wehateporn

One way or another, they certainly see us as something less than them

A bit like where this Scientist believes it will go...

"Evolutionary theorist Oliver Curry of the London School of Economics expects a genetic upper class and a dim-witted underclass to emerge. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6057734.stm

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johnny literally thinks aliens from the hollow earth run the planet. that is the extent of his rationality and intelligence.

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one simple example. how did we get to the moon?

Brujah

I was just about to agree to myself with something JohnnyClips said, and then... he made a few more posts and I came to my senses.

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i don't "believe" anything. believing is for poor deluded simpletons like you.

Brujah

I quoted the post I was going to agree with, yes, this same one you're ranting and repeating. Then, I came to my senses after you went off on the jewish alien conspiracy again.

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Can we get a list of what JohnnyClips believes in a cliff notes format of some type?

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Brujah

What are they?

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Brujah

Do you believe they are aliens?

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Brujah

Your avoidance is telling. Obviously you know what you think they are, but you realize it sounds a little crazy even for you so you are keeping it to yourself in this instance. You're using the defense that you don't know for sure so you can't really say, yet most of the "conspiracy" related topics you don't have a problem stating opinions on are of the same nature in that you don't know for sure, you have no real proof. You're exactly like the "sheep" you complain about in that you believe what you want to believe, and there's no room to be open-minded or consider alternative explanations.

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johnny what private business got us to the moon?

Bill8

As you correctly intuit, it's a planetary problem, and solving it would require a planetary government.

And yes, it does mean the end of the fossil carbon secret world government. So. pretty much the end of your religion.

Thats why nothing can be done.

It's a planetary intelligence test, and we have failed.

I don't care, I'll be dead. But, before I die, assuming I live to the same age as my father, I'll get to see wether or not the models look to have been accurate.

If they prove to have been accurate, it's going to be one hell of a murder party.

I hope they were not accurate, but then. I'm not a city person, I'm a country boy, I happen to love nature, so I would just as soon that the science turns out to be wrong.

But, it won't have been wrong because of the sun, or whatever other foolish theory your religion teaches. It will have been wrong because we weren't smart enogh to see the whole pattern, and something like increased cloud cover and storms cools the surface.

wehateporn

Onto the weird and wonderful world of aliens or something different being involved with our planet. While it's easy to write this things off, it would be incredibly difficult to prove conclusively that there is no other involvement. Most would believe that there isn't, but at the same time it would be incredibly difficult to know 100% for certain that there is not.

It's fair to say that one believes it's unlikely, but to say that we know for certain is overconfident. Avatar is a good fictional example of how it could happen. We should at least try to keep our minds open, even if it's just a little bit.

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It's being used as a vehicle for the elite to grab more power and control, on a larger scale than ever before. They can fund whatever they like, they can make money out of thin air. Those who work in Climate Change have to prove that Climate Change exists to continue receiving the money; if they don't prove it the money will go to others. Like the Club of Rome suggested and planned the only way to unite the nations was to find an outside enemy that could be seen as a threat to all nations, then they can put their taxes in place for a world government, all under the guise of saving the planet.

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Bill8

Arguing with religious belief is a dead end and a waste of time. Still...

Do you understand greenhouse gas theory? Yes, the majority of heat energy that drives the heat engine of the climate comes from the sun.

But the suns heat energy falling on the planet isn't changing. We measure that, and take it into account in the models. We have been measuring solar output since the 1800s, as I understand it, and our measurements over the last century are well known, commonly available, and absolutely clear - the sun's output has not increased, the amount of insolation falling on the earth has not increased. The sun has been consistent, it is not changing, and the orbit of the earth is not changing in any unusual or rapid way.

But, since we started burning larger and larger amounts of fossil carbon, a tiny percentage less heat energy from the sun can escape every year. The surface of the planet is slowly warming, and millions of measurements collected over the planet seem to be confirming this slow increase of average temperature.

So yes, the sun is the source of the heat - but what has changed in not the sun, but the amount of carbon dioxide. methane, and other greenshouses gases in the upper atmosphere.

Saying it's the sun is like saying it wasn't the fall that killed someone who jumped off the building, it was gravity. While true, it's meaningless, and inherently deceptive.

Bill8

Your religious beliefs are not my concern.

But, you are a fool. Someday you may learn how to actually do research and think for yourself, but I don't expect it.

You do however understand that global warming means the end of the civilization we know.

We will know more in 20 years - and then the killing starts.

wehateporn

Former Thatcher adviser Lord Monckton describes what's going on

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Bill8

What part of "we can't do anything about it" don't you understand?

But, now you are just whining like an hysterical bitch. Get a hold of yourself, stop being hysterical.

I understand, you have your religious beliefs, and this is the most terrifying thing that could possibly happen. Nuclear war looks grandmotherly kind by comparison.

wehateporn

No religion over here...be on watch for propaganda disguised as science, always follow the money. The Globalist Banker's are just up to their usual tricks. I'd recommend the Lord Monckton videos above

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Bill8

Yes, in some places it's getting warmer, in some colder, exactly as the models predict.

WEATHER IS NOT CLIMATE. That's the principle.

You could start by trying to understand the Koch brothers funded study that produced exactly the opposite results that the oil companies hoped. The one that checked the integrity of measuring station data, tried to prove that it was an urban heat iosland effect, and instead proved that it wasn't, that the averaged data was consisitently accurate, and if anything that warming had been understated.

The problem is, if I give you the actual study website, you cant understand it, because it's written in scientific language and protocol. And NEWS is not science.

It was called as I recall the Berkely Earth Surface Tempurature project. Here's the wiki, not that wikis can ever be trusted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkele...ce_Temperature Just type Berkely Earth Surface Tempurature into google and you can check for yourself - but remember, news is not science, you must NEVER trust any news source to report science accurately.

How can I possibly convey to you how to study climatology as a layman here on GFY. I read voraciously - but what i read are the science journals and websites, they are not the kind of thing that holds your hand and offers you the information predigested.

Pick any one point, and I'll do my best to show you some data sources.

Robbie

Bill...I actually read that TIME magazine when it came out. Just like the scientists of today are being used as sources for the new "climate change" stories in the news media...the scientists in the 1970's and early 1980's were being used as the source for that story.

I'm telling you that YES there was a big uproar all through the 1970's and into the 1980's and it was being reported on the all the news (ABC, CBS, NBC, and early CNN) that climate scientists were predicting another Ice Age.

You can think whatever you like. But I was there and read it and saw it...and laughed at the complete 180 that scientists did a couple of decades later.

All I'm trying to point out is that the scientists "prove" whatever their financial backers tell them to prove. And that there are billions of dollars at stake to promote climate change.

IF you don't think so...that's cool. But you look like a guy with blinders on to me.

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Bill8

Dude, everything you say sounds like fanaticism to me.

You never say ANYTHING scientific, it's all conspiracy this and conspiracy that.

It's pointless to argue with fanatical belief, especially one rejects science.

Globalist barkers, usual tricks - what does any of that noise have to do with science?

By my standards you are hysterical, completely lost in an emotional haze of hatred and beliefs and obsessions about conspiacy.

And I'm sure it's just a coincidence that all this is exactly what fox news wants you to believe. A conveinient accident.

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Bill8

Among scientists and climatologists it's still global warming, always has been, always will be.

I myslef reject the term climate change. It's accurate enough, and I understand why they started calling it that, but the accurate and accepted term is global warming.

It's unfortunate that foolish people get the wrong impression from the term global warming, but, the world is full of fools, nothing can be done about that.

wehateporn

You've got it wrong, it can all be backed up. I certainly don't watch the mainstream news channels. I'm sure Fox News wouldn't be quoting the Club of Rome, so you're quite confused on that, perhaps you should have a read of the 1992 Club of Rome report yourself and think carefully about what it means.

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Bill8

Now you are just talking like a child.

You don't need to measure every part of the planet to know the average temperature. This is basic math and statistics. It's a silly argument, it makes no sense.

That's like saying I have to take the temperature of every cell in my body to know wether I have a real fever or not.

I am not even sure how to respond to an argument like it's warmer when the sun is out. I assume you are smart enough to know that makes no sense, does not apply, and makes you look like a kid.

I'm sure where you come from that goes over like gangbusters. But I note that you don't even make an attempt to talk about the science.

Bill8

I really don't care about your political beleifs, I think science is more interesting.

But go ahead, show me the report. Lets see what it means. Lets see what it says.

Bill8

If true, it shoudl be trivial to find soem actual science articles that support your position.

Want to try? I'll give you the chance.

Yes, I remember all those news items too - but NEWS IS NOT SCIENCE, for christs sake. If news is science, then your side is in fucking trouble, because there is NO NEWS that supports your beliefs these days. I've been interested in science since I was a kid, I have been reading thsi shit all my life, I remember all those articles too - and they were just news then, not science. Back then people were amazed to realize that we were in an interglacial that had lasted 15k years, and to discover from the geology that the average period of interglacials was 10k years, so they were all "An ICEAGE is coming" - but that is NOT what the scientific consensus was.

Explain my blinders to me. Because I could make exactly the same statement about you - except I happen to know what the actual science says.

What am I blind about?

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Bill8

BTW, if you do manage to find a few of the articles from the small minority of scientists who wrote articles about the possibility of the end of the interglacial, thsi is what they are going to say.

First, the article authors will all be geologists - there wasn't really a discipline of climatology at the time, the only people talking about cooling and warming were geologists and archaeologists and paleontologists.

Second, the articles will talk about the relatively recent discovery of the time scale of glacial and interglacial periods, which had really just been measured at that point by the relatively new technology of core sampling. combined with carbon dating, which establish the trie time frame of glaciations.

Third, the articles will note that we were already into the 15th millenia of interglacial, and that the last series of interglacials, for about 600k years, had lasted an average of 10k years. Therefore, we were OVERDUE for an ice age.

And, finally, they will all say...

Fourth, that while we were technically overdue, there was no sign of an ice age, and measurements showed if anything a continuing warming trend.

This was in the 70s - warming was noticeable even then, altho we had not yet really developed any global warming theory above the simplest of models, and climatology was not a seperate disciplione yet.

Thats what I predict they will say. Prove me wrong.

I leave out the peer review part, in which the majority of geologists basically said, "don't be hysterical, there is no evidence for a returning ice age'.

Because THERE WAS NO CONSENSUS. It was just a dramatic theory that got a lot of news coverage - because it's dramatic, not because scientists thought much of it as a model.

wehateporn

These are not political beliefs, they are facts, follow the money, read what the plans from the UN Think Tank were back in 1992. Look up the history of the Rothschilds and see if you still feel they're here to save the planet.

You have to understand that science can be BS and can be used for political purposes. The UN/Bankers have hijacked the Green movement and they are using it as a vehicle to grab power, sneaking in through the back door, making us agree to give away powers that we never would have agreed to if we hadn't been scammed.

Here's the full Club of Rome Report http://www.scribd.com/doc/13088153/C...bal-Revolution - The name The First Global Revolution gives away what it's about; putting the United Nations in control of the planet, a world government, the Globalist Bankers in complete control.

"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. "

See the quote above..."In searching for a new enemy to unite us"...i.e. they were searching for anything to scam us with, it didn't have to be global warming, they just needed to put themselves in charge because they're control freaks. Then it goes onto say "we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill" They decided that global warming would be a good excuse. For their world government (United Nations) to work they need taxes in place to fund it, they needed a way to scam us into accepting them, global warming is the scam to 'unite us'.

Notice at the end of this quote how they say it doesn't matter if the 'outside enemy' has been 'invented'. i.e. Global Warming has only been invented for the purpose of taxes that pay for the UN.


A couple of more telling quotes, though not from the same report.

“It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.”
- Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace

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Bill8

Thanks, but I wanted to see how quickly he could deliver it. I'm a google wiz, and had already found it. And the wiki plus tons of commentary.

But since you are interested, how quickly can you track down the quotes he quotes, so we can examine their context.

I remember reading this some years ago, in the print version. I thought it all seemed fairly prosaic and common sense.

He's not wrong, global warming does mean a planetary government. He's just hysterical to fear a planetary government.

He is also not wrong in understanding that it means the end of american empire, our way of life, and the secret carbon government.

Overload

hmm, so you think 31 BILLION TONS of CO² per year has ZERO effect? keep dreaming

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the club of rome has nothing to do with the UN. as usual you get the most basic of facts wrong. you distort them until they confirm to your worldview.

your whole worldview is made of "facts" such as these.

wehateporn

Not sure if you're being serious?

Look into the UN agency UNESCO, the Club of Rome receive funding from them (and others). The Club of Rome has some of the most senior UN officials as their 'Thinkers'

It effectively the UN asking the UN for advice

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Bill8

My solution? There is none. We prepare for the worst. Billions die. Maybe all.

We are not smart enough to have a solution.

This however is what will happen.

We will do nothing for another decade. Liquid fossil carbon fuels will become at forst significantly then drastically more expensive, and the planets economy will suffer. because we are burning the worst remnants of the petroleum, carbon output will increase dramatically.

By the end of the decade the weather will get noticeably worse on most parts of the planet as the climate heat engine starts to go into chaotic perturbation. Starvation, hugely increased costs, economic stresses, patchwork collapse of the economy is various areas, as our civilization starts to contract and, if we are lucky, is resilient enough to transform as it contracts.

many of us will be dumped by the economy, as unneeded workers.

Start of 2022 - people start getting pissed - the blame decade begins, but we still do nothing to slow carbon emissions, guaranteeing misery for the next 5 decades, and probably megadeath for the following 5. The blame decade will be characterised by water wars and civil wars and resource wars and religious wars.

Start of 2032 - at this point we wil start to have an idea of what the climate curve will look like - will the heatup be slow or fast, basically. Maybe we wlll start seriously talking about forming a planetary government, which is the only thing that has any chance at all of saving civilization as we know it.

But we will fail to form a planetary government. If we are lucky the multidecadal currents will speed up and we get a breather. I hope so.

2042 - Wars. Wars. Wars, the begining of the human dieback. We have burned most of the liquids and tars and the best coal - and cannot stop ourselves from starting to burn the bad coal. The planet will seperate into regions based on remaining fossil carbon reserves, with some regions doing their best with renewables, probably middle to southern europe, which is blessed by not having really significant fossil carbon holdings.

Thats about as far out as it makes sense to project it.

I'm looking forward to the blame decade. Should be one hell of a show.

wehateporn

I haven't got a problem with planetary government, but I wouldn't want Hitler in charge of it, the globalist banking families are well known to have funded the Nazis. Planetary government could be amazing with the right people in charge, but not these heartless SOB's

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post proof they are funded by the UN.

so they have some overlapping members with the UN. does not mean they are part of the UN.

Robbie

Bill8 , I guess there is no debate with you. You obviously fancy yourself as much more intelligent than everyone else.
Think what you will. It's a free country.

I wish you the best in life and hope that mega-intellect of yours is making you a good living here in the "end of times" that you are so sure is being caused by human beings changing the climate.

Again, I say that you are simply ignoring HUMAN nature. There is money on both "sides" to be made...money in the billions: fossil fuel on one side, "green" energy on the other. And scientists are not any different than other people...they want to pay the rent, they want access to all the latest technological (expensive) tools...they will say whatever they are paid to say. That is what I meant by you having "blinders" on.

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Bill8

You are mistaken and hysterical to model it that way, but because you are afraid to study the actual science, there is nothing to be done.

What you don't seem to include in any of your conspiracy theories is that we are already under the rule of a secret planetary government.

But, your fears are not really my business, I already know and accept that your kind will win, and you will seal our doom. We are too stupid to deal with a problem of this time scale.

All because you let the masters tell you what to believe, and are afraid to actually stidy the science for yourself.

Too bad, so sad.

Bill8

So you wont even try to find any articles?

Why are you afraid to look?

I don't talk about the money to be made, thats not my concern, I aint gonna be making any of that money.

I talk about the science. You make science claims I say are false. It should be easy to prove me wrong.

wehateporn

It's on their official website that they receive money from UN agency UNESCO (in the FAQ)

"Who supports the Club of Rome financially?" - "the Club of Rome seeks contributions and partnership arrangements "

"Today, the Club works in partnership with organisations such as UNESCO, OECD, Globe International and a broad range of global and regional NGOs."

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Bill8

When I drop this line into the scribd search of that doc "In searching for a new enemy to unite us" - I get no results.

Do you have a page number? Where are you getting these quotes from?

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So, you would prefer the oil companies be in charge of the planet, as opposed to the bankers?

Too late dude, the oil companies AND the bankers are already in charge. Nation-states do what they are told to do. The war is over, we all lost, none of us has any say.

And you are still afraid to look at the science for yourself.

wehateporn

Once upon a time the Nazis employed a pseudo-scientific basis for racially discriminating against the Jews. Many people believed it, after all they were told it was 'Science'.

One cannot understand what's going on by only focusing on so-called 'Science', one has to look at the politics site and who funded it; the big picture. One needs to find the agenda; the 'Science' is just a tool for bringing about the desired changes.

Climate Change is an easy way for a scientist to make big money, as the Bankers are funding it.

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search shows that quote on page 134.

wehateporn

The oil companies and the bankers are the same thing by the way, in that the Bankers own the oil companies

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Robbie

I did find an article. The one in Time Magazine. But you said you didn't want a news article. You wanted scientific papers.

And unfortunately the internet didn't exist in the 1970's lol
So I'm guessing that the scientists who made that stupid prediction haven't been exactly chomping at the bit to put those papers up online anytime soon.

Again...all I'm saying is that HUMAN NATURE comes into play here. You are ignoring it.

My guess is that the scientific community would rather we all forget that they once thought humans were bringing on an ice age. That's human nature...it's an embarrassing moment for them.

Just like in the last decade....they moved away from calling it "Global Warming" to calling it "Climate Change". So now, no matter what happens they can claim they are "right".

And no, I'm not arguing against science. I just believe that money and human nature will trump science when it comes to what the general public (me and you) are being told.

That's why you might not be making the kind of money you should in this world. You have on blinders. And I don't mean any offense by that. I just mean that if you are only taking into account the reports you are reading...and NOT taking into account what history has shown with scientific studies and how they are manipulated and used...then you are not seeing the big picture.

In pro wrestling you would be known as a "mark" and you are being "worked".

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