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Old 11-17-2011, 04:58 PM   #51
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They are actually interviewing a group of doctors on the live feed right now, if you choose to enlighten yourselves.
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of course the tea party had a clear message. it was wholly created astro-turf fake populist movement. it was created by astro-turf organisations, marketers and the right wing media.

this is an organic movement but it is growing. who knows where it will end up. i think it's fluidity is part of it's strength. it definitely isn't slowing down.
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Those people, those unions, chose not to work and walk with the 99% in protest. So, they didn't cause employees to lose a day of work, the employees and unions chose to protest. How is freedom of choice counter productive to anything?
OWS claims to represent the 99%. This is completely misleading. If the 99% in NYC was in fact to protest, it would be over eight million people. The truth is the OWS is a very small tiny majority, half of which are college kids, while a large percentage of the American population "supports the over all message". In reality, if OWS never existed, a large percentage of the population would still support the basic message.

Shutting down traffic in NYC is only going to piss off a lot of people.
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Old 11-17-2011, 08:16 PM   #57
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OWS claims to represent the 99%. This is completely misleading. If the 99% in NYC was in fact to protest, it would be over eight million people. The truth is the OWS is a very small tiny majority, half of which are college kids, while a large percentage of the American population "supports the over all message". In reality, if OWS never existed, a large percentage of the population would still support the basic message.

Shutting down traffic in NYC is only going to piss off a lot of people.
The only traffic shutdowns I saw were by the NYPD, and oddly timed ones at that. They could of handled it better. But, while watching the live feed, as the protesters were marching by the traffic that was stopped, they were all blowing their horns, chanting with the protesters, and giving peace signs. I'm sure they weren't all happy, but it seemed like the majority didn't mind.

Anyway, did they piss some people off, sure. But, over 30,000 came out on a work night to support and march. It's a good start to a new beginning. Sacrifices must be made for progress of any kind.
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This again? The shipyard union members supported the general strike as well, they just weren't allowed to join it contractually.
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The ILA and ACD pledge to fight on behalf of Occupy Wall Street to protect their rights of free speech and to assemble.

ACD President Dennis Daggett said his union is grateful that the voice of America's frustrated middle class is being heard through Occupy Wall Street drawing to an inequitable economic system tilted in favor of this country's top 1% of wage earners.

International President Harold Daggett echoed his praise of Occupy Wall Street and their cause.

"Washington bailed out the banks and Wall Street, but our current Congress balks at passing a jobs bill and is totally out of touch with Blue-collared America," said the ILA leader. "In places like Wisconsin and Ohio, those State's lawmakers are stripping police, firemen, teachers and janitors of their benefits and pensions. Like AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka said last week: 'Occupy Wall Street has captured the imagination and passion of millions of Americans who have lost hope that our nation's policymakers are not speaking for them'."

Both ILA leaders said a number of ILA members have reported to them that they have joined the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations at various protests around the country.

"We are proud to stand and walk with those who fight for good jobs," said both the ILA and ACD leaders.
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The only traffic shutdowns I saw were by the NYPD, and oddly timed ones at that. They could of handled it better. But, while watching the live feed, as the protesters were marching by the traffic that was stopped, they were all blowing their horns, chanting with the protesters, and giving peace signs. I'm sure they weren't all happy, but it seemed like the majority didn't mind.

Anyway, did they piss some people off, sure. But, over 30,000 came out on a work night to support and march. It's a good start to a new beginning. Sacrifices must be made for progress of any kind.
It wasn't "thirty thousand". It was "thousands", not "tens of thousands". (Estimate from the AP)

I saw entire streets shut down. This is to be expected for a protest of this size.

Just now at CNN Anderson Cooper was interviewing someone discussing this protest and comparing it to other protests. This guy said "protests must always lead to political action". In the Civil Rights movement, early on, they targeted specific easy to understand rules. In this case, the laws they should be discussing are too complicated for most college kids to understand. But they need to target Washington, not Wall Street. Wall Street isn't gong to change a damn thing on their own.
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No wonder the progressives endorse this movement.

Just like the Tea Party right?



Revolutionary Organization 17 November From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia For the airport with the FAA code 17N, see Cross Keys Airport. 17 November

A reproduction of ?17 November? logo that appeared on their proclamations Dates of operation 1975-2002 Leader Alexandros Giotopoulos, Dimitris Koufodinas Motives anti-imperialist, anti-capitalist, pro-Marxism Active region(s) Greece Ideology Marxist Status dormant Revolutionary Organization 17 November (Greek: Επαναστατική Οργάνωση 17 Νοέμβρη, Epanastatiki Organosi dekaefta Noemvri), (also known as 17N or N17) was a Marxist urban guerrilla organization (characterized as a terrorist group by the Greek state[1] and the United States[2] and the United Kingdom) formed in 1975 and believed to have been disbanded in 2002 after the arrest and trial of a number of its members. The group assassinated 23 people[3] in 103 attacks on U.S., British, Turkish and Greek targets.

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It wasn't "thirty thousand". It was "thousands", not "tens of thousands". (Estimate from the AP)

I saw entire streets shut down. This is to be expected for a protest of this size.

Just now at CNN Anderson Cooper was interviewing someone discussing this protest and comparing it to other protests. This guy said "protests must always lead to political action". In the Civil Rights movement, early on, they targeted specific easy to understand rules. In this case, the laws they should be discussing are too complicated for most college kids to understand. But they need to target Washington, not Wall Street. Wall Street isn't gong to change a damn thing on their own.
Police were talking to each other over scanners estimating the numbers at 30k plus. But, I don't have proof.

Washington is being targeted, as well. I don't believe they need to do anything but continue to protest, gather numbers, support, and strength. Eventually, Washington will have to pay attention, even if the protest isn't at the gates of the White House. That's just my opinion.
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The Obama-endorsed Occupy Wall Street goons terrorized small children going to school.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId= 6465910

Just like the Tea Party...Yeah!
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The Obama-endorsed Occupy Wall Street goons terrorized small children going to school.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId= 6465910

Just like the Tea Party...Yeah!
Plenty of white nationalist neo-nazi groups attached themselves to the tea party. What's your point? That fringe groups latch on to large movements that they feel might give them a platform to further their agenda? No shit......
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Plenty of white nationalist neo-nazi groups attached themselves to the tea party. What's your point? That fringe groups latch on to large movements that they feel might give them a platform to further their agenda? No shit......
What do white nationalist neo-nazi groups have to do with the Occupy thugs going after kids?

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/11/...n-wall-street/
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The Obama-endorsed Occupy Wall Street goons terrorized small children going to school.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId= 6465910

Just like the Tea Party...Yeah!
They shouldn't have been on the streets, they should of expected this. Isn't that what you all keep saying about the old ladies and pregnant women? I don't actually believe that of course, but it's amusing to see how you guys adopt beliefs to fit specific news stories.
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They shouldn't have been on the streets, they should of expected this. Isn't that what you all keep saying about the old ladies and pregnant women? I don't actually believe that of course, but it's amusing to see how you guys adopt beliefs to fit specific news stories.
Kids should not be allowed to cross the street accompanied by there parents as they walk to school...is that what your saying?

Who is "you all and you guys" you give reference to?

You lost me on the old ladies and pregnant women bit, to date ive never mentioned either of them any where and you cant quote me as doing so either.
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Police were talking to each other over scanners estimating the numbers at 30k plus. But, I don't have proof.
So I should believe someone who just signed up to GFY, with less than a 1k posts, and no siggie, over the AP? Sure thing.

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Washington is being targeted, as well. I don't believe they need to do anything but continue to protest, gather numbers, support, and strength. Eventually, Washington will have to pay attention, even if the protest isn't at the gates of the White House. That's just my opinion.
Jesus fucking Christ, get a map. They shut down Wall Street in NYC not the Capital building. The banks aren't going to make a change..... It's going to be up to Washington.
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What do white nationalist neo-nazi groups have to do with the Occupy thugs going after kids?

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/11/...n-wall-street/
I was really replying to your first post where you were implying that the entire movement was run by a marxist terrorist group, and that was the reason that progressives endorsed it. I just didn't want to quote all that.
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So I should believe someone who just signed up to GFY, with less than a 1k posts, and no siggie, over the AP? Sure thing.

Jesus fucking Christ, get a map. They shut down Wall Street in NYC not the Capital building. The banks aren't going to make a change..... It's going to be up to Washington.
A tip of my hat to you, sir. I wasn't sure if you were smart enough to figure out that join date, post count, and a signature directly correlate with intelligence and trust, but you have!

I will go buy a map and figure out where Wall Street is in relation to Washington D.C. so that I'm able to see that a demonstration anywhere but in the Capital building is just a waste of time and will not accomplish anything.

Listen, thanks for taking time out of your night to explain these things to me. I'm better off and promise to be a better person going forward because of your generosity!
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Kids should not be allowed to cross the street accompanied by there parents as they walk to school...is that what your saying?

Who is "you all and you guys" you give reference to?

You lost me on the old ladies and pregnant women bit, to date ive never mentioned either of them any where and you cant quote me as doing so either.
Sorry about that, I was under the impression we were all making generalizations about groups of people. I just lumped you in with some other forum members. But, you're right, that was wrong of me to do so. And, I'm sure because you pointed out this obvious failure I made, you would never do such a thing either.
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I was really replying to your first post where you were implying that the entire movement was run by a marxist terrorist group, and that was the reason that progressives endorsed it. I just didn't want to quote all that.
I didn't imply the movement was being run by Marxist terrorist group, however they did pick November 17th as the date to commemorate and to pay homage to 17N. It clearly says so on the Occupy site and if not they would have went with another date to separate themselves from it and the message of anti-imperialist, anti-capitalist, pro-Marxism.

They picked that date for a reason, to send the same message as what 17N's did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolut...on_17_November

You're going to tell me its just a coincidence now right?
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I didn't imply the movement was being run by Marxist terrorist group, however they did pick November 17th as the date to commemorate and to pay homage to 17N. It clearly says so on the Occupy site and if not they would have went with another date to separate themselves from it and the message of anti-imperialist, anti-capitalist, pro-Marxism.

They picked that date for a reason, to send the same message as what 17N's did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolut...on_17_November

You're going to tell me its just a coincidence now right?
of course no proof that is why they choose it, just your delusions and paranoia seeing connections where there is none.
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of course no proof that is why they choose it, just your delusions and paranoia seeing connections where there is none.
Uh, its posted on the official Occupy website message forums and on there Twitter, no delusions and paranoia needed, they clearly said why they chose that day. Kinda sad i know more about a movement you support than you do
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Uh, its posted on the official Occupy website message forums and on there Twitter, no delusions and paranoia needed, they clearly said why they chose that day. Kinda sad i know more about a movement you support than you do
link? couldn't find anything anywhere. i assume you are lying.
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Just like the Tea Party right?

Dozens of hypodermic needles were found at the Obama-endorsed tramp camp.



http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/11/...zuccotti-park/
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link? couldn't find anything anywhere. i assume you are lying.
I do my own homework, so should you.
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How is it possible that anyone would even bother to deny that the OWS movement is a Marxist anti-captalist movement??? They loudly proclaim it all the time. Anyone who is even passingly familiar with their rhetoric knows this. I assume amoral hypocrites like Porno Jew deny this because they feel it will make the movement unpopular....... but why not let the ideas stand on their own instead of trying to deny them? If the public is really ready for revolution then they will embrace it.
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Just like the Tea Party right?

Dozens of hypodermic needles were found at the Obama-endorsed tramp camp.



http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/11/...zuccotti-park/
Hypodermic needles in a public park in New York City? I don't believe it.........
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oh you got your stupid conspiracy from glenn beck.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/blo...h-new-protest/

not surprised.
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Hypodermic needles in a public park in New York City? I don't believe it.........
Those OWS thugs, they brought drugs into NYC! Next thing you know there will be crime too.
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oh you got your stupid conspiracy from glenn beck.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/blo...h-new-protest/

not surprised.
Actually, you just did...im not a Glenn Beck fan, sorry.
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Even supporters of the OWS know they fucked themselves with this 17N shit and communist propaganda style posters.

http://occupywallst.org/article/post...nd-post-freel/

[-]epa1nter (Rutherford, NJ) 7 points 3 days ago

Agreed. The look of the poster is a direct appropriation of propaganda posters in Russia around 1917. (Go to the Museum of Modern Art to see examples, or Google "russian propaganda posters".) I don't think that taking the graphic style associated with Socialist revolution and Stalin is going to win over many supporters in this country.

I am a big supporter of OWS, (and I think the poster is beautiful, too) but I think this is inappropriate and self-defeating.


[-]itsybitsycheater (Center Valley, PA) 1 points 8 hours ago

N17 isn't non-violent. They rely on useful idiots who are ignorant of history to follow them like the pied piper. "The organization?s first known attack came in December 1975, when the CIA?s Athens station chief was shot with a .45-caliber pistol, November 17?s favorite weapon. Since then, the group has claimed responsibility for twenty-one murders, including the killings of a U.S. Navy captain, a U.S. defense attaché, a Turkish diplomat, and a British defense attaché. November 17?s initial attacks were directed at senior U.S. officials and Greek public figures, but during the 1980s the group expanded its operations to include bombings of ordinary citizens and property." Does that answer your question? Anyone who associates with this group is another useful idiot for the NWO.

[-]Bambi (Buffalo, NY) 0 points 3 days ago

NON violent yet you have army tanks on the poster? Isn't that hypercritical?

Taking down Wall Street, take the square, occupy the subways? All you are suggesting is that you want to hurt the 99% that work in offices and buildings on Wall Street, businesses surrounding the square and jamming up the subways so bad that the 99% can't get to work.

This is not a peaceful productive poster. It shows anger towards the every day worker who is out there to work to pay bills and have food on their table.
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Old 11-17-2011, 11:24 PM   #87
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Old 11-17-2011, 11:25 PM   #88
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if you think that is proof that the date was picked because of the greek terror cell you are delusional or lying or stupid. most likely all three.

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Even supporters of the OWS know they fucked themselves with this 17N shit and communist propaganda style posters.

http://occupywallst.org/article/post...nd-post-freel/

[-]epa1nter (Rutherford, NJ) 7 points 3 days ago

Agreed. The look of the poster is a direct appropriation of propaganda posters in Russia around 1917. (Go to the Museum of Modern Art to see examples, or Google "russian propaganda posters".) I don't think that taking the graphic style associated with Socialist revolution and Stalin is going to win over many supporters in this country.

I am a big supporter of OWS, (and I think the poster is beautiful, too) but I think this is inappropriate and self-defeating.


[-]itsybitsycheater (Center Valley, PA) 1 points 8 hours ago

N17 isn't non-violent. They rely on useful idiots who are ignorant of history to follow them like the pied piper. "The organization’s first known attack came in December 1975, when the CIA’s Athens station chief was shot with a .45-caliber pistol, November 17’s favorite weapon. Since then, the group has claimed responsibility for twenty-one murders, including the killings of a U.S. Navy captain, a U.S. defense attaché, a Turkish diplomat, and a British defense attaché. November 17’s initial attacks were directed at senior U.S. officials and Greek public figures, but during the 1980s the group expanded its operations to include bombings of ordinary citizens and property." Does that answer your question? Anyone who associates with this group is another useful idiot for the NWO.

[-]Bambi (Buffalo, NY) 0 points 3 days ago

NON violent yet you have army tanks on the poster? Isn't that hypercritical?

Taking down Wall Street, take the square, occupy the subways? All you are suggesting is that you want to hurt the 99% that work in offices and buildings on Wall Street, businesses surrounding the square and jamming up the subways so bad that the 99% can't get to work.

This is not a peaceful productive poster. It shows anger towards the every day worker who is out there to work to pay bills and have food on their table.

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the date was picked because it was the 2 month anniversary of the movement. if you were familiar with reality not deranged right wing news sites you would have discovered that.
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Old 11-17-2011, 11:45 PM   #90
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the date was picked because it was the 2 month anniversary of the movement. if you were familiar with reality not deranged right wing news sites you would have discovered that.
CBS, NBC and ABC are now considered right wing news sites?

Resorting to personal insults shows you have no ammunition for the argument...a common tactic among those who are loosing battles.
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NON violent yet you have army tanks on the poster? Isn't that hypercritical?

This is not a peaceful productive poster. It shows anger towards the every day worker who is out there to work to pay bills and have food on their table.
You have a serious comprehension problem...no wonder you can't understand the OWS protest movement (not that you appear to have made much of an effort).

The tanks represent the 1%, the people heading towards the tanks are the 99%.

Did you really not get that?

Look at the poster again...(Hint: Now think Tiananmen Square - get it?)

If the banks and corporate America that make up the 1% truly cared so much about the "everyday worker who is out there to work to pay bills and have food on their table", there would not be a growing movement for change.

Watch to the end...



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You have a serious comprehension problem...no wonder you can't understand the OWS protest movement (not that you appear to have made much of an effort).

The tanks represent the 1%, the people heading towards the tanks are the 99%.

Did you really not get that?

Look at the poster again...(Hint: Now think Tiananmen Square - get it?)

If the banks and corporate America that make up the 1% truly cared so much about the "everyday worker who is out there to work to pay bills and have food on their table", there would not be a growing movement for change.

Watch to the end...



For those that are not slaves to the 1%:



Peace and Love,

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OWS needs to clarify its goals, demands, and positions - SPECIFICALLY, or it will be vilified and destroyed. This was my position at the beginning, and it is only strengthened as time passes.

I'm as anti-establishment as it gets, and even I'M embarrassed by the weakness of the occupiers. Get on the same page, and rally SPECIFIC populist demands.

I'm generally unhappy so I am holding a vague sign and creating inconveniences, is not going to be a winning strategy. Sorry.
The OWS signs to "Tear down capitalism" were pretty specific.

But, I wonder if they were referring to Obama crony capitalism, or Milton Friedman free market capitalism. Is that your dilemma?
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Resorting to personal insults shows you have no ammunition for the argument...a common tactic among those who are loosing battles.
you said the greek terror cell was the reason they picked nov 17th. you wont provide a link backing that claim. you said google it. i did. there is no proof of your claims. you are just lying or delusional. pretty obvious here.
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The OWS signs to "Tear down capitalism" were pretty specific.

But, I wonder if they were referring to Obama crony capitalism, or Milton Friedman free market capitalism. Is that your dilemma?
Just keep watching FOX. As long as you're busy soaking in your tub of misinformation, the rest of the world will evolve around you.
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the occupy philly group marched to a bridge they decided needed to be fixed, sat down, and blocked traffic.
The police arrested all 24 of them.

the movement is growing
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I wonder what all that "astro-turf" money was actually used for
He is talking about the Fox News version of the tea party... not the groups that don't organize with the co-opters like AFP, FreedomWorks, Tea Party Patriots and the Tea Party Express.
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