SOPA would be a disaster for the adult industry

[Splum]

You could virtually shut down your competition, and expect the same thing to be done to you.

[SmutHammer]

ummm wrong.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

ummm wrong.

If you have any image/text/brand remotely similar to your competitor all you need is a good lawyer to convince some po-dunk un-technology savvy judge to grant your request to shut off google links, block any advertiser payments. Dont be naive SOPA IS BAD FOR THE INTERNET.

[Operator]

It's like any other vague law, beyond reproach

[2intense]

you OK ?

[dynastoned]

sopa and pipa are a big pile of dog shit if you ask me.

[adendreams]

SOPA HAS to be stopped.. Ed youre my bro but youre on the wrong side of this one bud

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Splum

If you have any image/text/brand remotely similar to your competitor all you need is a good lawyer to convince some po-dunk un-technology savvy judge to grant your request to shut off google links, block any advertiser payments. Dont be naive SOPA IS BAD FOR THE INTERNET.

You don't even need a judge. That's the whole fucking point. You just complain and 5 days later the site is nuked.

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by Splum

If you have any image/text/brand remotely similar to your competitor all you need is a good lawyer to convince some po-dunk un-technology savvy judge to grant your request to shut off google links, block any advertiser payments. Dont be naive SOPA IS BAD FOR THE INTERNET.

What part of "sites primarily devoted to piracy" don't you understand?

Calm down.

The government isn't sending men in black helicopters to shut down your sites or drown your kittens.
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[Splum]

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

What part of "sites primarily devoted to piracy" don't you understand? Calm down. The government isn't sending men in black helicopters to shut down your sites or drown your kittens..

This law will be abused just as DMCA was, on both sides of the piracy issue, dont be naive.

[Fletch XXX]

http://m.gfy.com/showthread.php?&t=1053947

Have any of you blacked out any of your sites?

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

What part of "sites primarily devoted to piracy" don't you understand?

Calm down.

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not saying there are no flaws, but piracy is a worse problem

[Splum]

Do you people realize that if these laws pass it will allow your ISP to continually do "deep packet inspection" on your connection at all times?

That means they can essentially and legally keep track of everything that you do and give that data to whomever is authorize by the law to have it... aka the US government.

And all this WITHOUT A COURT ORDER.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

not saying there are no flaws, but piracy out weighs them all!

Piracy outweighs Privacy?

Seriously did you just imply that?

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Splum

If you have any image/text/brand remotely similar to your competitor all you need is a good lawyer to convince some po-dunk un-technology savvy judge to grant your request to shut off google links, block any advertiser payments. Dont be naive SOPA IS BAD FOR THE INTERNET.

um wrong.

[DamianJ]

There really is no point trying to explain to Ed why he is horribly wrong. He is one of those kind of guys that reads the headline and thinks it's true. I imagine he watches Fox News and thinks it is unbiased.

He probably thinks the Patriot Act is about being patriotic too. Bless.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

um wrong.

what an erudite counterpoint.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

um wrong.

PIPA and SOPA are one in the same, they will be in the end. Its a common political tactic to create two laws side by side and merge them in a compromise to get enough votes to get them to pass. l2politics plz.

[Splum]

Do you people realize that FORUMS such as this, and any place that a user can submit data to a website and be shown publicly can be subject to SOPA/PIPA action?

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by Splum

Piracy outweighs Privacy?

Seriously did you just imply that?

Privacy does not mean to steal without repercussions

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

Privacy does not mean to steal without repercussions

So sue them Ed wtf? Go to court and let them defend themselves against your accusations. What the hell is wrong with you people?

[SmutHammer]

your right, I should sue 10 thousand people.....

[Splum]

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by Splum

So sue them Ed wtf? Go to court and let them defend themselves against your accusations. What the hell is wrong with you people?

It costs money to sue someone and it costs rather more to sue dozens (if not hundreds) of someones.

Takes forever too.
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[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by Splum

Do you people realize that FORUMS such as this, and any place that a user can submit data to a website and be shown publicly can be subject to SOPA/PIPA action?

Anyone smart enough to fart without shitting his pants can see the difference between this and a forum devoted to file sharing.

Methinks you're reaching pretty far now.

.

[Operator]

Please adopt a longcat

[Splum]

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

It costs money to sue someone and it costs rather more to sue dozens (if not hundreds) of someones. Takes forever too..

Is that the best counter argument you have for implementing a draconian law that takes away the right to due process and allows private companies to analyze ALL of your packet data?

[CaptainHowdy]

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Seriously? It's that clean cut? Hey, I don't mean to jump you, but you're ignorant, naive, or just hypocritical. You, me, or anyone on this forum would not be here if it weren't for piracy.

They first web based pay sites content, was all stolen from BBS/Newsgroups. I know because back in 96 I lived in the Valley and would head to the Chatsworth and pitch ideas on how they need to bring their content online, only to be laughed at because this Internet thing was just a fade and they weren't interested because they were afraid it would takeaway from video sales. That's a fact.

Another fact is more then a few very wealthy people/companies in this very forum got there start and earned their first dollar in this business harvesting images BBS/NG in niche categories and then selling them to pay site owners. All the images/content were stolen as again, I know, I was there.

Piracy is what exploded internet porn. NOT GFY, vivid, Huster, AVN, Playboy etc. They were actually late comers to the game as these pirated content pay sites start making enormous amounts of money as they later turned legitimate.

So again, when I read this crybaby content theft shit on this adult/porn forum, all you can do is shake your head and laugh.

Your totally right. wow, porn would have never been on the net without piracy! it doesn't matter if thats how things started, fact is nobody has the right to steal my content or anybody elses! Theives should be shut down and punished, yes it is that simple. and any website owner should be held responsible for any content on their website. user uploads should all have to be screened and approved!

[Paul]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Seriously? It's that clean cut? Hey, I don't mean to jump you, but you're ignorant, naive, or just hypocritical. You, me, or anyone on this forum would not be here if it weren't for piracy.

They first web based pay sites content, was all stolen from BBS/Newsgroups. I know because back in 96 I lived in the Valley and would head to the Chatsworth and pitch ideas on how they need to bring their content online, only to be laughed at because this Internet thing was just a fade and they weren't interested because they were afraid it would takeaway from video sales. That's a fact.

Another fact is more then a few very wealthy people/companies in this very forum got there start and earned their first dollar in this business harvesting images BBS/NG in niche categories and then selling them to pay site owners. All the images/content were stolen as again, I know, I was there.

Piracy is what exploded internet porn. NOT GFY, vivid, Huster, AVN, Playboy etc. They were actually late comers to the game as these pirated content pay sites start making enormous amounts of money as they later turned legitimate.

So again, when I read this crybaby content theft shit on this adult/porn forum, all you can do is shake your head and laugh.

Fantastic post!

[Jel]

Originally Posted by Splum

Do you people realize that FORUMS such as this, and any place that a user can submit data to a website and be shown publicly can be subject to SOPA/PIPA action?

Oh noes! How will we survive?

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

Your totally right. wow, porn would have never been on the net without piracy! it doesn't matter if thats how things started, fact is nobody has the right to steal my content or anybody elses! Theives should be shut down and punished, yes it is that simple. and any website owner should be held responsible for any content on their website. user uploads should all have to be screened and approved!

And you have tools to help you shut down and punish pirates and seek financial restitution from them right now, why do you have to restrict the rights and invade the privacy of millions of innocent people?

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by Splum

And you have tools to help you shut down and punish pirates and seek financial restitution from them right now, why do you have to restrict the rights and invade the privacy of millions of innocent people?

tools? dmca? ha, that's a joke! omg I gotta take something stolen off my website....
because I produce my own content doesn't mean I should have to police it too.
There needs to be something to make people think twice about piracy.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

because I produce my own content doesn't mean I should have to police it too.

Yes you do have to police your own content. You choose to peddle your wares online unprotected.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

That's "your" interpretation of the law. The law clearly states, the "government" has the right to shut down any site they "think" could be a form of piracy. It isn't a law, but a manipulation by lobbyists paid by companies to control the public.

Here is what I don't understand, especially for US citizens.

They passed the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 a few weeks ago, which gives the US government power to arrest US citizens, anywhere in the world, and hold them indefinitely without charge or a trial. There is no due process. You're fucked. But people say, well, if you're not a terrorist you have nothing to worry about.

Yet Americans, nor the mega media giants complained.

However, you pass a law that can give them the right to shut your website down, and everyone is having conniptions over it, as if it's the end of the world. Yet people say, if you're not a pirate, you don't have anything to worry about.

Where was the Google blackout when the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 was passed? Where were all the Americans freaking out and posting shit on every website they can post on? Where was the corporate media on this?

People / corporations have their priorities WAY fucking backwards.

I hope you all get detained forever but get to keep your websites.

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by Splum

Yes you do have to police your own content. You choose to peddle your wares online unprotected.

hmmm, I don't have to police my car, If law enforcement seen someone breaking into it they would arrest and press charges on the person. We need the internet policed, and I'de be happy to pay taxes for that.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

hmmm, I don't have to police my car, If law enforcement seen someone breaking into it they would arrest and press charges on the person. We need the internet policed, and I'de be happy to pay taxes for that.

The car thief would still be allowed to prove his innocence, this law takes away that right.

[gleem]

Originally Posted by DWB

Here is what I don't understand, especially for US citizens.

They passed the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 a few weeks ago, which gives the US government power to arrest US citizens, anywhere in the world, and hold them indefinitely without charge or a trial. There is no due process. You're fucked. But people say, well, if you're not a terrorist you have nothing to worry about.

Yet Americans, nor the mega media giants complained.

However, you pass a law that can give them the right to shut your website down, and everyone is having conniptions over it, as if it's the end of the world. Yet people say, if you're not a pirate, you don't have anything to worry about.

Where was the Google blackout when the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 was passed? Where were all the Americans freaking out and posting shit on every website they can post on? Where was the corporate media on this?

People / corporations have their priorities WAY fucking backwards.

I hope you all get detained forever but get to keep your websites.

well said, pass a law that might throw yoru fellow citizens in jail with no due process or Habeas corpus, who cares... take away my warez, lolcats, and illegal tube sites.. civil war.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by DWB

Yet Americans, nor the mega media giants complained. People / corporations have their priorities WAY fucking backwards. I hope you all get detained forever but get to keep your websites.

Do not confuse the American people with "corporations".

Corporations BOUGHT the SOPA/PIPA acts, bought and paid for to protect THEIR interests at the cost of private citizens privacy.

Corporations dont give a fuck about the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012, yes Americans are outraged but we have BEEN outraged with our government for a long time. All it takes is a spark and this country will be in revolution.

Americans despise the very thing that corporations are doing by paying off politicians to create laws that restrict our freedoms and invade our privacy.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Splum

The car thief would still be allowed to prove his innocence, this law takes away that right.

But if he stole the car, he is not innocent. There is nothing to prove, other then the car thief trying to lie his way out of the situation.

[Operator]

The internet community at large is at risk.
network neutrality, censorship
this is it.

& Why did it go dark in here
They potentially might ask.
I have.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by DWB

But if he stole the car, he is not innocent. There is nothing to prove, other then the car thief trying to lie his way out of the situation.

So ONE LAW should be judge, jury and hangman?

Allow the process of innocent until proven guilty in a court of law to work.

[dynastoned]

Originally Posted by DWB

Here is what I don't understand, especially for US citizens.

They passed the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 a few weeks ago, which gives the US government power to arrest US citizens, anywhere in the world, and hold them indefinitely without charge or a trial. There is no due process. You're fucked. But people say, well, if you're not a terrorist you have nothing to worry about.

Yet Americans, nor the mega media giants complained.

However, you pass a law that can give them the right to shut your website down, and everyone is having conniptions over it, as if it's the end of the world. Yet people say, if you're not a pirate, you don't have anything to worry about.

Where was the Google blackout when the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 was passed? Where were all the Americans freaking out and posting shit on every website they can post on? Where was the corporate media on this?

People / corporations have their priorities WAY fucking backwards.

I hope you all get detained forever but get to keep your websites.

but bro you're a kook and a conspiracy theorist if you mention anything relating to your government having too much power in this country. because after all our government is our friend they wouldn't do anything to harm us. you'd have to be unamerican to think otherwise.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Splum

Do you people realize that if these laws pass it will allow your ISP to continually do "deep packet inspection" on your connection at all times?

That means they can essentially and legally keep track of everything that you do and give that data to whomever is authorize by the law to have it... aka the US government.

And all this WITHOUT A COURT ORDER.

ISP's could 'choose' to do this now if they felt like it. However, most prefer to play Sgt. Schultz from Hogan's Heros. There is nothing to prevent an ISP from running scans on your websites/files/domains to see if you are running anything illegal and terminate you accordingly.

[ShowMe69]

Vote No .....

Go here and express that to your Senator..

http://americancensorship.org/

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

ISP's could 'choose' to do this now if they felt like it. However, most prefer to play Sgt. Schultz from Hogan's Heros. There is nothing to prevent an ISP from running scans on your websites/files/domains to see if you are running anything illegal and terminate you accordingly.

Thats right but termination is not prison time.

If SOPA/PIPA pass corporations will PAY ISPS TO DEEP ANALYZE PACKETS searching for PIRATES, legally they CANT DO THAT NOW.

Both ISPs and Content Corporations are licking their chops at this law.

[porno jew]

because outside of prison planet and ron paul forums people realize that is extremely doubtful that law will be used to grab joe and jane sixpack off the street like is implied by people who worry about that bill. the hysteria about that is conspiracy kook hysteria.

Originally Posted by DWB

Here is what I don't understand, especially for US citizens.

They passed the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 a few weeks ago, which gives the US government power to arrest US citizens, anywhere in the world, and hold them indefinitely without charge or a trial. There is no due process. You're fucked. But people say, well, if you're not a terrorist you have nothing to worry about.

Yet Americans, nor the mega media giants complained.

However, you pass a law that can give them the right to shut your website down, and everyone is having conniptions over it, as if it's the end of the world. Yet people say, if you're not a pirate, you don't have anything to worry about.

Where was the Google blackout when the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 was passed? Where were all the Americans freaking out and posting shit on every website they can post on? Where was the corporate media on this?

People / corporations have their priorities WAY fucking backwards.

I hope you all get detained forever but get to keep your websites.

[V_RocKs]

Only if your competition was a celebrity site using your photos

[V_RocKs]

50 SOPA reactions

[pimpmaster9000]

Am I wrong in assuming the following:

If I was to call the police and falsely complain that my neighbor just shot his wife and 5 children, and the police rush over and find out this is not true, I would be in a world of legal trouble?

So does not the same stand true for abuse of any law? You certainly cant file an anonymous SOPA complaint, you have to stand with your name and company behind it. Will not filing a false complaint make you legally responsible?

I don't understand the fear of false/bogus accusations here? Is there something I am missing?