Are existing laws enough to stop piracy?

[Paul Markham]

http://business.avn.com/articles/leg...gn=top_story_1

It may actually be the case that the underlying intent behind anti-piracy bills SOPA and PROTECT IP was to fill in gaps presented by Morrison, and that their ill-fated reception has prompted the Justice Department to force an ultimate resolution on the limitations of U.S. law in copyright infringement cases of this magnitude, triggering another inevitable look at Morrison.

Discuss. While we go shopping.

[EukerVoorn]

If these laws finally get enforced on the web, yes they are enough. I studied the Dutch copyright laws and they really don't make any exceptions for the internet. It's illegal to copy, store, hold, duplicate and distribute materials without explicit permission of owner, period.

[B.Barnato]

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[candyflip]

So long as one computer can connect to any other computer, there will be piracy online.

How you gonna deal with it?

[Vendzilla]

Dear Paul, how many times are you going to ask this question?

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Dear Paul, how many times are you going to ask this question?

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

end of thread.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by u-Bob

end of thread.

Yep, end of thread.

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[TheLegacy]

Even if you catch it - try enforcing it. Letters and threats mean nothing when it comes from half way around the world. Hosting companies don't care - legal system doesn't care about adult content being stolen to enforce it and certainly the person taking it will likely find any letter either in their spam folder then trash.

[Barefootsies]

The problem is not that we need more 'laws' little lady.

The problem is enforcement.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

If these laws finally get enforced on the web

The rest is pointless. The problem is reaching across borders to get to people.

Originally Posted by candyflip

So long as one computer can connect to any other computer, there will be piracy online.

How you gonna deal with it?

Yes and so long as people have been able to write there's been piracy. Bringing down to where a person like Kim Dotcom can make millions a month out of it is the aim. Piracy used to be a cottage industry. Now it's bigger than porn.

This isn't going to help porn, we cut our throats deciding giving it away was the way to sell it. This is about industries that don't.

[brassmonkey]

no not if they live in a country like russia

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by EukerVoorn

If these laws finally get enforced on the web, yes they are enough. I studied the Dutch copyright laws and they really don't make any exceptions for the internet. It's illegal to copy, store, hold, duplicate and distribute materials without explicit permission of owner, period.

bullshit

dutch copyright laws have a fair use /fair dealing clause too

[candyflip]

I'm really curious about this.

If you're retired, why do you care? Seriously?

[halfpint]

nope we need lots and lots of more laws to stop all the thievery and skullduggery on the interwebs.

[The Porn Nerd]

No no no no no no no no.......

















.....no.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Dear Paul, how many times are you going to ask this question?

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Sorry, how can you take down a post put up by someone else?

The reason for this is a reply to all those, including you I believe, who were saying the case against MU proves SOPA isn't needed. Well it seems you might be wrong again. New laws are required, to stop companies buying pop ups on piracy sites.

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Laws will never stop anything and should never be put into place

If you want to stop piracy, there are many things you can do. The free market comes up with ways to prevent many things

About the dumbest post in the thread. Go and think it through. I'll be back in the morning.

[bronco67]

The only thing that can stop internet piracy is the development of morality and ethics in human beings. So the answer is a big NO.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Criminal Penalties need to be specified and agreed to in an amended and ratified new Berne Convention on Copyright. The problem is international in nature and needs to be addressed by an international treaty agreement.

No nation's laws are enforceable outside of its territory -- that is why the USA is going to try to extradite kimdotcom from New Zealand.

No sovereign nation's laws are enforceable in some other nation -- what is so difficult to understand about that?

USA Law is not binding in Russia -- Russian Law is.
Chinese Law is not binding in France -- French Law is.
etc, ad infinitum.

Signed international treaties are enforcible by their signatories -- that is International Law 101.

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Ok then when will the "laws" stop?

What if they came out with a law making porn illegal? I dont think many people here would like that

yeah...they did that already. It was called the Child Online Protection Act, or COPA. It essentially banned any website from broadcasting content unsuitable for a child. Bill Clinton signed it in 98. The federal courts killed it, because the law could not pass the strict scrutiny test the courts apply to free speech cases.

Playboy & Hustler also went through litigation in the 1970's that set legal precedents which settled the matter, that porn is protected by the first amendment.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Sorry, how can you take down a post put up by someone else?

The reason for this is a reply to all those, including you I believe, who were saying the case against MU proves SOPA isn't needed. Well it seems you might be wrong again. New laws are required, to stop companies buying pop ups on piracy sites.

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Why start thread after thread stating the same thing?

I don't buy popups from anymore, why would I do that?

The only proof of anything is you need help

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by TheLegacy

Even if you catch it - try enforcing it. Letters and threats mean nothing when it comes from half way around the world. Hosting companies don't care - legal system doesn't care about adult content being stolen to enforce it and certainly the person taking it will likely find any letter either in their spam folder then trash.

That's why the enforcement part has to be based in the country where the law is passed. The US can enforce it in the US on companies supporting piracy, from VISA to an affiliate linking to a piracy site. Definitely including companies like Paypal and advertisers on piracy sites.

The hosting bill alone of MU is a good guide to how much these companies need to keep the the company afloat, add the affiliates, webmasters and other bills then you see the flow of money is the key to reducing piracy. Existing laws have a problem with that enforcement, so new laws are required.

Will it stop piracy? No way, but when piracy become a business that allows Kim Dotcom to make a fortune, it needs to be taken down. Take it down now or when it's even bigger? That's the choices, leaving a parasite to just get bigger, isn't an option.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Why start thread after thread stating the same thing?

I don't buy popups from anymore, why would I do that?

The only proof of anything is you need help

Not anymore you don't. They fired you.

I have proof of your lying about removing an affiliates link.

This thread is about all the people claiming SOPA wasn't needed and the MU case proved that. Seems they might be wrong.

I suggest you give it up and go find a new job.

[BladeZ]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Ok then when will the "laws" stop?

What if they came out with a law making porn illegal? I dont think many people here would like that

A very good point

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by joshgirls

yeah...they did that already. It was called the Child Online Protection Act, or COPA. It essentially banned any website from broadcasting content unsuitable for a child. Bill Clinton signed it in 98. The federal courts killed it, because the law could not pass the strict scrutiny test the courts apply to free speech cases.

Playboy & Hustler also went through litigation in the 1970's that set legal precedents which settled the matter, that porn is protected by the first amendment.

Stop destroying stupid excuses please, it makes the "censorship" lobby look foolish. In the real world Freedom of Speech is far wider than just the US and protects us. So those who use this excuse please stop.

We could wait for an "International treaty agreement." I feel hell will freeze over first. Because even if the EU and US mange to agree, Russia will become a haven for piracy and the effect will be little in the fight.

Mean time countries can impose their own laws in their own countries. Lie making it illegal to do business with pirates. Like processing, advertising, hosting, affiliating, etc. Stretch DMCA to a level where Paypal is liable and even VISA. It needs to be determined on more than an email from an individual, so make it a recorded delivery letter from a lawyer. Then a court battle. The music and film industry are likely to take on Paypal to curb this problem.

Still will it stop a non US processing company to step in and take over the processing? So it has to go higher than just PayPal to be really effective.

Many here will not like any idea of any measures to curb piracy and think of any excuse to use. That really makes me think whether their income's are involved. Who knows? I do know a piracy site that a sponsor claims were affiliates, might not be. They are selling advertising space. Not affiliates.

[porno jew]

stop making this fucking thread. the end.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Not anymore you don't. They fired you.

I have proof of your lying about removing an affiliates link.

This thread is about all the people claiming SOPA wasn't needed and the MU case proved that. Seems they might be wrong.

I suggest you give it up and go find a new job.

I never lied, that's not how I do things.

I am going to start staying out of these threads, counter productive arguing with people about US policy that live in other countries and don't have a clue. People that have no other path but to post thread after thread of their disatifaction over policy in other countries not their own is lunacy.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I never lied, that's not how I do things.

I am going to start staying out of these threads, counter productive arguing with people about US policy that live in other countries and don't have a clue. People that have no other path but to post thread after thread of their disatifaction over policy in other countries not their own is lunacy.

Well to be honest, I don't think you lied about buying ads and pop ups. It wasn't your job. However people you said were affiliates sending you free traffic because they wouldn't take down the advert, were selling adverts by the month.

I suggest you put the past behind you and worry about your future. Unlike me you need to earn a living, I can afford to to post thread after thread.