anti acta sentiment gives pirate party 4 seats in German elections - GoFuckYourself.com

gideongallery · 03-26-2012, 08:06 PM

http://www.infosecurity-magazine.com...man-elections/

spunky99 · 03-26-2012, 08:27 PM

they won 4 out of 51 seats... *yawn*

gideongallery · 03-27-2012, 04:24 AM

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they won 4 out of 51 seats... *yawn*

1 is enough to stop secret trade agreements

oops i leaked the trade documentation that i legally had access to because i am a member of Parliament to the public.

They were elected on a platform of transparency so excluding them constitutes deliberately violating the will of the people.

AdultKing · 03-27-2012, 04:29 AM

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1 is enough to stop secret trade agreements

Nothing stops this except reality, something you are entirely removed from.

Back bench Parliamentarians don't have access to secret trade agreements, only ministers of the realm do and these 4 parliamentarians will not be in the ministry.

Single issue crackpots get elected to parliaments around the world all the time. The only news in this story is that you think it's news.

MaDalton · 03-27-2012, 04:31 AM

they are a bunch of annoying nerds that in 1-2 years will have either adopted to the political system or will have disappeared again. also within their "party" convicted pedofiles and neonazis have been outed already

right now they profit from being new and "against" the current party system. but that will wear off and then we will see how much political power they can really develop

gideongallery · 03-27-2012, 07:56 AM

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Nothing stops this except reality, something you are entirely removed from.

Back bench Parliamentarians don't have access to secret trade agreements, only ministers of the realm do and these 4 parliamentarians will not be in the ministry.

Single issue crackpots get elected to parliaments around the world all the time. The only news in this story is that you think it's news.

except that not what happened with acta, that bill was attempted to sneak by/fast tracked until pirate party members used parliamentary procedures to stall (demanding full reading ...) which simultaneously leaking the bill to the public.

If they hadn't done that the bill would have been fast tracked (like it was in many countries) and the uproar that ultimately stopped the bill would never have been effective (because the bill would have already been established into law).

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 03-27-2012, 08:11 AM

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they are a bunch of annoying nerds that in 1-2 years will have either adopted to the political system or will have disappeared again. also within their "party" convicted pedofiles and neonazis have been outed already

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Germany?s upstart Pirate Party is fighthaing off accuhasahations that right-wing extremhaists may have infilhatrated its ranks, folhalowhaing reports that at least two promihanent memhabers once belonged to the far-right National Demohacharahatic Party.

Valentin Seipt, a Pirate Party dishatrict chairhaman in Freishaing, Bavaria resigned earhalier this week after the accuhasahation emerged. Matthias Bahhaner, who is a Pirate Party dishatrict counhacil memhaber in Greifhaswald, Mecklenburg-Western Pomerahania is still in his posihation, although the party has said it will dishacuss the issue this month.

The revhaehalahations are conhatrohaverhasial because the NPD is widely seen as a racist party suphaporthaing extreme right-wing stances.

In conhatrast, the Pirate Party, which recently made big inroads in Berlin?s state elechations and is winhaning increashaing suphaport nationhawide, porhatrays itself as a party based on freehadom and the prohatechation of civil rights. Recent polls have shown surghaing fighaures, with up to nine perhacent of Gerhamans suphaporthaing the Pirates.

Accordhaing to the Südhadeutsche Zeitung newshapahaper, Seipt was an NPD memhaber from at least 2007 to 2009 and was, for a time, a deputy dishatrict chairhaman for the NPD.

DISCUSSION COMMENTS FOR ?NAZIS INFILTRATING GERMANY?S PIRATE PARTY?

Why am I not surhaprised? The fashacists will try to subhavert & ruin any movehament they touch if they think it?ll benhaehafit them somehahow.

There are, of course, plenty of decent ?Pirates? out there, but why can?t more of them speak out, and admit that they?ve got a probhalem? Same thing has haphapened with Libhaerhatarhaihaanhaism and the New Age movehament as well, and many othhaers I can think of.

Nice crowd that Gideon supports...

ADG

pimpmaster9000 · 03-27-2012, 08:31 AM

PIRACY IS SAVED!

The net will never change!

Pirate profits will last for ever!

Oh wait...are you saying some scumbag EMO thief just got elected to parliament??? You are seriously relying on this piece of shit to be a "man of principles"??

This thief/EMO/File sharer guy is obviously un-corrupt-able

as are ALL politicians!!!!!

WOW what a stunning victory for piracy

"Pirate party" this just screams integrity and non - corrupt -a - billity

SHiiiiiiiit next thing you know they will elect kim.com for persident of the EU

gideon gideon you are truly desperate LOL....

MaDalton · 03-27-2012, 09:07 AM

http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/FAQ_J%C3%B6rg_Tauss

use google translate...

he was "investigating and collecting evidence" - but admitted the possession of cp

that party attracts all kinds of scum and amateurs at the moment, only if they manage to mature and build democratic structures they might be able to survive.

AdultKing · 03-27-2012, 11:25 AM

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except that not what happened with acta, that bill was attempted to sneak by/fast tracked until pirate party members used parliamentary procedures to stall (demanding full reading ...) which simultaneously leaking the bill to the public..

You are quite the retard aren't you ?

The bill was freely available to anyone who obtained a copy of the Parliamentary record at the time it was released, it's just that nobody cared until the Pirate party made a big deal out of it.

In countries like Australia the full text of the agreement was published by the Government in Hansard, through the ordinary public reporting of Parliamentary sittings and Senate committee hearings.

You cant leak what's already established onto the public record.

The thing I find odd about you Gideon, is that you spend all this time trying to find things to justify and rationalize copyright theft by calling it other things, or pointing to weaknesses in copyright legislation. However you have never, ever managed to justify your position, you've never once convinced anyone of anything.

Do you know why that is ? It's because your arguments are weak as piss and you don't have a clue.

gideongallery · 03-27-2012, 12:26 PM

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You are quite the retard aren't you ?

The bill was freely available to anyone who obtained a copy of the Parliamentary record at the time it was released, it's just that nobody cared until the Pirate party made a big deal out of it.

so now your trying to argue that no one cared about bill that was so hated that millions stormed the streets to protest it.

The parliamentary record is taken when the bill is being voted on and debated in the parliment. By that time it too late. The elected officials are given the bill in final form much earlier then that so they can review it. They are given early drafts in advance so their input can be taken.

If we had waited until the parlamentary record to get the bill it would have been too late.

That the point. and you just made it for me.

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In countries like Australia the full text of the agreement was published by the Government in Hansard, through the ordinary public reporting of Parliamentary sittings and Senate committee hearings.

You cant leak what's already established onto the public record.

sure you can the bill is given to the representatives before the hearing are heard and recorded so they have time to review, get legal advice, etc before voting on it. Are you really so stupid as to believe that laws are sprung on the elected officals within the parliamentary debate. That they are given no time to prepare, and they vote blind.

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The thing I find odd about you Gideon, is that you spend all this time trying to find things to justify and rationalize copyright theft by calling it other things, or pointing to weaknesses in copyright legislation. However you have never, ever managed to justify your position, you've never once convinced anyone of anything.

Do you know why that is ? It's because your arguments are weak as piss and you don't have a clue.

yeah we can't all have winning arguments like

politicians vote blind on every law that passed

and

no one cared about a law that had millions of people protesting in the street when they were informed of it.

AdultKing · 03-27-2012, 05:58 PM

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so now your trying to argue that no one cared about bill that was so hated that millions stormed the streets to protest it.

Millions, try thousands and largely disaffected thousands who included CP traders, neo nazis and socialist rabble rousers. Not really a representative portion of the population no matter how you try to spin it. It certainly was no where near millions, wasn't even in the hundreds of thousands, it was thousands. More people protested against the release of Passion of the Christ in cinemas.

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The parliamentary record is taken when the bill is being voted on and debated in the parliment. By that time it too late. The elected officials are given the bill in final form much earlier then that so they can review it. They are given early drafts in advance so their input can be taken.

COUGH BULLSHIT. The Parliamentary record documents the first, second or third readings of a bill and also includes any bills which go to committee as ACTA did. Anyone who wanted to read it could have.

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If we had waited until the parlamentary record to get the bill it would have been too late.

That the point. and you just made it for me.

WE ? Gideon, the most you have ever done for your cause is come to troll GFY, even then you fail. All you do is make stuff up and post it as fact, it's really rather pathetic to see you pushing this dead horse around.

Hopefully when you grow up you'll get a life rather than this pointless campaign of self justification on GFY.

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sure you can the bill is given to the representatives before the hearing are heard and recorded so they have time to review, get legal advice, etc before voting on it. Are you really so stupid as to believe that laws are sprung on the elected officals within the parliamentary debate. That they are given no time to prepare, and they vote blind.
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You know what ? In most countries that's exactly what happens, bills are presented to the Parliament by the sponsoring Minister and then read, voted on etc by the parliamentary members. It all happens during the parliamentary session (ie: sitting period). Usually the bills are made available in what's called the first reading. Not where someone actually reads out the bill but where the bill is placed onto the public record for consideration by parliamentarians.

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no one cared about a law that had millions of people protesting in the street when they were informed of it.

I love you little fantasy land, millions ? read above it was not millions, it wasn't even hundreds of thousands, it was thousands.

Are you autistic by any chance ? It would explain a lot about your single minded little campaign that nobody really cares about or supports.

gideongallery · 03-28-2012, 09:46 AM

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Millions, try thousands and largely disaffected thousands who included CP traders, neo nazis and socialist rabble rousers. Not really a representative portion of the population no matter how you try to spin it. It certainly was no where near millions, wasn't even in the hundreds of thousands, it was thousands. More people protested against the release of Passion of the Christ in cinemas.

So now your claiming that international trade bill that had more than 30 million dollars in lobbying money behind it was stopped by a few thousand protestors.

two cities (which counted the number of protesters) had over 15,000 and 5,000 respectively.

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January, at least 15,000 demonstrated in Kraków, 5,000 in Wrocław, with considerable protests in cities across the country

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COUGH BULLSHIT. The Parliamentary record documents the first, second or third readings of a bill and also includes any bills which go to committee as ACTA did. Anyone who wanted to read it could have.

ACTA was an international trade agreement negotiated external to the government offices and then voted into acceptance. There was no committee draft of the law because by definition it was negotiated and drafted external to any one country.

So your talking totally out of your ass there.

WE ? Gideon, the most you have ever done for your cause is come to troll GFY, even then you fail. All you do is make stuff up and post it as fact, it's really rather pathetic to see you pushing this dead horse around.

Hopefully when you grow up you'll get a life rather than this pointless campaign of self justification on GFY.

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sure you can the bill is given to the representatives before the hearing are heard and recorded so they have time to review, get legal advice, etc before voting on it. Are you really so stupid as to believe that laws are sprung on the elected officals within the parliamentary debate. That they are given no time to prepare, and they vote blind.
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You know what ? In most countries that's exactly what happens, bills are presented to the Parliament by the sponsoring Minister and then read, voted on etc by the parliamentary members. It all happens during the parliamentary session (ie: sitting period). Usually the bills are made available in what's called the first reading. Not where someone actually reads out the bill but where the bill is placed onto the public record for consideration by parliamentarians.

name one law that this happened
Just one where bill was presented by sponsoring minister, read and voted on all in the same day. Of the 1000s of times that it supposedly happened just name one.

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I love you little fantasy land, millions ? read above it was not millions, it wasn't even hundreds of thousands, it was thousands.

Are you autistic by any chance ? It would explain a lot about your single minded little campaign that nobody really cares about or supports.

so in your world all that needed to stop a bill that has over 30 million dollars of lobbying money behind it is a few thousand people going to the street.

I wish that it was that simple, none of the bullshit laws would pass if that were true.

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MaDalton I am Amazing Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39,822	they are a bunch of annoying nerds that in 1-2 years will have either adopted to the political system or will have disappeared again. also within their "party" convicted pedofiles and neonazis have been outed already right now they profit from being new and "against" the current party system. but that will wear off and then we will see how much political power they can really develop __________________ AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003 Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you! Skype: madalton02826 - Email: oltecconsult [at] gmail [dot] com

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MaDalton I am Amazing Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39,822	http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/FAQ_J%C3%B6rg_Tauss use google translate... he was "investigating and collecting evidence" - but admitted the possession of cp that party attracts all kinds of scum and amateurs at the moment, only if they manage to mature and build democratic structures they might be able to survive. __________________ AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003 Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you! Skype: madalton02826 - Email: oltecconsult [at] gmail [dot] com

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pimpmaster9000 Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 26,732	PIRACY IS SAVED! The net will never change! Pirate profits will last for ever! Oh wait...are you saying some scumbag EMO thief just got elected to parliament??? You are seriously relying on this piece of shit to be a "man of principles"?? This thief/EMO/File sharer guy is obviously un-corrupt-able as are ALL politicians!!!!! WOW what a stunning victory for piracy "Pirate party" this just screams integrity and non - corrupt -a - billity SHiiiiiiiit next thing you know they will elect kim.com for persident of the EU gideon gideon you are truly desperate LOL....