wouldn't Tonights Girlfriend be better with .....

[Mutt]

real dudes rather than stunt cocks everybody sees on every site? great looking site and concept but think it would be more interesting and hotter to see these pornstar escorts fucking regular joes.

[Roald]

agreed. It takes away the whole idea right now.

regular Joes must be a bitch to work with though.

[Jarmusch]

Regular Joes cum in 10 minutes.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by Jarmusch

Regular Joes cum in 10 minutes.

the filming of regular joes would be much tougher but these girls go and work for VIVID and Digital Playground and work a 12 hour long day for the same exact pay they get for doing a shoot for a paysite that takes 3 hours. So if it takes twice as long to shoot scenes with regular guys so be it - he cums in 5 minutes, take a 15 minute break and shoot more.

these girls are all fucking civilians now for money - not like this would be new to them. of course the regular joes need to be tested for HIV/STD's.

[CaptainHowdy]

Ok, sure ...

[PR_Phil]

Originally Posted by Jarmusch

Regular Joes cum in 10 minutes.

not on camera they don't

[adendreams]

2 factors at play here:

Big dick porn converts much better.
Reg Joes are a joke to work with, I have tried it 3 times and all 3 were disasters. Never again.

[NaughtyVisions]

Originally Posted by adendreams

2 factors at play here:

Big dick porn converts much better.
Reg Joes are a joke to work with, I have tried it 3 times and all 3 were disasters. Never again.

Tried two different regular joes one time with an established porn star...guys couldn't stay hard. By the end of the day, one was finally managing it enough that we could shoot stuff, but the other guy was a total waste. On the flipside, I busted mine out for a POV BJ scene, and had no problems staying hard and shooting 20+ minutes of that footage. Only pov scene I've ever shot.

That being said, being far from LA, I'll most likely continue to use regular joes, but I'll probably work a select few over and over and mold them into good performers for me.

[BSleazy]

No shit. I don't think I could perform while some dude with a camera is walking around. Can't be easy.

[Far-L]

In my experience... and I am not accusing anyone in this thread either because I don't know how you work, but the reason most "average joes" have issues is because the producer/director/stunt-cock-in-waiting usually wants to ball the average joe's girl and is doing everything possible to undermine his confidence and psych him out of being able to perform.

When I was a performer it happened all the time. Dudes would say crap like "Well, new guys usually can't get it up so just so you know if you are having a tough time getting wood then I am going to have to come in and do it" Then they would sit there and do all sorts of annoying distracting stupid shit to try and make you fail... stopping and starting and playing "director", making annoyed little snorts if they couldn't "get the shot" which more often than not was just because they were shitty shooters and were just trying to create tension in hopes that I would fail. It was flat out ridiculous at times and I worked in the days before you could pop a boner pill to help. (all that was available was the needle in the dick with a shot of prolaxsin and I wasn't about to do that). That is why the male talent pool was even more limited back then.

I rarely had problems when I was shooting new guys because I shot couples and made them feel comfortable and didn't play those head trips. Simple remedy actually.

[bobby666]

never seen that

[purescotty]

Originally Posted by adendreams

Big dick porn converts much better.

Yup.

As for working with average Joes I can't really give input as I am not part of production, however I will run this by our content guy.

I am actually gathering feedback right now in regards to TG. This site has tons of untapped potential and amazing content.

We are working towards the possibility of a new tour design and analyzing what will convert the best. The concept / layout of the site is certainly different then the typical pay site and to the common porn surfer this may come across as too foreign. I also believe the fantasy (experiencing your favorite pornstar as a escort) needs to be conveyed better.

Any and all feedback is very much appreciated and welcomed. You can also hit me up on ICQ or email with any ideas you may have and input regarding how it's converting for you and what you think would help to better convert your traffic.

Good thread Mutt

[NaughtyVisions]

Originally Posted by purescotty

Yup.

As for working with average Joes I can't really give input as I am not part of production, however I will run this by our content guy.

I am actually gathering feedback right now in regards to TG. This site has tons of untapped potential and amazing content.

We are working towards the possibility of a new tour design and analyzing what will convert the best. The concept / layout of the site is certainly different then the typical pay site and to the common porn surfer this may come across as too foreign. I also believe the fantasy (experiencing your favorite pornstar as a escort) needs to be conveyed better.

Any and all feedback is very much appreciated and welcomed. You can also hit me up on ICQ or email with any ideas you may have and input regarding how it's converting for you and what you think would help to better convert your traffic.

Good thread Mutt

This was the first I had actually seen the site. I love the way it's put together, and the look of the videos (from the trailers, anyway). It's very high class production, and the presentation feels very documentary-like. I think it's a great concept and presentation. Hopefully this isn't lost on the surfer, because I feel it's nearly perfect, though I do see Mutt's point with using average Joes.

[NaughtyVisions]

Originally Posted by Far-L

In my experience... and I am not accusing anyone in this thread either because I don't know how you work, but the reason most "average joes" have issues is because the producer/director/stunt-cock-in-waiting usually wants to ball the average joe's girl and is doing everything possible to undermine his confidence and psych him out of being able to perform.

When I was a performer it happened all the time. Dudes would say crap like "Well, new guys usually can't get it up so just so you know if you are having a tough time getting wood then I am going to have to come in and do it" Then they would sit there and do all sorts of annoying distracting stupid shit to try and make you fail... stopping and starting and playing "director", making annoyed little snorts if they couldn't "get the shot" which more often than not was just because they were shitty shooters and were just trying to create tension in hopes that I would fail. It was flat out ridiculous at times and I worked in the days before you could pop a boner pill to help. (all that was available was the needle in the dick with a shot of prolaxsin and I wasn't about to do that). That is why the male talent pool was even more limited back then.

I rarely had problems when I was shooting new guys because I shot couples and made them feel comfortable and didn't play those head trips. Simple remedy actually.

I can't speak for others, and I'm not being defensive (lol), but when I was shooting what I described above, me being on camera in any capacity was not a thought until after the guys went home, and the concept brought up by my wife and the female performer. I was actually nervous about how long I would last on film. But, I never had a desire to be a "performer," so I know that in my shoots I have never done anything to sabotage the regular joes. In fact, even if I wanted the guy to move more to open up the penetration shot, or whatever else, I would actually wait until the performers would break from the scene, rather than me stopping the action and disturbing the guy's hard-on.

[Far-L]

Average Joes with popular starlets is sometimes tough because the guys are starstruck and get performance anxiety. Not everyone can function like the robots that male pornstars tend to be that couldn't give a shit about anyone in the room, the girls they are working with, the camera person, etc.

Still the trick is to make them comfortable, give everyone a chance to build some sort of attraction rather than the way most pro shoots go where it is simply - you fuck this one you fuck that one - ok- action!

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by NaughtyVisions

I can't speak for others, and I'm not being defensive (lol), but when I was shooting what I described above, me being on camera in any capacity was not a thought until after the guys went home, and the concept brought up by my wife and the female performer. I was actually nervous about how long I would last on film. But, I never had a desire to be a "performer," so I know that in my shoots I have never done anything to sabotage the regular joes. In fact, even if I wanted the guy to move more to open up the penetration shot, or whatever else, I would actually wait until the performers would break from the scene, rather than me stopping the action and disturbing the guy's hard-on.

Cool, that is exactly what I would do too under the same circumstances. Respect!

[DWB]

Wood problems, don't know how to work with the light, cum problems, and the list goes on.

In theory it's a great idea, but in reality, there is a reason you see the same guys over and over.

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by adendreams

2 factors at play here:

Big dick porn converts much better.
Reg Joes are a joke to work with, I have tried it 3 times and all 3 were disasters. Never again.

notice any familiar LA stunt cocks in X-Art's videos? none, they have figured a way to get it done, whether they are using boyfriends of the girls or doing their own casting for male talent.

[CurrentlySober]

i cant afford a real girlfriend... Tonight, or any night...

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by Mutt

real dudes rather than stunt cocks everybody sees on every site? great looking site and concept but think it would be more interesting and hotter to see these pornstar escorts fucking regular joes.

Most guys can not perform under pressure and then with cameras lights and so on.

I think there is a site that shows just this, Guys trying out to be porn stars, kinda funny.
Oh and most guys last like 2 minutes... Guess could put on clips 4 sale, lol.

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by Mutt

notice any familiar LA stunt cocks in X-Art's videos? none, they have figured a way to get it done, whether they are using boyfriends of the girls or doing their own casting for male talent.

Yep I assume Boyfriends. Or they all live close and practice, lol.

Some of these girls escort for money because they can get almost the same amount of money and no one knows about it. The videos isn't out there for Millions to see. Oh they can also do several "private shoots" in a day instead of just one.

Most, (unless offered more money) use a condom.
I know sluts that take home a different guy every night from the bar, and no one cares about a "test" HA.

There are pro's and con's to most everything.
Honestly I barely even notice they Male talent, I only see a huge cock in dat pussy, LOL.

Anyway just some different views to think about!

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Yep I assume Boyfriends. Or they all live close and practice, lol.

Some of these girls escort for money because they can get almost the same amount of money and no one knows about it. The videos isn't out there for Millions to see. Oh they can also do several "private shoots" in a day instead of just one.

Most, (unless offered more money) use a condom.
I know sluts that take home a different guy every night from the bar, and no one cares about a "test" HA.

There are pro's and con's to most everything.
Honestly I barely even notice they Male talent, I only see a huge cock in dat pussy, LOL.

Anyway just some different views to think about!

you know your sluts PM!

[ezgirl]

I used to have a regular guy, he was a swinger. Great shoot, he last about three years then got high blood pressure and was having trouble getting wood. Waaaay too many disasters with non-porn guys, with that one exception, but the downside is the porn guys all look like porn guys; excessive tatts, shaved heads, the just-got-out-of-prison look, shaved dick (I really, really hate that), limited wardrobe, and they can't cum without jerking it. Wow, just what a customer wants to look at, a guy jerking himself off while a hot chick simply waits. It also breaks the mood and action. But, at least they can get wood on command and hold off their pop until I need it. I gotta tell you that shaved balls and dick makes the guy look like he belongs on a gay site, it is not a stud look. But husbands, boyfriends and recruited guys are all more grief than they are worth. Plus, they get cold feet and flake. When guys email wanting to "try-out" I tell them to stop by with a girl for a demo, but they never show up. They are expecting me to supply them with a girl for their try-out. Gee, wouldn't that be fun?

[dgraves]

it's amazing how many guys think they would make good stunt cocks until they get under the lights and in front of the camera.

from what i hear, most stunt cocks are just super horny dudes that will fuck guys or girls.

i have to say that i prefer watching amateurs over pros though.

with my stuff, i get guys that pop in seconds and guys that take 5-10 minutes to pop. it's like a box of chocolates!

[Roald]

Originally Posted by ezgirl

......but the downside is the porn guys all look like porn guys; excessive tatts, shaved heads, the just-got-out-of-prison look, shaved dick (I really, really hate that), limited wardrobe, and they can't cum without jerking it. Wow, just what a customer wants to look at, a guy jerking himself off while a hot chick simply waits. .....

I really cant stand when a guy has to jerk himself to cum. Ruins the scene imo. Also the prison look annoys me.

[dgraves]

just checked that site out and it looks pretty cool. looks like it's shot on a DSLR.

[Jakez]

Originally Posted by Far-L

In my experience... and I am not accusing anyone in this thread either because I don't know how you work, but the reason most "average joes" have issues is because the producer/director/stunt-cock-in-waiting usually wants to ball the average joe's girl and is doing everything possible to undermine his confidence and psych him out of being able to perform.

When I was a performer it happened all the time. Dudes would say crap like "Well, new guys usually can't get it up so just so you know if you are having a tough time getting wood then I am going to have to come in and do it" Then they would sit there and do all sorts of annoying distracting stupid shit to try and make you fail... stopping and starting and playing "director", making annoyed little snorts if they couldn't "get the shot" which more often than not was just because they were shitty shooters and were just trying to create tension in hopes that I would fail. It was flat out ridiculous at times and I worked in the days before you could pop a boner pill to help. (all that was available was the needle in the dick with a shot of prolaxsin and I wasn't about to do that). That is why the male talent pool was even more limited back then.

I rarely had problems when I was shooting new guys because I shot couples and made them feel comfortable and didn't play those head trips. Simple remedy actually.

Makes sense. That's fucked up.

[Robbie]

I shoot amateur "regular joe" guys with Claudia Marie 90% of the time. Honestly...they do just as good a job as the "pro" guys for us and they don't cost anything.

[anexsia]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I shoot amateur "regular joe" guys with Claudia Marie 90% of the time. Honestly...they do just as good a job as the "pro" guys for us and they don't cost anything.

That shows that you know how to deal with people, seems to me that separates the pros from the amateur shooters. Most guys can last a lot longer if they're calm and their anxiety is taken away.

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by adendreams

2 factors at play here:

Big dick porn converts much better.
Reg Joes are a joke to work with, I have tried it 3 times and all 3 were disasters. Never again.

I am female, and even I don't care to see average small underperforming cock in a porn scene. yuck.

y'all are selling to men with a fantasy on this one, for sure.

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I shoot amateur "regular joe" guys with Claudia Marie 90% of the time. Honestly...they do just as good a job as the "pro" guys for us and they don't cost anything.

Yeah but any man who would take on allllll that woman, has to be ready for a lot more than just being on camera. Those guys are already confident if they get with the lovely CM.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by cherrylula

Yeah but any man who would take on allllll that woman, has to be ready for a lot more than just being on camera. Those guys are already confident if they get with the lovely CM.

I wouldn't say they are "confident". More like extremely excited. And I'm real easy to work with as the director. I make sure everybody is having fun and laughing and no pressure.

Having been on set with a lot of other directors...I have to say that a lot of them are not easy to work with. And some of them actually seemed to enjoy fucking with the male talent and making snide remarks designed to cause them to LOSE wood!

I never have understood that. Why deliberately try to screw up your own scene? But some of them do. Not sure if they even do it consciously or are aware that they do it.

But anyway, I've never had that kind of problem. It's always fun and easy to work with "pro" talent too. But as I said...we've shot the vast majority of our content with guys doing this for the first time.

And when we do shoot with Pro talent guys, I always write the script to acknowledge that and have CM act all "starstruck" at getting to meet them. lol

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by Robbie

And some of them actually seemed to enjoy fucking with the male talent and making snide remarks designed to cause them to LOSE wood!

I never have understood that. Why deliberately try to screw up your own scene? But some of them do. Not sure if they even do it consciously or are aware that they do it.

True story - Friend of mine in the UK - Legit talent - Been tested EVERY MONTH for his entire 8 = Year career, has shot multiple times for most UK professional producers etc...

Some guy (Producer) gets a bee in his bonnet, and decides he doesn't like him, and cancels a shoot on him, at very short notice... No real reason given...

Talent does NOT get his arse in his hands, nor run to ANY forum, nor twitter nor do anything about it...

He puts it down to 'Cant please all the people, all the time' and moves on...

Same producer has booked a girl a few months later, and location etc etc... Male talent does not show up ! Producer tries a few other people - Either they are working elsewhere, or he cant get an answer etc... So he asks the girl... 'Anyone YOU can recommend? Anyone YOU want to work with?'

She replies [YES - THE GUY I'M POSTING ABOUT] and reluctantly, producer calls him, and he turns up...

Fresh, clean, tested, ready to go, with ZERO ATTITUDE etc...

Gets going, all is well. Good chemistry. good wood good angles etc... FAIR PLAY...

Then the 'Producer' starts saying shit to him, like 'Imagine Her Pussy is full of razor balades' and Imagine your fucking a nettle patch' and shit like that... He doesn't manage to completely put him, off but he tries his best, and the outcome is that what could have been a very hot scene... Is a bit 'lacklustre'

'Producer then delivers 'Poor' scene to boss, and blames the performer...

In other words, he was more interested in trying to fuck with the male talents rep, than deliver a great scene as he had been paid to do...

(CLIFF NOTES?) Yes Robbie - You are correct - It HAPPENS !

[V_RocKs]

1/20th the way to 30,000 land

[JustDaveXxx]

My close friend shoots that site. I think he does a pretty bad ass job shooting it.


Shooting new guys is a no-win situation. Getting new guys to follow a scripted situation will kill the sex part.


I have experience shooting new guys. Out of 80 guys, 10 were able to do it and out of the 10 that could, I would only use one of them.


These are your choices:

New guys lame and uncompleted sex scenes-But very real

OR

Proven guys good sex-But less real because you have seen the guys before.


These are tough decisions when shooting a sight like this.



Robbie:Cladia is an exceptional woman that can bring any man to start and finish, Other porn stars are no where near that nice. The girls today will absolutely not help any man when it comes to getting it up.


I know 1st hand the amateur production side and the high end Pro production side of this business, Tonights Girlfriend is being shot the very best possible way.



To me uploading lame bad or uncompleted sex scenes is not an option.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

The girls today will absolutely not help any man when it comes to getting it up.

Yes, I have seen that too. The director stops the action for a second to change lighting or some other task...and the female talent INSTANTLY shuts down and starts texting or something totally leaving the guy standing there naked with his cock in his hand.

What the girl SHOULD be doing is keep going even when the camera isn't rolling. Have some passion. But unfortunately most of those girls aren't really into having sex. And in my opinion it shows even when they are "on".

If more women in porn were actually the incredible sexual beings that they pretend to be their scenes would be even hotter.

[purescotty]

Also something to keep in mind, these scenes are 50 - 80+ minutes in length. Average joes would be even more brutal to work with in such long scenes.

[LeRoy]

The girls today will absolutely not help any man when it comes to getting it up.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by purescotty

Also something to keep in mind, these scenes are 50 - 80+ minutes in length. Average joes would be even more brutal to work with in such long scenes.

A single scene? I'm assuming there is lots of footage of the buildup, storyline, etc.?

50 to 80 minutes is a bit long in my humble opinion. Seems like a viewer would lose interest with his cock in his hand. But that's just my opinion.
Overall, I like the site and have since you guys rolled it out.

[purescotty]

Originally Posted by Robbie

A single scene? I'm assuming there is lots of footage of the buildup, storyline, etc.?

50 to 80 minutes is a bit long in my humble opinion. Seems like a viewer would lose interest with his cock in his hand. But that's just my opinion.
Overall, I like the site and have since you guys rolled it out.

Example, the recent Jessica Jaymes update, 60 min scene, 45mins is sex and action. Have to figure if you actually paid for a hour of a girls time how would it go down? ;)

Possible they come back later to jack off to the second half, something to look forward to haha.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by purescotty

Have to figure if you actually paid for a hour of a girls time how would it go down? ;)

Let met think...I'd open the door. 5 minutes of small talk. 5 minutes getting my dick sucked. 5 minutes of me fucking. 3 minutes basking in afterglow. 5 minutes she gets dressed. And she's gone. lol

Now in my fantasy...I'd have her come in, strip for me, do a lap dance for me, suck my cock, then I'd pound her pussy for 15 minutes, then drill that ass out for 15 minutes then a nice ATM cumshot.
And that's the way I'd shoot it as a scene too.

[Matyko]

Originally Posted by Far-L

In my experience... and I am not accusing anyone in this thread either because I don't know how you work, but the reason most "average joes" have issues is because the producer/director/stunt-cock-in-waiting usually wants to ball the average joe's girl and is doing everything possible to undermine his confidence and psych him out of being able to perform.

When I was a performer it happened all the time. Dudes would say crap like "Well, new guys usually can't get it up so just so you know if you are having a tough time getting wood then I am going to have to come in and do it" Then they would sit there and do all sorts of annoying distracting stupid shit to try and make you fail... stopping and starting and playing "director", making annoyed little snorts if they couldn't "get the shot" which more often than not was just because they were shitty shooters and were just trying to create tension in hopes that I would fail. It was flat out ridiculous at times and I worked in the days before you could pop a boner pill to help. (all that was available was the needle in the dick with a shot of prolaxsin and I wasn't about to do that). That is why the male talent pool was even more limited back then.

I rarely had problems when I was shooting new guys because I shot couples and made them feel comfortable and didn't play those head trips. Simple remedy actually.

Respect!

[JustDaveXxx]

Originally Posted by Robbie

A single scene? I'm assuming there is lots of footage of the buildup, storyline, etc.?

50 to 80 minutes is a bit long in my humble opinion. Seems like a viewer would lose interest with his cock in his hand. But that's just my opinion.
Overall, I like the site and have since you guys rolled it out.

Shit!! I run a hard day. Depending on the script its an 8-10 hours per day. Make up, pretty girls, story dialog, Storyboard stills, hardcore stills, then I shoot the sex. The sex is the easiest part. Shooting the story/Fantasy is the most time consuming part.

I could not even imagine using an amateur or a Non-Vetran guy. The guys I use are super solid. As a result of them being solid and never wasting my time, their rate is very high (Which I pay with a smile). At the end of the day paying their rate is way better than paying $100+ and hour for location while waiting for the wood fairy.(Who may never come)

New guys?? Never again!! There are a few guys out there that are batting 80%. I can't afford 80%, I need 100% all of the time. I could not imaging having a custom set built, 6 hours into the shoot and all of the stills and story dialog done and then the guy fails or can't finish or gets frustrated and walks off. I would flip!!

That has happen to a few people I know. Very expensive day and the lesson of the day is, If its an important shoot, use a veteran male. I rather pay the extra on the guy than the extra on a failed shoot.

[Robbie]

Yeah Dave, I can see that is exactly the position that you and many others are in .
It has it's pros and cons.

And it leaves a door open for me because the most expensive thing is usually the female talent (unless you're doing a real crazy location setup), and since I've always got her, that doesn't come into play for me.

Therefore I'm able to roll the dice and use amateur guys. And like I said earlier...we've had great success with them. Never lost a scene.

And it makes our content a bit fresher because the amateur guys are really having sex. They are excited and take direction really well from me. So I end up with some real passion.

And since our scripts and setups are always comedy based the dialogue is always "good", even when it's "bad"

But yeah...for someone in your position, you pretty much have no choice but to use your "go to" guys that you can depend on.
You have to have a consistent dependable product.

My stuff can be a little more "catch as catch can" heh-heh

[ArsewithClass]

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

New guys?? Never again!! There are a few guys out there that are batting 80%. I can't afford 80%, I need 100% all of the time. I could not imaging having a custom set built, 6 hours into the shoot and all of the stills and story dialog done and then the guy fails or can't finish or gets frustrated and walks off. I would flip!!

I've been there with new male models unable to do the job, the cum shot... now, I prefer to use normal guys at parties & married guys just wanting to enjoy a good fuck & shoot a load... Im in the same position as Robbie though, Natalie & I can afford to give our escort clients a discounted rate, but come out with great porn, as Natalie puts the guys in the place we need them for film, doggy, cowgirl, oral etc etc

Originally Posted by Robbie

Yeah Dave, I can see that is exactly the position that you and many others are in .
It has it's pros and cons.

And it leaves a door open for me because the most expensive thing is usually the female talent (unless you're doing a real crazy location setup), and since I've always got her, that doesn't come into play for me.

Indeed Robbie, were in the same place & can get manage to get this real life porn in the situation we are.

Some of the guys in our parties come from local adultfriendfinder, some are from escort jobs, wanting services & we give a discount... these guys love a good cumshot & enjoy shooting their load over Natalie's face or down her throat

It makes worthy adult footage for our members to enjoy watching slightly different content from the same model regulary

[Radical Bucks]

Originally Posted by Mutt

notice any familiar LA stunt cocks in X-Art's videos? none, they have figured a way to get it done, whether they are using boyfriends of the girls or doing their own casting for male talent.

Wrong! Look at x-art a little closer, mutt. He uses a guy named Mr X over and over with 90% of the models he shoots on x-art. STUNT COCK for x-art is Mr X

[Roald]

Originally Posted by Radical Bucks

Wrong! Look at x-art a little closer, mutt. He uses a guy named Mr X over and over with 90% of the models he shoots on x-art. STUNT COCK for x-art is Mr X

The amazing Mr X!!!!

[SB_Content]

Glad you guys are digging the site.

[SB_Content]

Think I'll pass on using regular joes.

[JustDaveXxx]

Originally Posted by SB_Content

Think I'll pass on using regular joes.

Too funny!!!


If you want to ask question or make suggestions on how you think tonights Girlfriend should be shot, this is the guy you need to forward your questions too.



I personally think its great as is.