown Oakland seems to be shutdown this morning - wonderful - people won't be able to get to their jobs.

[theking]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

If you're confused about who the 1%, vs you the 99%, then you have an ego problem, period...

Nothing to disagree about. If not, then no worries, it makes no difference.

You seem to have an explanation for everything. What are they attempting to accomplish/goal?

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

no one on GFY is really in the 1%, no matter how hard they wish they were.

some of us identify with the rabble, some of us don't.

It all depends on your station in life.

so far, a tiny group of people refer to themselves as the 99%
What you guys fail to realize is that most of us are not the 99%. The protesters saying it doesn't make it true.

[brassmonkey]

if you dont hold your ground they'll push your ass over. This is the beginning of something big

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Odd, the articles above all say something a little different... I wonder why they all focused in on 30 people causing problems and not the other 3000? Maybe to twist the truth a little?

Protesters bring out the worst in people. With no real leadership and no barrier to entry, anyone can just show up and take part.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

They've already accomplished many goals... people like 12clicks are talking about it, which means he's paying attention.. goal #1 reached. They've also gotten bankers, investment corps, etc to start talking, even big ceo's have took notice, even spoken about it.. so clearly, they are accomplishing things.

The general public isn't suddenly talking about the issues because of the OWS; We've been talking about these issues for years now. This has dominated the news, dominated the last election, and will dominate the next election.

Now instead of talking about the issues, we are talking about protesters burning shit, vandalizing businesses, and causing employees to miss time at work - all while costing city governments millions.

The only fucking goal they have at this point is "Look at us".

[Minte]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I'm sorry, I had no idea that every time we posted about th 1% we had to list every possible situation that puts a person into the 1%.

Get off your ego trip, you are part of the 99% too.

Again you are confused. Your opinion ...

If you think that I am going to be demonstrating or contributing to whatever this cause actually is you are delusional. It's ego that puts people in the 1%.

[Caligari]

Now the real infiltration begins.
What started as simple protesting (which was working well) has turned into factions of groups with sinister motives.
The lame ass anarchists who love to break shit. That's great, good way to get the people behind you.
OWS splinter groups backed by $ who are not of the original OWS stirring up shit and pissing regular people off i.e. port blockade.

Whoever is behind these latest hijinks in Oakland is doing the job because it's derailing the movement quickly.

When you have millions of people behind you, don't turn around and slap them in the face.

[cherrylula]

There are anarchists down here in New Orleans and they have "picnics."

One day, I have to go and see what this is all about. Just, to see.... lol

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

some of us identify with the rabble, some of us don't.

It all depends on your station in life.

so far, a tiny group of people refer to themselves as the 99%
What you guys fail to realize is that most of us are not the 99%. The protesters saying it doesn't make it true.

your betters thank you for striving to keep the status quo.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

your betters thank you for striving to keep the status quo.

and my lessors cause damage and shut things down.
Its 1000 times better to be me than to be you.


no matter what your mommy yells to you from the other room.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

and my lessors cause damage and shut things down.
Its 1000 times better to be me than to be you.


no matter what your mommy yells to you from the other room.

your betters did more damange to the economy than any of these protesters could ever do.

[gleem]

If you made $340k this year you are officially in the top 1% of earners in the country.

If you made $50k this year you are in the top 10%!!


congrats to all the winners!

[TheSquealer]

I dont really watch the news much anymore. Here is what I gather from the "1% protests". A bunch of people are irritated and agitated. Almost none of them can articulate what they want to happen exactly as a result of their "efforts".

In my city, this started and I watched a rather comical news piece of a reporter walking around and randomly asking protesters why they were protesting. Predictably, no one could articulate either why, what they wanted or what they expected to happen exactly as a result. Most of them stuttered, stammered and openly said that people are there for their own reasons. Well... if you're there for your own reasons, then obviously you're not going to change anything. If the entire nation was protesting for a single point i.e. enacting certain legislation on banking reform or whatever, the entire nation could easily understand, get behind it and make it happen. When there is no message... when there is no objective.... there will be no change. As it is, these idiots are costing tax payers and business money. Tons of money... and for no discernible reason.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by gleem

If you made $340k this year you are officially in the top 1% of earners in the country.

If you made $50k this year you are in the top 10%!!


congrats to all the winners!

Thats pretty sad and goes to show such a tiny tiny minority hold all the money and the power.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

Thats pretty sad and goes to show such a tiny tiny minority hold all the money and the power.

Its pretty sad that such a large majority of a nation are buying gold grills, designer jeans, iphones, jewelry and maxing out their credit cards with useless crap... then bitching about those who don't.



Rich people invest.

Poor people spend.

That concludes this lesson on Basic Personal Finance As It Applies to Macroeconomics 101.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

your betters did more damange to the economy than any of these protesters could ever do.

I don't consider politicians my betters.

[potter]

For all you who don't "understand" what they are protesting about, or who is who, and blah blah blah.

Here is a REALLY good article sort of explaining a lot of it - http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...ating-20111025

^ Seriously, if you plan on making any more posts in a OWS thread in your life, please for the love of god read that article. So tired of people (in general) just blabbing away on topics they don't understand. So fucking annoying.

[gleem]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

Thats pretty sad and goes to show such a tiny tiny minority hold all the money and the power.

It is sad. It's also sad that most of the 89% sit around and do nothing but collect tax money to support themselves and even sadder that they demand the top 11% aught to give up their money too for no other reason than it's greedy not to.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

Thats pretty sad and goes to show such a tiny tiny minority hold all the money and the power.

what you kids fail to understand is that anyone can become rich as proven by all the people born middle class who now populate the Forbes Richest list.

there's not some secret society of rich people holding you back, its simply your lack of intelligence and ability.
many of the world's richest people started out in life with less than you.
they had the ability, you don't.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by potter

For all you who don't "understand" what they are protesting about, or who is who, and blah blah blah.

Here is a REALLY good article sort of explaining a lot of it - http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...ating-20111025

^ Seriously, if you plan on making any more posts in a OWS thread in your life, please for the love of god read that article. So tired of people (in general) just blabbing away on topics they don't understand. So fucking annoying.

What you don't understand... is that if you have to keep explaining it, then no amount of explaining will matter. Hence the futility of their efforts.

[gleem]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Its pretty sad that such a large majority of a nation are buying gold grills, designer jeans, iphones, jewelry and maxing out their credit cards with useless crap... then bitching about those who don't.



Rich people invest.

Poor people spend.

That concludes this lesson on Basic Personal Finance As It Applies to Macroeconomics 101.

Bullshit. Rich people spend tons. How many jobs you think a rich person creates and supports when he buys a mansion, (company full of employees to build it, housekeepers, gardeners, nannies to maintain), boat (company full of employees to build it, deckhands, captain storage & maintenance mechanics to keep it running). I know plenty of people in the 1% and they tend to spend a shitload of money and balance it out with saving some as well.

I know 2 people in the 1% that never made more than 50k in a single year.

Personally I have been in and out of the 1% myself almost 4 times in my career, and when I wasn't in it, I didn't ask anyone to give me money, I just worked harder.

Speaking in generalities like that is just ignorant, the 1% don't tend to stay in the 1% and enter in and out of it many times in a lifetime. That is what has been always so great about the USA, that this opportunity to move up and down exists and is close to impossible in other countries.

You idiots who think no one is entitled to keep the majority of the fruits of his labor are nothing short than jealous GREEDY assholes. Sure a tiny portion of the 1% inherited the money and never worked a day in their lives, they can fuck off, but that's under 0.1% of the population. Both sides of this argument are serving Kool-Aide, but the marxist message seems to have a bit more sugar in it. Drink up losers.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by potter

For all you who don't "understand" what they are protesting about, or who is who, and blah blah blah.

Here is a REALLY good article sort of explaining a lot of it - http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...ating-20111025

^ Seriously, if you plan on making any more posts in a OWS thread in your life, please for the love of god read that article. So tired of people (in general) just blabbing away on topics they don't understand. So fucking annoying.

odd then that we see so many OWS signs being carried by actual OWS protesters that DON'T talk about big banks and the government. And the whole "warren buffet doesn't pay enough" argument is for the stupid.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Its pretty sad that such a large majority of a nation are buying gold grills, designer jeans, iphones, jewelry and maxing out their credit cards with useless crap... then bitching about those who don't.



Rich people invest.

Poor people spend.

That concludes this lesson on Basic Personal Finance As It Applies to Macroeconomics 101.

All of the stuff you listed didn't really happen with the previous generation yet they were still poor or at best, middle class. They didn't have credit card, they saved money but in the end they didn't really have much more of anything to show for it.