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OY · 03-19-2012, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Yeah....they've been talking on the news about all the crazy solar activity that's been going on and how it affected satellites and cell phones a week ago, etc.

But all the "climate change" scientists and activists don't even mention that. Seems to me that probably has a lot more to do with our climate than anything we are doing.

Hell, who knows...2 years ago I took the family to San Diego the second week of June and got a nice room oceanside on Pacific Beach. I thought we were going to be spending a week playing in the water and soaking up the sun. Instead we froze our asses off with the temps in the low 60's all week.

The next week when we left the temps were back in the high 80's like they should have been. Go figure.

In SoCal we have something called June Gloom - June is one of the coldest of the 12 months we have here... Tons of foggy days by the coast. Good to know before booking your vacation here.

itx · 03-19-2012, 04:59 AM

Something related to HAARP?

Fletch XXX · 03-19-2012, 05:09 AM

weather is just aboiut right here in nola.

Matyko · 03-19-2012, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Harmon

Global warming is a myth.

no, it isn't.

PR_Glen · 03-19-2012, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

yes it looks like this summer will be one of the hottest on record. no idea why.

because weather cycles are supposed to be studied in at least 500 year intervals, not 5.. so all data is worthless until we get numbers that go that far back.

a brief look at history will show you times of bitter cold in summer months and terrible heat and drought in winter months. No meteorologist data though so we base our numbers on what? the last 100 years? Not good enough...

slapass · 03-19-2012, 06:28 AM

This is so crazy. The USA is the only place you can go in a room with relatively rational people and have them say global warming is a myth.

Take a closed environment and add CO2. It heats up. The earth is technically a closed environment even though it is a super complicated one. We are releasing CO2 into the atmosphere. We can measure this. There is more then there was. Why wouldn't we be heating up? Other there other influences? sure but we do not control those as easily. Constant distance to the sun or solar flares are beyond us and natural. The CO2 is a man-made phenomenon.

Matyko · 03-19-2012, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

because weather cycles are supposed to be studied in at least 500 year intervals, not 5.. so all data is worthless until we get numbers that go that far back.

a brief look at history will show you times of bitter cold in summer months and terrible heat and drought in winter months. No meteorologist data though so we base our numbers on what? the last 100 years? Not good enough...

No need to have 100-500-etc years of data to see wtf. we have the air pollution / air component data for the recent decades and this is perfectly enough to see what we did to the air. glass-house gas percentage is high and its bad.

most of you don't know that its NOT about it will be higher/lower temperature at certain/all places, the main effect of this is the change of classic/constant 'streams' like the Gulf Stream: if the sensitive system of these are changing because of minor climate changes than it Will result in a major change in Earth's climate.

The other thing is that the debate is not about if there is a climate change or not. The question is if human activity in last decades matter or not. The biggest polluters like China say the climate change is independent from what we did/what we do.

Sorry if I am not using the proper phrases in the sentences above, most of these terms i only know in hungarian :P

MaDalton · 03-19-2012, 06:44 AM

what i dont get is that saving energy, oil, developing green energy etc. seems to be such a horrible thing to many people. it's like telling catholics to become satanists it seems to me sometimes.

global warming or not - isnt it a good thing to use our resources more efficiently and have a cleaner environment?

xholly · 03-19-2012, 07:21 AM

The laymans distrust of science and obvious lack of understanding of the scientific method and the peer review process is getting beyond a joke these days. To the point where the average anti authority type prefers to backup big business and reckless multi billion dollar oil companies rather than the average scientist working day in and out in the field who are by and large in agreement on the issue.

Science needs a PR manager as good as the ones big business and the industries relying on the polluting the environment have.

xholly · 03-19-2012, 07:23 AM

ADG more pics please! they always sum it up

RebelR · 03-19-2012, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Yeah....they've been talking on the news about all the crazy solar activity that's been going on and how it affected satellites and cell phones a week ago, etc.

But all the "climate change" scientists and activists don't even mention that. Seems to me that probably has a lot more to do with our climate than anything we are doing.

Hell, who knows...2 years ago I took the family to San Diego the second week of June and got a nice room oceanside on Pacific Beach. I thought we were going to be spending a week playing in the water and soaking up the sun. Instead we froze our asses off with the temps in the low 60's all week.

The next week when we left the temps were back in the high 80's like they should have been. Go figure.

That's what bothers me about scientists and researchers. They get a hypothesis, and then get a funding to prove that their hypothesis is correct, if they don't get some sort of tangible result, the grant money and funding dries up. So it is in their best interest, no matter how off base they are, not to prove themselves out of a job.

Tom_PM · 03-19-2012, 07:42 AM

Some people just have preconceived notions. Picking any data out and declaring it proof of this or that.

Yesterday I read a ladies blog about how 2 yrs ago she bought chicken breast for $1 a pound and now it's $2! Her conclusion was that this inflation is Obamas fault. Hated to break it to her that my local store has chicken breasts for 89 cents a pound and wondered if she would post that the price drop was to Obamas credit.

Yesterday was record warm temps here, it reached 80 degrees and the average temp is 45 - 50. Who can say, but it seems we've been reading and seeing this pattern for the past 10 years or so. Maybe it's time to call it an apparent trend even if it proves nothing.

xholly · 03-19-2012, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Science is no different than religion....all based on a belief system, when it comes to finding the greater truth- science and religion should be thrown out the window. Both man made and government sponsored

I find kids love this one, just for you Johnny. Not too load though, don't upset your parents.

raymor · 03-19-2012, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill8

But the suns heat energy falling on the planet isn't changing. We measure that, and take it into account in the models. We have been measuring solar output since the 1800s, as I understand it, and our measurements over the last century are well known, commonly available, and absolutely clear - the sun's output has not increased, the amount of insolation falling on the earth has not increased. The sun has been consistent, it is not changing, and the orbit of the earth is not changing in any unusual or rapid way.
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FYI, the other planets (with no humans) are also warming, though not as fast as the earth. Unless mars has martians burning fossil fuels, the sun IS cycling and changing. That accounts for about half of the change measured on earth.

The mars data was measured and compiled by astronomers looking to learn about mars. The earth data was measured and compiled by people paid to "prove" that global warming is an emergency. One would expect their results would be biased toward what their sponsors want. If the measurements were objective, there might be a small difference between earth and mars, or there might be no difference.

2MuchMark · 03-19-2012, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

because weather cycles are supposed to be studied in at least 500 year intervals, not 5.. so all data is worthless until we get numbers that go that far back.

a brief look at history will show you times of bitter cold in summer months and terrible heat and drought in winter months. No meteorologist data though so we base our numbers on what? the last 100 years? Not good enough...

Scientists can tell things such as temperature, humity, cloud cover etc, by examining old tree rings. http://www.priweb.org/globalchange/c...cc/scc_01.html

And again, Weather is not climate. Just because we have a hotter than normal summer or colder than usual winter is not an argument for or against climate change. Weather is local, climate is global. What scientists are concerned about is the global average temperature. Just a couple of degrees higher will make a big difference.

2MuchMark · 03-19-2012, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by raymor

FYI, the other planets (with no humans) are also warming, though not as fast as the earth. Unless mars has martians burning fossil fuels, the sun IS cycling and changing. That accounts for about half of the change measured on earth.

The mars data was measured and compiled by astronomers looking to learn about mars. The earth data was measured and compiled by people paid to "prove" that global warming is an emergency. One would expect their results would be biased toward what their sponsors want. If the measurements were objective, there might be a small difference between earth and mars, or there might be no difference.

Here's the thing that I don't get. Even if Mars or other planets are warming up, is that a reason to ignore warnings about the earth's CO2 and continue to burn and pollute?

Robbie · 03-19-2012, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass

The CO2 is a man-made phenomenon.

Yeah the 29 gigatons that we put in the atmosphere is of course man made. But the 750 gigatons that are produced by NATURE are not.

Robbie · 03-19-2012, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by **********

Weather is local, climate is global.

I have to say though...the meteorologists that I see on the news are always showing GLOBAL patterns (such as jet streams for instance) that cause the "local" weather.

Seems to me that some of this debate has people saying that everything we do locally affects the entire world, but then want to talk out the other side and say that one doesn't have anything to do with the other.

Can't have it both ways.

MattPIVO · 03-19-2012, 10:50 AM

It's much warmer this year in New York and I don't mind it for a second. If I want the snow for skiing I would much rather drive/fly to it than worry about the snow.

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slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	This is so crazy. The USA is the only place you can go in a room with relatively rational people and have them say global warming is a myth. Take a closed environment and add CO2. It heats up. The earth is technically a closed environment even though it is a super complicated one. We are releasing CO2 into the atmosphere. We can measure this. There is more then there was. Why wouldn't we be heating up? Other there other influences? sure but we do not control those as easily. Constant distance to the sun or solar flares are beyond us and natural. The CO2 is a man-made phenomenon.

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xholly Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 817	The laymans distrust of science and obvious lack of understanding of the scientific method and the peer review process is getting beyond a joke these days. To the point where the average anti authority type prefers to backup big business and reckless multi billion dollar oil companies rather than the average scientist working day in and out in the field who are by and large in agreement on the issue. Science needs a PR manager as good as the ones big business and the industries relying on the polluting the environment have.

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xholly Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 817	ADG more pics please! they always sum it up